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Does Frequent ROM Flashing Cause Inaccurate Usage Reporting??

I got the oddest bill from AT&T the other day with usage totals that were impossible. Has anyone experienced this and/or is there a possibility that it might have something to do with frequent flashing of different ROM's and Radios??

Data usage I assume? Wouldn't think any more than normal, except maybe some initial setup stuff like downloading email. Can use this to monitor what's using data if you're concerned.

Toleraen said:
Data usage I assume? Wouldn't think any more than normal, except maybe some initial setup stuff like downloading email. Can use this to monitor what's using data if you're concerned.
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No I mean like does messaging and the like which can be stored on the SIM, get reported a second time. AT&T forces you to have an unlimited data plan with the Tilt2 so no worries there. I just got a bill with something like 700 texts used in 2 days. Something I assure you I would have remembered doing. Hell, I wouldn't have been able to do much else.

nerv666999 said:
No I mean like does messaging and the like which can be stored on the SIM, get reported a second time. AT&T forces you to have an unlimited data plan with the Tilt2 so no worries there. I just got a bill with something like 700 texts used in 2 days. Something I assure you I would have remembered doing. Hell, I wouldn't have been able to do much else.
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Wow...I've been with AT&T for years, and do my fair share of texting and flashing. Can't say I remember getting a bill with that many messages reported. I don't even think any roms I've used default to save to the SIM, even though the capability exists.
The only time I've seen this is when I've been in very poor coverage areas (ie, my basement heh). I'll send a text from the basement, then go upstairs and get 8 or 9 responses (if it's an automated system). If you've got poor reception I'd recommend trying a different radio...but I doubt poor reception would cause that many repeats. Not sure man.

Toleraen said:
Wow...I've been with AT&T for years, and do my fair share of texting and flashing. Can't say I remember getting a bill with that many messages reported. I don't even think any roms I've used default to save to the SIM, even though the capability exists.
The only time I've seen this is when I've been in very poor coverage areas (ie, my basement heh). I'll send a text from the basement, then go upstairs and get 8 or 9 responses (if it's an automated system). If you've got poor reception I'd recommend trying a different radio...but I doubt poor reception would cause that many repeats. Not sure man.
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my guess would be just something screwed up in the ATT system. Check the rest of your bill and make sure everything else is in order and check your bills for the next few months.. ALSO check your last bill as they have a rule that after 1 month they wont fix it [although they will if you really push like I've had to ]

Thanks for all of the sage advice. AT&T sucks in so many ways but the one thing you can say is that if you *****, whine, cry etc. at them enough they will wipe some errant charges. I think alot of these are as Toleraen suggests, nothing more than duplicates. We shall see and I will post any and all results of my efforts to get to the bottom of this.
Thanks again

horrible signal

I cant understand why a 200 dollar phone has such horrible signal strength. I have stock rom gb ( i am rooted though) running on my incredible 2, and my db level is always between -90 to -102 showing 1 bar or none while my wifes droid x shows -72db to -70 at all times all over our house and everywhere we go. It gets even worse when I put a silicone case from verizon on it. Is there anything I can do"? I had a thunderbolt that had slightly better signal but this is ridiculous, anyone else experiencing this?
I think if this continues , I might not have a choice but to trade this phone for something else. I would really like to keep this though so any suggestions would really be appreciated thanks

Unless the devices were calibrated on the same equipment, you can't rely on the accuracy of their signal strength measurements.
Are you having any REAL problems or do you just not like what your phone displays and perceive a problem? Mine shows between -80 and -100 usually and I get great call and data performance out of it.

Try going into settings-calls-then network. I changed from global to cdma and it seemed to help. Ymmv
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Try a different back cover. The antenna is in that. May have a bad cover. Mine came with two and one of them gave me better signal than the other. Take it to verizon, they should switch it out for free. Mine gets awesome signal everywere.
Bob
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Bob-o said:
Try a different back cover. The antenna is in that. May have a bad cover. Mine came with two and one of them gave me better signal than the other. Take it to verizon, they should switch it out for free. Mine gets awesome signal everywere.
Bob
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that's really interestiing.

