We know that the Xperia SL charges faster than the S, is it due to the new Qualcomm Quick Charge 1.0 feature or is there another technology behind it?
yes. super fast charging )
i see if you've unlocked the bootloader and you'll root it. you'll be amazed! haha
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We know that the Xperia SL charges faster than the S, is it due to the new Qualcomm Quick Charge 1.0 feature or is there another technology behind it?
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who this "we" that know that Xperia SL charges faster than the S? i mean.. where did u get that information? i dont know that. S and SL is almost identical (if i cant say they're the same). so, i think they charge the same. btw, my XS charges fast. about 1 hour 20 minutes from below 5% to 100%.
and i think it's not because Qualcomm Quick Charger (which i think just marketing gimmick), and beside Qualcomm just got it in June 2012.. xs comes in february 2012. afaik it's just one the kernel (driver) of XS. it can take input more than 1000 mA. EP850 (1500 mA) gives XS about 1200 mA, compared to other phones (using same charger) usually got below 1000 mA.
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who this "we" that know that Xperia SL charges faster than the S? i mean.. where did u get that information? i dont know that. S and SL is almost identical (if i cant say they're the same). so, i think they charge the same. btw, my XS charges fast. about 1 hour 20 minutes from below 5% to 100%.
and i think it's not because Qualcomm Quick Charger (which i think just marketing gimmick), and beside Qualcomm just got it in June 2012.. xs comes in february 2012. afaik it's just one the kernel (driver) of XS. it can take input more than 1000 mA. EP850 (1500 mA) gives XS about 1200 mA, compared to other phones (using same charger) usually got below 1000 mA.
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You are so informative on these things :good:
And how do you get just 1 hour 20 mins? Mine (Xperia SL) slooows down charging that could take from 90% to 100% in 30 mins
I'm using blackberry charger at the moment that gives ~1400mA (according to charger timer app)
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who this "we" that know that Xperia SL charges faster than the S? i mean.. where did u get that information? i dont know that. S and SL is almost identical (if i cant say they're the same). so, i think they charge the same. btw, my XS charges fast. about 1 hour 20 minutes from below 5% to 100%.
and i think it's not because Qualcomm Quick Charger (which i think just marketing gimmick), and beside Qualcomm just got it in June 2012.. xs comes in february 2012. afaik it's just one the kernel (driver) of XS. it can take input more than 1000 mA. EP850 (1500 mA) gives XS about 1200 mA, compared to other phones (using same charger) usually got below 1000 mA.
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Not exactly, the Xperia SL came out later in the summer so it could very well have Quick Charge. I doubt it's a marketing gimmick if Qualcomm is actually giving out a press release that lists multiple manufacturers. There are some significant differences in between S and SL.
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Not exactly, the Xperia SL came out later in the summer so it could very well have Quick Charge. I doubt it's a marketing gimmick if Qualcomm is actually giving out a press release that lists multiple manufacturers. There are some significant differences in between S and SL.
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yet Qualcomm (in that page) didnt say that SL has it. yes, maybe it's not a marketing gimmick, but i just dont see how it's work, and no explanation given. my thought is it just the same as Sony's (when <80%, it gives more current) and/or their devices can get more than >1000 mA -> if using charger rated more than 1000 mA, both are old news, and Sony has it in their phones. i mean, u cant make magic that make the charger gives more current more than it rated (eg: 1000 mA charger gives 1100 mA -> what kind of sorcery is this? ). . If you want to charge a battery faster, you just gotta (1) make sure it can charge faster (greater current) without overheating and (2) deliver greater current to it -> XS/XSL (and some other Sony phones already capable both of em )
really? what are the significant differences between S and SL? afaik, there are 2 differences: 1. bluetooth -> xs has 2.1, xsl has 3.0 (gsmarena write this, dont ask me) -> but users here in xda said there are no noticeable speed difference between two, some even says that the bluetooth in xsl give same lag too when using with bluetooth hands-free (same as xs) 2. the xsl processor gives 1.7 gHz -> xs can easily achieve this with custom kernel. and thats it. xsl can use xs rom and kernel without any problem. so..
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Hi, I come from the Xperia Play section, which is awesome and supporting, so I hope this one will be too
I got this phone today and I was wondering how to make the best of it (I know BL unlock and root is the xda way, but I'm not in a rush for doing it yet cause I want to experience stock FW and see if Sony did a good work on it).
The thing that concerns me the most is the first battery charge. I chose this phone for the size and battery duration but I'm afraid to screw it by charging it wrong the first time. Also, is it better to charge it when the phone is off or on? is it ok (or not damaging) to charge it during all night?
