Hello guys, I am looking to buy the new Galaxy S4 and I have a few questions regarding how Samsung devices generally work. I figured I'd ask on this forum because of how popular and well respected this device is. If anyone could answer just one of the following questions, I would GREATLY appreciate it. Thanks!
1) Developer support: This is a biggie. I love custom ROMs, AOSP, Kernels, all the works. I noticed that the S3 is split up to multiple different forums based on carriers. Does this split harm the development community? Are some devices more support than others? Could you flash ROMs or kernels from different carriers or are you guys strictly locked to the T-Mobile forums?
2) Reason for the split: Just curious, why exactly is each device separate? Do they each honestly have different radios bands / hardware that makes them completely different? On my One S we could flash ROMs / kernels / radios based on either carrier or international with no issue either way; we also have just one forum.
3) Headphones: Coming from many HTC devices, I never had issues with headphone controls (play/pause, answer/hangup, mic, next/previous). Do Samsung devices fully support headphone controls and mic? I have a pair of Beats with controlTalk optimized for iCraps; they work well on my current device and was wondering the probability them working on the new one.
The reason why I ask here and not on the S4 forums is because no one has an S4 or any real knowledge of that device, WHAT SO EVER. You guys have the device and are sane! Thanks again!
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Closed Source Project said:
Hello guys, I am looking to buy the new Galaxy S4 and I have a few questions regarding how Samsung devices generally work. I figured I'd ask on this forum because of how popular and well respected this device is. If anyone could answer just one of the following questions, I would GREATLY appreciate it. Thanks!
1) Developer support: This is a biggie. I love custom ROMs, AOSP, Kernels, all the works. I noticed that the S3 is split up to multiple different forums based on carriers. Does this split harm the development community? Are some devices more support than others? Could you flash ROMs or kernels from different carriers or are you guys strictly locked to the T-Mobile forums?
2) Reason for the split: Just curious, why exactly is each device separate? Do they each honestly have different radios bands / hardware that makes them completely different? On my One S we could flash ROMs / kernels / radios based on either carrier or international with no issue either way; we also have just one forum.
3) Headphones: Coming from many HTC devices, I never had issues with headphone controls (play/pause, answer/hangup, mic, next/previous). Do Samsung devices fully support headphone controls and mic? I have a pair of Beats with controlTalk optimized for iCraps; they work well on my current device and was wondering the probability them working on the new one.
The reason why I ask here and not on the S4 forums is because no one has an S4 or any real knowledge of that device, WHAT SO EVER. You guys have the device and are sane! Thanks again!
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1. Generally, yes. But, doesn't seem have affected the S3. Many of the ROMs are supported either by dev(or team) making multiple ROMs, one ROM that supports all, or AROMA installer to choose.
Could you flash other ROMs, kernels, etc? Depends. Some, yes you can straight up flash it. Others, absolutely not. Others, you may have to tweek the build prop BEFORE it's flashed. T-Mobile and AT&T ROMs are usually the two that can. But, you need to find out if it can. Most ROMs will say other carrier support in their name.
2. Different radios, this, that, carrier specific goodies. But, mainly to help with organization.
3. Yes.
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Just thinking it might be a good idea. The NexusS forum suffers from some confusion from time to time
Booooo.
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I like this idea.
it'll be the same as Nexus S
it's the same phone, so there is not gonna be a separate forum
there is no confusion, it's just different radio bands
a well made ROM will not matter which phone is flashed to, it will simply work just like on the Nexus S
this also defines good DEVeloper vs your regular phone Cooks & Kangs
AllGamer said:
it'll be the same as Nexus S
it's the same phone, so there is not gonna be a separate forum
there is no confusion, it's just different radio bands
a well made ROM will not matter which phone is flashed to, it will simply work just like on the Nexus S
this also defines good DEVeloper vs your regular phone Cooks & Kangs
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I don't get how a single ROM will work on both versions?
