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Rafael Rivera has just twitted back that Windows Phones do not have Carrier IQ.
UPDATE: Joe Belfiore has twitted that Windows Phone doesn't have Carrier IQ.
I am glad that Microsoft didn't permit this little "extra" on Windows Phone.
If you don't know Carrier IQ is, you'll be able to find it on the front page of The Huffington Post and other new sites. In short terms, it records anything (and everything) you do on your phone and sent it back to the mothership, Carrier IQ, Inc.
Direct link to The Huffington Post article
**** crazy!!!!!
Blackberry, Nokia, Android, who else !!!!!
vetvito said:
**** crazy!!!!!
Blackberry, Nokia, Android, who else !!!!!
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That basically covers everything, I'm going to make the fairly safe guess that iOS does this in some form or other...
andrewkeith5 said:
That basically covers everything, I'm going to make the fairly safe guess that iOS does this in some form or other...
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IOS had their own scandal a few months ago about tracking users location data and transmitting it.
scoobysnacks said:
IOS had their own scandal a few months ago about tracking users location data and transmitting it.
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Both iOS and Windows Phone have had their moments, but they no where as extensive as this.
andrewkeith5 said:
That basically covers everything, I'm going to make the fairly safe guess that iOS does this in some form or other...
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You guess wrong.
scoobysnacks said:
IOS had their own scandal a few months ago about tracking users location data and transmitting it.
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That "scandal" was proven completely baseless. The GPS data that was stored was never transmitted anywhere, and was the result of a iOS bug (which has been fixed).
Was it also a "scandal" that a bug in NoDo (which I understand has been fixed in Mango) caused WP7 devices to continue to store and transmit users' location data, even when they had specifically opted out of that feature?
Thank god that such a thing isn't allowed in Europe. Therefore it isn't installed on any European device.
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You guess wrong.
That "scandal" was proven completely baseless. The GPS data that was stored was never transmitted anywhere, and was the result of a iOS bug (which has been fixed).
Was it also a "scandal" that a bug in NoDo (which I understand has been fixed in Mango) caused WP7 devices to continue to store and transmit users' location data, even when they had specifically opted out of that feature?
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I smell an angry IOS fanboy lol...
Proof that was proven to be FALSE there fanboy?
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if anything what you said was completely false...
They were logging it, apparently only to point out hot spots and such, though how is that known?
http://9to5mac.com/2011/04/27/apple-sets-the-record-straight-on-location-tracking-promises-fix/
Sorry fanboy, but I'm not the fanboy here. I just have zero tolerance for hyperbole (and illiteracy, since you apparently are not able to read the link you posted, which confirms exactly what I posted earlier). And FYI, I don't even own an iPhone.
And I notice that you also conveniently ignored the fact that Microsoft was transmitting user location data from WP7 devices, and was sued for it in September.
morpheuszg said:
Thank god that such a thing isn't allowed in Europe. Therefore it isn't installed on any European device.
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On the Evo 3D, where much of this began, the European/GSM version of the phone actually has the ability to log more than the CDMA one. But, it's also important to note that just because it logs, or has the ability to log, something most of that information is never sent anywhere.
The problem is there's absolutely no way to stop it from running without modifying the ROM, so it always sits in the back ground showing down the phone and wasting space. Not to mention the risk of information links.
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Sorry fanboy, but I'm not the fanboy here. I just have zero tolerance for hyperbole (and illiteracy, since you apparently are not able to read the link you posted, which confirms exactly what I posted earlier). And FYI, I don't even own an iPhone.
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This is the Windows Phone section, nobody should be surprised that there might be a bit of a bias in some people. Some things are worth calling out, this is so minor that it could have been left alone.
PG2G said:
This is the Windows Phone section, nobody should be surprised that there might be a bit of a bias in some people. Some things are worth calling out, this is so minor that it could have been left alone.
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You're probably right. I should know what to expect from him, but I let it get the better of me.
In any case (trying to get back on topic), it is a good thing that at least two of the major phone OS companies (Microsoft and Apple) have enough respect for their customers' privacy to not allow CIQ on their phones. The only thing that concerns me is that Nokia has apparently been favorable to it on their other phones. I just hope this doesn't end up affecting WP7/WP8 down the road.
I like how you ignored the quote I posted lol..
For the record, carrier IQ was also found on IOS
http://mobile.theverge.com/2011/11/30/2601875/carrier-iq-references-discovered-apple-ios-iphone
I guess I'm glad my HD2 is now running Mango instead of Gingerbread.
What bothers me is that people believe ciq is bad, but when microsoft has a backdoor that allows them to remotely remove applications, its considered acceptable. If that backdoor is possible, who's to say they can't turn on or install ciq anytime they want ?
This is not an ios/android/bb/wp issue, if you leave the door open, it will be used.
Root, rom, irradicate ?
