Charging batteries? - Epic 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Does charging my phone directly with the usb port charge the battery better than when a battery is charged on a wall charger? I've been having bad battery problems with all. 5 of my batteries (including a 3500 mah one) and I'm starting to think that when I charge my phone whatever battery is in it last longer than if it was charged on the wall charger. Can anyone confirm that this may be true?
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lilajrestnom said:
Does charging my phone directly with the usb port charge the battery better than when a battery is charged on a wall charger? I've been having bad battery problems with all. 5 of my batteries (including a 3500 mah one) and I'm starting to think that when I charge my phone whatever battery is in it last longer than if it was charged on the wall charger. Can anyone confirm that this may be true?
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I recall reading somewhere that charging through USB has a chance of overcharging the battery because the wall charger has an auto cutoff when the battery reaches 100% and the USB does not. This may have something to do with possible better battery life when charging through USB. Have you tried draining the phone all the way down to 1% or until it shuts off then charging it to 100% a couple times?

DynamicN said:
I recall reading somewhere that charging through USB has a chance of overcharging the battery because the wall charger has an auto cutoff when the battery reaches 100% and the USB does not. This may have something to do with possible better battery life when charging through USB. Have you tried draining the phone all the way down to 1% or until it shuts off then charging it to 100% a couple times?
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I pretty much do that because I keep the battery in until my phone dies then just switch batteries. Whatever battery ends up in my phone by the end of the day gets charged by usb in my phone and any other batteries that died during the day get charged on the wall charger. But what your saying may be true because on the wall charger usually I find the batteries only 96~98% never actually 100%. Ill test it out and see what happens. Anyone know of a wall charger that works really well?
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It would be nice if I could find the articles I read on the matter for some weight, rather than just my comment. But anyways....
The battery is never at 100%; that is for safety reasons. Whether USB or wall charged, it won't hit 100.
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This chager charges my phone from 4% to %100 in exactly 3 hours.

So I just ordered this charger and it charged my phone from 4% to %100 percent in exactly 3 hours!
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0051ZJA64/ref=oh_o00_s00_i00_details
Wow, what a great improvement over stock which takes 6+ hours. This makes me believe, that even though the stock output is rated at 1000ma and this charger's output is only rated 700ma that this charges works correctly!
If you have a 1800mah battery and you charge it at a rate of .7A, it should take it exactly 2.57 hours to charge, (1800/700). With stock it should take less, because 1800/1000 = 1.8 hours, but it takes 6+ hours to fully charge! Something is f'ed up with the stock charger or phone's software...
Yeah. About that. I just got my E4GT yesterday and noticed it does charge extra slow compared to my O.G. Epic.
My wife stayed with hers, maybe I will try charging my phone on hers. I wonder if that would make a difference...
Android Amateur said:
Yeah. About that. I just got my E4GT yesterday and noticed it does charge extra slow compared to my O.G. Epic.
My wife stayed with hers, maybe I will try charging my phone on hers. I wonder if that would make a difference...
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At first my charging was extremely slow but now it'll charge from 2 to 100 in under three hours
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I use the Palm charger from my TouchPad. Will go from dead to fully charged in about an hour and a half.
What's you TouchPad charger's output in mah? I think I might have to splice into a spare USB cable and check how much current is actually used by phone when on stock charger...pretty sure it is nowhere close to 1000mah.
2000mah is the output from the TP charger.
According to BatteryMonitorWidget, it estimates avg mA charging at 270mA using the stock charger that came with this particular phone.
I have my original charger from my Evo 4g and have noticed that it charges my phone a lot faster then the stock one that came with the phone. :-( weird
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sfhub said:
According to BatteryMonitorWidget, it estimates avg mA charging at 270mA using the stock charger that came with this particular phone.
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That sounds about right! I'll see if I can test this with my AMP meter tonight and tell you all for sure on stock vs new samsung charger that I've got.
awesomeindeed said:
2000mah is the output from the TP charger.
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Yeah, at 2000mah it should charge in less than one hour...I would say your actual charge current to be around 1200mah...
i would be careful with these chargers.
i have dealt with a lot of Li-Po's in the past and there was a formula to how fast you should charge them.
i imagine it is the same deal with Li-On.
charging outside such formula could kill the life of your battery or worse.
Seems like i must have gotten lucky as a ton of people are having problems with their phone or chargers.
I just charged my battery from 0 to 100% off the stock charger in 2 and a half hours and i also havent gotten any of the dodgy input problems using the phone while charging.
I went back and took a longer look at the battery history when charging. When starting the charge at 65% it starts off around 828mA, then 540mA, then 360mA, so it looks like (as expected) the phone knows how much current to pull to charge the battery safely and it adjusts based on how full the battery is. Not saying it does this for the charger included with your phone, but that is the behavior for the charger included with this phone.
These are all estimates provided by Battery Monitor Widget because there is no real-time mA current meter in this phone (according to the author)
Ordered one of these. Stock charger takes a lifetime to charge the phone.
My GF got Nexus S 4G and it's stock charger also takes 6+ hours to charge, so there's something wrong with the chargers I guess...
The pins on this charger must me different than the stock charger. Just because the stock charger is rated up to 1Ah doesn't meant the phone or batteries circuitry allows that much output. The resistance and length of the USB pins on the cable are what determines the output of the charger. Simply using a different USB cable with the stock charger will get you faster charge times.
Using a 2Ah charger will get you nowhere, the circuitry doesn't allow that strong of a current. Just a bit of an FYI. Save your money and save your phone, use a different USB cable.
Also, how is the charge time holding up? I doubt you're getting a saturated charge with that charger.
SpaceMonky said:
i would be careful with these chargers.
i have dealt with a lot of Li-Po's in the past and there was a formula to how fast you should charge them.
i imagine it is the same deal with Li-On.
charging outside such formula could kill the life of your battery or worse.
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Ive dealt with 1,2, and 3 cell lipos ranging from 150mah to 5000mah, and every one of them either say to be (or ive been told its recommended to do so) charged at 1C. so a 500mah battery should be charged at .5A, 1000mah at 1A, 5000mah at 5A, etc...
my lipo charger displays a bunch of info as the battery charges and it definitely drops the current as the battery gets closer to being fully charged. if its the same with li-on then I would imagine that .18A should be the most you would charge this battery, but Id rather it take a long time because unless things have changed recently, doesnt the slower you charge the battery prolong its life cycle as well as extend how long it lasts each charge? I only charge mine at night when I am sleeping so who cares if it takes longer than an hour. if I get into an emergency situation I have the cig lighter charger and in the worst case I even have one of those crank flashlights I can use to charge the phone in the event my car battery shorted out or something...

