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Disable "Scrollingcache" for buttery smoothness?

Could anyone throw in a modified framework.jar for stock ROM or CM9 with scrollingcache disabled? For the Sprint galaxy nexus
Most people think the Galaxy Nexus is pretty smooth, but for us OCD type and especially us former iPhone owners know it's not 60fps smooth.. It's very stuttery due to the scrolling cache... Disabling it makes it MUCH smoother.. Like iPhone 4S smooth.
I'm not sure if this was ever done on other models of the GN but there's nothing like that available for the Sprint version yet. AOKP has that option, but so far there isn't a port, either.
Thanks!

lolwut

This thread is useless. Stop being paranoid, your phone isn't lagging.
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zeuzinn said:
Could anyone throw in a modified framework.jar for stock ROM or CM9 with scrollingcache disabled? For the Sprint galaxy nexus
Most people think the Galaxy Nexus is pretty smooth, but for us OCD type and especially us former iPhone owners know it's not 60fps smooth.. It's very stuttery due to the scrolling cache... Disabling it makes it MUCH smoother.. Like iPhone 4S smooth.
I'm not sure if this was ever done on other models of the GN but there's nothing like that available for the Sprint version yet. AOKP has that option, but so far there isn't a port, either.
Thanks!
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Understandable. I've been trying to get my nexus as smooth as my 3gs. If u want to disablr scrolling cache, u could put in your build.prop
persist.sys.scrollingcache=3

Some custom ROMs, like the latest AOKP, allow you to disable the scrolling cache. Otherwise, it's not built into the default system.

I'm a bit confused. Isn't scrollingcache supposed to help with smoothness? Why does disabling it make the system smoother?
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liquid ics has the feature

Hi,
Found this:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1411317&highlight=scrolling+cache
- Some android applications have some lag when they scroll.
I found in logcat that garbage collector is working to much when I do some scroll in application.
I googled about it and found the 'scrollingcache' function inside android making problem.
Some application developers recommend disable 'scrollingcache' in app's internal config.
But not all applications have disabled scrollingcache.
So the mod I'll do will disable the scrollingcache throughout the Android OS.
All apps will have no problem with scrollingcache.
I've had scrolling improvements with facebook,playerpro,poweramp,gallery apps , etc.
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And Google it...

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Smokeey said:
This thread is useless. Stop being paranoid, your phone isn't lagging.
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I was also an iphone 4s user and i noticed a huge difference in the smoothness of the devices, the 4s is much smoother and actually has 0 stuttering, on s3, even on the home screen if i scroll medium to fast i see the stuttering.
Your reply is useless.

zaid10 said:
I was also an iphone 4s user and i noticed a huge difference in the smoothness of the devices, the 4s is much smoother and actually has 0 stuttering, on s3, even on the home screen if i scroll medium to fast i see the stuttering.
Your reply is useless.
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Go back to your awesome iphone then. BTW, this is a Nexus forum

tgyberg said:
Go back to your awesome iphone then. BTW, this is a Nexus forum
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Stop your dam trolling the iPhone is just an example. Hell he could used a windows phone for an example.
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Lol.. the Nexus Laggy? Maybe on ICS. Slap a Jb ROM on there and you'll forget the iweight. If your still not satisfied then go back to the isheep world and live forever in apple harmony.
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That's cuz the iOS designers killed many kittens for that ability sort of like making a philosophers stone
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As I've understood it the iPhone freeze all other tasks and uses all cpu to do the scrolling...
Swype'ed on my CM10 Galaxy

I just wanted to confirm the OP. A good confirmation came from improved scrolling in Adobe Reader, which was horrid across multiple ROMs I've tried. It was a great deal faster with the newest Sprint OTA and GLaDOS 2.1 kernel.
EliWay said:
Could anyone throw in a modified framework.jar for stock ROM or CM9 with scrollingcache disabled? For the Sprint galaxy nexus
Most people think the Galaxy Nexus is pretty smooth, but for us OCD type and especially us former iPhone owners know it's not 60fps smooth.. It's very stuttery due to the scrolling cache... Disabling it makes it MUCH smoother.. Like iPhone 4S smooth.
I'm not sure if this was ever done on other models of the GN but there's nothing like that available for the Sprint version yet. AOKP has that option, but so far there isn't a port, either.
Thanks!
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Herman76 said:
As I've understood it the iPhone freeze all other tasks and uses all cpu to do the scrolling...
Swype'ed on my CM10 Galaxy
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And jelly bean does not require that for buttery goodness
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The advantange of disabling the scrolling cache is more smoothness.
But what is the advantange, when it is on?
Wgich advantage has the scrolling cache?

hate to echo some users above, but wouldn't scrollling cache set to true/on be better for smoothness?
http://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/AbsListView.html#attr_android:scrollingCache

For those curious about the scrolling cache here's a video called "the world of ListView" :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skD1fjxSRog (jump to 37:14) .
Even though it's quite an old video, there are still many questions on StackOverflow related to ListView which would get solved by just watching this video.