Hope you answer quickly before stock battery charge runs out. I'll do my best to help this new community
Our Phone has a lion battery so you dont need to discharge to 0%. You can just charge from 10%to 100% and will be great. There is no need to calibrate battery or something. Just charge like everyday. I charge my Phone during day because i dont want to charge whole night
@mosespl Thanks for your reply. So I' leave it to discharge until its 10% and then charge during 2 hours until it's 100%. How much batttery time do you get with a normal (medium) usage?
You must remember than li-on battery doesnt like to be discharged. So keep Phone alive and charge to 100% and unplug. I use magnetic cable with original adapter
wow... aged phone xperia play, the same age with my old SE Arc.
This board isn't many guys because some guys went to z1 board because we share pretty much the same stock roms and same problem and same mods with our big brother z1.
2 days in my case is normal of moderate using
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wow... aged phone xperia play, the same age with my old SE Arc.
This board isn't many guys because some guys went to z1 board because we share pretty much the same stock roms and same problem and same mods with our big brother z1.
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Just the same problem we have on Xperia play and neo L, the only SE devices on the zeus board while the other 2011 devices are on mogami board. Our kernel developers soon moved to newer devices so we never had a fully functional 3.4 kernel, and no kitkat. The issue is so bad that we are just getting a WIP version of CM11 with wifi and camera broken.... The mogami devices got stable CM11 in February or March...
Neo L and Play roms and mods are usable on both devices ( not kernels) so its useful to browse both forums. I guess I'll have to do the same with z1 and z1c forums. Thanks for the tip
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Just the same problem we have on Xperia play and neo L, the only SE devices on the zeus board while the other 2011 devices are on mogami board. Our kernel developers soon moved to newer devices so we never had a fully functional 3.4 kernel, and no kitkat. The issue is so bad that we are just getting a WIP version of CM11 with wifi and camera broken.... The mogami devices got stable CM11 in February or March...
Neo L and Play roms and mods are usable on both devices ( not kernels) so its useful to browse both forums. I guess I'll have to do the same with z1 and z1c forums. Thanks for the tip
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This problem is much better since the hardware is much more similar on z1 and z1c. We can flash z1's kernels and roms with just little changes. Camera is same so we can flash the z1's 4k and timeshift mod.
Just to stress that again: Li-Ion batteries don't like low as well as permanently high states of charge and also not high temperatures. It's best to keep them between 30% and 90%, if you really want to make them last long just charge whenever a charger is at hand, but stop at 90%. The LED turns green at 90% anyway and charging time increases because the phone basically switches to trickle charging.
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Just to stress that again: Li-Ion batteries don't like low as well as permanently high states of charge and also not high temperatures. It's best to keep them between 30% and 90%, if you really want to make them last long just charge whenever a charger is at hand, but stop at 90%. The LED turns green at 90% anyway and charging time increases because the phone basically switches to trickle charging.
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This is not real needed again because modern Li-ion battery already got a safe margin like 10% at upper and lower limit in the circuit and battery capacity. You never actually 100% full charge or 0% used up whole battery though the phone display 100% and 0%. However, some cheap China rubbish battery need be careful as they don't have the extra capacity space.
Afaik they specifically don't do that because a) it would make their battery life worse in comparison at the same capacity and b) that would mean trickle charging starts at 80-85% which would be unnecessary, they could just charge at full speed.
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This problem is much better since the hardware is much more similar on z1 and z1c. We can flash z1's kernels and roms with just little changes. Camera is same so we can flash the z1's 4k and timeshift mod.
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Wow I hope there will always people who can compile z1 kernels for our z1c and maybe this phone will be compatible with future android versions. SE 2011 devices can use kitkat but have not enough cache space for ART, so they have to use regular dalvik... I hope this phone will last in my pocket at least 2 years
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Wow I hope there will always people who can compile z1 kernels for our z1c and maybe this phone will be compatible with future android versions. SE 2011 devices can use kitkat but have not enough cache space for ART, so they have to use regular dalvik... I hope this phone will last in my pocket at least 2 years
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The stock kernel and rom from Sony on z1 and z1c is exactly same, you should realize they are almost identical. z1c just got a smaller screen and smaller battery, all other things is same.
Customer kernel on the other hand will need little changes to make it real works on z1c but not that real hard.
Smaller screen = different screen and especially digitizer, doesn't that mean a different driver?
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Smaller screen = different screen and especially digitizer, doesn't that mean a different driver?
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Not sure but I flashed the Z1 RomAur V9.1 rom got no problem at all on touch screen. And I see folks just do little changes on Z1 DooMKernel(both 4.4.2 and 4.4.4) then it works on Z1c.