[Q]Okay to charge battery beyond 100%?

When it reaches 100% in the Samsung car dock it tells you to take it out of the charger. Also someone told me it's better the less juice the battery has before you begin charging it.
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juntjoo said:
When it reaches 100% in the Samsung car dock it tells you to take it out of the charger. Also someone told me it's better the less juice the battery has before you begin charging it.
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You really can't overcharge lith-ion batteries. They all require active charging, so once it's full it's not like it keeps drawing power. I don't think the amount of battery left, either, has any bearing on charging it.
i always leave my phone plugged in at night
so yeah, it does waaaaay over charge past 100%
it'll stop charging when it reaches full

Phone charging really slow??

So my s2 has been charging really slow, like today it took like 5 hours to fully charge, and when connected to charger if I'm using it it wont charge very well, like the battery will stay at lets say 20% when im using it and charging it, it might even go down more. it used to charge pretty well even if I was on it. Cuz this be the charger, or is my battery messed up?? Im using the charger that came with the phone.
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Are you charging through a usb port on your computer or ac? If it is with usb port then yes it will charge at a much slower rate. Also if you have a lot of apps running or backround data going it will also cause your charging to slow down some. I would say through usb without any apps open and backround data stopped It would take a few hours to charge say from 20%. Through AC in the same condition probly 1.5 hours. Try to reboot your phone and then plug it in to charge to see if that doesnt speed it up any. If it does then you know you have backround data moving at a fast rate and that would be your reason to slow the charge down.
Yeah I'm charging with the wall charger, not thru usb
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thats pretty weird...have you tried using another usb cable?? maybe the cable is faulty?
Calibrating the battery
elflip88 said:
So my s2 has been charging really slow, like today it took like 5 hours to fully charge, and when connected to charger if I'm using it it wont charge very well, like the battery will stay at lets say 20% when im using it and charging it, it might even go down more. it used to charge pretty well even if I was on it. Cuz this be the charger, or is my battery messed up?? Im using the charger that came with the phone.
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You could try calibrating the battery, maybe. To do that, turn the phone off. Charge to full (make sure it's full, by taking it off of the charger and putting it back on...the indicator should read 100% almost immediately when reattached to power).
When the battery is full, with the phone still turned off, remove the battery for about 2 minutes. After 2 minutes, reinsert battery and restart phone.
Battery will be calibrated. This may not resolve the problem of a slow charge, but will clear 'battery memory' which may have been preventing it from charging completely (and, I suspect, may have inhibited charging).
Good luck!
I was using an aftermarket wall charger and had similar results. Switched to the USB/AC converter that came with the phone and all was well.
sean is here. said:
You could try calibrating the battery, maybe. To do that, turn the phone off. Charge to full (make sure it's full, by taking it off of the charger and putting it back on...the indicator should read 100% almost immediately when reattached to power).
When the battery is full, with the phone still turned off, remove the battery for about 2 minutes. After 2 minutes, reinsert battery and restart phone.
Battery will be calibrated. This may not resolve the problem of a slow charge, but will clear 'battery memory' which may have been preventing it from charging completely (and, I suspect, may have inhibited charging).
Good luck!
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Yes, try Battery Calibration from the market. Only works on rooted devices, and follow instructions.
Battery Calibration
abctilly said:
Yes, try Battery Calibration from the market. Only works on rooted devices, and follow instructions.
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Actually, one doesn't need an app to calibrate the battery. If you follow the instructions above, the app is unnecessary. And the phone mustn't be rooted
YODA? ^^^^
Hey elflip88, have you found the issue yet?
I have the same problem on my HTC Amaze 4G. It's charging 1% every 3 minutes (adds up to 5 hours)
I'm also using the wall charger...oh damn, I'm starting to think I have a faulty device / battery...
yelp!
For the record Samsung devices are known to be slow at charging so with that considered.... You still shouldn't be at 5 hrs. I would find a battery stats app charge your battery over night and check the chart to see exactly how long it takes to go from 0 - 100. Make sure your batter status is good. Also check the voltage coming into your phone from your charger. There are plenty of battery stat apps in the market that will do this sort of thing. Of course make sure your battery doesn't have water damage of course too lol.
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I've had the same problem with mine. But, I can get 1.5 days without charging and moderate usage. Charge it up, drain it, charge it back up then wipe your battery stats in recovery.
This may help if you're using an aftermarket wall charger
If you guys are having issues with slow charging using an aftermarket wall charger, it could be that the phone is charging in a USB state rather than an AC charging state. QuickCharge could alleviate your issues. The cable is inserted between the wall charger and the USB cable that goes to your phone. You can find the product on Amazon. It's the 2nd of 3rd item from the top when you search 'QuickCharge'.
I find that when I fully drain my battery and charge it, it's really slow. Once the phone has enough battery to stay on, I unplugged it and replugged it and it charges normal again.
elflip88 said:
So my s2 has been charging really slow, like today it took like 5 hours to fully charge, and when connected to charger if I'm using it it wont charge very well, like the battery will stay at lets say 20% when im using it and charging it, it might even go down more. it used to charge pretty well even if I was on it. Cuz this be the charger, or is my battery messed up?? Im using the charger that came with the phone.
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It's your wifi and your apps using wifi. Turn wifi off while charging. I used to charge 4 hours + on my S2. Reduced to 2 and some change when I turn off wifi.
Also, I struggle to make it through a working day with wifi on. Turn wifi off and I can do 4 days no problem.
audscott said:
I was using an aftermarket wall charger and had similar results. Switched to the USB/AC converter that came with the phone and all was well.
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I've had the same problems using an aftermarket wall charger.
I old suggest using a different outlet if you haven't done that yet.
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What? Wifi (while connected) users significantly less power than 3g or HSPA+ (4G) data..
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i had that issue once, it had to do with my ROM i imagne... i flashed a new one and i havent had a problem ever since.
i m using this wall charge and use this battery... it is working fine and no problem at all
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Anker-Battery-for-Samsung-Galaxy-S-II-from-T-mobile-
http://www.cellphoneshop.net/hdw179...ccessories&hash=item4ab527cf3b#ht_2001wt_1396

[Q] Battery charging too slow!?!?!