They are identified as two different devices: maguro and toro, and the build code for the two will be different, mainly to select the correct RIL library: the Samsung GSM RIL library vs. the as-yet-known CDMA/LTE RIL library.
It should be trivial to build the same ROM for both devices: just use the right build files and the right RIL binaries. But the end product will still be two different ROM images that will have to be downloaded separately.
AllGamer said:
it'll be the same as Nexus S
it's the same phone, so there is not gonna be a separate forum
there is no confusion, it's just different radio bands
a well made ROM will not matter which phone is flashed to, it will simply work just like on the Nexus S
this also defines good DEVeloper vs your regular phone Cooks & Kangs
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What? The Nexus S has seperate developer forums for the NS4G and the GSM version.
Yea. They can share the same QA and General forums. Perhaps even a general development forum for general tweaks and mods.
General
Q&A
General Dev
GSM Dev
CDMA Dev
Themes and Apps
G2x - 2.3.7 CM7
Transformer - 3.2 Revolver OC/UV
Chirality said:
I don't get how a single ROM will work on both versions?
They are identified as two different devices: maguro and toro, and the build code for the two will be different, mainly to select the correct RIL library: the Samsung GSM RIL library vs. the as-yet-known CDMA/LTE RIL library.
It should be trivial to build the same ROM for both devices: just use the right build files and the right RIL binaries. But the end product will still be two different ROM images that will have to be downloaded separately.
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This. They use different RILs and different binaries for the same build. I don't see how a single rom could work for both devices nor recall any on the nexus s side that claim to.
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AllGamer said:
it'll be the same as Nexus S
it's the same phone, so there is not gonna be a separate forum
there is no confusion, it's just different radio bands
a well made ROM will not matter which phone is flashed to, it will simply work just like on the Nexus S
this also defines good DEVeloper vs your regular phone Cooks & Kangs
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Hey... The shooter wishes to speak with you. Along with all the fantastic devs in our forum who understand the need to have a cdma and gsm forum.
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AllGamer said:
it'll be the same as Nexus S
it's the same phone, so there is not gonna be a separate forum
there is no confusion, it's just different radio bands
a well made ROM will not matter which phone is flashed to, it will simply work just like on the Nexus S
this also defines good DEVeloper vs your regular phone Cooks & Kangs
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The ROMs will be very similar, but you won't be able to use the same one on both models. At very minimum you'll have to use the Verizon network stack on the CDMA one that will make its ROM different.
It is a good idea to have a separate cdma developer forum just as their is in the Nexus S section. Keeping the cdma version of roms separate from the gsm version will save a lot of people a lot of trouble. Otherwise there's going to be a lot of bricking going on.
I badly want to help get CM9 working, or at least learn from trying, on the T-Mobile variant of the GS3. I'm a pretty decent hacker, but I know I don't have enough / any experience with the Android OS / Kernel development to work on the GSM/LTE portions of the ROM. However, I feel that if someone could help me and anyone else interested to get the toolchain setup and source properly downloaded, we could help with the easier portions of the ROM and learn a little about the complex portions of the ROM just by watching what the more experienced devs are doing.
Right now, it seems like ...maybe.. a few people are working on their own rather than a collaborative effort (except the Sprint variant that has Team Epic working on a ROM). I don't want to slow progress by taking up a bunch of valuable dev time, but if one person could just help get some of the less experienced people off the ground, we could probably accelerate this effort...
In the meantime, would you guys mind posting some links to the best resources you have found for getting started building CM or even building Android in general? It doesn't really matter if it's a guide for a different device. I have searched but there is so much information missing in sources I have found.
Thank You,
KevlarTheGreat
Count one more.
I would love to get involved. I have a good amount of Linux and C experience (7+ years), but need a good place to start with Android ROM development (specifically for the GS3).
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mybook4 said:
Count one more.
I would love to get involved. I have a good amount of Linux and C experience (7+ years), but need a good place to start with Android ROM development (specifically for the GS3).