I personally am not of the opinion that CIQ is bad. Let's be honest, we know from the London riots earlier this year that it clearly isn't used by the authorities as it took weeks for Blackberry to give up their BBM logs.
In my opinion, if you've nothing to hide you've nothing to worry about it. I don't have a problem with my phone logging what I do - it might make it easier to find and fix a fault one day - but then, I don't have anything to hide. If I did, I probably would use something a bit more secure than the base apps on my off-the-shelf mobile.
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What bothers me is that people believe ciq is bad, but when microsoft has a backdoor that allows them to remotely remove applications, its considered acceptable.
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First of all, when MS has some "backdoor" in their OS, that´s ok, if RIM has on theirs BB OS, that´s ok, if Apple has one on their iOS, that´s also ok. But if a third party company has this kind of malware on the device, that´s not OK.
Another thing, why are you so sure that MS has some kind of backdoor on Windows Phone 7 OS?
Why did Robo disappear when it was confirmed this was found on iOS?
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What bothers me is that people believe ciq is bad, but when microsoft has a backdoor that allows them to remotely remove applications, its considered acceptable. If that backdoor is possible, who's to say they can't turn on or install ciq anytime they want ?
This is not an ios/android/bb/wp issue, if you leave the door open, it will be used.
Root, rom, irradicate ?
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IOS, blackberry, and android all have remote removal and remote wipe cabilitites on their phones as well. To my knowledge none of the companies (including Microsoft) have ever used the remote uninstall capability.
andrewkeith5 said:
I personally am not of the opinion that CIQ is bad. Let's be honest, we know from the London riots earlier this year that it clearly isn't used by the authorities as it took weeks for Blackberry to give up their BBM logs.
In my opinion, if you've nothing to hide you've nothing to worry about it. I don't have a problem with my phone logging what I do - it might make it easier to find and fix a fault one day - but then, I don't have anything to hide. If I did, I probably would use something a bit more secure than the base apps on my off-the-shelf mobile.
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It has less to do with having something to hide than having information misused. There have been plenty of people convicted of crimes they did not commit. And that info could be used to prosecute you for someone else's crime. Criminals don't necessarily carry a phone that is tracking their location.
http://www.muckrock.com/news/archiv...rrier-iq-files-used-law-enforcement-purposes/
Thanks all you devs for keeping us safe from the people who are supposed to be keeping is safe!
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http://www.muckrock.com/news/archiv...rrier-iq-files-used-law-enforcement-purposes/
Thanks all you devs for keeping us safe from the people who are supposed to be keeping is safe!
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Looks like the FOIA request was denied because the data the FBI has is currently part of an investigation. It is possible that the investigation is into CarrierIQ instead of some person. It may be sign of a good thing.
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That's some scary stuff.. so since my phone is rooted.. they can't do this? Honestly.. I've never doubted the fact that the FBI or the government had the ability to trace my calls and see everything I did.. In my plot to take over the world I.. I never planned to use a cell phone
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Dwayneiztheshyt said:
That's some scary stuff.. so since my phone is rooted.. they can't do this? Honestly.. I've never doubted the fact that the FBI or the government had the ability to trace my calls and see everything I did.. In my plot to take over the world I.. I never planned to use a cell phone
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lol.. hopefully they use it for the greater good.... thats all i would have to say, there is a lot of sickos out there.
Dwayneiztheshyt said:
That's some scary stuff.. so since my phone is rooted.. they can't do this? Honestly.. I've never doubted the fact that the FBI or the government had the ability to trace my calls and see everything I did.. In my plot to take over the world I.. I never planned to use a cell phone
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Your phone has to be more than rooted to get rid of CarrierIQ, it needs to have a custom ROM as well that states that it has CIQ removed. Unnamed ROM is the best I have used so far.
But if they want to know something, they will find a way. I think, however, we should not make it easy for them.
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Your phone has to be more than rooted to get rid of CarrierIQ, it needs to have a custom ROM as well that states that it has CIQ removed. Unnamed ROM is the best I have used so far.
But if they want to know something, they will find a way. I think, however, we should not make it easy for them.
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Aha ha I agree!
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Your phone has to be more than rooted to get rid of CarrierIQ, it needs to have a custom ROM as well that states that it has CIQ removed. Unnamed ROM is the best I have used so far.
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Actually you can disable CIQ once you are rooted without needing a custom ROM.
the worst part about ciq and other non government agencies collecting data is that they are used by the fbi and cia to share info... which is illegal through direct channels. also, a third party collecting our info and delivering it to the carriers is totally unacceptable. theres tons of threads in the OG epic forums... as thats where konane first found and decided to kill CIQ. i honestly wonder if all the anti-ciq stuff really started there... then the tech pundit sites reported what was in these forums as usual... then the mainstream noticed... idunno. as far as plots to take over the world/bring down systems... keep it analog like good music. all the major telecoms have an open door policy w the feds... so its not like they would need CIQ for normal investigations... and they have a grace period to get warrants after they look at the info... patriot acts sealed the fate of privacy and liberty in this country. all because of a now dead boogeyman living in a cave... good job america... something about a jackboot on a human head... forever...
