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I bought this: http://goo.gl/70Els
I'm wondering if it will solve the bump charge issue and will charge the battery fully without having to go through hoops to just charge a battery!!!
I'm tired of being at 90% after ten minutes after a full night charge!
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I bought this: http://goo.gl/70Els
I'm wondering if it will solve the bump charge issue and will charge the battery fully without having to go through hoops to just charge a battery!!!
I'm tired of being at 90% after ten minutes after a full night charge!
Thanks
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Very doubtful. Your best best is the kernel being developed in the dev section with increased charging.
My question has nothing to do with the phone itself because the battery is not in the phone when its charging, it's sitting in the cradle. Nothing to do with the phone itself. Do you think the cradle will charge the battery fully and completely.
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Yea it bumps it I have one as well. But its bad for the battery.
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I've got the charger mentioned as well. I just see it charge the battery "normally" to 100%, and if needed over the next ~xx(x) hours or so, another trickle at low mA will be applied. That isn't the same as this "bump charge" that is always referred to here.
If you turn the phone off and charge, it'll charge just like the charger (Seido) to 100%.
There's lot of good info about LI batteries like this writeup: http://batteryuniversity.com/index.php/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
Anyway: I thought the main gripe about the DINC charging technique is not anything about the technique, but that it always runs the phone off the battery, rather than using the USB current when it's plugged in. Most phones use the USB (or whatever tech) to a) charge the battery and b) run the phone. Of course if this is HTC's method, then you'll very rarely unplug at 100%.
The rate of battery consumption, regardless of % starting point is more of an issue for me. Using all the SENSE/HTC/VERIZON stuff is a losing proposition more than not having 1-9% of the full capacity at 'go' time. As soon as I rooted, I dumped every app and service starting with HTC*, VER*, *sense* and battery life improved by a great deal. Yeah, I don't care about social networking (well, aside from a forum or two ) -- But I enjoy most of the other phone functionality.
The charger's fine, it's the battery that troubles me
I have the charger, too. Works fine. Does not require "bump."
But the battery (the 1750) that came with it has failed to impress me much, with a tendency to overheat. Frankly, since I rooted and started using SetCPU to underclock with screen off, I've been using the stock battery.
My battery wasn't holding a charge so I went to a T-Mobile store to get it replaced and they asked me if I leave it to charge overnight I go yeah so it has charge for the day and they told me not to because it destroys the charge. So xda community aka the experts let me know if this is true and if it is, how am I supposed to charge my phone?
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I've charged this phone almost every night since I got it (early June) and my battery is still doing outstanding. There are times when charging it over night the battery will set it self to draw battery so it can recharge and not cause harm I believe. There are many superstitious theories and others that "battery experts" say charging over night can be harmful. Overall I don't buy into too much. I always try to unplug as soon as it hits 100% though.
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I don't think its true either.. I've charged all my phones like that since I can remember and never had problems with battery, other than software related problems that drained battery, but fixable.. Did you check if maybe it was software related and not due to the battery?
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That's so stupid. With how limited these batteries are not being able to start the day at 100% is unacceptable.
I always leave it to charge overnight.
Just now I unplugged by mobile after overnight charging
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Its bs they are like bots so they are programmed to say these things. Basically to appear as they know the "answer" to your problem. So got work in the morning I'm not suppose to charge my phone overnight and leave with 5% battery in the morning, they know they charge their phone every night. When a rep ask me that same question once I said "No I leave to work with my Samsung flip phone because I can't charge my 500 phone overnight".. *sarcasm*.
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All nighter here too. No issues whatsoever. Mine Gets warm when charging the cools back down after fully charged.
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This use to be true on older phones. The galaxy S 3 and most new phones stop charging once they hit 100% it will only start charging again when it drops under 100.
And even before on older phones where it wasn't recommended I did it anyway. No harm done.
I've done this with all my phones, nothing ever happened to them
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Overcharging protection, while present, can fail.
If you guys want to have a full charge in the morning, try an outlet timer - or put it in airplane mode overnight (I do that, battery is down only 1-3% after ~8 hours). You could also turn off data + wifi - so phone calls are still there if you are really worried about getting an emergency call in the middle of the night, the call function is still there, but apps aren't syncing and wasting battery and sleep time doing so.