Sent from my Glitchy CM9 Fascinate
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M'ladies and gents, couldeth you count a third member of this exquisite inquiry.
Team Epic is sorting it out, just be patient:good:
http://www.epiccm.org/2012/06/sprint-sgs3-cm9-development-plan.html
That is if it truly works on all carriers phones without trouble.
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Team Epic is sorting it out, just be patient:good:
http://www.epiccm.org/2012/06/sprint-sgs3-cm9-development-plan.html
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From what I understand, they are sorting it out for Sprint but T-Mobile is much different because it's GSM. Here is their reply to me when I asked if there would be CWM install scripts that would support both T-Mobile and Sprint from the same ROM:
From this post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=28021070&postcount=23
CMTeamEpic said:
No, there will not be ROM's that work on all variants. CDMA and GSM are quite different.
The tools like CWM will work on all variants (if made properly) because they don't use the radios.
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I'm a bit surprised at this answer because I'm coming from the HD2 where tytung has two different versions of the kernel in his amazing CM9 ROM. It chooses which one to install automatically based on which radio support you have PPP vs RMNET.
There doesn't seem to be more than one or two roms for the verizon n2 so I have to ask a somewhat silly question- is there a way to port or use roms posted here? I came from the S3 and there are tons there but was shocked to find low support for the n2 until I saw the many roms in this forum. Of course it was impossible to mix carriers on the S3, so are these roms strictly for the ww version or what?
XDA People,
(Sorry for my bad English). I am in the way to change the ROM in my TMO Galaxy SIII device. I don't live in the States, and a friend sent to me this phone. But, I feel this device has a few things I don't like (missing fm tuner, impossibility use of Samsung Dive, and others). I came from a Galaxy SII international, which had this tools, and Tmobile, for whatever reason, drop off many features.
The question is: Can I use a ROM who give back this capabilities of other Galaxy SIII models? I understand that if I use, for example, Cyanogen for TMO, I will be in the same route again... without the mentioned features.
If I can choose, I pick the international version of Galaxy SIII, but putting a ROM for the int'l device... will broke mine?
Thank you in advance.
Tito
tito_xda said:
XDA People,
(Sorry for my bad English). I am in the way to change the ROM in my TMO Galaxy SIII device. I don't live in the States, and a friend sent to me this phone. But, I feel this device has a few things I don't like (missing fm tuner, impossibility use of Samsung Dive, and others). I came from a Galaxy SII international, which had this tools, and Tmobile, for whatever reason, drop off many features.
The question is: Can I use a ROM who give back this capabilities of other Galaxy SIII models? I understand that if I use, for example, Cyanogen for TMO, I will be in the same route again... without the mentioned features.
If I can choose, I pick the international version of Galaxy SIII, but putting a ROM for the int'l device... will broke mine?
Thank you in advance.
Tito
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Not sure about the other questions, but do not install any international rom on your phone.
tito_xda said:
XDA People,
(Sorry for my bad English). I am in the way to change the ROM in my TMO Galaxy SIII device. I don't live in the States, and a friend sent to me this phone. But, I feel this device has a few things I don't like (missing fm tuner, impossibility use of Samsung Dive, and others). I came from a Galaxy SII international, which had this tools, and Tmobile, for whatever reason, drop off many features.
The question is: Can I use a ROM who give back this capabilities of other Galaxy SIII models? I understand that if I use, for example, Cyanogen for TMO, I will be in the same route again... without the mentioned features.
If I can choose, I pick the international version of Galaxy SIII, but putting a ROM for the int'l device... will broke mine?
Thank you in advance.
Tito
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The FM tuner, Samsung (not T-Mobile) didn't include in (at least the US variants) the phones. No clue what Samsung Drive is, but installing a variation of AOSP will get you less (if hardly any) Samsung features - again, this is nothing to do with T-Mobile.