OP, Learn a little bit about how to use Android and Linux. And then ask your questions.
I use stock CM11 with Smitty's Kernel. OC'd CPU 1.5Ghz and GPU at 512Mhz. ZRAM enabled. And a custom 3800mAh battery for battery.
Gotta say without any additional Linux tweaks my device is flying!
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Is ICS really that good?

I don't know :/ Initially everything I read about it suggested that it used some form of hardware acceleration to make phones run much smoother. However, after seeing many speed tests between the Droid Razr and the Galaxy Nexus (both using TI OMAP4 chips, razr has GB and GN uses ICS) the Razr smokes the Nexus in every aspect. And I understand there are many other factors involved that could play into that, but in general it seems people's experiences with ICS point to it being much more bogged down then GB ever was. I don't know, anyone else have thoughts on this :/

Honestly I don't think it is that great. For me it is the eyecandy and a couple of cool new features that make ICS so interesting. But after running ICS for a while I went back to GB and was astonished by how good GB was. By no means is ICS bad, I just don't think that it is on GB level of performance.

It probably just depends on optimization and other stuffs. Processor doesn't determine everything, although it does help. I personally like the TW ICS and it's pretty smooth to me.

Ics gapps like youtube is one of the big big reasons why I stay and its just something different from gingerbread.
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EpicFlair said:
Honestly I don't think it is that great. For me it is the eyecandy and a couple of cool new features that make ICS so interesting. But after running ICS for a while I went back to GB and was astonished by how good GB was. By no means is ICS bad, I just don't think that it is on GB level of performance.
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Pretty much my experience as well. It seems they tried to make ICS very perty. And it is, it's got lots of nice transitions and neat features and a nice UI, but after going back to GB I realized how slow ICS actually is.
Perhaps that's why Google has already started Jelly bean, because they realized ICS isn't that great? :/

ICS on my phone is a minimum upgrade that works good for me but when my tab went from Honeycomb to ICS it made a much larger impact. I think ICS brings all the capable devices together and Jellybean will be the one that solidifies Android.
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We all love something new, and we all love eyecandy.
If GB is working fine for you right now, you won't gain much at all moving to ICS.

The only thing I like about ICS is that elastic scrolling of a zoomed in page works.
Samsung GB is a mess. Doubletap on any content and scroll in 1 direction, it's all over the place with no elastic snap on either X or Y axis.

pbassjunk said:
The only thing I like about ICS is that elastic scrolling of a zoomed in page works.
Samsung GB is a mess. Doubletap on any content and scroll in 1 direction, it's all over the place with no elastic snap on either X or Y axis.
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So out of all the new features, elastic scrolling is most important to you?

batting1000 said:
So out of all the new features, elastic scrolling is most important to you?
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[fwiw, I really dig MIUI. It's my go-to.]
I haven't experienced much in ICS (leaks) that has really improved much over what we already had. Gallery is better, but Gallery ICS+ is in the market for 2.3.
*shrug*

MultiLockOn said:
Pretty much my experience as well. It seems they tried to make ICS very perty. And it is, it's got lots of nice transitions and neat features and a nice UI, but after going back to GB I realized how slow ICS actually is.
Perhaps that's why Google has already started Jelly bean, because they realized ICS isn't that great? :/
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Google is on a yearly release schedule for major Android releases. Jelly Bean or whatever it'll be called was planned well before ICS was shown to the public.
And ICS on skinned devices isn't much of an upgrade, especially with the mess that is Touchwiz. This is due to the (correct) belief on Samsung's part that Android is more complicated and "ugly" than the average user wants/expects. Some of their feature enhancements are useful, but the visual is just awful. On its own, Touchwiz isn't worse than vanilla GB, but you can't use Touchwiz on its own. There are always elements of vanilla GB that show and that makes the entire thing an uncoordinated mess.
Android has reached a point where Google can work on refining the OS with small features. More importantly, ICS is the start of a unified and unique theme that can set Android visually apart from iOS and WP7 which look much better than any Android phone shipping with GB.
Of course, none of that matters since OEMs insist on skinning their phones. I had hoped Samsung would've followed HTC and toned down the skinning for the new version of Touchwiz, but that was a pipe dream considering the number of SGSII's they sold. My biggest problem with Touchwiz is that it doesn't mesh with the Holo theme at all which I hope app developers would use, allowing for a more unified Android look.
What I'm trying to say is: No, ICS is not that much of an upgrade from GB. But, ICS is that important to Android and its future.