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nivron said:
Looks like the FOIA request was denied because the data the FBI has is currently part of an investigation. It is possible that the investigation is into CarrierIQ instead of some person. It may be sign of a good thing.
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It's the FBI. You don't think while they are combing through all that data while investigating CIQ they won't "stumble" upon certain things? Or mirror those servers? Or realize how useful to them CIQ is and say they've found nothing wrong with what CIQ or the carriers are doing?
Do you think for a moment the FBI isn't already using CIQ as a resource to catch 'terrorists'? Like how the airlines use full body scanners and the TSA to catch 'terrorists' with the same high (lmao!) efficiency.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2011/12/12/fbi-says-carrieriq-may-be-used-in-law-enforcement-proceedings/
Not saying you think any of that, just making a point. I'm pretty sure most of us are on the same page with this crap.
I think even if it is big brother watching over us, who cares? For the 99.99999999% of the US population, nothing your talking about is that important or a danger, for the small fraction of the folks that this applies to, i welcome it. I do however take issue with the fact that once the lid was blown off, how the company responded (legal action against Treve) and their continued un-truth's. Do we really think that this sort of monitoring isn't taking place now? Pretty much anytime you use a computer/IT resource for any company or agency, you consent to monitoring, the difference is declaration.
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Actually you can disable CIQ once you are rooted without needing a custom ROM.
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Actually the code may be embedded deeper than we thought. Not just at the system or kernel level, but further. I'm no microprocessor engineer but doesn't almost every chip have instruction sets or at least some sort of code written into it? Because when CIQ itself says one of the 3 methods of loading it on the device is at the hardware level - that's what it sounds like to me. Literally the chips are programed with CIQ in the code.
Remove that.
then we would have to disable it in drivers
xlGmanlx said:
I think even if it is big brother watching over us, who cares? For the 99.99999999% of the US population, nothing your talking about is that important or a danger, for the small fraction of the folks that this applies to, i welcome it. I do however take issue with the fact that once the lid was blown off, how the company responded (legal action against Treve) and their continued un-truth's. Do we really think that this sort of monitoring isn't taking place now? Pretty much anytime you use a computer/IT resource for any company or agency, you consent to monitoring, the difference is declaration.
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Oh man, here we go with the "I don't have anything to hide so why should I care" section of this conversation.
I'm not embarrassed about having sex but I sure as hell am not going to let you watch. It's called privacy. Has nothing to do with having things to hide, it has to do with the basic human right to have our own space, time, thoughts, gadgets, property, voice, opinion, and so on.
There are no saints either. Everybody has lied, cheated, stolen, done something wrong that would get them in trouble. Sometimes it was a mistake or even an accident. Does that mean black helicopters should have descended on you to whisk you away to a 5x5 cell without trial? No, and why without trial? Because at this point they don't need a warrant and as per the Patriot Act you don't even have to be charged with something to be held for, well, forever. So no trial is the next logical step.
Just a little interesting fact, the US Patriot Act is actually an acronym for "Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act"
just calling out the fact that more than likely this already takes place and we didn't even know it before and how many CIQ's were there before them? Also, I think you are making the same similar leap. CIQ is step one, step 2 is no trial/minority report type tactics? I agree that privacy when possible should be maintained, but lets not be naive and think that it hasn't already happened.
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Prime example of the worst offender? Facebook, yet no one is up in arms about that......
I never doubted the gov would trace. Glad its gone.
This whole CIQ thing is being blown out of proportion if you ask me.
If you have nothing to hide then you really shouldn't worry, regardless.
At the end of the day these agencies are trying to help protect us weather you believe it or not. Just like with every system there are flaws that doesn't mean we should abolish them, but rather make them better !!
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just calling out the fact that more than likely this already takes place and we didn't even know it before and how many CIQ's were there before them? Also, I think you are making the same similar leap. CIQ is step one, step 2 is no trial/minority report type tactics? I agree that privacy when possible should be maintained, but lets not be naive and think that it hasn't already happened.
Prime example of the worst offender? Facebook, yet no one is up in arms about that......
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You can choose weather or not to participate with Facebook, and it is in their TOS, CIQ however, was not.
pasta1234 said:
This whole CIQ thing is being blown out of proportion if you ask me.
At the end of the day these agencies are trying to help protect us ....
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Protect us from what?
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Agreed, and I believe this was a huge oversight on their part. The point i was trying to make is there are plenty of other spaces where the privacy is willing given away with little notification and facebook is one of them. Hell they have been told they are to comply with any audits for the next 20 years.