MT3G is correct, install ROMs specifically made for the specific phone. T-Mobile USA phones should only install ROMs for T-Mobile USA phone. If you were to get an international SIII, then install the ROMs for the international SIII.
I hope I answered your questions. I tried to answer them how I understood the question.
i dont see why we cant pull the applications from the internation version and use them here... lol
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Don_Perrignon said:
The FM tuner, Samsung (not T-Mobile) didn't include in (at least the US variants) the phones. No clue what Samsung Drive is, but installing a variation of AOSP will get you less (if hardly any) Samsung features - again, this is nothing to do with T-Mobile.
MT3G is correct, install ROMs specifically made for the specific phone. T-Mobile USA phones should only install ROMs for T-Mobile USA phone. If you were to get an international SIII, then install the ROMs for the international SIII.
I hope I answered your questions. I tried to answer them how I understood the question.
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Thank you for the answers. Samsung Dive (not "Drive") in an awsome feature that let the user a complete remote operation of his Samsung Galaxy. Very useful if your phone was stolen or missing. Location of the device at google maps, complete lock of the phone from distance, and, many, many, many others (you can check SansungDive home page), and is completely free!
Unfortunately, TMO remove this beautiful chance from the original international model of the same phone. Also the TMO dialer is not good (missing videocall button) and other stuff removed (why less funcionality?).
Again, thank you all.
Tito
tito_xda said:
Thank you for the answers. Samsung Dive (not "Drive") in an awsome feature that let the user a complete remote operation of his Samsung Galaxy. Very useful if your phone was stolen or missing. Location of the device at google maps, complete lock of the phone from distance, and, many, many, many others (you can check SansungDive home page), and is completely free!
Unfortunately, TMO remove this beautiful chance from the original international model of the same phone. Also the TMO dialer is not good (missing videocall button) and other stuff removed (why less funcionality?).
Again, thank you all.
Tito
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Ok, I see.
Why less? Why is the US always different when the large majority of the world are more unified?
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New to this device and, for the 1st time I find myself in XDA with a forum with all the different Verizon, AT&T and so on version of my device (previously had only devices that would not show these options).
Now I know this question may sound sort of idiotic, but one has to learn somehow: All the different roms listed in the specific carriers areas would not work in the "standard" international version of this device?
I ask this because, compared to most other devices I see that the choice of roms is very, very limited. So i thought that, being able to choose also from the carrier-specific areas, one would have more choice.
Thanks
astrovale said:
New to this device and, for the 1st time I find myself in XDA with a forum with all the different Verizon, AT&T and so on version of my device (previously had only devices that would not show these options).
Now I know this question may sound sort of idiotic, but one has to learn somehow: All the different roms listed in the specific carriers areas would not work in the "standard" international version of this device?
I ask this because, compared to most other devices I see that the choice of roms is very, very limited. So i thought that, being able to choose also from the carrier-specific areas, one would have more choice.
Thanks
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I'm sure someone will be able to provide a more detailed and accurate explanation, but generally you don't want to flash anything not specifically made for your device. At the least you could have connectivity issues, at worst, a bootloop and/or brick depending on the situation.
There are some instances where flashing other variants software is OK, but its not the norm, and should not be assumed you can flash any, just because its OK to flash one.
Hopefully someone will jump in and point out which ones if any are OK for you to use.
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I'm sure someone will be able to provide a more detailed and accurate explanation, but generally you don't want to flash anything not specifically made for your device. At the least you could have connectivity issues, at worst, a bootloop and/or brick depending on the situation.
There are some instances where flashing other variants software is OK, but its not the norm, and should not be assumed you can flash any, just because its OK to flash one.
Hopefully someone will jump in and point out which ones if any are OK for you to use.
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I should have probably added that the question is inherently stupid, because, if it were easy or even simply not "dangerous", the sections would not be separated! But it is always better to ask, even if sometimes you risk of appearing very stupid! Sometimes, by simply asking though I found out pretty surprising things
Thanks for lending a hand mate :good:
Luca