I'm just not comfortable with the fire risk of leaving it in overnight. Sure, it probably won't fail - but if it does ? Why take that chance when there are other solutions ? I just charge it at my desk before going to bed, unplug it when it reports full charge.
It's the same kind of risk as putting a 100W bulb in a 60W socket - sure, you might be fine for a while, you might never have problems - but you might also start a fire when components fail under the stress.
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Overcharging protection, while present, can fail.
If you guys want to have a full charge in the morning, try an outlet timer - or put it in airplane mode overnight (I do that, battery is down only 1-3% after ~8 hours). You could also turn off data + wifi - so phone calls are still there if you are really worried about getting an emergency call in the middle of the night, the call function is still there, but apps aren't syncing and wasting battery and sleep time doing so.
I'm just not comfortable with the fire risk of leaving it in overnight. Sure, it probably won't fail - but if it does ? Why take that chance when there are other solutions ? I just charge it at my desk before going to bed, unplug it when it reports full charge.
It's the same kind of risk as putting a 100W bulb in a 60W socket - sure, you might be fine for a while, you might never have problems - but you might also start a fire when components fail under the stress.
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Is there some sort of smart outlet that can stop charging when it reached 100%? I guess in a way the same as the outlets that has a master outlet and able to turn off the rest when the master outlet is off?
I charge mine overnight
I usually let me charge overnight, it hasn't caused any problems for 6 months now.
It is true that your battery being at 100% charge (even if charging to the battery has stopped) is harder on your battery and overall capacity will lower at a faster rate than one stored at 60%. The thing is the difference is negligible over a year. It is technically best for your phone to be charged to 100% and then removed from charge so the battery can drain but we are talking about the difference of wether the half life of your battery is 3 or 4 years. overnight charging is not why your battery has failed.
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It is true that your battery being at 100% charge (even if charging to the battery has stopped) is harder on your battery and overall capacity will lower at a faster rate than one stored at 60%. The thing is the difference is negligible over a year. It is technically best for your phone to be charged to 100% and then removed from charge so the battery can drain but we are talking about the difference of wether the half life of your battery is 3 or 4 years. overnight charging is not why your battery has failed.
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Agreed it was probably a defective one he got. Even though the s3 is really awesome I'm not sure all if us will still have this phone 3 or 4 years from now. So go ahead and charge it don't worry.
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Does charging my phone directly with the usb port charge the battery better than when a battery is charged on a wall charger? I've been having bad battery problems with all. 5 of my batteries (including a 3500 mah one) and I'm starting to think that when I charge my phone whatever battery is in it last longer than if it was charged on the wall charger. Can anyone confirm that this may be true?
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Does charging my phone directly with the usb port charge the battery better than when a battery is charged on a wall charger? I've been having bad battery problems with all. 5 of my batteries (including a 3500 mah one) and I'm starting to think that when I charge my phone whatever battery is in it last longer than if it was charged on the wall charger. Can anyone confirm that this may be true?
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I recall reading somewhere that charging through USB has a chance of overcharging the battery because the wall charger has an auto cutoff when the battery reaches 100% and the USB does not. This may have something to do with possible better battery life when charging through USB. Have you tried draining the phone all the way down to 1% or until it shuts off then charging it to 100% a couple times?
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I recall reading somewhere that charging through USB has a chance of overcharging the battery because the wall charger has an auto cutoff when the battery reaches 100% and the USB does not. This may have something to do with possible better battery life when charging through USB. Have you tried draining the phone all the way down to 1% or until it shuts off then charging it to 100% a couple times?
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I pretty much do that because I keep the battery in until my phone dies then just switch batteries. Whatever battery ends up in my phone by the end of the day gets charged by usb in my phone and any other batteries that died during the day get charged on the wall charger. But what your saying may be true because on the wall charger usually I find the batteries only 96~98% never actually 100%. Ill test it out and see what happens. Anyone know of a wall charger that works really well?
