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Why the Windows Phone 7 Start Page Has Blank Spots
Talks about one of the most debated things about wp7 design...the big black space to the right on the homescreen.
Interesting read
BS, its a simple design. Highly doubt scientist got involved, and highly doubt they were thinking about famous artist.
vetvito said:
BS, its a simple design. Highly doubt scientist got involved, and highly doubt they were thinking about famous artist.
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BS? You don't think someone with knowledge of Design stepped in to design Metro? They're not saying they drew from Da Vinci, they're saying it's based on Design Principles, which have been around since the Renaissance and proven over time.
The design principles he talked about:
Rule of Thirds
Golden Ratio Scroll down to where it describes the impact on Architecture, Painting, Book design, Perceptual studies, Music
Basically saying the Metro design comes from design principles. We're used to alot of symmetry, but symmetry is a bad way to make something stand out. Which is pretty much common sense if you think about it. I agree, that a majoir theme of the UI is simplicity, but when I look at Metro I see a company that did alot of homework and did a lot of work to achieve that balance between elegance and simplicity.
Also you can't just say the design of Metro comes from simplicity. The easiest thing would have been to make the tiles symmetrical. the fact that it's not shows that other thought processes went on.
They're not talking about Metro, they're talking about "Start".
Why make it sound complicated? They needed a way for people to know that there is more information to the right, that's all. Its not rocket science.
vetvito said:
They're not talking about Metro, they're talking about "Start".
Why make it sound complicated? They needed a way for people to know that there is more information to the right, that's all. Its not rocket science.
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Why do they need that? There's no such mechanic on any other mobile OS and there is often times when there is more content to the left or right. But it was part of a greater design decision to indicate more content through the design.
If you think it follows Design Principles by happenstance that's your prerogative. But I'll go with a designer designed it that way.
vetvito said:
They're not talking about Metro, they're talking about "Start".
Why make it sound complicated? They needed a way for people to know that there is more information to the right, that's all. Its not rocket science.
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Listen to Albert Shum and the other WP7 designers talk and you'll realize that a lot of thought was put into every tiny detail. Good design is like this and it's why techies/engineers suck at design.
Acually I wouldn't be surprised if some visual specialists were involved in such a process of creating new UI.
And to be honest, some of you don't have a clue how hard it is to find a real good visual proportions on screen, yes it is almost rocket science. From this aspect WP7 is probably well done.
Bull****!
Everyone at Microsoft are drunk and they still havent noticed its out of centre.
You guys are so right, I don't know how I didn't notice it before! It probably took them years and designers from all around the world just to push the tiles to the left! OMG, its brilliant!
People don't know there is more to the right so its beyond me as to how they came up with the idea to put the arrow up there. Probably took more history books, scientist, and designers from all around the world ages to come up with this! Freaking Awesome!
vetvito said:
You guys are so right, I don't know how I didn't notice it before! It probably took them years and designers from all around the world just to push the tiles to the left! OMG, its brilliant!
People don't know there is more to the right so its beyond me as to how they came up with the idea to put the arrow up there. Probably took more history books, scientist, and designers from all around the world ages to come up with this! Freaking Awesome!
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Yeah, right, this is why most of the interfaces around look like ****. Because making good one is too easy.
BS.
vetvito said:
You guys are so right, I don't know how I didn't notice it before! It probably took them years and designers from all around the world just to push the tiles to the left! OMG, its brilliant!
People don't know there is more to the right so its beyond me as to how they came up with the idea to put the arrow up there. Probably took more history books, scientist, and designers from all around the world ages to come up with this! Freaking Awesome!
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You think this was their first and only design? Somebody just said "let's put an arrow on the right to get to a list of apps" and this is what immediate was drawn up? Come on, you're being ridiculous.
It probably didn't take them all that much but this has been a point of contention among folks and this helps to explain why it actually makes sense and works quite well from a design perspective. The whole UI isn't just some designer's whim. There has been a lot of effort put into every aspect so that it works together. They even made a little book about it.
http://download.microsoft.com/downl...dows Phone Design System - Codename Metro.PDF
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It probably didn't take them all that much
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That's my point, everything else is just fluffy BS.
The article is ONLY talking about "Start" screen.
vetvito said:
You guys are so right, I don't know how I didn't notice it before! It probably took them years and designers from all around the world just to push the tiles to the left! OMG, its brilliant!