pbassjunk said:
[fwiw, I really dig MIUI. It's my go-to.]
I haven't experienced much in ICS (leaks) that has really improved much over what we already had. Gallery is better, but Gallery ICS+ is in the market for 2.3.
*shrug*
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I actually love ICS especially the last few leaks. Everything seems so fast and efficient to me
Oh and my friend finally solved 4g on Miui so be on the lookout for that sometime in the near future
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JohnCorleone said:
Oh and my friend finally solved 4g on Miui so be on the lookout for that sometime in the near future
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now THATS interesting news!
the one thing that's really kept me from playing with miui.
and, in general, i could not disagree with many of the responses here more. (and agree with JC)
ics runs smooth, quick, and the gapps are a Major upgrade, worth it alone, imho.

kingdazy said:
now THATS interesting news!
the one thing that's really kept me from playing with miui.
and, in general, i could not disagree with many of the responses here more. (and agree with JC)
ics runs smooth, quick, and the gapps are a Major upgrade, worth it alone, imho.
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Yeah Miui with 4g will be huge! He solved it on NS4G and is building a ROM now. After that (or maybe already) other Miui.us guys like TCP should have access to his code or changes to the code
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I had some serious battery issues, but I didn't tweak much and didn't want to. I wanted to see the experience Android/Samsung intended us to have.
My favorite aspect of ICS: the ability to disable built in apps. I don't use media hub. I don't use social hub. I don't use Sprint bloatware. ETC. I love having the option of disabling crap I don't use but being able to restore it if it causes OS problems.
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in its stock form hell yea

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I had some serious battery issues, but I didn't tweak much and didn't want to. I wanted to see the experience Android/Samsung intended us to have.
My favorite aspect of ICS: the ability to disable built in apps. I don't use media hub. I don't use social hub. I don't use Sprint bloatware. ETC. I love having the option of disabling crap I don't use but being able to restore it if it causes OS problems.
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How do you do that?
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DT

Well, I had it switched from the touchwiz launcher to the stock launcher. I don't think that makes a difference though. Manage apps> all> select an app> if it's a stock app instead of the uninstall option, it'll have disable. Beats the greyed out block that's on GB.
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Yes ics is awesomee it's still being worked on and im surprised how nice it is. But like others say if u like GB then stay on it. if u want to try ics do it if u don't like it go back no big deall
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Majin101 said:
Yes ics is awesomee it's still being worked on and im surprised how nice it is. But like others say if u like GB then stay on it. if u want to try ics do it if u don't like it go back no big deall
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Totally agree with you, and I did the latter because of the battery life and I'm waiting for them to polish out the bugs I found. The title of the thread is asking for peoples opinions and evaluations of ICS. You have to understand that some people are not going to share your point of view.
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Project Butter - Is it obvious to the naked eye?

People that installed Jelly Bean, do you see any increase in perfomance?
Write your opinions.

Its not a performance gain. Its just as fast as before just not nearly as choppy. There is a video around here sums it up pretty well.
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I do feel like it's snappier, but it's hard to say how much of it is just placebo for hearing about how much snappier it is. There's still some lag every now and then when bringing up the app drawer and such, but there's also graphical improvements that I think make up for everything (the "notification center" or whatever it's called is great).

Although there is Lag in odd spots, I notice neater and smoother transition effects more then anything else. The Keyboard also dissappears when returning to the home screen immediatly rather then lurking on the home screen like it did in ICS. Nothing Major or Revolutionary, but generally neater.

I can tell a major difference after flashing jb.
in old rom chrome is not rendering smoothly when you flip through horizontal tabs comparing to vertical ones. now the problem is completely gone.

From the off, the rom seems noticeably faster and smoother to me.
1. The new app transitions are fantastic. They fade in and out, which is quite slick.
2. The keyboard has ZERO lag, I didn't think it had any lag when I was running AOKP, but running the new JB rom, it's a lot faster again!
3. Home screen/App drawer transitions are a lot snappier. It is now on par with the transitions of an iPhone 4s (Compared with my friends earlier) No lag in the app drawer, even with all of my many apps installed.
4. Last but not least, scrolling long lists is buttery smooth for me Everything just seems so slick at the moment.
On a side note, some subtle changes, like when choosing default action, or long pressing on home screen look a lot nicer. The lock screen looks way cooler. And of course google now seems to be working great. (Aside from having to tell it to use English US, because its not fully functional in the UK)
Hope this helps anyone who was maybe sitting on the fence, I have been running AOKP since getting my nexus, Think is was build 11 or 12 I first had. I am now running Jelly-Belly by Team Inferno and have not even though about returning to AOKP. I will gladly return to AOKP when they release a stable JB update (which will likely be in August some time (JB Source to be released in mid July))