Can anyone confirm or have you tried factory reset after GB? On Froyo I had decent/good signal, but after GB it's been horrible. I am steady with 1-2 bars even in areas I used to get full bars and my dBm is around 90-102. My battery has seriously been crap since and I keep hearing and have been told by HTC/Verizon to do a factory reset to fix it but I don't know if I want to. Just curious if anyone has done it.

Bob-o said:
Try a different back cover. The antenna is in that. May have a bad cover. Mine came with two and one of them gave me better signal than the other. Take it to verizon, they should switch it out for free. Mine gets awesome signal everywere.
Bob
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that is correct. the antenna is in the back cover. try removing the back cover and watch as it loses signal completely. to make things worse though, it seems the antenna is focused at the bottom of the case.. so similiar issue to what the iphone 4 was having.
i wonder if there's small booster antennas you could stick on to the phone somewhere(sure sounds like nonsense but i'd give it a try).

presence06 said:
Can anyone confirm or have you tried factory reset after GB? On Froyo I had decent/good signal, but after GB it's been horrible. I am steady with 1-2 bars even in areas I used to get full bars and my dBm is around 90-102. My battery has seriously been crap since and I keep hearing and have been told by HTC/Verizon to do a factory reset to fix it but I don't know if I want to. Just curious if anyone has done it.
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yeah of course they are going to tell you that b.s. just like if you go to the geek squad with a pc problem and they'll say "oh you need to reinstall windows".
i just know if you did a reset it wouldn't fix anything.

voxigenboy said:
yeah of course they are going to tell you that b.s. just like if you go to the geek squad with a pc problem and they'll say "oh you need to reinstall windows".
i just know if you did a reset it wouldn't fix anything.
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Yea, it's the answer to solve anything just like Windows "Reboot the machine" fix.
I don't think I'll do a reset but it'd be nice to know if this will be addressed or if there's a manual fix we can do.

ok, for the hell of it i decided to buy this "cell phone signal booster"
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0004EGFAG
apparently it'll come in 3-5 days so once it arrives i'll try it out and let you guys know if it actually works or not.

voxigenboy said:
ok, for the hell of it i decided to buy this "cell phone signal booster"
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0004EGFAG
apparently it'll come in 3-5 days so once it arrives i'll try it out and let you guys know if it actually works or not.
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They still sell those? You know it's just a sticker with some ink, right? It's not going to do anything for you. They've been around for something like 20 years now and have been proven to be junk...

nimdae said:
They still sell those? You know it's just a sticker with some ink, right? It's not going to do anything for you. They've been around for something like 20 years now and have been proven to be junk...
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that's how desperate i am...
i used to have these 'radiation blocker' stickers i put on my old moto razr. doubt they did anything either but my old job was throwing them away so thought 'why not'.

Mine is horrible as well. Just got the phone 2 weeks ago b4 unl. data went bye bye. My old samsung rogue got amazing reception but this doesnt. I have not dropped a call yet though so maybe the reception bar is just a "dummy" graphic?
No difference from froyo to gb either
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This signal bar is definitely conservative. I've set the phone exactly next to my Galaxy Tab, both showing signal strength within 2 db of one another. The DInc2 showed 0 bars while the Galaxy Tab showed 2.

I know the extended battery with back cover gives me better reception then my standard cover. My phone loses signal, drops calls and isnt able to send texts or make calls sometimes while my wifes phone is able to and the wifi has been losing signal as well. On craigslist it goes

very interesting to know that the antenna is on the actual battery cover. i removed my cover and i wasnt able to see it (i assume it is built into the mold?)

eloyambres said:
Why do you think the cell phone signal booster is junk? Actually, I have got quite a good one which boost the signal at my apartment immensely. maybe you can go to their site and take a look. Their site is jammerall.com , hope I can be of help.
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What I called junk was not a signal booster. It was a sticker to be placed in the battery compartment purported to boost signal when it does nothing at all. They use to be very expensive ($20-$50) until it was proven they didn't work, then the price dropped ($1-free).
Real signal boosters (pieces of hardware which will actively boost/relay a signal) actually do something to boost signal, and they really work. They also tend to not be cheap.