People don't know there is more to the right so its beyond me as to how they came up with the idea to put the arrow up there. Probably took more history books, scientist, and designers from all around the world ages to come up with this! Freaking Awesome!
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The golden ratio, the rule of thirds, and all these have been around for more than a millennia. The research and and statistics have been record decades ago about how people perceive art that follow these rules and guidelines. There is a general consensus that art that uses these rules is more appealing to the eye than the same thing without these rules.
Something like this is really huge because there's so much math involved in it and that its almost ubiquitous in nature, from plant life to the structure of DNA. However, its very simple to use and implement it.
All microsoft and other artists do is just play by these rules that have all ready been established. So all these numbers and "fluff" that the article presents can just as easily be applied to everything else.
vetvito said:
That's my point, everything else is just fluffy BS.
The article is ONLY talking about "Start" screen.
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Right but the article is accurate. You're making it seem as if the whole thing was done purely just so they could stick an arrow there and the sizing and layout was just what first came to someone's head without much thought. They likely had dozens of mockups with the final choice being tweaked many, many times before becoming what we see today.
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They likely had dozens of mockups with the final choice being tweaked many, many times before becoming what we see today.
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That's exactly what happened. Everything else is just fluff.
I figure joining a graphic design class at an university would make your brain explode with all "fluff" and "bull****" they teach there.
Ugh no. It would enlighten you as to why you do certain graphical things and the principles behind them.
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That's exactly what happened. Everything else is just fluff.
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So you're saying they didn't take design principles into account when creating those mockups and deciding on which direction to go? You're not making any sense... What's your point? What exactly are you disagreeing with?
They just stuck with the UI. Made it flow. Pushed it to the left because it looks better and because there is more information to the right. They followed the KISS rule.
The article just made MS design sound so scientific, when in reality everything we do is scientific.
However it doesn't mean MS went into great lengths searching for perfect measurements just to push things to the left.
We can say the exact same thing for any other OS. I call BS and fluff, just let the damn designer's do their job.
I have smart tools, most handy thing out of that is the compass basically.
So im asking, what are the best survival apps?
Im no conspiracy nut, but it doesn't take a genius to realize the earth is going through stuff it never has before.
Survival apps meaning:
Any guides (i already have the US army & Navy guides)
Any tools that utilizes the Epic's tech (i.e compass, solar wind activity)
If we do not already, someone needs to start coding some serious apps.
Also, if anyone knows of any good ad-hoc programs for when cell towers go down.
Having a nice shiny phone wont mean **** when the cell towers go down.
Take this seriously, please.
When the towers go down and all that madness starts happening, how do you plan on charging your shiny phone?
Edit: As snide a response as this is, I'm being serious. There's better ways to be prepared.
In all seriousness, anything a smartphone can do (assuming network infrastructure is kaput) is better done with a purpose built tool. If TSHTF, you really think a day or two of battery life is gonna cut it?
Better to get a standalone analog compass, a good set of maps, and a decent Yaesu HT ham radio. No reason to reinvent the wheel.
(Unless you want to play Angry Birds)
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klub242 said:
When the towers go down and all that madness starts happening, how do you plan on charging your shiny phone?
Edit: As snide a response as this is, I'm being serious. There's better ways to be prepared.
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I just thanked you when i meant to quote lol, off to a great start. As for your "response", no ****.
**** hits the fan, you have a phone for 2-3 MAX, what apps are you gonna have that will help you?
You think i assume our Epics are gonna be solar charged or something?
So again, 2-3 days max...what apps are going to be the most helpful?
EDIT: If you're going to state the obvious (phone dying) then dont bother posting, im fully aware of
that as its the big pink elephant in the room.
comedy said:
I just thanked you when i meant to quote lol, off to a great start. As for your "response", no ****.
**** hits the fan, you have a phone for 2-3 MAX, what apps are you gonna have that will help you?
You think i assume our Epics are gonna be solar charged or something?
So again, 2-3 days max...what apps are going to be the most helpful?
EDIT: If you're going to state the obvious (phone dying) then dont bother posting, im fully aware of
that as its the big pink elephant in the room.
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It's okay. I'm thank-worthy. As much as I love technology and the cool things it can do... I wouldn't really bother. You're a lot better off learning basic things like first aid and having the head knowledge than being reliant on anything. Also, it's awfully optimistic to hope for more than 24 hours max if you ask me.