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You can choose weather or not to participate with Facebook, and it is in their TOS, CIQ however, was not.
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pasta1234 said:
This whole CIQ thing is being blown out of proportion if you ask me.
If you have nothing to hide then you really shouldn't worry, regardless.
At the end of the day these agencies are trying to help protect us weather you believe it or not. Just like with every system there are flaws that doesn't mean we should abolish them, but rather make them better !!
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Ugh, that argument just makes me sick. Those agencies are trying to protect their livelihood, which comes from protecting us, but it's not the same thing. Police detectives get promotions partly based on their case closure rates, that means they have self interest in closing cases that might not be quite airtight. Because who doesn't want a promotion, with the prestige and money that comes with it. The CIA was certain iraq had WMD's, and was trying to obtain yellowcake uranium from Niger, because blockbuster findings like that lead to more funding, which means more turf for those section directors. They aren't all bad obviously, on the contrary I'm certain most of them want to do the right thing. It's the few that don't because they care more about their career than anything else, or the guy that is trying to do the right thing but simply gets it wrong. Mistakes happen, data gets misread or incorrectly analyzed, and people suffer for it. I don't want to be that unlucky person, so I don't want that crap operating on my phone.
If you're flying soon you might not want to read this:
By taking advantage of two new technologies for the discovery, information gathering and exploitation phases of the attack, and by creating an exploit framework (SIMON) and an Android app (PlaneSploit) that delivers attack messages to the airplanes' Flight Management Systems (computer unit + control display unit), he demonstrated the terrifying ability to take complete control of aircrafts by making virtual planes "dance to his tune."
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http://www.net-security.org/secworld.php?id=14733
Gives a whole new meaning to airplane mode
As scary as that could be, its pretty damn cool at the same time. It's cool to see just how powerful these device's really are underneath their novelty and convenience.
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Gives a whole new meaning to airplane mode
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I see what you did there.
This might be enough to keep me from ever buying another Samsung product ever! Me being in sales that is a cardinal sin to badmouth your competition!
http://www.droiddog.com/android-blog/2013/04/samsung-has-admitted-to-hiring-people-to-badmouth-htc/
In reality everyone talks bad about everyone because its a competition. Everyone wants to come out on top and they will use every resource available to see that happen. At least Samsung had the balls to admit it ( even though it is not right) and not hide behind any other people like other companies do when they get accused of something they did and there is evidence to prove it.
Yeah. I work for chase and I know BOA sucks.
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Who gives a sh*t? HTC lied to the dev community about opening up their device's for easier development then they neutered the unlock tool so it cripples the device and only partially unlocks the bootloader, instead of giving full S-Off or shipping unlocked like they originally promised back in 2011. I used to like HTC until they started making it such a pain in the ass to unlock them. Competing company's bash each others products all the time. Look at the windoze/mac commercials and the iphone/galaxy commercials for proof. It's called competition company A isn't gonna go around and say "hey company B has a great product! Go buy it instead of ours" that's just stupid.
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Who gives a sh*t? HTC lied to the dev community about opening up their device's for easier development then they neutered the unlock tool so it cripples the device and only partially unlocks the bootloader, instead of giving full S-Off or shipping unlocked like they originally promised back in 2011. I used to like HTC until they started making it such a pain in the ass to unlock them. Competing company's bash each others products all the time. Look at the windoze/mac commercials and the iphone/galaxy commercials for proof. It's called competition company A isn't gonna go around and say "hey company B has a great product! Go buy it instead of ours" that's just stupid.
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BAM!!! :highfive: Nough said. And i doubt that might keep the OP from buying Samsung products. They are simply amazing.
That is not competition! That paying for slander! lol I would expect HTC to find evidence of this and probably file a lawsuit soon!
You know have a catchy commercial tell me why your product is better than others... but when you have to pay someone to talk bad about your competition? You must feel like your product isn't up to par to go to those extremes! That is being desperate!
Pretty pathetic at best in my book! Oh and I own a Note 2!
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That is not competition! That paying for slander! lol I would expect HTC to find evidence of this and probably file a lawsuit soon!
You know have a catchy commercial tell me why your product is better than others... but when you have to pay someone to talk bad about your competition? You must feel like your product isn't up to par to go to those extremes! That is being desperate!
Pretty pathetic at best in my book! Oh and I own a Note 2!
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It's not slander to say you don't like a product in the US we call this freedom of speech.
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Shocks thought this was a xxx picture of JWoww...
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must have been a real challenge to find a Samsung fanboy/girl, LOL
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It's not slander to say you don't like a product in the US we call this freedom of speech.
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You are right on this. Every commercial is usually a bash to a similar product and show why theirs is better than that one. Plus arent they paying tv companies to air these commercials?
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Shocks thought this was a xxx picture of JWoww...
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I dont know why but i would kinda want to see this. Just joking I wouldn't
I can see you're way over your head here. lol
It is border line Slander probably leaning more towards Defamation.