+1 to earlier posts. I can confirm, the "flow" thanks to "Project Butter" is very much appearant to the naked eye. I doubt there is an Android device out there that has a smoother UI than the Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 7 with Jelly Bean right now. Love it.
EDIT: The smoothness of live wallpapers seems to have been greatly improved as well. A live wallpaper called "Fresh Leaves" lagged quite bad when using AOKP 4.0. Now, with Jelly Bean - no lag at all

sjrp said:
+1 to earlier posts. I can confirm, the "flow" thanks to "Project Butter" is very much appearant to the naked eye. I doubt there is an Android device out there that has a smoother UI than the Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 7 with Jelly Bean right now. Love it.
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Agreed, I also think it is definitely closer, if not on par with that of the iPhone and Windows 7 phones.

Definitely solid 60 fps in more areas. My ics setup is probably 45-50fps solid. I noticed less quirky transitions in jelly bean but a few other odd quirks. Still it is overall smoother than ics. And could use a little more polish.
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I agree with what everyone has said. Its noticeably a little quicker but it wasn't like ICS was horrible. One thing no one has mentioned is that the delay when pulling up your recent apps is gone. Its now pretty much instant which makes multitasking better. I think everyone should try jb. I've been running stock rooted jb since Wednesday night and couldn't be happier.
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There is LAG.
Whoever says there is no lag, do not see properly, or are fanboys willing to not see or ignore those quirks.
I'm a HUGE Google fan, and I've been disappointed. This is 2012, and I genuinely believed that Android is better in almost EVERY way than iOS. But I disagree now.
I watched the io live, so much chest thumping, project butter n stuff - got me very excited. After installing it on my nexus, and experiencing it - I concur with most of the statements mentioned here.
Now it disappoints me because THERE IS LAG and the way Google boasted about butter, and the hackery that has gone into it to make it "appear" smoother - while the odd lag and jerks still exists as before, is a bit of a dampener.
The phone is noticeably smoother, the jerks are still present - if you have an eye to look at it, and considering Android top smartphones pack 1.5 times the power of an iOS or Windows phone - backed by Google, can still not solve this basic UI fluid problem - is disappointing.
I would prefer less chest thumping, and more action in dealing with this problem but after doing some heavy net searching - I've found this issue relates to the core of android, and makes it an inferior user experience to iOS and even Win P7 which runs on inferior hardware too
search more on the subject and you would find, here's just one piece...
https://plus.google.com/100838276097451809262/posts/VDkV9XaJRGS

dhruvraj said:
Whoever says there is no lag, do not see properly, or are fanboys willing to not see or ignore those quirks.
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I have better than 20/20 vision and am hardly a fanboi. It's a significant boost in performance over ICS. Can't wait to see the AOSP ROMS, they shall be killer.

So keep looking, and you shall find.

Considering this is a Developer PREVIEW, I'd have to say it's amazing. There is most definitely a difference in smoothness when compared to ICS. There is slight lag, but nothing that hasn't been seen on competing OS.
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dhruvraj said:
So keep looking, and you shall find.
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I shall find that it's not a significant improvement over ICS?

CMNein said:
I shall find that it's not a significant improvement over ICS?
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Find proof in what I said earlier which you nitpicked
Observe your phone carefully - and you would find the same thing as what I wrote.
Now for your question here - yes, you are right, it is a good enough improvement over ICS.
The animations are faster, switching to messages and coming back - is much faster. App drawer, open close is faster - the screen "feels" more sensitive - it works with feather touches - and almost feels like the system is eager to make you feel how smooth it is.
All that works. ICS was smooth too. Granted this one is smoother.
Lag and jerks existed in ICS too, and they do in Jelly Bean as well. They have resorted to other ways of making the phone experience to appear smoother while the problem with lag - scrolling through screens, app drawers, switching from app back to home drawer, and then scrolling - the MAJOR components of lag, still exists.
and irritate. If you're fine with it, cool. Good for you. I expected better of Google. Given WP7 and iOS do a phenomenal job with inferior hardware. Even the iOS part doesnt hurt as much as the WP7 does.
I mean come on! MS making this better than Google? There's some serious questions to be asked on our love for android here.