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It's okay. I'm thank-worthy. As much as I love technology and the cool things it can do... I wouldn't really bother. You're a lot better off learning basic things like first aid and having the head knowledge than being reliant on anything. Also, it's awfully optimistic to hope for more than 24 hours max if you ask me.
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Lol, you're an interesting fellow -- interesting is the nicest word I can think of at the moment.
I have everything else covered, dry meals, water filters, i have enough first aid kits to aid a village. I have much more aid that i wont list as it comes from ex-military friends, trust me when I say I have everything else covered.
So again, when TSHTF, what are the most useful apps?
I cant even believe im trying to explain to you the importance of having survival apps on your phone, feel like im taking crazy pills or something.
EDIT: and no, you are not thank worthy -- not even close. Please abandon the thread if you continue to think small small-mindedly, on the other hand
if you want to contribute, please do.
They have solar chargers for laptops which will hold over 10 full cellphone charges and require something like 10 hours of sunlight to get those 10 full charges. With them, you could charge your cell phone as fast as you could with a normal power adapter from the wall.
I think they also have $50 range solar chargers which would hold about 3-4 cell phone charges, and get your cell phone charged fully in 3-4 hours from sunlight or from the built-in battery.
I'll take a stab at a serious reply for ya...
Other than a compass, obviously... A GPS program with pre-downloaded maps might come in handy, something like Gaia GPS, perhaps, where you can get maps with hiking trails listed. I figure if something happens to take out the satellites, you probably wouldn't be around to worry about much else!
My app is called an AR15.
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My app is called an AR15.
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Bigjim1488 said:
My app is called an AR15.
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So, let me get this straight. You shoot people to get directions?
Gotta love 'em rednecks.
Thanks Nabbed & Dalmus, will definitely look into both of those.
As for the others, the ignorance is amazing.
Ill list some of my own if anyone didnt already know about them:
BrightestFlashlight
U.S. Army Survival Guide
U.S. Navy Seal Training Guide (which i downloaded & loaded onto my phone w/ a pdf reader)
Boskoi (utilizes google maps (albeit if its still up) to show you ALL edible sources around you, nuts, fruits, berries, even fungi.
ICE: In Case of Emergence (shows you First & Local responders (police stations, hospitals) and also gives you information on allergies, specific medical conditions,
how to treat someone who is unconscious, ect.
Also remember, if you have some steel wool & enough tinder you can start a fire with your own battery.
Small-minded thinking gets you nowhere, open-minded with a dash of doubt is most important.
Not just outright "Oh you think you're phone will save you?"
No offense, but I'm not sure how this thread even belongs on the XDA forums...
Lonewuhf said:
No offense, but I'm not sure how this thread even belongs on the XDA forums...
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No offense taken.
The right approach would be to think, wow we really do need some handy apps.
I'd code everything myself and not ask a single question but I obviously dont have that knowledge so instead I have to take a gamble, post on here -- & get nothing but ignorant responses.
Except for the few that get what im saying
Nabby & Dal <3
comedy said:
No offense taken.
The right approach would be to think, wow we really do need some handy apps.
I'd code everything myself and not ask a single question but I obviously dont have that knowledge so instead I have to take a gamble, post on here -- & get nothing but ignorant responses.
Except for the few that get what im saying
Nabby & Dal <3
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I'm not sure how my post was ignorant at all, I was kind of thinking the same about this entire thread. This belongs somewhere, yes, but not here. At least take it over to the themes and apps section... And no I don't think we need apps of this kind. If I was worried about something happening, I'd get actual tools designed (and much better) to solve these problems than my cell phone.
you could smash the gorilla glass and use it to skin squirrels and cut paracord.
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So, let me get this straight. You shoot people to get directions?
Gotta love 'em rednecks.
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It's called a map and compass for directions. Gun to hold onto my shiny cell phone that I will wear around my neck as a trophy because that's all it will be good for.
If your really looking for a serious note on this and I am still confused why you'd rely on a cell phone when things go down but I'd get all the guides, local maps, points in interest I.e. police stations, military bases, hospitals and load them into PDF files then save them on your phone so you can have all the info ready. No cell reception required.
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It's called a map and compass for directions. Gun to hold onto my shiny cell phone that I will wear around my neck as a trophy because that's all it will be good for.
If your really looking for a serious note on this and I am still confused why you'd rely on a cell phone when things go down but I'd get all the guides, local maps, points in interest I.e. police stations, military bases, hospitals and load them into PDF files then save them on your phone so you can have all the info ready. No cell reception required.
