we all know that one of the benefits of A70 is it's so called "Super Fast Charging"
well...as super fast as the claim, its super fast in dissapointing as well
TTHE PHONE IS CAPPED AT 15 WATTS ONLY !!!!!
as soon as u charge the phone it jups to 32 watts, so, its not the outlet that have the issue which is decent, then u wait a couple of seconds annnnnnnd....its stuck at below 1000ma with 14.4 watts of power
i dont get it, why the heck it doesnt stick to the 25 watts promise ? am i doing something wrong ?
i am using franko kernel app to measure the watts
From what I gather it will only 'fast charge' when the phone is in standby. I.e. The screen is off and phone not being used ....
But I agree it is a poor fast charge.
My honor note 10 which is a 22w super charge on a 5000mah battery charges way faster even with the screen on and phone being used.
Maybe it's Samsung just being cautious with there batteries.... [emoji848]
Rixil 1 said:
we all know that one of the benefits of A70 is it's so called "Super Fast Charging"
well...as super fast as the claim, its super fast in dissapointing as well
TTHE PHONE IS CAPPED AT 15 WATTS ONLY !!!!!
as soon as u charge the phone it jups to 32 watts, so, its not the outlet that have the issue which is decent, then u wait a couple of seconds annnnnnnd....its stuck at below 1000ma with 14.4 watts of power
i dont get it, why the heck it doesnt stick to the 25 watts promise ? am i doing something wrong ?
i am using franko kernel app to measure the watts
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With screen off, 0-100 in 1 hr 40 minutes. If the screen is on it'll charge normally. This is to prevent overheating and damage to the battery
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With screen off, 0-100 in 1 hr 40 minutes. If the screen is on it'll charge normally. This is to prevent overheating and damage to the battery
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well my friend, i doubt it, cause i have rooted my A70 and used ACC (advanced charging control) to completely disable the cooldown thingy to fast charge, well, nothing helped, stuck at 14.4 watts for eternity
i mean...assuming your theory IS true, i tried leaving my phone screen off for 15 minutes, then opened it and checked the wattage from the notification...aaaaaand its still 14.4 watts, i mean, if what you say is true i should probably find it at like 25watts and it drops down 2 sec after i open the screen, but it NEVER reaches this 25 watts thingy, and the ampere app is stuck at 1200 max mAh
I think trying to work this out while running a custom kernel is a fool's errand. We have no idea how charging work with custom kernels yet, so you dont know if it's a kernel problem or a hardware problem. Since you dont seem to have tested this prior to switching the kernel, you have no baseline to compare it to other than what other people who are running official firmware are telling you..So not much help then.
I'll say this though, I checked mine with a power meter and not a software readout: 25w screen off, 10ish screen on. That's below 80% charge, anyway, at which point the consumption drops.
I think my A70 charges pretty fast and I'm okay with how fast it is, no matter the watts.
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I think trying to work this out while running a custom kernel is a fool's errand. We have no idea how charging work with custom kernels yet, so you dont know if it's a kernel problem or a hardware problem. Since you dont seem to have tested this prior to switching the kernel, you have no baseline to compare it to other than what other people who are running official firmware are telling you..So not much help then.
I'll say this though, I checked mine with a power meter and not a software readout: 25w screen off, 10ish screen on. That's below 80% charge, anyway, at which point the consumption drops.
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i am already running the stock kernel, its just i patched it using magisk and that's it, so i believe there is no issue from my side as i am using the stock kernel
Mine is charging pretty fast, no issues on my part.
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Ok, so I have an AT&T SIII running AOKP (was on CM 10, waiting for a bit better 10.1 stability in the Bluetooth department). I just found out how awesome the PS3's Dualshock 3 controller is for gaming on android. I'm considering purchasing a GameKlip for it.
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I know that the SIII's charging rate is capped somewhere between 750-1000 mA. I did some searching here on XDA, and it seems that buying a 2A charger wont charge the phone any faster because the charge rate is capped by the phone. I get that. My problem is that my phone will discharge 10% or more per hour on AC power (OC'd, brightness up, PS3 controller) while I'm gaming. I also understand that concept.
My question is: If I use a 2A charger, will the potential excess power prevent the phone from discharging while gaming, or will it be irrelevant? I assume the former.