I think as long as you don't try to enable the Pen Mode, then it should be no problem.
I'm also using 9.1, it doesn't include a kernel.
as you all know, z1c comes with the snapdragon 800 SoC, and one of its feature is fast charge with 2Amp input. I have a 5V/2A charger, but when i plug it in and check with current widget, the maximum value i can see is around 1200mah.
I"m using doom kernel (which said to enable forced fast charing), and i also set the manual fast charge vale in pimp my z1 to 2000, but that doesnt work either.
Now i know about the overheating and damaging battery stuffs, but i do want to charge my phone real quick, so what is the solution? or the z1c just cant get more than 1200mah?
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as you all know, z1c comes with the snapdragon 800 SoC, and one of its feature is fast charge with 2Amp input. I have a 5V/2A charger, but when i plug it in and check with current widget, the maximum value i can see is around 1200mah.
I"m using doom kernel (which said to enable forced fast charing), and i also set the manual fast charge vale in pimp my z1 to 2000, but that doesnt work either.
Now i know about the overheating and damaging battery stuffs, but i do want to charge my phone real quick, so what is the solution? or the z1c just cant get more than 1200mah?
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There are 2 things which might happen in your case.
First the current widget shows the input and usage i.e. when your phone uses 500mAh and the charger provides 2000mAh the app will show only 1500mAh.
Second the charger might not be able to output full 2000mAh because of tolerances maybe?
Sony says that nominal true and safe value of charging for Sony z1c is 1,5A and they provides charger of 1,5A also they said that if you will charge fastest speed your battery will definitely affect by this and it lifecycle will decrease. Our phone of course can handle fast charge because of qualcom but battery isnt adjust to handle that for a long time. I hear that in Sony center because I want to buy stock 2A Sony charger so if you care of your battery use stock charger or other up to 1,5A
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Hello all,
The recent discussions on xda and r/rMoto_Z about battery chargers and questions concerning whether or not a TurboPower 30 charger is it worth it to us Z Play users prompted me to do a quick test comparing the chargers.
What I found is my TurboPower 30 is not charging any faster than the TurboPower 15 that came with the phone. I am using tasker (I'm a tasker noob BTW) to log the time and battery level to a Google Sheet upon a change in battery level. I discharged the phone to 14% both times, shut it down, let it cool, turned it on, then plugged in without touching it during the charging process.
Overall, both chargers behave the same. Both charge at a rate around 1.1% to 1.15% charge per minute until the 90-92% mark, where they slow down drastically.
The TP15 took 90 minutes to charge, while the TP30 took 95 minutes to charge.
So what's going on here?
Is my phone malfunctioning?
Is my charger(s) malfunctioning?
Am I stupid and/or missing something?
Can the Z Play even make use of the extra amperage from the TP30?
I'm at a loss here. I could have sworn the TP30 seemed faster, but maybe not.
Can anybody else confirm the same behavior from their chargers?
I can provide a link to a graph and the google sheet itself once I get past the 10 posts required before posting outside links.
I have the Z Play and the Z Force. Using the 30 watt charger on the Play still only charges it at about the same rate as the 15 watt charger. Not sure of the reasons just saying the results I have gotten.
Motorola probably put a limit on that
Charging from 30% to 50% took just a few minutes but phone got really really hot... I'll stick to charging with my 10w ipad adaptor... Decently fast and phone stays cool :good:
TurboPower 30 i guarantee only reaches 30 watt output over 12 volts. Our phone only accepts 5v at 3 amps max (you can force it, but you will probably ruin a component). This is due to thermal restrictions and to help preserve the battery from degrading faster than normal due to heat. With my moto x pure I recieved a turbopower 25 which charged my phone (which is about the same size as this one) at 12v ~2.1 Amps and the phone was already thermal throttling while charging. With a phone that lasts 2 days already Lenovo probably figures you can top your phone off when you have time to, and even then charging at 15 watts is still pretty quick if you really need to charge your phone in a hurry. More power going in = more heat put out due to inefficiencies. This will change whenever we get superconductors figured out and can have ~100% efficiency, but that will (probably) take a while, and even then take longer before it trickles down to consumer products.
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TurboPower 30 i guarantee only reaches 30 watt output over 12 volts. Our phone only accepts 5v at 3 amps max (you can force it, but you will probably ruin a component). This is due to thermal restrictions and to help preserve the battery from degrading faster than normal due to heat. With my moto x pure I recieved a turbopower 25 which charged my phone (which is about the same size as this one) at 12v ~2.1 Amps and the phone was already thermal throttling while charging. With a phone that lasts 2 days already Lenovo probably figures you can top your phone off when you have time to, and even then charging at 15 watts is still pretty quick if you really need to charge your phone in a hurry. More power going in = more heat put out due to inefficiencies. This will change whenever we get superconductors figured out and can have ~100% efficiency, but that will (probably) take a while, and even then take longer before it trickles down to consumer products.