I don't pay attention to the animations since I typically disable them, and they can indeed be "hacked" to appear smoother. I've always felt that animations are just wasted time. I think that this preview is a sign of good things to come, but also some bad things to come, i.e. the new wifi drivers STILL suck.
I can see your point however. I think it's the trade off we have to make to have such great customization vs the Iphone.

dhruvraj said:
There is LAG.
Whoever says there is no lag, do not see properly, or are fanboys willing to not see or ignore those quirks.
I'm a HUGE Google fan, and I've been disappointed. This is 2012, and I genuinely believed that Android is better in almost EVERY way than iOS. But I disagree now.
I watched the io live, so much chest thumping, project butter n stuff - got me very excited. After installing it on my nexus, and experiencing it - I concur with most of the statements mentioned here.
Now it disappoints me because THERE IS LAG and the way Google boasted about butter, and the hackery that has gone into it to make it "appear" smoother - while the odd lag and jerks still exists as before, is a bit of a dampener.
The phone is noticeably smoother, the jerks are still present - if you have an eye to look at it, and considering Android top smartphones pack 1.5 times the power of an iOS or Windows phone - backed by Google, can still not solve this basic UI fluid problem - is disappointing.
I would prefer less chest thumping, and more action in dealing with this problem but after doing some heavy net searching - I've found this issue relates to the core of android, and makes it an inferior user experience to iOS and even Win P7 which runs on inferior hardware too
search more on the subject and you would find, here's just one piece...
https://plus.google.com/100838276097451809262/posts/VDkV9XaJRGS
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Finally someone had said what I have been thinking. Jellybean still lags a ton! How can Google talk about project butter so Mich while the rom still lags a crap ton?

Its a leaked developers version, its not ready for primetime and was never meant to be. Once AOSP is updated I'm sure it will be sorted. However, it is a promising start IMO. Seems smoother (NOT lagfree) then stock ICS

Everything's amazing and nobody is happy.
You want to see some lag, try a Vibrant on stock Froyo. This stuff does not bother me in the least. It didn't bother me in ICS. JB is awesome. JMO.

Considering getting rid of Quad Core One X for Nexus

As per the title, will I miss the Quad Core? Especially concerned about smoothness in the browser, for example scrolling when viewing flash elements is as if the flash element wasnt there on the One X.
Im considering the swap as I want a Nexus device for dev support and can have a bit of money left over for the next Nexus if I do this swap.

It will not be a regret! I was a fan of the build quality of the one x and its speed but the nexus with jb on it ownes the one x (in my opinion). Plus there is a port of HTC sense 4.0 if you are a fan of sense!
sent from my GNexus rocking Jelly Bean!

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It will not be a regret! I was a fan of the build quality of the one x and its speed but the nexus with jb on it ownes the one x (in my opinion). Plus there is a port of HTC sense 4.0 if you are a fan of sense!
sent from my GNexus rocking Jelly Bean!
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Thanks for the reply mate. How does the battery life compare (screen on times)? And does the Nexus feel "cheap" this is one criticism i see levelled at it a lot. I have the option of the S3 but that does look ugly and cheap (too much chrome and too much shine as well as too much plastic.)
I will miss the One X's looks but I love the look of the Nexus, particularly on the front.
Could you give me a test of browser/flash performance? How is it on the Youtube website scrolling when the video is playing? Are button presses on the flash object (like pressing play/mute/pause) instant? I'm a heavy flash user (cricket/football/Sky Sports streaming) so this is important to me.

slvrarrow said:
Thanks for the reply mate. How does the battery life compare (screen on times)? And does the Nexus feel "cheap" this is one criticism i see levelled at it a lot. I have the option of the S3 but that does look ugly and cheap (too much chrome and too much shine as well as too much plastic.)
I will miss the One X's looks but I love the look of the Nexus, particularly on the front.
Could you give me a test of browser/flash performance? How is it on the Youtube website scrolling when the video is playing? Are button presses on the flash object (like pressing play/mute/pause) instant? I'm a heavy flash user (cricket/football/Sky Sports streaming) so this is important to me.
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Extremely smooth. Flash hasn't been updated for jb. However you can still use the one for ICS. I haven't used flash but everything else works great. The battery life does fine.
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shockem said:
Extremely smooth. Flash hasn't been updated for jb. However you can still use the one for ICS. I haven't used flash but everything else works great. The battery life does fine.
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Could someone test out http://www.computerandvideogames.com/ website on desktop mode and let me know scrolling performance/scrolling lag on the Nexus?

slvrarrow said:
Could someone test out http://www.computerandvideogames.com/ website on desktop mode and let me know scrolling performance/scrolling lag on the Nexus?
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Tried the page u posted, no lag or stutters whatsoever. The galaxy nexus stock browser is one of the smoothest and quickest browsers out there, even back on ics days, no need to mention JB, everything just flies
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rayiskon said:
Tried the page u posted, no lag or stutters whatsoever. The galaxy nexus stock browser is one of the smoothest and quickest browsers out there, even back on ics days, no need to mention JB, everything just flies
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Brilliant. Just trying to think of things I could throw at you lot here - I know what works smooth on the One X and what doesn't. For one thing CVG on desktop mode would have lag from when you put your finger on the screen to the actual scroll taking place.
PCgamer.com was also similarly troublesome on the One X.
What "Screen On" times can I expect with a Nexus? I get 3/4 hours on the One X