While everyone is on the same topic, what is the highest charging rate that OEM's typically allow? Does say, HTC or Motorola tend to have higher rates? I'm not against switching to another phone (or carrier if I have to) if it means no discharging while gaming. The way it sits, if my battery is already low from using it during the day, and I come home from work to play some games, the battery will just die even though it's plugged in. Seems counter-intuitive to me. Other than this issue, I have my battery usage down to a SCIENCE, and I usually have idle drain less than 1%/hour while on WiFi with MINIMAL wakelocks. I think because of that, this drainage thing really drives me nuts!
What do you guys think?
Thanks!
- And yes, the poll question assumes you are on AC power.
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Ok, so I have an AT&T SIII running AOKP (was on CM 10, waiting for a bit better 10.1 stability in the Bluetooth department). I just found out how awesome the PS3's Dualshock 3 controller is for gaming on android. I'm considering purchasing a GameKlip for it.
-Anyway-
I know that the SIII's charging rate is capped somewhere between 750-1000 mA. I did some searching here on XDA, and it seems that buying a 2A charger wont charge the phone any faster because the charge rate is capped by the phone. I get that. My problem is that my phone will discharge 10% or more per hour (OC'd, brightness up, PS3 controller) while I'm gaming. I also understand that concept.
My question is: If I use a 2A charger, will the potential excess power prevent the phone from discharging while gaming, or will it be irrelevant? I assume the former.
While everyone is on the same topic, what is the highest charging rate that OEM's typically allow? Does say, HTC or Motorola tend to have higher rates? I'm not against switching to another phone (or carrier if I have to) if it means no discharging while gaming. The way it sits, if my battery is already low from using it during the day, and I come home from work to play some games, the battery will just die even though it's plugged in. Seems counter-intuitive to me. Other than this issue, I have my battery usage down to a SCIENCE, and I usually have idle drain less than 1%/hour while on WiFi with MINIMAL wakelocks. I think because of that, this drainage thing really drives me nuts!
What do you guys think?
Thanks!
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Honestly, I've been using a 2A Charger since i purchased my phone three months ago. Im using the one from the nexus 7, but to answer your question.
I've noticed no difference in discharging using the 1A vs the 2A, the only factor that can that is your kernel and rom.
Since i've switch to a ktoonz kernel my battery life is improved by 75%. (using custom settings)
Also can i suggest possibly looking at a extended battery pack? I have both the gorilla gadgets and the hyperion. Both are amazing i was able to get 3 days on it, under heavy gaming 1.5 days.
Im using only a 3150maH battery right now, as i stopped gaming on my phone, bought a sick computer.
Funnily enough, I also use a DualShock 3 with my device on occasion, normally while on AC power. I've never noticed any power dips, but that may be because I'm not particularly pushing the device to its limits in the process.
Anyway, I think the meat of the matter is this: does the phone limit the amount of current entering via the micro-USB port (which is then split between battery charging and normal device usage), or does it limit the amount of current going into the battery? If it's the latter (which I'd consider more likely, given that the micro-USB port is expected to handle at least 1.8A), then you'll notice a benefit from using a more powerful charger under the circumstances. I don't actually know if that's the case, though.
Does your kernel support quick-charge? I don't know the science behind it, but it allows me to charge my phone from dead to 100% in less than half the time it normally takes.
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Does your kernel support quick-charge? I don't know the science behind it, but it allows me to charge my phone from dead to 100% in less than half the time it normally takes.
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Yes it does, but I thought fast charging only makes USB charging the same rate as AC charging (plus I heard it can permanently damage the USB interface)... Therefore my understanding is that the hardware charge cap still applies.
I'm facing too much battery charging issues on my Samsung Galaxy Note-II N7100. I've checked in application 'Galaxy Charging', the reference voltage is 1698mA and and my phone is just using 700mA - 1200mA. At first it'd start at 1800mA but after couple of mins it start to lowering he input/ output to ~300mA. Do you have any kind of solution on this? It started after update to 4.3. I think it is a bootloader problem, because it start to happen when I update rom to 4.3 on 4.1.2 charging works very well. And one question how much power is actually needed for Note ii in mA's. Pleas help!!!
Probably not bootloader related... but what bootloader are you using now?
Can check all details with Samsung Phone Info from play store.
You should be on Bootloader MJ5 or newer.
Is it an original battery or one you bought somewhere?
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Probably not bootloader related... but what bootloader are you using now?
Can check all details with Samsung Phone Info from play store.
You should be on Bootloader MJ5 or newer.