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Actually, the TurboPower 30's max output is 5v @ 5.7a, hence the large fixed cable.
Motorola lists the TurboPower 30 as compatible with all Moto Z devices. I took "compatible" as meaning I will receive the full output on a Z Play. If that's not the case, then Motorola should specify as such. I mainly just want to find out if my issue is by design or isolated to me.
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Actually, the TurboPower 30's max output is 5v @ 5.7a, hence the large fixed cable.
Motorola lists the TurboPower 30 as compatible with all Moto Z devices. I took "compatible" as meaning I will receive the full output on a Z Play. If that's not the case, then Motorola should specify as such. I mainly just want to find out if my issue is by design or isolated to me.
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Surprising that its actually at 5 volts tbh, since manufacturers were moving to 5, 9, and 12 volt standards for quick charging (not sure why the higher voltage instead of higher amperage). It would be by design though as the thermal restrictions still stand. The phone would have a hard time disipating all the heat generated (unless you suspended it by a string in mid air and had a fan blow on it :laugh and it could degrade the battery faster (due to heat). It is technically compatible in that will charge the phone and quick charge it at 15 watts, but it will not go up to 30 watts. It could be useful in the future when more laptops have thunderbolt 3 or 4 ports and you could use it for that .
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Surprising that its actually at 5 volts tbh, since manufacturers were moving to 5, 9, and 12 volt standards for quick charging (not sure why the higher voltage instead of higher amperage). It would be by design though as the thermal restrictions still stand. The phone would have a hard time disipating all the heat generated (unless you suspended it by a string in mid air and had a fan blow on it :laugh and it could degrade the battery faster (due to heat). It is technically compatible in that will charge the phone and quick charge it at 15 watts, but it will not go up to 30 watts. It could be useful in the future when more laptops have thunderbolt 3 or 4 ports and you could use it for that .
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So what specifically in the design of the Z Play creates thermal restrictions greater than that of the Z Force? And what makes you believe the TurboForce 30 charger will charge other devices at ~30w? Is it a USB Power Delivery spec charger?
Regardless of all this, I still find the product description disingenuous. I would have simply gone with a standard (and cheaper) 15w USB-C- charger had I known this.
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So what specifically in the design of the Z Play creates thermal restrictions greater than that of the Z Force? And what makes you believe the TurboForce 30 charger will charge other devices at ~30w? Is it a USB Power Delivery spec charger?
Regardless of all this, I still find the product description disingenuous. I would have simply gone with a standard (and cheaper) 15w USB-C- charger had I known this.
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It is disingenuous to an extent, they didnt lie to you when they said it would work, but they just didnt tell you that it wouldnt charge at the full 30 watts (maybe there was an asterisk for it?). From the little bits of research I did on the moto Z force forum, it seems that it does follow USB-PD, but I dont know much about USB-PD specs or Qualcomm quick charge specs honestly. The only real advantage the Z force has in terms of helping with heat disipation is the aluminum backplate it has vs our glass backplate, it could also have some extra copper inside of it to help spread the heat around as well. Aluminum transfers heat better then glass does which allows it to have more wiggle room in terms of thermal restrictions, but I bet you the phone still gets really hot while turbo charging especially at 30 watts. Since it seems to follow USB-PD spec that would mean that if another device that follows that spec (a laptop with USB type-c thunderbolt 3?) and requests that much power then yes, it should work.
and then, what is the exact charger for Moto Z2 Force ? 15 (included in package), or 30 ?
My new Xperia XA1 (G3121) is not quick charging using the original UCH12. I installed the ampere app to check. And the UCH12 doesn't charge any faster over the stock charger.
What's even stranger, is that I already had this UCH12 with my previous phone, the Xperia Z5C, and it did use the quickcharge capabilities.
I took my old Z5C back out of storage and tested both devices with the ampere app. The Z5C was allowing a whopping 3850 mamp! Whilst the XA1 doesn't come any further then just under 1000mamps. The voltage also doesn't get lifted over 4v.
Is there some kind of hidden setting that I need to toggle?? I was under the impression that the XA1 does support the QC2.0. What am I doing wrong?
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I think that you've programs that battery drain on background
Nope, it's the same with all background apps closed. Even when it's turned off it charges in the same time with the UCH12 and UCH20.