Charging time for my battery is pretty slow. I takes more than 3 hours from 10% to full! It doesn't matter if it is chraging with the carger or via USB. Is this normal with the Nexus? I had Htc Inspire 4G, and the charging took 2 hours top!
*if i use the phone while charging e.g. play some game, the battery is still draining instead of charging.
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You should get better results with an A/C charger but I've seen some wall adapters still read as if its plugged in via USB. You can check by going to settings >> battery while it's plugged in and it should read A/C charging.
ordevski said:
Charging time for my battery is pretty slow. I takes more than 3 hours from 10% to full! It doesn't matter if it is chraging with the carger or via USB. Is this normal with the Nexus? I had Htc Inspire 4G, and the charging took 2 hours top!
*if i use the phone while charging e.g. play some game, the battery is still draining instead of charging.
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What is the max current (mA) the charger you use can provide? Divide the capacity of your battery (in mAh) by the charge current. That is your approximate charge time in hours. I believe most AC chargers can charge with 1A, so a stock GSM battery of 1750 mAh should take less than 2 hours from being discharged to fully charged. Mine does.
The behavior that the GNEX will discharge even while being charged with a non AC charger (including car chargers) when gaming/navigating is not uncommon.
3rdstring said:
You should get better results with an A/C charger but I've seen some wall adapters still read as if its plugged in via USB. You can check by going to settings >> battery while it's plugged in and it should read A/C charging.
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Yes, it's reading A/C charging, but the charger is from alcatel with 400mAh output.
Petrovski80 said:
What is the max current (mA) the charger you use can provide? Divide the capacity of your battery (in mAh) by the charge current. That is your approximate charge time in hours. I believe most AC chargers can charge with 1A, so a stock GSM battery of 1750 mAh should take less than 2 hours from being discharged to fully charged. Mine does.
The behavior that the GNEX will discharge even while being charged with a non AC charger (including car chargers) when gaming/navigating is not uncommon.
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I've been charging it with Alcatel charger with 400mAh output. I'll try with Samsung charger with 5.0V output which says it's equal to 0.7A because I don't have the original (I think i have used it before, but i dont recall that it was any faster).
Could be kernel related issue, since there is an option to "Fast charge" via USB and it's enabled?
ordevski said:
I've been charging it with Alcatel charger with 400mAh output. I'll try with Samsung charger with 5.0V output which says it's equal to 0.7A because I don't have the original (I think i have used it before, but i dont recall that it was any faster).
Could be kernel related issue, since there is an option to "Fast charge" via USB and it's enabled?
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its not likely a kernel issue unless you are on some experimental one, but you would be able to easily find out by looking at the forum cause others would have the issue. And if you didn't know the Fast Charge option is to make your phone think its hooked up to a wall port if you are charging from your laptop or if your car charger is only being used a usb port thing.
jv2543 said:
its not likely a kernel issue unless you are on some experimental one, but you would be able to easily find out by looking at the forum cause others would have the issue. And if you didn't know the Fast Charge option is to make your phone think its hooked up to a wall port if you are charging from your laptop or if your car charger is only being used a usb port thing.
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It's franco kernel, nightly 251, pretty stable from what i've read in the thread. Also, I know what does Fast Charge option do, but I thought that somehow it messed something up. While I was googling for answers, I found some forum, where was mentioned the battery chip that is regulating the power it's using to charge the battery could somehow get messed up. Maybe I have bad batt.
mine battery too takes 3 hours to full charge using stock samsung wall charger. I'm using stock rom and kernel.
Mines takes 1 hr 30 minutes tops with fast charge
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You are using a 400mA charger, the gnex comes with a 1A one. Go figure.
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Petrovski80 said:
What is the max current (mA) the charger you use can provide? Divide the capacity of your battery (in mAh) by the charge current. That is your approximate charge time in hours. I believe most AC chargers can charge with 1A, so a stock GSM battery of 1750 mAh should take less than 2 hours from being discharged to fully charged. Mine does.
The behavior that the GNEX will discharge even while being charged with a non AC charger (including car chargers) when gaming/navigating is not uncommon.
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That is because the car charger most likely did not short both the data pins out, therefore you notice the discharging phenomenon because the phone will only take in 500mA without the data pins shorted or with kernel fast charge enabled. How is 500mA going to keep up with navigation, GPS and all other tasks?
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Also realize that your previous phones battery probably had a lower capacity than the gnex therefore coming from 2 hours, 3 hours isn't that bad for charging a bigger battery
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ordevski said:
Charging time for my battery is pretty slow. I takes more than 3 hours from 10% to full! It doesn't matter if it is chraging with the carger or via USB. Is this normal with the Nexus? I had Htc Inspire 4G, and the charging took 2 hours top!
*if i use the phone while charging e.g. play some game, the battery is still draining instead of charging.
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I don't recommend using another charger I used a galaxy infuse 4g charger and in a week my battery got so hot it didnt even charge anymore
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As has been stated get a GOOD quality charger. I might be weird but both my car charger and spare outlet charger came from Verizon. At least when i have had something not work they have been more than happy to open another and fully test in store for however long it takes. Sadly, my last car charger broke and I am too lazy to get another, my solution was to use a car inverter since I charge my other devices regularly on long trips. Plugging in a regular wall outlet from, oddly enough Motorola, does the job just fine. Alas, the majority of chargers my coworkers leave out are for lesser phones and will not even register on my beastly Nexus.
However i think i damaged my charger (original 1Ampere samsung wall charger) when i've been in Malta (i'm from Italy) last August. Before the holyday my nexus charged in 2 hours or less. During the holyday the charger heated a lot more than when using at home and now the charging process lasts about 3 hours. Also, when i connect the charger to the wall (even if the phone is unplugged) i hear a low almost-ultrasonic whistle.
I hope the damage isn't the battery.
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However i think i damaged my charger (original 1Ampere samsung wall charger) when i've been in Malta (i'm from Italy) last August. Before the holyday my nexus charged in 2 hours or less. During the holyday the charger heated a lot more than when using at home and now the charging process lasts about 3 hours. Also, when i connect the charger to the wall (even if the phone is unplugged) i hear a low almost-ultrasonic whistle.
I hope the damage isn't the battery.
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I have the same problems too. I tried to use other charger, but the problem still remain. My charging process lasts about 2.30 h to charge from 55% to 100%. I really hate this because I need to charghe my phone faster. Please help us. (I'm italian too).
Ginuzzo50 said:
I have the same problems too. I tried to use other charger, but the problem still remain. My charging process lasts about 2.30 h to charge from 55% to 100%. I really hate this because I need to charghe my phone faster. Please help us. (I'm italian too).
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Same problem here with another charger, and also via USB with Fast Charge enabled!
ordevski said:
Same problem here with another charger, and also via USB with Fast Charge enabled!
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Where did you find the settings to set the Fast Charge?
Ginuzzo50 said:
Where did you find the settings to set the Fast Charge?
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With a custom kernel.
Ginuzzo50 said:
Where did you find the settings to set the Fast Charge?
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I'm using CodenameAndroid ROM, which has kernel that allows you to enable Fast Charge. It's located in Settings --> Performance --> Kernel controls --> USB fast charge
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ordevski said:
I'm using CodenameAndroid ROM, which has kernel that allows you to enable Fast Charge. It's located in Settings --> Performance --> Kernel controls --> USB fast charge
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Thank you very much. And the effective result is really a faster charging? Does it works good or not?