Paying someone to talk bad about you when it may or may not be true is wrong no matter how you sugarcoat it.
If an agent paid some scout to bad mouth you, because the player he was representing was in competition for the same roster spot. Then said you wasn't cut out for the Majors to an owner. They passed you up for a 5 million dollar signing bonus and rather large contract when in all reality you were a bad azz. They sign the other guy. Hmmm... Wonder how you would feel now?
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You are right on this. Every commercial is usually a bash to a similar product and show why theirs is better than that one. Plus arent they paying tv companies to air these commercials?
I dont know why but i would kinda want to see this. Just joking I wouldn't
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And the actors who star in the commercials and the marketing firms and production companies who produce the commercials, etc.
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I can see you're way over your head here. lol
It is border line Slander probably leaning more towards Defamation.
Paying someone to talk bad about you when it may or may not be true is wrong no matter how you sugarcoat it.
If an agent paid some scout to bad mouth you, because the player he was representing was in competition for the same roster spot. Then said you wasn't cut out for the Majors to an owner. They passed you up for a 5 million dollar signing bonus and rather large contract when in all reality you were a bad azz. They sign the other guy. Hmmm... Wonder how you would feel now?
hahaha
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There is absolutely nothing we can do about it anyway so why care? Everyone defamates everyone. Be that sports, technology, retail, anything. Nobody I mean nobody will ever stop that. At least they admitted it. No one else will ever want to admit something like that. Plus since they admitted it its because what they said about HTC products might be true
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I can see you're way over your head here. lol
It is border line Slander probably leaning more towards Defamation.
Paying someone to talk bad about you when it may or may not be true is wrong no matter how you sugarcoat it.
If an agent paid some scout to bad mouth you, because the player he was representing was in competition for the same roster spot. Then said you wasn't cut out for the Majors to an owner. They passed you up for a 5 million dollar signing bonus and rather large contract when in all reality you were a bad azz. They sign the other guy. Hmmm... Wonder how you would feel now?
hahaha
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Too bad your analogy doesn't hold water. They go by what they see not what an agent says in sports, otherwise free agents would never be picked up since they have no one to talk them up to the owners, who BTW don't make the call on which players the team gets the coaches do that. If companies could sue for people talking sh*t about their products then all those iPhone fanboys would be getting sued for talking down every android device ever made, and apple/Microsoft/Samsung etc would be suing each other over commercials and ads constantly. The lawsuits would be considered frivolous and a waste of the courts time. It's flat out stupid to try and sue someone for having an opinion different than yours. To prove slander, libel or defamation you have to prove the person/company stated it as fact and not opinion which is pretty much impossible.
If sh*t like this is allowed to proceed in a court it opens up a door for companies to go around suing every fanboy/site on the internet for disliking their product. That sets a very dangerous precedent boarding on the erosion of the first amendment right to freedom of speech in the US.
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Hey first company to admit it. I'll buy Samsung from now on.
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Too bad your analogy doesn't hold water. They go by what they see not what an agent says in sports, otherwise free agents would never be picked up since they have no one to talk them up to the owners, who BTW don't make the call on which players the team gets the coaches do that. If companies could sue for people talking sh*t about their products then all those iPhone fanboys would be getting sued for talking down every android device ever made, and apple/Microsoft/Samsung etc would be suing each other over commercials and ads constantly. The lawsuits would be considered frivolous and a waste of the courts time. It's flat out stupid to try and sue someone for having an opinion different than yours. To prove slander, libel or defamation you have to prove the person/company stated it as fact and not opinion which is pretty much impossible.
If sh*t like this is allowed to proceed in a court it opens up a door for companies to go around suing every fanboy/site on the internet for disliking their product. That sets a very dangerous precedent boarding on the erosion of the first amendment right to freedom of speech in the US.
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Damn evil you are on fire. It is freedom of speech. There is no control over it.
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Hey first company to admit it. I'll buy Samsung from now on.
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That's what I'm saying. :thumbup:
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Oh and not only do you have to prove it was stated as fact you also have to prove it did long term damage to your reputation and not just temporary damages, otherwise the case will be dismissed. This is why cases of libel/slander/defamation are typically settled out of court for undisclosed settlements with NDA/gagorders intact. If most libel/slander/defamation cases went to court they woukd be either dismissed or lost, at least in the US where freedom of speech is a protected right which makes it very difficult to sue someone over words. Most attorneys won't touch these cases with a 200 foot pole since they don't want to be seen as anti freedom of speech/civil liberties.