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It would be nice if I could find the articles I read on the matter for some weight, rather than just my comment. But anyways....
The battery is never at 100%; that is for safety reasons. Whether USB or wall charged, it won't hit 100.
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Am I the only person who is some what leary of charging my phone overnight. What I mean is, will it harm the phone any by sitting there fully charged for a few hours or more?
And that raises another question or concern. Does it hurt the device by plugging in and charging a little bit throughout the day or should I let the battery drain as much as possible then plug in?
Thanks for any replies
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Only with my laptop and dewalt 18volt lol. Because it is a nicad battery.
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Am I the only person who is some what leary of charging my phone overnight. What I mean is, will it harm the phone any by sitting there fully charged for a few hours or more?
And that raises another question or concern. Does it hurt the device by plugging in and charging a little bit throughout the day or should I let the battery drain as much as possible then plug in?
Thanks for any replies
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I don't think it will hurt the battery to leave on charge for an hr or two at 100%. It is recommended to not charge till you are 10% or under from what I read
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These phones are lithium batteries. Once it hits 100% or too hot to charge the circuit shuts down. Even my stupid cordless drill does this.
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Thanks guys. Much appreciated.
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I actually use a lower amp charger for charging over night and I notice my battery lasts much longer than compared to the 2 amp charger it came with.
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I actually use a lower amp charger for charging over night and I notice my battery lasts much longer than compared to the 2 amp charger it came with.
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I do the same
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I actually use a lower amp charger for charging over night and I notice my battery lasts much longer than compared to the 2 amp charger it came with.
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I am going to give this a try itbis a good idea thanks never thought of using a low amp
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Am I the only person who is some what leary of charging my phone overnight. What I mean is, will it harm the phone any by sitting there fully charged for a few hours or more?
And that raises another question or concern. Does it hurt the device by plugging in and charging a little bit throughout the day or should I let the battery drain as much as possible then plug in?
Thanks for any replies
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Lithium Ion batteries are in an ideal state of equilibrium when at 50% charge. If you want to maximize the overall shelf life of the battery, do your best to keep it around 50% charge and avoid the extremes like 0% and 100%. Practically speaking this is tough to do. I am frequently near a charger, so I can unplug around 60% and plug it back in around 40%. The high amperage chargers that come with the phone can add 20% in about 30-40 minutes.
So the answer to your question is, the less time your battery spends at 100% the better to maintain the quality of the battery.
LOL, I keep phone on the charger all the time. Then again, I usually have the screen on most of time.
The only danger I can think of is if someone comes out with a kernal that does SBC which can give batteries more charge, but can also damage the battery if overcharged. I haven't kept up on all the kernals, but I don't believe anyone has made any with SBC.
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Lithium Ion batteries are in an ideal state of equilibrium when at 50% charge. If you want to maximize the overall shelf life of the battery, do your best to keep it around 50% charge and avoid the extremes like 0% and 100%. Practically speaking this is tough to do. I am frequently near a charger, so I can unplug around 60% and plug it back in around 40%. The high amperage chargers that come with the phone can add 20% in about 30-40 minutes.
So the answer to your question is, the less time your battery spends at 100% the better to maintain the quality of the battery.
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50% is for storage. When in use it is optimal to charge to 100% and recharge between 10-20%, ideally at the 15% warning, which is why it's there. Charging to 100% overnight wouldn't have a huge impact on battery life for a li-ion unless you left it plugged in for several days straight. All newer good quality cellphone and mobile device li-ions have a voltage regulator and charging circuit built in. When the battery reaches 90% the voltage regulator drops the input voltage so its receiving less power til 100% once it reaches 100% the charging circuit opens and stops charging the battery, once the battery begins to discharge again while plugged in the voltage regulator switches to "trickle" charge mode which puts back a small amount of power every minute or so. When "trickle" charging the input power is so low the battery can actually drain while still charging if its being used. These are safety measures to prevent damage to the phone and battery and lessen the risk of the battery exploding, but it also helps prolong the life of the battery by preventing it from constantly overcharging if you forget to unplug it or charge over night. Hope that helps explain a bit about how charging works. Its also better to charge the battery at lower amperage outside of the device. Optimal charging for a li-ion is around 750ma on an external charger or while the device is off.