You'll get comparable screen on times. Most people get in the three to four hour range. Some less though, and I have seen upwards of five plus hours. A lot will depend on your setup and kernel of choice.
The One X is a nice phone, one that would be tempting to me, as I do like Htc's build quality.
The Nexus doesn't feel overly cheap to me or like to much plastic. I think that may be due to the Glass front and I run a cover so that kinds of changes the feel of the textured back to me.
I do really like the dev community and support that the Nexus receives. One of the reasons that it would be hard for me to leave the Nexus.
Good luck in your choice.

slvrarrow said:
Brilliant. Just trying to think of things I could throw at you lot here - I know what works smooth on the One X and what doesn't. For one thing CVG on desktop mode would have lag from when you put your finger on the screen to the actual scroll taking place.
PCgamer.com was also similarly troublesome on the One X.
What "Screen On" times can I expect with a Nexus? I get 3/4 hours on the One X
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Trust me, i owned htc and samsung phones, and since my htc desire days i stopped using stock browsers and dolphin was the main one on all phones that followed. after getting the gnex i was still skeptical about stock browsers, but it's really the best browser i've tried so far, adding to it's speed all the cool stuff like guick controls and inverted screen rendering, u just can't go wrong with it. Furthermore the jelly bean experience is far away from anything available on any other android device out there. I posted a youtube link a while ago about a review for JB on gnex , a part of the review concentrates on browser performance, i'll post the link here as soon as i get to my pc (don't feel like searching over my phone)
Edit: as for screen on times, it depends if u're planing to get the gsm or cdma (verizon/sprint) version. I have a gsm one and on ics i used to get continuosly over 5hrs screen on. On jb it dropped to ~ 4-4.5 hrs , i think Google Now is eating the battery, (giving me navigation and calculating traffic to home) even though i don't need it, and actually i'm still enjoying all these JB features so i guess i'll turn some of those uneeded gnow cards OFF soon, pretty sure it'll improve my battery life more
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I've gotten the best battery life of any Android phone on this one.
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Guys you're being ridiculously helpful and I'm seriously tempted to jack in the One X and get the Nexus tomorrow even!
That review you mentioned above would be great to see.
What JB ROM/Kernel combo would you recommend and could you point me in the direction of the thinnest case for the back of the phone?
I'd be on GSM in the UK BTW.
Does overclocking to the 4460's 1.5ghz massively impact battery life? And how effective is undervolting? I've read you can UV the CPU/GPU and Screen as well as another chip?
For the fella above that had the ONE X would you say the camera/screen is markedly better on the HTC or is it negligible? Screen more important than camera to me.
Also is this colour accuracy patch still in use with many Kernels? The ONE X screen is streets ahead in terms of colour IMO and this seems to certainly help? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1521195
Lastly just to reaffirm, scrolling performance with a flash video playing is instantaneous?

Don't even need 1.5ghz. Its smooth at 1036mhz.
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here is the vid i mentioned , it was done on the developer preview 4.1, the official 4.1.1 has been furthermore polished
also take a look at this
as for overclock, u don't need it

I too have a HOX and ordered a Nexus the other night. It'll be here tomorrow. I can give you a hands-on account of the switch after that!

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I too have a HOX and ordered a Nexus the other night. It'll be here tomorrow. I can give you a hands-on account of the switch after that!
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What ROM are you running? I know HOX is getting JB but why keep it when I can have £100 spare and have a similar performing phone, with most support and instant AOSP pushes?
Please hurry with your account because I will probably be rushing off to make the exchange tomorrow myself! Haha

Achieved it yesterday. Well actually almost everyday. Stock jb with stock kernel. Only rooted deoxdexed, bigxie version. I don't use setcpu or anything. Gps and bluetooth on when needed. And since I don't use nfc, I turned it off and greatly improved the battery too. Auto sync are all on, auto-brightness n also plume updating every 30 minutes.
Btw, I use it alongside my one x too. The thing is, it's been 24 hours since I last touch my one x. Damn it that shows how much I love nexus and aosp! You won't regret it mate. I prefer using my nexus over one x in anything! Really tiring waiting for CM to come official for one x. Grrr...
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Achieved it yesterday. Well actually almost everyday. Stock jb with stock kernel. Only rooted deoxdexed, bigxie version. I don't use setcpu or anything. Gps and bluetooth on when needed. And since I don't use nfc, I turned it off and greatly improved the battery too. Auto sync are all on, auto-brightness n also plume updating every 30 minutes.
Btw, I use it alongside my one x too. The thing is, it's been 24 hours since I last touch my one x. Damn it that shows how much I love nexus and aosp! You won't regret it mate. I prefer using my nexus over one x in anything! Really tiring waiting for CM to come official for one x. Grrr...
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How much difference is there between the screen and camera? Can you see pixels on the screen of the nexus being pentile or is it as pin sharp as the One X (which looks like a magazine print to be honest).
How would you rate performance of the Nexus in relation to the One X ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMusBwaMKMw
The lag here worries me, its definitely not like that on the One X with ICS its butter smooth