luzhangmin said:
Different from other electronics, cell phones have become the necessity of every one's daily life. If someone still has no idea of mobile phones, you must say that "Out!" of course except the senior citizens. To be honest, cell phones really bring us lots of benefits. We use it for talking, sending and playing. With it, our life can be modern one, without it, we will be live in the Mars, you know, know nothing about each other. But do cell phones have no disadvantages? Of course not, more and more people are using cell phones at the cost of other interests. Noises are everywhere, especially the one of mobile phones. What should we do, throw them away? It is a stupid behavior. Have you ever heard cell phone signal booster? It is a new kind of device to solve this problem, effective in blocking the signals of your cell phone and its nearby base station. one side, the mobile phone really benefits us a lot, but another side we also benefit from its noises for a long time, so the fight between the cell phone and cell phone jammer has been a hot topic in society now. Which side you stand by, jamming or not, it depends on you.
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Have you read the dates on the previous posts? Last year, August.

$50 credit from Sprint for LOS

After seeing so many people with LOS issues (myself being one of them) I figured I was due some credit back from Sprint for my trouble. I called and got in touch with a rep who wanted to troubleshoot my phone for the problems. This is my only phone and I explanined that it is a widespread issue and that a large amount of people in forums, including the Sprint forum, are experiencing the same problems. She offered to give me a replacement phone. I explained that it wouldn't do myself, Sprint, or Samsung any favors to replace the phone when it was most likely a firmware/OS/software related issue. She offered to give me a different model. I politely refused and mentioned that I know Sprint is aware of the issue and is most likely diligently working to solve it. I only wanted some sort of reimbursement for the LOS that has happened and may continue to happen until said update arrives. She asked me to hold while she spoke to her superior. When she returned, she said she could give me a $50 credit for the inconvenience. However, if I continue to experience the same problem, they will not be able to offer any more reimbursements. I should then run through any troubleshooting that they ask me to do and possibly get a replacement. She strongly suggested that I take it in for inspection at a sprint store. I may do this. But, I would really like to have a stock ROM to flash in Odin before I do that. I can just hear the tech tell me how it was all the fault of rooting that wrecked the radio.
I would like to stress the point that I was very polite, calm, reasonable, and understanding of what she had to do while speaking to the rep.

You are giving their average tech far too much credit. Apologies to any in present company...though you likely know precisely what I mean. (If you are here you aren't their "average" guy)

buggerritt said:
After seeing so many people with LOS issues (myself being one of them) I figured I was due some credit back from Sprint for my trouble. I called and got in touch with a rep who wanted to troubleshoot my phone for the problems. This is my only phone and I explanined that it is a widespread issue and that a large amount of people in forums, including the Sprint forum, are experiencing the same problems. She offered to give me a replacement phone. I explained that it wouldn't do myself, Sprint, or Samsung any favors to replace the phone when it was most likely a firmware/OS/software related issue. She offered to give me a different model. I politely refused and mentioned that I know Sprint is aware of the issue and is most likely diligently working to solve it. I only wanted some sort of reimbursement for the LOS that has happened and may continue to happen until said update arrives. She asked me to hold while she spoke to her superior. When she returned, she said she could give me a $50 credit for the inconvenience. However, if I continue to experience the same problem, they will not be able to offer any more reimbursements. I should then run through any troubleshooting that they ask me to do and possibly get a replacement. She strongly suggested that I take it in for inspection at a sprint store. I may do this. But, I would really like to have a stock ROM to flash in Odin before I do that. I can just hear the tech tell me how it was all the fault of rooting that wrecked the radio.
I would like to stress the point that I was very polite, calm, reasonable, and understanding of what she had to do while speaking to the rep.
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This is a great tip. I'll be calling in tomorrow to describe my LOS, too! (And, of course, I'll be calm, polite, and understanding....)