Is it an original battery or one you bought somewhere?
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Phone's condition is very good, and every accessory is original.
The point is it started leaking the charging on update to 4.3, On 4.1.2. it works very well, and if it is not about bootloader what's the issue is about you'd say?
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Phone's condition is very good, and every accessory is original.
The point is it started leaking the charging on update to 4.3, On 4.1.2. it works very well, and if it is not about bootloader what's the issue is about you'd say?
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i don't know how much current my phone was getting when on 4.1.2 but on 4.3/4.4 it varies from 1100-1400,so what i do now is when i plug my phone in i check GCC and it shows anything lower than 1300 i unplug replug my charger few times until it shows 1300 or 1400.Charging the phone is kernel related ,not bootloader related.Custom kernels can increase the charging current which enables charging the phone faster but it's not considered healthy for the battery in the long run.I haven't tested this feature cause i am quite happy with battery life on stock kernel,so try my method and report back
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i don't know how much current my phone was getting when on 4.1.2 but on 4.3/4.4 it varies from 1100-1400,so what i do now is when i plug my phone in i check GCC and it shows anything lower than 1300 i unplug replug my charger few times until it shows 1300 or 1400.Charging the phone is kernel related ,not bootloader related.Custom kernels can increase the charging current which enables charging the phone faster but it's not considered healthy for the battery in the long run.I haven't tested this feature cause i am quite happy with battery life on stock kernel,so try my method and report back
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Thank you for help.
My problem also same, charging mostly at starts 1800 mA but when it gone down to 200~300 mA level it takes much more time. For e.g. in half-an-hr battery charges only 2-5%.
m.b.jikre said:
Thank you for help.
My problem also same, charging mostly at starts 1800 mA but when it gone down to 200~300 mA level it takes much more time. For e.g. in half-an-hr battery charges only 2-5%.
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well my phone usually charges from 20% to 100% within 2 hours 15 mins or so,and usually in the first one it charges around 40-45% /hour rate and then slows down cause that's how it's programmed so as not to blow the battery up by continuously charging it fast but it seems it charges really really slow for you,wonder if your charger is faulty?
So I tried a Motorola turbo charger which has QC2.0 capability on my HTC one m8.
Got a full charge in 2hrs 10 min.
That sums it up, we don't have the technology enabled to save the battery from deteriorating.
I'm on stock UK Rom.
Cheers.
The question is how fast did it get to 70% from dead, the charger slows down as it gets closer and closer to full.....
Here are some screen shots. Tells you how fast it was charging.
Sounds the same as the stock charger. The phone will only draw as much current as it's made to draw. More powerful chargers won't change that. ?
Yeah, people said it supports qc1.0 but it is not.
muayyadf1 said:
So I tried a Motorola turbo charger which has QC2.0 capability on my HTC one m8.
Got a full charge in 2hrs 10 min.
That sums it up, we don't have the technology enabled to save the battery from deteriorating.
I'm on stock UK Rom.
Cheers.
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HTC has yet to enable quick change 2.0 on stock roms, so unless you install a custom Rom/kernel you won't see any difference over the stock charger. And I'm not even convinced that they don't need a firmware update too.
Sent from my HTC One_M8
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It seems to work if battery temperature is 35 ℃ or less. I was gaining two percent per minute when battery was cold. Could be just thermal efficiency though.
Hey guys,
I have recently purchased xiaomi mi 6 and this is my first quick charge phone so something got me worried. My battery charging speed seems to be too fast for me. Although I don't think temperatures are worrying however I'm conserned regarding long term effects.
I have xiaomi mi 6 6gb ram 128gb storage ceramic edition model.
These are pictures taken from battery app from playstore and image of my charger.
If anyone have some advise about this it would be great.
My greatest consern is that charging speed doesn't seem to diminish as charge is getting to 90% after it hits 90% it slows down dramatically. But from what I know it should change charging speed between 60 and 70 percent to little slower then from 0 to 60.
Is this damaging battery?
Screenshots below.
Thank you.
Totally fine. Its QC 3.0. Imagine this: QC4+ charges ~50-60% in under 15 minutes.
Oh such a releaf. Thank for replying.
Anyone got idea if this has any at all negative effect to battery?
No, higher battery voltage - slower charge, you would damage your battery in few weeks without this slow down.
Also avoid heavy load of phone when charging
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Oh such a releaf. Thank for replying.