You won't miss a damn thing. Go for it.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMusBwaMKMw
The lag here worries me, its definitely not like that on the One X with ICS its butter smooth
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That guy is a moron. Also, full YouTube can make some desktops cry.
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I can't say on the Stock Browser with Ics, as I was using Chrome. But on JB with the stock browser, I just opened Youtube, and had no lag at all. Very smooth. I've been really impressed with the improvements to the Stock Browser in JB. I tried Chrome, and it was choppy. With the performance of the Stock Browser, I see no reason to use anything else now though.
What everyone else has said about not needing to overclock. Very true. I run at 1036 with no issues. I will push it up to 1500 if I want to run a bench test, but other than that, there really is no reason for me to OC.
The Gpu can be OC'd. I haven't noticed a lot of difference between 384 and 512. I don't play a lot of labor intense games though. Jelly Defense and Ski Safari are the only two games I have installed at the moment. Even the stock 307 setting works fine for these.
I have tried a few of the Kernels, but have been using Trinity exclusively now for the past few months both on Ics and now on Jb. It's all subjective to personal taste though. If you make the switch, there are many Kernels and roms to choose from, all with there pluses.

[Q] Really buttery smooth?

Hello kind folks at xda,
I really hate my galaxy nexus the past few months. It's just so incredibly slow and the battery life is terrible. I just don't wanna buy a new phone yet. I'm waiting for the new Nexus device or maybe even the X-Phone by Motorola.
But till then, I need my nexus to be smooth again. I already given up the hope for a battery life. It just doesn't get any better. I've been not very active on xda for a long time so I need to get a bit freshed up.
What is for you the most smootest/fastest rom/kernel?
Im now using a battery savers Xylon rom from 2 months ago.
Thanks a lot!

Since 4.2 it all got a bit f*d up for our Gnex'es unfortunately.. I have the same feeling like you, I like the phone still generally but I hate when it lags so much, whereas before 4.2 it seemed super smooth. Yet it would be stupid to have a Nexus and run an "older" android version, right ?
I can advise Rasbeanjelly with trinity kernel. Runs smoother than stock, and it has the fasted lockscreen unlock I've ever seen! Battery life is doable too, comparable with stock rom. But anyways it's no newsflash that the Gnex battery sucks, it always has if you are a heavy user..

before you flash a new rom and kernel, have you considered what exactly is the real issue here? is it really the rom or yourself?
because quite frankly, a lot of roms are in fact not as smooth/stable as the stock rom.
are you running ****load of widgets? or have the background apps constantly updating stuff like facebook/twitter/rss feed etc?
when you say terrible battery life, what exactly is terrible to you? like how much standby + on screen?
We need more specifics to help, you cant just say tell me the best rom and kernel to flash.
TL;DR - CM + AK kernel is my personal favourite.

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Since 4.2 it all got a bit f*d up for our Gnex'es unfortunately.. I have the same feeling like you, I like the phone still generally but I hate when it lags so much, whereas before 4.2 it seemed super smooth. Yet it would be stupid to have a Nexus and run an "older" android version, right ?
I can advise Rasbeanjelly with trinity kernel. Runs smoother than stock, and it has the fasted lockscreen unlock I've ever seen! Battery life is doable too, comparable with stock rom. But anyways it's no newsflash that the Gnex battery sucks, it always has if you are a heavy user..
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You're so right about that. Gonna try what you said. Hope I see some improvement and that the nexus wil actually feel like the flagship phone it once was.

also wtr_dhd, what rom are you running? I have had 4.2.2 stock rom for a few months before switching to CM, it was very smooth, smoother than ics or 4.1 even. Only those stupid hiccups android has when swithcing apps/within apps/chrome. other than that, all the ui transiation are very smooth, like ios level smooth.

People seem to like all these...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1339

hhwong said:
also wtr_dhd, what rom are you running? I have had 4.2.2 stock rom for a few months before switching to CM, it was very smooth, smoother than ics or 4.1 even. Only those stupid hiccups android has when swithcing apps/within apps/chrome. other than that, all the ui transiation are very smooth, like ios level smooth.
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Like I said I'm on Rasbeanjelly rom. And yeah I used stock 4.2.2 for months too, and those hiccups are indeed annoying, and sometimes switching between homescreens lagged too, or app drawer.
I wouldn't say it was iOS'ish smooth at all, I'd say for android you need a decent high-end quad core phone to have such smoothness. A Note 2 for example even with crappy Touchwiz on it is SOO smooth, it destroys the Gnex in terms of smoothness and speed.. But ok, that's an unfair comparison

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But anyways it's no newsflash that the Gnex battery sucks, it always has if you are a heavy user..
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I'll disagree. Its better than my GS3 was stock. I am getting 18+ hours with 2+ hours of screen time on the stock battery, and have the official extended battery on the way. In order to get more than 10-12 hours on the GS3 I needed to root and put an aftermarket ROM and/or kernel, and it CERTAINLY beats the hell out of my buddy's HTC One.