daneurysm said:
You are giving their average tech far too much credit. Apologies to any in present company...though you likely know precisely what I mean. (If you are here you aren't their "average" guy)
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They have a set group of questions they are required to ask, troubleshooting that they are required to do, and are not able to offer the type of technical support that you can get in a forum. The corporation will not allow them to. Every call in is recorded and statistics are most likely kept on how to keep the average customer happy with minimal effort. This sets guidelines that are enforced on their employees. Your best bet is to be polite, and kind with them. They have to do their job and as long as you stay politely firm in what you want, generally, you will get your way. Being rude, arrogant, demeaning, or negative with them will only get you a headache and them another ****ty day at work with a story to tell in the breakroom about the last arsehole who called in and thought he/she was "somebody".

buggerritt said:
They have a set group of questions they are required to ask, troubleshooting that they are required to do, and are not able to offer the type of technical support that you can get in a forum. The corporation will not allow them to. Every call in is recorded and statistics are most likely kept on how to keep the average customer happy with minimal effort. This sets guidelines that are enforced on their employees. Your best bet is to be polite, and kind with them. They have to do their job and as long as you stay politely firm in what you want, generally, you will get your way. Being rude, arrogant, demeaning, or negative with them will only get you a headache and them another ****ty day at work with a story to tell in the breakroom about the last arsehole who called in and thought he/she was "somebody".
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Oh, I'm well aware of that. Perhaps I should have been more specific in what I was referring to:
I can just hear the tech tell me how it was all the fault of rooting that wrecked the radio.
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You have obviously rooted your phone when many pointed out that zedo causes los. Your noise about phone quality given this fact is just disturbing. I suggest you back off to stock kernal plus root that has fixed los for many including myself. And be honest with sprint that you did so instead of generating fud so they can focus on real issues.
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LOS has nothing to do with root.
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jamescho72 said:
You have obviously rooted your phone when many pointed out that zedo causes los. Your noise about phone quality given this fact is just disturbing. I suggest you back off to stock kernal plus root that has fixed los for many including myself. And be honest with sprint that you did so instead of generating fud so they can focus on real issues.
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You are completely mistaken and are barking up the wrong tree. LOS is happening to many who have not rooted their phones. If you are not experiencing LOS anymore after flashing back to stock kernal, it is purely a coincidence. I have given no "noise about phone quality". You should take a read of my post and read it in full, again. I plainly said that it was a software related issue and that Sprint is aware of it. Sprint and Samsung are working on fixing it. Links have been posted numerous times as to Samsung and Sprint being aware of the problems. Everyone who has said that Zedo's kernal has caused this has been mistaken. People who have never even heard of Zedo's kernal are having the same troubles. Please read read read before flaming. I will not reply to any more ignorant remarks when it is obvious that the flamer has misread the OP, jumped to conclusions, and flew off on a delirious tantrum.

So should I call and get $50 too? I haven't lost anything to wanna ask for a reimbursement even if I have LOS all I do is reboot...I'm not losing anything...nothing is perfect
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buggerritt said:
You are completely mistaken and are barking up the wrong tree. LOS is happening to many who have not rooted their phones. If you are not experiencing LOS anymore after flashing back to stock kernal, it is purely a coincidence. I have given no "noise about phone quality". You should take a read of my post and read it in full, again. I plainly said that it was a software related issue and that Sprint is aware of it. Sprint and Samsung are working on fixing it. Links have been posted numerous times as to Samsung and Sprint being aware of the problems. Everyone who has said that Zedo's kernal has caused this has been mistaken. People who have never even heard of Zedo's kernal are having the same troubles. Please read read read before flaming. I will not reply to any more ignorant remarks when it is obvious that the flamer has misread the OP, jumped to conclusions, and flew off on a delirious tantrum.
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LOS was caused for me through rooting. I can't speak for everyone but I can say that it did cause LOS for my device and probably others. You said it was inconvenience for you to have to go through this and mention maybe even taking your phone in for repair. You really can't blame others for assuming you are dealing with the LOS issues. And if you are not I don't really understand why you called Sprint to complain about this issue.
Maybe you should take a longer look at what you posted before deciding rather or not someone misread you. Though, it would probably be a waste of time. You've already proved to be oblivious to the fact that root is causing LOS for a lot of users.
jeffyv2 said:
So should I call and get $50 too? I haven't lost anything to wanna ask for a reimbursement even if I have LOS all I do is reboot...I'm not losing anything...nothing is perfect
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You apparently don't use your phone much for calls and text. My work calls me and will expect me to respond soon. Missing important phone calls can be really costly for me. I have standards, they don't have to be perfect but I do expect it to meet my standards. What is the point of having it if it doesn't?