I think it's because of an update, because it's the same for me now... ?
Just chiming in here, I just got the phone and updated to the latest November patch. The phone only seems to charge properly and quick charge when the phone is turned off. Looks like the problem is software related (at least my problem).
When it's turned on, the phone seems to charge a little bit then drain. Which is confusing at best.
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My new Xperia XA1 (G3121) is not quick charging using the original UCH12. I installed the ampere app to check. And the UCH12 doesn't charge any faster over the stock charger.
The voltage also doesn't get lifted over 4v.
I was under the impression that the XA1 does support the QC2.0. What am I doing wrong?
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Are you sure you have genuine original UCH12? There are a lot of fake UCH12s on the market. All logos and labels are almost the same. I hit one fake UCH12 charger. It was supposed to be an OEM without original package.
SONY logo is written in different font. On the back in tiny letters is written brand "Sany" made in "Iapan". Very difficult to notice the difference. What more, this kind of charger supports QC3.0, but not PumpExpress2.0 which is supported by XA1.
How can you see charging voltage in Ampere app? I though it is not supported by software.
(I used this fake charger only for few minutes. Maybe it was enough to damage touchscreen)
we all know that one of the benefits of A70 is it's so called "Super Fast Charging"
well...as super fast as the claim, its super fast in dissapointing as well
TTHE PHONE IS CAPPED AT 15 WATTS ONLY !!!!!
as soon as u charge the phone it jups to 32 watts, so, its not the outlet that have the issue which is decent, then u wait a couple of seconds annnnnnnd....its stuck at below 1000ma with 14.4 watts of power
i dont get it, why the heck it doesnt stick to the 25 watts promise ? am i doing something wrong ?
i am using franko kernel app to measure the watts
From what I gather it will only 'fast charge' when the phone is in standby. I.e. The screen is off and phone not being used ....
But I agree it is a poor fast charge.
My honor note 10 which is a 22w super charge on a 5000mah battery charges way faster even with the screen on and phone being used.
Maybe it's Samsung just being cautious with there batteries.... [emoji848]
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we all know that one of the benefits of A70 is it's so called "Super Fast Charging"
well...as super fast as the claim, its super fast in dissapointing as well
TTHE PHONE IS CAPPED AT 15 WATTS ONLY !!!!!
as soon as u charge the phone it jups to 32 watts, so, its not the outlet that have the issue which is decent, then u wait a couple of seconds annnnnnnd....its stuck at below 1000ma with 14.4 watts of power
i dont get it, why the heck it doesnt stick to the 25 watts promise ? am i doing something wrong ?
i am using franko kernel app to measure the watts
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With screen off, 0-100 in 1 hr 40 minutes. If the screen is on it'll charge normally. This is to prevent overheating and damage to the battery
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With screen off, 0-100 in 1 hr 40 minutes. If the screen is on it'll charge normally. This is to prevent overheating and damage to the battery
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well my friend, i doubt it, cause i have rooted my A70 and used ACC (advanced charging control) to completely disable the cooldown thingy to fast charge, well, nothing helped, stuck at 14.4 watts for eternity
i mean...assuming your theory IS true, i tried leaving my phone screen off for 15 minutes, then opened it and checked the wattage from the notification...aaaaaand its still 14.4 watts, i mean, if what you say is true i should probably find it at like 25watts and it drops down 2 sec after i open the screen, but it NEVER reaches this 25 watts thingy, and the ampere app is stuck at 1200 max mAh
I think trying to work this out while running a custom kernel is a fool's errand. We have no idea how charging work with custom kernels yet, so you dont know if it's a kernel problem or a hardware problem. Since you dont seem to have tested this prior to switching the kernel, you have no baseline to compare it to other than what other people who are running official firmware are telling you..So not much help then.
I'll say this though, I checked mine with a power meter and not a software readout: 25w screen off, 10ish screen on. That's below 80% charge, anyway, at which point the consumption drops.
I think my A70 charges pretty fast and I'm okay with how fast it is, no matter the watts.
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I think trying to work this out while running a custom kernel is a fool's errand. We have no idea how charging work with custom kernels yet, so you dont know if it's a kernel problem or a hardware problem. Since you dont seem to have tested this prior to switching the kernel, you have no baseline to compare it to other than what other people who are running official firmware are telling you..So not much help then.
I'll say this though, I checked mine with a power meter and not a software readout: 25w screen off, 10ish screen on. That's below 80% charge, anyway, at which point the consumption drops.
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i am already running the stock kernel, its just i patched it using magisk and that's it, so i believe there is no issue from my side as i am using the stock kernel
Mine is charging pretty fast, no issues on my part.