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-EViL-KoNCEPTz- said:
Too bad your analogy doesn't hold water. They go by what they see not what an agent says in sports, otherwise free agents would never be picked up since they have no one to talk them up to the owners, who BTW don't make the call on which players the team gets the coaches do that. If companies could sue for people talking sh*t about their products then all those iPhone fanboys would be getting sued for talking down every android device ever made, and apple/Microsoft/Samsung etc would be suing each other over commercials and ads constantly. The lawsuits would be considered frivolous and a waste of the courts time. It's flat out stupid to try and sue someone for having an opinion different than yours. To prove slander, libel or defamation you have to prove the person/company stated it as fact and not opinion which is pretty much impossible.
If sh*t like this is allowed to proceed in a court it opens up a door for companies to go around suing every fanboy/site on the internet for disliking their product. That sets a very dangerous precedent boarding on the erosion of the first amendment right to freedom of speech in the US.
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Twist it how you like... "I see what you're doing there" hahaha The door is already open dude! If they subpoena documents where they show small payments to individuals and emails stating what they want them to carry out, not going to be hard to prosecute that! So your statement doesn't hold water.
Dealing with children here... SMH If you only knew half of what you think you do we would be getting somewhere. lol
Not trying to attack your precious phone builder so don't get your panties all wadded up! Just bringing the news... Most of my phones over the last 12 years I have been with Sprint have been Samsung. I have also bought my share of HTC phones that I didn't like and sent back.
How much you wanna bet there is a Lawsuit going to come out of this? Would you bet your house on it? I bet not!
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Oh and not only do you have to prove it was stated as fact you also have to prove it did long term damage to your reputation and not just temporary damages, otherwise the case will be dismissed. This is why cases of libel/slander/defamation are typically settled out of court for undisclosed settlements with NDA/gagorders intact. If most libel/slander/defamation cases went to court they woukd be either dismissed or lost, at least in the US where freedom of speech is a protected right which makes it very difficult to sue someone over words. Most attorneys won't touch these cases with a 200 foot pole since they don't want to be seen as anti freedom of speech/civil liberties.
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That is a bunch of BS right there! Glad your not my business owner or attorney! hahaha
You can have your opinion. I just got done laughing a public adjuster firm out of court that tried to sue my company for defamation after they committed fraud and we called them on it. They are now facing criminal charges for said fraud as well.
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The worse that will come of this is a backroom settlement for an undisclosed amount and we'll never hear about it again after that.
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I can't be the only one who's noticed that there's a bunch of people on this forum, who for whatever reason seem to be on some kind of campaign. These people are insisting that Note 7 owners must power them off and return them and they take every opportunity to say that the phone is a huge danger and that no only must all handsets be returned, but that the networks and Samsung must block the devices. It goes far beyond the occasional post and the odd comment. It's repeated, vitriolic, aggressive, confrontational and dogmatic.
Fine upstanding citizens these people may be and perhaps they are so motivated to ensure the safety of their fellow humans. But I seriously doubt that. I doubt most of them surely don't care a damn about the safety of other phone users. So what's driving this campaign of vitriol? Why are these people not simply making their point and moving on? Is it because they have surrendered their devices and don't like others still enjoying their Note 7's? is it because they are somehow feeling inadequate and feel the need to demonstrate their superiority?
I can't remember circumstances before where so many self-rightous, sanctimonious vigilantes have sprung up who seem hell bent on TELLING others what they must do.
I'd like to say to all of them, what people do with their own Note 7's is a matter entirely for them, their supplier and their mobile operator. That's it. Beyond that, it's NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.
For those with eyes. IRIS = SIRI, reverse engineering.
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On a serious Note, yes there are moles on here. Think different? Think for yourself! If you want to keep your Note 7, then do it! The only "proof" that there ever was a fault was through the media. Remember, the media is not your friend!
Happy to still keep using mine (is slated for swap out to S7E which is not the phone I forked out $1350 for, that is for sure!)
My phone survived a huge cooking with the Oculus dodgy update, so I feel it is one of the good ones
I know some users here who definitely match your discussed behaviour though!
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I was actually thinking of making a thread exactly like this.
I, too, have noticed this. I truly think they are former Note 7 owners who wish they'd kept their devices. They know they made the wrong choice giving it up, and are now stuck using a device that has half the features. And as they stare at their crappy phone, they fill with rage that other people still have Note 7s and are enjoying them to the fullest.
Nobody is taking my Note 7 away from me, that's for sure. This device is so far ahead of everything else. It's better than 90% of 2017's devices will be.
I had the exact same thoughts as well. Very unlike XDA forum members, who are in general all about doing whatever they want with their devices, regardless of who says what.
I will be returning mine for a refund at the latest possible moment, since unfortunately the idea of keeping it indefinitely with no future updates and no Oculus support, doesn't work for me.
But it's kind of irrelevant what I will be doing with mine. The point is, it's entirely up to me and I am sick and tired of people who I don't know, nor care to know, telling me THEY know better.
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I was actually thinking of making a thread exactly like this.