Anyone got idea if this has any at all negative effect to battery?
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Would they put a fast charger in the box if the phone couldn't handle it? Nah probably not. Maybe Apple would......
Should you worry if you use the stock charger or a certified QC 3.0 charger? Definitely not its fine.
Are you still worried?: use a non QC 3.0 charger like 1.5 amp.
I use my old Sony one and it works equally well.
I find a slower charger gives slightly longer SOT.
The fast charger is just useful if I need power quickly.
Thanks guys
After 2 days of trial and error, it's thermal throttling due to battery temp.
It hits 96.20f on the battery and goes from 2.8mah at 15w to 8-900mah at 6w
Full charge speed comes back as soon as it's under 94f
This is something I never dealt with with my OnePlus phones....
6000mah always, no issues 40 minutes to full..
With my testing, I've found that,
While charging
Power saving mode with CPU throttle, screen rate throttle, Bluetooth off doesn't help keep it from throttling...
Charging, I can play a YouTube video slid to the side off the screen and browse the internet and after a good 10 minutes or so it's bouncing in and out of fast charging
Playing a game while charging get me around 400mah charging lol
Takes 10 minutes for a single percent when gaming when it gets up in temps
I'm a business owner and a heavy user when I'm using it.
I atleast now understand how it works and what the limits are.
Brightness is half way and on auto.
I would be fine with it getting a bit warmer to keep the fast charging going for sure...
Now I set it in front of the AC if I need some quick charging lol
Slight edit.. it even throttles charging when closed and not being used...
You telling me this phone I paid almost 2 grand for throttles like a baby after a little light use? I noticed today that Enhanced processing has been removed and the option to change the screens resolution has also been removed. I swear my note 20 ultra still kicks this phones butt
It's give or take, it doesn't like charging,
I was playing genshin impact when it got warm and dead lol, but when charging it's straddling the throttle on and off if your using it for sure, download battery charging monitor pro and watch for yourself
She games well I love it, I'm sure I'll be able to manage it, but just coming from a one plus it's mehh
Samsung has limited the charging speed while its in use since their old models blasted some time ago left and right. That is the reason samsung no longer gives faster charging speeds like other brands. We are stuck with 25w charging plus slow charging while using the mobile
It only hits full speed when the screen is off
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Samsung has limited the charging speed shile its in use since their old models blasted some time ago left and right. That is the reason samsung no longer gives faster charging speeds like other brands. We are stuck with 25w charging plus slow charging while using the mobile
It only hits full speed when the screen is off
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Incorrect, I can take a screen recording. If the batter stays below 96f it won't throttle.
Like I said my fix is to put the phone in front of my ac for a minute flat for like 15 minutes of play while charging at full speed.
It has nothing to do with the screen being awake.. it's all on the battery temp.
I tested it by putting my phone in front of the AC when warmed up and as soon as it drops below 94 it's back to full speed.
Yes it's Samsung, but they will learn someday when other phone companies start pushing into the US like OnePlus has
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Incorrect, I can take a screen recording. If the batter stays below 96f it won't throttle.
Like I said my fix is to put the phone in front of my ac for a minute flat for like 15 minutes of play while charging at full speed.
It has nothing to do with the screen being awake.. it's all on the battery temp.
I tested it by putting my phone in front of the AC when warmed up and as soon as it drops below 94 it's back to full speed.
Yes it's Samsung, but they will learn someday when other phone companies start pushing into the US like OnePlus has
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pushing a battery thats charging full power is asking for a fire to happen. This is EXACTLY why Samsung and other manufacturers put these safety measures into play. Users think they know better when they don't and create safety hazards. Like dude please learn basics about batteries before you start a fire.
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pushing a battery thats charging full power is asking for a fire to happen. This is EXACTLY why Samsung and other manufacturers put these safety measures into play. Users think they know better when they don't and create safety hazards. Like dude please learn basics about batteries before you start a fire.
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For starters, I came from a one plus with 2x the charging speeds. What makes them so special to have it down?
And on top of that, I deal with lithium polymer batteries on a daily basis. Owning rc cars I've handled 100s of those "house burning down" batteries.
The phone doesn't even get warm.
I'm sorry your just used to following Samsung and what they say is the fastest standard for something lol
They gotta lack somewhere
I understood those limitations are for battery life. But you can be unhappy about it.
That's understandable and personally I don't care if the charging speed is not blazingly fast.
I remember my Note 7 well.