jeffyv2 said:
So should I call and get $50 too? I haven't lost anything to wanna ask for a reimbursement even if I have LOS all I do is reboot...I'm not losing anything...nothing is perfect
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Do whatever you feel is ethical. I have lost plenty. I've lost business calls, missed potential appointments with clients, and numerous personal calls. I got the messages late and missed out on money and activities that I would have been involved in if I had the service that I pay a premium to rely on. The $50 doesn't come close to covering that. But, I feel that it is an act of good character that they gave it to me. I wouldn't have called and asked for it, if I didn't feel that I deserved it after being a loyal customer for over 12 years. It shouldn't be my responsibility to have to make sure I look and see if I have service every 5 minutes, when I am in an area that normally gets amazing 4G signal. I'm glad you haven't lost anything and I hope that continues for you.
BTW, I had LOS before flashing anything.

jamescho72 said:
You have obviously rooted your phone when many pointed out that zedo causes los. Your noise about phone quality given this fact is just disturbing. I suggest you back off to stock kernal plus root that has fixed los for many including myself. And be honest with sprint that you did so instead of generating fud so they can focus on real issues.
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I havnt done a single thing to my phone other than change launchers and I get LOS. Havnt rooted it, havnt even wanted to yet. This is a real problem and I hope people do continue to call in a try to get money from sprint. If this continues then they might notice, "hey maybe we should fix this problem because its costing us 50 dollars worth of credit per customer that calls in to *****". Obviously that last part is wishful thinking thought. But come on dude, no need to flame someone like that, (especially when youre wrong).

jamescho72 said:
You have obviously rooted your phone when many pointed out that zedo causes los. Your noise about phone quality given this fact is just disturbing. I suggest you back off to stock kernal plus root that has fixed los for many including myself. And be honest with sprint that you did so instead of generating fud so they can focus on real issues.
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I'm not on Zedo's kernel and I have LOS. I've had LOS on Stock without root, stock with root, v3 and v5 of ACS's kernel. Only one I haven't had LOS on is Zedo's, and that's cause I haven't tried it. Take your smug ass comments somewhere else.

I get los at work every time I bend over or kneel down to repair something,and it keeps powering down and back on. But I fixed it by moving my case to the side of my belt. My body blocked the signal and pushed the power button
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djjosh said:
I get los at work every time I bend over or kneel down to repair something,and it keeps powering down and back on. But I fixed it by moving my case to the side of my belt. My body blocked the signal and pushed the power button
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I almost fell off my chair and **** myself after reading this.

That was not a joke, its true if you have a leather pouch put it on the front of your belt and tie your shoes it will loose signal an probaby sqeeze the power button
Would be funny if I was complaning and mad
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djjosh said:
That was not a joke, its true if you have a leather pouch put it on the front of your belt and tie your shoes it will loose signal an probaby sqeeze the power button
Would be funny if I was complaning and mad
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OMG! Tears are streaming. Please stop before the convulsions set in.

It just did it again dangit im trading for a Zio
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Its not a ROM issue. If you live or travel in an area with ****ty signal you will get it. I had it about 7 times today. I ended up just turning the phone off. Basically if the phone loses signal you have to reboot.
Now I realize that many of you live in your mom's basement, work at the McD around the corner, and have a sprint tower in your back yard so you think the rest of us are crazy. No, the rest of us travel and enter areas where sprint coverage sucks.
Using roam control and leaving the phone on roaming I don't get the LOS unless I get deep into a building and lose the verizon signal.