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You'd be much better served with a glock. If you want to shoot bandits in the case of a national emergency, a handgun trumps the rifle.
Also, you seem to be confused, friend. If you are going up against a totalitarian government, then a rifle is a good choice. A handgun is much better in the case of riots. Your confusion seems to stem from the misinterpretation of the Second Amendment. You see, you can fight against injustice with a rifle, but a handgun is much more useful in case of civil disobedience.
I have to repeat these obvious truths 3 times over because rednecks really don't think for themselves.
nabbed said:
You'd be much better served with a glock. If you want to shoot bandits in the case of a national emergency, a handgun trumps the rifle.
Also, you seem to be confused, friend. If you are going up against a totalitarian government, then a rifle is a good choice. A handgun is much better in the case of riots. Your confusion seems to stem from the misinterpretation of the Second Amendment. You see, you can fight against injustice with a rifle, but a handgun is much more useful in case of civil disobedience.
I have to repeat these obvious truths 3 times over because rednecks really don't think for themselves.
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Lol your a tool box good sir. This thread went from worthless to just silly. Who is talking about fighting the government, riots or second amendment. Apparently your idea of $hit hitting the fan is way different then most. This went from joking around to you getting mad. Why so mad?
I'll make it even simpler, a pistol for CQB/CQD and a rifle for anything past that. Take your smugness somewhere else, it doesn't really add much here.
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Lol your a tool box good sir. This thread went from worthless to just silly. Who is talking about fighting the government, riots or second amendment. Apparently your idea of $hit hitting the fan is way different then most. This went from joking around to you getting mad. Why so mad? I
I'll make it even simpler, a pistol for CQB/CQD and a rifle for anything past that. Take your smugness somewhere else, it doesn't really add much here.
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I'm sorry but I didn't read what you wrote. I just pushed the Quote button.
But I digress. Let me give youa piece if advice, mr. Redneck. Go to your backyard immediately and dig a hole. Take that pos ar-15 and bury it in the hole. Then go to your favorite gun store and get yourself an ak.
There are rumours this will be turned into an ad campaign, time will tell.
The "really" ad was true to life and not a rigged survey like this one is, but hey, we're talking marketing soooooooo... it should get interesting.
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The "really" ad was true to life and not a rigged survey like this one is, but hey, we're talking marketing soooooooo... it should get interesting.
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I don't get your point at all. How are the "really" ads more true to life than this? This is not a survey, these are real life scenarios, have you even watched the video?
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The "really" ad was true to life and not a rigged survey like this one is, but hey, we're talking marketing soooooooo... it should get interesting.
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I don't think it's rigged dude...
Nope. MS should just watch iphone ads and copy them
For example: an iphone ad will be something like "with the iphone you can do, x, y, z" with video on how to do them all in the ad.
With WP7 ads sometimes even I have no idea what they are trying to do, or even then how to do it (the guy shopping with his kids typing in a document in skydrive). Keep it simple and to the point.
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Nope. MS should just watch iphone ads and copy them
For example: an iphone ad will be something like "with the iphone you can do, x, y, z" with video on how to do them all in the ad.
With WP7 ads sometimes even I have no idea what they are trying to do, or even then how to do it (the guy shopping with his kids typing in a document in skydrive). Keep it simple and to the point.
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I totally agree with copying what Apple does, it's just great and Google has started doing it too (for non-Android services) but the above video is still miles better than all the generic stuff Microsoft has been doing so far.
cool video. It wasn't rigged but the contestants were obviously not prepared.
First test the guy could have stopped the app and it would have found the song.
The others didn't make use of their widgets, instead they went looking for the app.
Nice try though.
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Well you're right, but the whole point of the contest is to show how on WP7 you don't have to look for a way to do things faster (like stopping soundhound).
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cool video. It wasn't rigged but the contestants were obviously not prepared.
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Agreed.
First test the guy could have stopped the app and it would have found the song.
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Couldn't the WP7 guy as well? Wouldn't a fair test be both to run its course?
The others didn't make use of their widgets, instead they went looking for the app.
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Agreed. Again, not prepared. I was shocked the iPhone beat the WP7 with its straight to camera ability. But then I remembered iOS5.
Nice try though.