@ jsgrpahicart
very funny.
@ hwong
I don't have a lot of widgets; only dashclock and a weather widgets which refreshes every 4 hours.
What I hate is that sometimes it's just so daaaaaaaaaaaamn slow. I'm just like whatsapping and the keyboard ( swiftkey ) just doesn't open. I'm listening to music through poweramp and I get a message, I open it and the moment whatsapp opens, poweramp closes. It's so goddamn annoying. It makes me wanna smash my phone ( figure of speach ofcourse )

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@ jsgrpahicart
very funny.
@ hwong
I don't have a lot of widgets; only dashclock and a weather widgets which refreshes every 4 hours.
What I hate is that sometimes it's just so daaaaaaaaaaaamn slow. I'm just like whatsapping and the keyboard ( swiftkey ) just doesn't open. I'm listening to music through poweramp and I get a message, I open it and the moment whatsapp opens, poweramp closes. It's so goddamn annoying. It makes me wanna smash my phone ( figure of speach ofcourse )
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try the ak kernel then, and try using westwood/sio/interactive, with 180000min/1200000max, the real battery saver is both the min and min screen off, just set it to 180000 and you will have fairly good battery. I normally get 22hours ish if i just let my phone idle on table, and about 4-5 hours normal use.

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@ jsgrpahicart
very funny.
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Well its true. No two people are going to come in here and tell you the same combo of ROM and kernel. You are going to get a bunch of different answers. The best thing for you to do is to just start trying them out. We all had to do it before we found what worked for us. What works for us may not work for you.

hhwong said:
try the ak kernel then, and try using westwood/sio/interactive, with 180000min/1200000max, the real battery saver is both the min and min screen off, just set it to 180000 and you will have fairly good battery. I normally get 22hours ish if i just let my phone idle on table, and about 4-5 hours normal use.
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Thank you, will try. Is it also just butter smooth? That is now my biggest concern. I accept that the battery s*cks and that it doesn't get any better.

LarsAussems said:
Thank you, will try. Is it also just butter smooth? That is now my biggest concern. I accept that the battery s*cks and that it doesn't get any better.
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unfortunately, buttery smooth for android is only buttery smooth when you compare to previous versions of android, there will be hiccups no matter what devices you are on, probably due to the os mechanic, i dont know **** about the coding so I really cant say anything about it. but AFAIK, android wont be as smooth as ios in ui for a while, not until they overhaul the entire system like they did in ics and jb. =/ at least thats what everyone is telling me.....
TL;DR - buttery smooth vs 4.1/4.0.

hhwong said:
unfortunately, buttery smooth for android is only buttery smooth when you compare to previous versions of android, there will be hiccups no matter what devices you are on, probably due to the os mechanic, i dont know **** about the coding so I really cant say anything about it. but AFAIK, android wont be as smooth as ios in ui for a while, not until they overhaul the entire system like they did in ics and jb. =/ at least thats what everyone is telling me.....
TL;DR - buttery smooth vs 4.1/4.0.
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Alright, thanks for your help.

hhwong said:
unfortunately, buttery smooth for android is only buttery smooth when you compare to previous versions of android, there will be hiccups no matter what devices you are on, probably due to the os mechanic, i dont know **** about the coding so I really cant say anything about it. but AFAIK, android wont be as smooth as ios in ui for a while, not until they overhaul the entire system like they did in ics and jb. =/ at least thats what everyone is telling me.....
TL;DR - buttery smooth vs 4.1/4.0.
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Just yesterday I made an iPhone user jealous at how buttery smooth scrolling is on my GNex running 4.2.2 (showed him the text app with a long list of texts and pictures). He couldn't believe how much smoother it was than his iPhone 4.
AOKP M1/Franco kernel

well, i have both ip5 and gnex, my brother has a nexus 4 too, when i tried to compare ip5 with n4, the ui is smooth on both devices, however android will hiccup randomly while ios generally stay smooth, i am not saying iphone never lags, they do as well, but its only under heavy work load, unlike android where they can just lag out of no where, both devices lag under heavy work load, i get that, but somehow android still lag randomly, thats the only thing i am not happt with android, other than that, it is the perfect os comparing to ios.