I, too, have noticed this. I truly think they are former Note 7 owners who wish they'd kept their devices. They know they made the wrong choice giving it up, and are now stuck using a device that has half the features. And as they stare at their crappy phone, they fill with rage that other people still have Note 7s and are enjoying them to the fullest.
Nobody is taking my Note 7 away from me, that's for sure. This device is so far ahead of everything else. It's better than 90% of 2017's devices will be.
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I don't miss mine one bit. Care to keep generalizing? Maybe we just don't want our aircraft cabins filled with toxic fumes from smoldering batteries, as UNLIKELY as an event that may be. I for one don't mind people keeping their N7's. Do what you will. I do find it comical that people with small children in the home are hardcore defending keeping the device, however. Even though the slightest possibility of a device going up in smoke is slim to none, the safety of my family comes first. No amount of iris scanners and expandable storage can make up for a potential fire hazard in the home.
this forum is about people interesred in this device, I got my replacement, and I am happy with it, besides my carrier will keep a one year warranty, so, it is a good deal for me, in my country there is no mandatory recall, so, they can not force anybody to surrender the phone, also by no means , they wont block/deactivate remotely, as it woul be considered against your consumer rights, I started a thread about over sensitive s pen, and only thing I got was "get rid of your note7" in my opinion, this kind of replies defeat the entire purpose of this portal, that is helping and improving, there are lots of people keeping their note7, so, whoever returned, or backed from a note 7, should show some respect to those keeping it
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I don't miss mine one bit. Care to keep generalizing? Maybe we just don't want our aircraft cabins filled with toxic fumes from smoldering batteries, as UNLIKELY as an event that may be. I for one don't mind people keeping their N7's. Do what you will. I do find it comical that people with small children in the home are hardcore defending keeping the device, however. Even though the slightest possibility of a device going up in smoke is slim to none, the safety of my family comes first. No amount of iris scanners and expandable storage can make up for a potential fire hazard in the home.
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this forum is about people interesred in this device, I got my replacement, and I am happy with it, besides my carrier will keep a one year warranty, so, it is a good deal for me, in my country there is no mandatory recall, so, they can not force anybody to surrender the phone, also by no means , they wont block/deactivate remotely, as it woul be considered against your consumer rights, I started a thread about over sensitive s pen, and only thing I got was "get rid of your note7" in my opinion, this kind of replies defeat the entire purpose of this portal, that is helping and improving, there are lots of people keeping their note7, so, whoever returned, or backed from a note 7, should show some respect to those keeping it
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What country are you in out of interest. I'm in the UK and I'm not entirely sure if it's voluntary or mandatory. Also if it is voluntary then we may still get some updates which at the very least means security patches. I hope.
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It is evident on other Android Forums too, I got "Warnings" and had my Posts outright Deleted when I posted this link:
https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/32960624/iphone-7-catches-fire-destroys-vehicle/#page1
(Strange how the reporter's name is Niamh)
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andoxviii said:
I was actually thinking of making a thread exactly like this.
I, too, have noticed this. I truly think they are former Note 7 owners who wish they'd kept their devices. They know they made the wrong choice giving it up, and are now stuck using a device that has half the features. And as they stare at their crappy phone, they fill with rage that other people still have Note 7s and are enjoying them to the fullest.
Nobody is taking my Note 7 away from me, that's for sure. This device is so far ahead of everything else. It's better than 90% of 2017's devices will be.
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I agree. I was actually an unfortunate Pre-ordered Note 7 customer who never got theirs in time due to the recall and have even posted asking if anyone who has one instead of returning it I would buy it from them. It was ignored by a moderator who in turn replied to the previous poster asking if they had received their 'fireproof' return shipping box.
Either these are shills or are just hypnotized by the recent mass media campaign and genuinely believe the Note 7's are dangerous. Yet you need to question that when you post clear evidence that even today's news is showing iPhones exploding and destroying cars.
People are either brainwashed or are working undercover counter intelligence
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I can't be the only one who's noticed that there's a bunch of people on this forum, who for whatever reason seem to be on some kind of campaign. These people are insisting that Note 7 owners must power them off and return them and they take every opportunity to say that the phone is a huge danger and that no only must all handsets be returned, but that the networks and Samsung must block the devices. It goes far beyond the occasional post and the odd comment. It's repeated, vitriolic, aggressive, confrontational and dogmatic.
Fine upstanding citizens these people may be and perhaps they are so motivated to ensure the safety of their fellow humans. But I seriously doubt that. I doubt most of them surely don't care a damn about the safety of other phone users. So what's driving this campaign of vitriol? Why are these people not simply making their point and moving on? Is it because they have surrendered their devices and don't like others still enjoying their Note 7's? is it because they are somehow feeling inadequate and feel the need to demonstrate their superiority?
I can't remember circumstances before where so many self-rightous, sanctimonious vigilantes have sprung up who seem hell bent on TELLING others what they must do.