Charger limiting my charge?

Hey guys. So I was thinking my battery problem could just be a bad battery... Got some new ankers, charged them with the external battery charger. Battery lasted the time it used to: (4+ hrs screen on). I kept the battery in my phone, charged it via USB wall charger (stock) showed full battery, but died much faster. Any chance the original wall charger is being stopped before it's fully charged but sayin it is?
Btw tried battery stats wiper stuff didn't help
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lorddart said:
Hey guys. So I was thinking my battery problem could just be a bad battery... Got some new ankers, charged them with the external battery charger. Battery lasted the time it used to: (4+ hrs screen on). I kept the battery in my phone, charged it via USB wall charger (stock) showed full battery, but died much faster. Any chance the original wall charger is being stopped before it's fully charged but sayin it is?
Btw tried battery stats wiper stuff didn't help
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Battery stats wiping is not a thing. It's a myth. This happens every time you unplug the phone when its' above a 90% charge. Most battery stat wiping apps don't even do anything. They just say they did something. Even if you did wipe battery stats, it doesn't matter. It's not a thing.
The charger doesn't have voltage cutoff. So the charger isn't purposely stopping the charge. The phone itself does though. What ROM are you using? Have you tried with a different ROM?
Thanks yeah that's what I've been told but other people say to. I just wanted to say it so it wasn't advised I do a battery stats wipe ha. And yeah I've tried a few roms same situation I'll give it a few more runs through the batteries to see but it definitely burns through the battery in about half the time after full charge via USB rather than external charger
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