eagercrow said:
Its not a ROM issue. If you live or travel in an area with ****ty signal you will get it. I had it about 7 times today. I ended up just turning the phone off. Basically if the phone loses signal you have to reboot.
Now I realize that many of you live in your mom's basement, work at the McD around the corner, and have a sprint tower in your back yard so you think the rest of us are crazy. No, the rest of us travel and enter areas where sprint coverage sucks.
Using roam control and leaving the phone on roaming I don't get the LOS unless I get deep into a building and lose the verizon signal.
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I live in a great spot with excellent 4G coverage. I live on my own, work for myself and am kind of crazy myself so I kind of have a right to call others crazy. I am getting the LOS bug randomly and frequently. I have full bars here at home. It just dies and gives the dead circle. It just did it less than half hour ago. It also did it numerous times while working in the field, as well..
Some say that it is fixed by resetting their MSL. Some say they fixed it by flashing a certain kernal. Some believe that if you keister a pine cone and scrub your face with lemon custard that it will fix it, too. None of these things...er...has worked for me.

Sprint selling the ET4G IS FRAUD!

THIS IS FRAUD.I talked to a high up rep for 45 minutes yesterday and she said we know it is a known issue but sorry no help for you on your bill.
She then said THIS IS A SAMSUNG PROBLEM so i said well are you selling this phone right now? she said yes.I said are you telling people this phone has these problems? she said nothing then said ill pass your concerns along.
If you want into a sprint store NO REP is going to tell you there is a known issue with this phone so they commit fraud selling a phone they say they know there is a known issue with.
Places recall stuff when there is a problem yet sprint keeps selling IT! not right.

rdcrds said:
THIS IS FRAUD.I talked to a high up rep for 45 minutes yesterday and she said we know it is a known issue but sorry no help for you on your bill.
She then said THIS IS A SAMSUNG PROBLEM so i said well are you selling this phone right now? she said yes.I said are you telling people this phone has these problems? she said nothing then said ill pass your concerns along.
If you want into a sprint store NO REP is going to tell you there is a known issue with this phone so they commit fraud selling a phone they say they know there is a known issue with.
Places recall stuff when there is a problem yet sprint keeps selling IT! not right.
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Two things:
1) You get a 14 day return policy. Use it if necessary. You have that responsibility/option as a customer.
2) Reps are going to vary. Some simply don't know.
Both reps I dealt with informed me of the issue before purchase. [One is a member of xda]

#1 You get a 14 day window and some people will not figure it out in those 14 days since there are times you can get 5 in 1 day and none for 3 days.People who are not on here may not figure it out for a month.
#2 they sell it on there website with no disclaimer it is fraud if you ask a legal expert i would bet on it.May be a very gray area but i have no doubt it is.

I can tell you about issues with every phone that is out there right now. Do you think a sales rep is going to go through the list with you.
I have no problems with my phone and have never seen an LOS on it. If the rep told me there is a probem with LOS they would have bee lying to me. lol

Yes every phone has issues but a KNOWN ISSUE THIS IS that sprint knows is widespread some issues are for like 10% but not like this where it is close to i would guess 75% to 90% of the phones do it.
This phone did it from launch and sprints knows it is a issue a known issue as sprint calls it which a rep says when they call it a known issue it is very widespread.
And it is not the reps job to tell people IT IS SPRINTS AND THEY SHOULD PUT A DISCLAIMER out on there website since it is a known issue no matter how you cut it.
And why? because they would lose sales.I would love to see any other type of place keep selling a item they know has issues.Would Ford? Honda? heck they recall them let alone stop selling them.

rdcrds said:
#1 You get a 14 day window and some people will not figure it out in those 14 days since there are times you can get 5 in 1 day and none for 3 days.People who are not on here may not figure it out for a month.
#2 they sell it on there website with no disclaimer it is fraud if you ask a legal expert i would bet on it.May be a very gray area but i have no doubt it is.
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rdcrds said:
Yes every phone has issues but a KNOWN ISSUE THIS IS that sprint knows is widespread some issues are for like 10% but not like this where it is close to i would guess 75% to 90% of the phones do it.
This phone did it from launch and sprints knows it is a issue a known issue as sprint calls it which a rep says when they call it a known issue it is very widespread.
And it is not the reps job to tell people IT IS SPRINTS AND THEY SHOULD PUT A DISCLAIMER out on there website since it is a known issue no matter how you cut it.
And why? because they would lose sales.I would love to see any other type of place keep selling a item they know has issues.Would Ford? Honda? heck they recall them let alone stop selling them.
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Okay... on one hand you say that it may happen only rarely and on the other hand you throw out numbers like 75% to 90% of phones.
Where did you get these numbers?