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I love this campaign. It has more meaning than the "really" one which is entertaining but does not really show anything. The one great thing about the iPhone/iPad ads are they fully demonstrate the products' capabilities. The Macs take that entertaining approach.
Has my thumbs up.
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I was shocked the iPhone beat the WP7 with its straight to camera ability. But then I remembered iOS5.
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To Me the WP won if it was based on who said uploading first now as far as the completed task there are many other variables like which image was larger thus taking longer to post to twitter.
rruffman said:
To Me the WP won if it was based on who said uploading first now as far as the completed task there are many other variables like which image was larger thus taking longer to post to twitter.
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Either way, this campaign drives the message home:
"Get in, get out, get on with your life."
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I don't get your point at all. How are the "really" ads more true to life than this? This is not a survey, these are real life scenarios, have you even watched the video?
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The "really" ads showed people staring at their phones, walking into doors, refusing sex, etc which is true to life.
The survey is neither scientific nor prepared users other than the surveyor offering a $100 bet. He decides the task, instead of an impartial third party. Give an impartial third party the opportunity to decide random tasks, it will be very different and less dramatic.
^ this is why I said its marketing, soooooo you know.
LOL, everybody on here that's mad and complaining got smoked by a Windows Phone.
sinister1 said:
LOL, everybody on here that's mad and complaining got smoked by a Windows Phone.
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now that's funnay, sigline updated !
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Agreed.I was shocked the iPhone beat the WP7 with its straight to camera ability. But then I remembered iOS5.
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We'll see:
http://wmpoweruser.com/microsoft-applies-for-patent-on-locked-mode-camera-access-in-smartphones
I seem to remember some iFan reporting on iOS 5 and how one of the reasons it was so much better than Windows Phone was because you could access the camera from the lock screen. He was oblivious that WP7 had done this first, and a year earlier, and would have had serious egg on his face if anyone had ever bothered correcting him.
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We'll see:
http://wmpoweruser.com/microsoft-applies-for-patent-on-locked-mode-camera-access-in-smartphones
I seem to remember some iFan reporting on iOS 5 and how one of the reasons it was so much better than Windows Phone was because you could access the camera from the lock screen. He was oblivious that WP7 had done this first, and a year earlier, and would have had serious egg on his face if anyone had ever bothered correcting him.
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There was a nokia something or other years ago that did this. Not that it matters who was first, its an awesome feature reguardless !
The ads were interesting and did prove some points, but too social network-centered. Come on, you don't choose a phone just because it allows you to quickly post stuff to Twitter. I don't facebook and post to Twitter twice a month, so this is hardly useful. And cameras on most Windows phones suck, especially first-generation models.
No mentions of
- integrated Office
- contact grouping (Android 4 does something like this, but WP7 is better)
- best-of-class email (reading large emails is much better in WP7 than Android)
Now if they did some other real-world scenarios:
- Use turn-by-turn navigation without distracting (Android navigation is a lot better)
- Load an Ajax-heavy page over a crappy network connection (Opera Mini obviously wins)
- Use a non-facebook online messenger, such as Google Talk or ICQ, or a non-integrated social network
- Uploading a bunch of documents for later reference with a USB cable instead of using Skydrive or email
- Identifying a random object (sorry, Bing Vision is pathetic compared to Google Goggles)
- Making a Skype call
- Switching between third-party apps without them losing state
that would make the competition a lot more interesting!
Or if they offered contestants to propose the challenge instead of the predefined scenarios.
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The "really" ads showed people staring at their phones, walking into doors, refusing sex, etc which is true to life.
The survey is neither scientific nor prepared users other than the surveyor offering a $100 bet. He decides the task, instead of an impartial third party. Give an impartial third party the opportunity to decide random tasks, it will be very different and less dramatic.
^ this is why I said its marketing, soooooo you know.
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I don't think I have walked into doors or been refused sex - so don't seem like that's a real life situation for me!
Anyways, if you did read about the 'survey' which was a challenge as a matter of fact - you would have known. The 'survey' wasn't meant to be scientific or wasn't meant to compared the 'cores' of phones. We know the hardware boasting of android is much above par. Dual cores, nearly 2ghz sorta processor etc etc.
What the challenge was to show that, yeah whatever funky hardware you carry in your pocket, let's just do something we do daily and we will see who can do it faster. Yes the incentive was $100. But it is completely wrong to say that 'he chose' the tasks. The tasks were mutually agreed by both and generally the task that the challenger thought he does daily with his phone and is happy doing it was performed as a challenge. For example if someone was so much into tweeting all the time on his dual core high end Android phone, he was challenged to do so against Windows Phone and get smoked!