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50% is for storage. When in use it is optimal to charge to 100% and recharge between 10-20%, ideally at the 15% warning, which is why it's there. Charging to 100% overnight wouldn't have a huge impact on battery life for a li-ion unless you left it plugged in for several days straight. All newer good quality cellphone and mobile device li-ions have a voltage regulator and charging circuit built in. When the battery reaches 90% the voltage regulator drops the input voltage so its receiving less power til 100% once it reaches 100% the charging circuit opens and stops charging the battery, once the battery begins to discharge again while plugged in the voltage regulator switches to "trickle" charge mode which puts back a small amount of power every minute or so. When "trickle" charging the input power is so low the battery can actually drain while still charging if its being used. These are safety measures to prevent damage to the phone and battery and lessen the risk of the battery exploding, but it also helps prolong the life of the battery by preventing it from constantly overcharging if you forget to unplug it or charge over night. Hope that helps explain a bit about how charging works. Its also better to charge the battery at lower amperage outside of the device. Optimal charging for a li-ion is around 750ma on an external charger or while the device is off.
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This. These batteries should be above 70 precent or so as much as possible to remain efficient. Also never let it die that decreases life span.
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Is it safe to charging at night, if it's not, what will it do to the battery?
Customer service always tells me to charge it just for 3-4 hours, but I have difficulty with that since I get home late and I leave early, but I still manage to get a full battery without it charging overnight but I would just like to know
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Is it safe to charging at night, if it's not, what will it do to the battery?
Customer service always tells me to charge it just for 3-4 hours, but I have difficulty with that since I get home late and I leave early, but I still manage to get a full battery without it charging overnight but I would just like to know
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I do it when I can't get a full charge before bed; but I also wake up 2-3 times per night and tend to unplug it once I notice it's at 100%. I've read that once it reaches 100%, if it stays on charge for a certain amount of time it will switch to battery and drain, then charge back to 100% after a certain percentage is drained. I would say that's the case as I woke up one morning and the phone was at 92% charge and was in the process of charging. Battery info said it was charging on AC and the graph showed it went to 100% then back down.
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I do it when I can't get a full charge before bed; but I also wake up 2-3 times per night and tend to unplug it once I notice it's at 100%. I've read that once it reaches 100%, if it stays on charge for a certain amount of time it will switch to battery and drain, then charge back to 100% after a certain percentage is drained. I would say that's the case as I woke up one morning and the phone was at 92% charge and was in the process of charging. Battery info said it was charging on AC and the graph showed it went to 100% then back down.
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Hmm that's weird, but from the sounds of that, I don't think it's healthy for the battery to charge for a long time
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I do it when I can't get a full charge before bed; but I also wake up 2-3 times per night and tend to unplug it once I notice it's at 100%. I've read that once it reaches 100%, if it stays on charge for a certain amount of time it will switch to battery and drain, then charge back to 100% after a certain percentage is drained. I would say that's the case as I woke up one morning and the phone was at 92% charge and was in the process of charging. Battery info said it was charging on AC and the graph showed it went to 100% then back down.
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Sounds like Google services are using your phone at night. That happens to s lot of people but can be stopped if you follow the battery life thread that skipjacks started.
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Sounds like Google services are using your phone at night. That happens to s lot of people but can be stopped if you follow the battery life thread that skipjacks started.
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That thread is perfect! I would use it but I need notifications to notify me but I did use it for a night! Amazing difference
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Sounds like Google services are using your phone at night. That happens to s lot of people but can be stopped if you follow the battery life thread that skipjacks started.
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I do use that guide. My signal is terrible and is what drains my battery. I really don't believe that is related to any app running wild and draining my battery because from completely dead to 100% takes about 2.5-3 hours with me using it, WiFi on, brightness at 100%, etc; I can also easily get over 2 days without a charge with light use... It would be more but my lack of signal accounts for an almost 1.5% per hour idle drain. Good signal areas I'll drain less than .5% per hour with no use/app changes outside of having a strong signal.