I'd like to say to all of them, what people do with their own Note 7's is a matter entirely for them, their supplier and their mobile operator. That's it. Beyond that, it's NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.
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Samsung is also one of these people who keep telling to give back your phone... weird...
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I don't miss mine one bit. Care to keep generalizing? Maybe we just don't want our aircraft cabins filled with toxic fumes from smoldering batteries, as UNLIKELY as an event that may be. I for one don't mind people keeping their N7's. Do what you will. I do find it comical that people with small children in the home are hardcore defending keeping the device, however. Even though the slightest possibility of a device going up in smoke is slim to none, the safety of my family comes first. No amount of iris scanners and expandable storage can make up for a potential fire hazard in the home.
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I don't plan on taking my personal phone (Note 7 w8) into an airplane. I plan on using my work iPhone for that.
Nor do I have children.
And if all you see is an iris scanner and expandable storage when you look at the Note 7, then this device isn't for you anyways.
Check out the Samsung.com website of your country. To see if the recall is voluntary or mandatory. All sites will ask you to power down and exchange for another Galaxy model ?
?hardcore signatures?
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I've not posted in the various other threads on this topic but to the starter of this thread, how would you feel if someone posted pretty much what you said but instead of talking about the note 7 it was talking about drinking and driving?
Many of us live in societies with incredible levels of self entitlement. People believing that they are special and rules don't apply to them. It's not really about YOUR safety it's about the safety of people around you. That is the real issue. While some of the people who are keeping their phones may never take it outside their house I don't for a second believe that none of them will take them on planes, subways, etc. Just like drinking and driving you may get away with it for a very long time but it only takes one time to change your life forever. In order to keep a note 7 as normal it requires you to actively circumvent updates from Samsung. If something goes wrong and someone dies there will be no "I didn't realize" defense. You absolutely will be going to jail.
As for myself I surrendered my note 7 yesterday. I was sad to see such a great phone go to waste but I have no regrets. I respect my safety and that of others around me too much to take a risk. I fly frequently and don't need any headaches like this.
I don't for a second think that Samusung is taking this **** kicking, both financially and to their reputation for fun. I think it's wise to heed their advice and replace the phone.
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I've not posted in the various other threads on this topic but to the starter of this thread, how would you feel if someone posted pretty much what you said but instead of talking about the note 7 it was talking about drinking and driving?
Many of us live in societies with incredible levels of self entitlement. People believing that they are special and rules don't apply to them. It's not really about YOUR safety it's about the safety of people around you. That is the real issue. While some of the people who are keeping their phones may never take it outside their house I don't for a second believe that none of them will take them on planes, subways, etc. Just like drinking and driving you may get away with it for a very long time but it only takes one time to change your life forever. In order to keep a note 7 as normal it requires you to actively circumvent updates from Samsung. If something goes wrong and someone dies there will be no "I didn't realize" defense. You absolutely will be going to jail.
As for myself I surrendered my note 7 yesterday. I was sad to see such a great phone go to waste but I have no regrets. I respect my safety and that of others around me too much to take a risk. I fly frequently and don't need any headaches like this.
I don't for a second think that Samusung is taking this **** kicking, both financially and to their reputation for fun. I think it's wise to heed their advice and replace the phone.
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Great - good for you. No need to repeat it any more.
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Check out the Samsung.com website of your country. To see if the recall is voluntary or mandatory. All sites will ask you to power down and exchange for another Galaxy model
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As you say. Ask.
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Great - good for you. No need to repeat it any more.
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Not planning too. I know it's a waste of time trying to convince people so I don't try. You asked a question, I answered it.
And you never answered my question.
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Not planning too. I know it's a waste of time trying to convince people so I don't try. You asked a question, I answered it.
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Thanks.
EDIT: Sorry I missed your question. The answer is, the two are not comparable. Drinking and driving is proven to be extremely dangerous. Note 7's are proven to be pretty safe. The issue is that they are not as safe as some people would like, but to compare the levels of risk to that of driving a car whilst drunk, is misleading.
There's already a flight ban in place and people I would imagine are sensible enough to respect that. I know I would. And regards the public safety risk more generally, NO-ONE has suffered serious injury and there have been no deaths out of 4 million units shipped. Worst case, the device is going to catch fire and guess what - people will put it out. The idea that automatically when a phone catches fire then some kind of apocalypse occurs, is also misleading. These are fundamentally fairly safe devices. Samsung however necessarily look at it down the other end of the telescope since they are responsible for all 4 million devices and whereas the chance of you or I having an issue with our phone is very very low, the chances of Samsung having an issue with one of the 4 million of their phones, is very very high. That's why they needed to cancel the phone, not because any one phone is intrinsically dangerous - it is not.
I am of the belief that some, not all, of the owners who returned their Note 7's would be better served with an iPhone anyways. Those are the one's that take a shine toward being dominated in every aspect of their lives.