Ideally if I was challenging WindowsPhone I wouldn't want a random dude to tell me what I should try. Instead asking the user to do what he does daily is scientifically even more challenging. You are not only challenging the cognitive brain but also challenging the routine co-ordination the user has already mastered on his phone. Thus the users who tweet regularly would ideally have the 'widget' somewhere pinned down. If they din't it's sad. But then it shows how the users are used to going into the 'app drawer' even for things they do daily or very frequently. Whereas a WindowsPhone user can pin it in a similar way as any other OS user too. But the fact that is very clear is - Only a few Pinned Live tiles covered ALL or Majority of tasks that any other OS user performed routinely. Thus, you don't need to clutter you screen with widgets, but live tiles (few) will let you do a plenty!
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The ads were interesting and did prove some points, but too social network-centered. Come on, you don't choose a phone just because it allows you to quickly post stuff to Twitter. I don't facebook and post to Twitter twice a month, so this is hardly useful. And cameras on most Windows phones suck, especially first-generation models.
No mentions of
- integrated Office
- contact grouping (Android 4 does something like this, but WP7 is better)
- best-of-class email (reading large emails is much better in WP7 than Android)
Now if they did some other real-world scenarios:
- Use turn-by-turn navigation without distracting (Android navigation is a lot better)
- Load an Ajax-heavy page over a crappy network connection (Opera Mini obviously wins)
- Use a non-facebook online messenger, such as Google Talk or ICQ, or a non-integrated social network
- Uploading a bunch of documents for later reference with a USB cable instead of using Skydrive or email
- Identifying a random object (sorry, Bing Vision is pathetic compared to Google Goggles)
- Making a Skype call
- Switching between third-party apps without them losing state
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Turn-by-turn navigation on WP7 is much less distracting than Googles one. You only hear the annoying woman when you tap and need it. Else it smoothly shows the directions to you. But probably that was no possible anyway unless they go on driving from CES to McD and then to CES!
Do you load Ajax-heavey pages daily? I think loading documents will be done easily and quickly via email. The task for fixed, not the method. So if aim was upload documents - WP7 would have done much faster and safer way using the hotspot connectivity they had. Certain third-party apps like skype, googles and many google services would have surely made WP7 stumble but obviously they could come back with - Ok let's get your XBOX achievements on your android phone? Or let's play assassin's creed or any WP7 only app/games on your phone? - that doesn't look like would have worked!
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Do you load Ajax-heavey pages daily?
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I do, every day. Reading news on the bus/train, while most websites include tons of widgets (Facebook like, Tweet this, +1 etc), ads and inefficiently formatted HTML makes surfing the web with a real browser (instead of Opera Mini) unusable, especially in non-3G areas. I don't need AJAX features, but they do use a lot of traffic and not all websites provide a decent mobile-friendly version. Even forums without tons of AJAX still load much faster in Opera Mini. Online stores, cinema sites, forums - all load slowly, sometimes even on a 3G connection.
If you need to search an answer for something that's not integrated in WP7's Bing features, it's going to be so slow over 2G that most people give up and call a friend to google it on a regular computer.
IE on WP7 however is a very good browser UI-wise, I'd call it the best I've seen on a smartphone.
I do agree with your other points, but the ads could've shown much more features - like voice recognition (in cases where both phones support it), making a call, sending a text or email with the restaurant address. No mentioning of the live tiles or lockscreen displaying the number of unread messages, or the next appointment. Something like 80% of the ads displayed taking a picture and/or posting to social networks. Both Android 4 and iOS 5 already made taking a picture easy right from the lockscreen and posting stuff to social networks right on the spot is not a top priority for most people. It's a nice feature, but email/text is much more important in real life.
Damn the hate on this forum even extends to this competition. I don't remotely see how this was rigged, this was all stuff I do on a daily basis: post to twitter, take pictures and upload them to twitter/fb, etc... Not to mention, the image sizes had nothing to do with this, as the taste was completed when the picture was submitted, not when the upload completed. And, both basically took identical pictures of each other.
ACLU Seeks Carrier Smackdown Over Android Updates
Interesting stuff; I'm sure this battle will rage on for a while.