Weird...
When your phone charges to 100%, your phone knows to stop charging, mine always stops charging when is says "reached 100%". I just leave it on the charger and it stays steady at 100 until i take it off.
It shouldn't effect the lithium ion, either.
I thought that was the special thing about lithium ion?
They don't wear down?
Idk, could be wrong.
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Overnight charging is a no no. More info here http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
I always leave it charging when I fall asleep. And if, IF I wake up in the middle of my sleep and see that it's at 100% I'll unplug it. If I don't wake-up I'll just leave it charging until I wake up. Been doing that since before I even had a smartphone and never had any problems. Then again I do switch phones every year
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I do use that guide. My signal is terrible and is what drains my battery. I really don't believe that is related to any app running wild and draining my battery because from completely dead to 100% takes about 2.5-3 hours with me using it, WiFi on, brightness at 100%, etc; I can also easily get over 2 days without a charge with light use... It would be more but my lack of signal accounts for an almost 1.5% per hour idle drain. Good signal areas I'll drain less than .5% per hour with no use/app changes outside of having a strong signal.
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A bad signal will definitely drain your battery. When I know I am in an area without signal and will be there for a few hours I turn my phone's power off so I have some battery left when I need it.
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I've always charged my phone at night and have never had usages with the battery.
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Bought some cheap batteries on Amazon, I charge whenever I want, however I want (typically overnight, all night). If I ruin the battery, so be it, I can just pop it out and replace it in 5 seconds. This is the real advantage of having a removable battery.
I've always left my smartphones on the charger overnight. Seven years going and haven't had any issues. I do tend to replace my battery after 9-12 months of use though.
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I do it when I can't get a full charge before bed; but I also wake up 2-3 times per night and tend to unplug it once I notice it's at 100%. I've read that once it reaches 100%, if it stays on charge for a certain amount of time it will switch to battery and drain, then charge back to 100% after a certain percentage is drained. I would say that's the case as I woke up one morning and the phone was at 92% charge and was in the process of charging. Battery info said it was charging on AC and the graph showed it went to 100% then back down.
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This sums it up. Per the article linked earlier in the thread about charging li-ion, it sounds (relatively) trivial for the device manufacturer to implement a charging cut-off after the cells reach a specific voltage level. Once the cells drop to a certain level they're safe to charge again, and the cycle starts over. I don't imagine it's great for the battery to sit on that recharge cycle, but it's not going to over-charge and become a fire hazard.
I imagine external battery chargers might be a little different. That $3 battery & charger from eBay isn't going to have the same safety regulations as a major manufacturer like Samsung.
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Overnight charging is a no no. More info here http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
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An interesting tidbit from that article.
Li-ion does not need to be fully charged, as is the case with lead acid, nor is it desirable to do so. In fact, it is better not to fully charge, because high voltages stresses the battery.
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I'm pretty sure a $600 phone can handle any of your charging blunders. Relax kid.
We're not dealing with Nokia's anymore.
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Avoiding full charge has benefits, and some manufacturers set the charge threshold lower on purpose to prolong battery life.
Lithium-ion does not need to be fully charged; a partial charge is better.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
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I'm pretty sure a $600 phone can handle any of your charging blunders. Relax kid.
We're not dealing with Nokia's anymore.
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All the other comments say not to charge over night...
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I charge mine overnight with no issues.
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I just called Samsung and they highly recommend me to not charge it over night
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Avoiding full charge has benefits, and some manufacturers set the charge threshold lower on purpose to prolong battery life.
Lithium-ion does not need to be fully charged; a partial charge is better.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
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I get the general concepts that the article presents, but it doesn't really address any advances in charging methodologies that newer devices could add. It reads like it was designed for 'dumb' devices such as cordless phones, rechargable power tools, etc. For instance, it says never to charge with the device powered on. Yet Windows Phones (at least my Lumia 800) won't charge with the device off...plugging it in automatically boots the phone up.
Our phones obviously have more advanced power circuitry, such as being able to hold the power button in and have the device power cycle no matter what state the phone is in, and I assume it applies to other parts of the phone as well.