I didn't even read the whole article but from what I could get thru, that is the dumbest crap ever. Updates are a privilege not a right. If you want updates constantly buy a OS vendor specific phone. You have no right to use a phone for a year then get pissed you didn't get the latest OS and return it for a "full refund" that's just ludicrous. Doesn't the ACLU have anything better to do, like I don't know, go after human rights violations instead of getting involved in first world problems, that aren't even real problems. They use "security vulnerabilities" as an excuse, except carriers issue bug fixes and security updates, they just don't necessarily include the latest OS which is what these idiots are crying about.
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Just to add, having a cellphone is a security risk in itself. Lose your device it doesn't matter how secure the OS is your data is now free for the taking. What's next? Mandatory leashes so you can't lose your phone? Embedding the device into your body so it can't be lost? Maybe we should all have GPS enabled alarms implanted in our hands so if you get to far from your phone it starts going off like a bank alarm.
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I didn't even read the whole article but from what I could get thru, that is the dumbest crap ever. Updates are a privilege not a right. If you want updates constantly buy a OS vendor specific phone. You have no right to use a phone for a year then get pissed you didn't get the latest OS and return it for a "full refund" that's just ludicrous. Doesn't the ACLU have anything better to do, like I don't know, go after human rights violations instead of getting involved in first world problems, that aren't even real problems. They use "security vulnerabilities" as an excuse, except carriers issue bug fixes and security updates, they just don't necessarily include the latest OS which is what these idiots are crying about.
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I like to break stuff!
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Just to add, having a cellphone is a security risk in itself. Lose your device it doesn't matter how secure the OS is your data is now free for the taking. What's next? Mandatory leashes so you can't lose your phone? Embedding the device into your body so it can't be lost? Maybe we should all have GPS enabled alarms implanted in our hands so if you get to far from your phone it starts going off like a bank alarm.
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Or maybe will get the true eyePhone (anyone who watches Futurama will get this)...
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Or maybe will get the true eyePhone (anyone who watches Futurama will get this)...
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Looks uncomfortable! Think I'd rather just use Google glass.
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-EViL-KoNCEPTz- said:
Looks uncomfortable! Think I'd rather just use Google glass.
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A little OT, but speaking of it I've heard that Google is requiring developers to provide apps for free and without ads if they wish to develop for the Glass
I think it is more about about antitrust. Because there is limited wireless spectrum, the spectrum is actually heavily regulated. When the carriers who lease that spectrum from the public start colluding, it's a problem.
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and places where Android/Google products fail to address user needs time and time again?
What do independent ROMS/kernel do that Google products aren't tailored to do, or say an unlocked nexus wouldn't be able to do?
What makes android such a great product over say apple (form a dev/programmer/designers 's POV)
zetsui said:
and places where Android/Google products fail to address user needs time and time again?
What do independent ROMS/kernel do that Google products aren't tailored to do, or say an unlocked nexus wouldn't be able to do?
What makes android such a great product over say apple (form a dev/programmer/designers 's POV)
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well, if you aspire to be a programmer, developer, you should have a working knowledge of how any piece of technology operates, the software that handles that wonderful piece of fiberglass, tin, copper and all sorts of fun stuff is usually limited first to the equipment manufacturer, and second to the carrier on which the phone is on. What this means is they gave you a fancy computer that can do all sorts of crazy stuff but they decided it would be unethical so they (in gamers terms) "nerfed" it. Anywho, the only real difference between apple and android is really the way they talk. That being said both apple and android are UNIX based operating systems. Which basically (but not totally) means that they are the same.
What custom ROMS/Kernels allow you to do is take control of the hardware and how it operates. Which means you can do things like emit different frequencies to say, make a car alarm go off; or control the hertz on your processor (make it go faster). Unfortunately, most of the children just want the latest version of android on their phone to look cool.
That being said, a developer and a designer would really have no use for a custom rom, Maybe the developer can keep the files in his phone LOL. However for a programmer, this is a really fun toy. the phone can almost interact with any piece of technology weather it be the new RFID chips in busses and credit cards, wifi, bluetooth, and the obvious radio frequencies.
in conclussion, unless you are developing/programming something that is android specific, or uses some sort of obscure technology within the phone that cant be normally accessed, it essentially useless to have a custom ROM (from a "professional stance"). For the last, I'm not entirely sure what a designer would use it for, maybe to take pretty pictures of the entities they will draw for my manipulation.