Ok known troll of this forum LOS is a issue that can happen 5 times in 1 day then go 3 days without it.It has no set amount of times it does it to anyone.Me it does it 1 time or so per day.It all depends on how much you use your phone.
It is totally random how much it happens to each phone.But weather it happens 1 time a day or 5 or whatever amount it happens to a major amount of the phones.Enough to call it a very known issue by sprint.
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rdcrds said:
Ok known troll of this forum LOS is a issue that can happen 5 times in 1 day then go 3 days without it.It has no set amount of times it does it to anyone.Me it does it 1 time or so per day.It all depends on how much you use your phone.
It is totally random how much it happens to each phone.But weather it happens 1 time a day or 5 or whatever amount it happens to a major amount of the phones.Enough to call it a very known issue by sprint.
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Honestly, if asking you where you get numbers from and pointing out absurdities is "being a troll on xda" then you can sign me and any rational person up for that list.

I'm a troll too... Came from a moment and I hate to tell you guys, but every sammy phone suffers from data lock/LOS... Sorry to be the bearer of bad news...
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I wanna troll too.....I dont have any signal problems with mine

rdcrds said:
Ok known troll of this forum LOS is a issue that can happen 5 times in 1 day then go 3 days without it.It has no set amount of times it does it to anyone.Me it does it 1 time or so per day.It all depends on how much you use your phone.
It is totally random how much it happens to each phone.But weather it happens 1 time a day or 5 or whatever amount it happens to a major amount of the phones.Enough to call it a very known issue by sprint.
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Bro your being a **** and unrealistic , the phone has a problem it will be sorted, I know the PHOTON has had a ton of patches sent out since day 2 when they started having loss of sound in the earpiece, although it sucks having patches but regardless it is still one of the best 2 phones we see #1 being the ET4G! The los is annoying but brief and is being worked on as we rant about the only true negative with this product!
Fraud? Legal experts? hahaha you dont think Sprint and Samsung both have a legal team haha come on to be annoyed is one thing but dont start trying to throw out hints for somebody else to fight your battle

75% - 90%.....lol
Glad you threw out the facts.....You must have been a pretty busy person pulling your metrics and data.
This number is based on few users on XDA who are known to root their phones. If you were truly going to do a test, it would have to be based on untouched never rooted phone. Rooted phones would not even be considered in the data gathered, so that leaves out most XDA users.
You do realize how many of these phones are sold and how many of it's users are actually on this site, right?

rdcrds said:
THIS IS FRAUD.I talked to a high up rep for 45 minutes yesterday and she said we know it is a known issue but sorry no help for you on your bill.
She then said THIS IS A SAMSUNG PROBLEM so i said well are you selling this phone right now? she said yes.I said are you telling people this phone has these problems? she said nothing then said ill pass your concerns along.
If you want into a sprint store NO REP is going to tell you there is a known issue with this phone so they commit fraud selling a phone they say they know there is a known issue with.
Places recall stuff when there is a problem yet sprint keeps selling IT! not right.
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How old are you?! Have you ever bought anything anywhere?! That's how sales are done buddy. It's up to you to research the product prior to investing in it. The rep will always try to close the sale by exagerating, omitting things. It is not fraud in this country.

90% of statistics are made up on the spot..
A false representation of a matter of fact—whether by words or by conduct, by false or misleading allegations, or by concealment of what should have been disclosed—that deceives and is intended to deceive another so that the individual will act upon it to her or his legal injury.
Fraud must be proved by showing that the defendant's actions involved five separate elements: (1) a false statement of a material fact,(2) knowledge on the part of the defendant that the statement is untrue, (3) intent on the part of the defendant to deceive the alleged victim, (4) justifiable reliance by the alleged victim on the statement, and (5) injury to the alleged victim as a result.
A statement of belief is not a statement of fact and thus is not fraudulent. Puffing, or the expression of a glowing opinion by a seller, is likewise not fraudulent. For example, a car dealer may represent that a particular vehicle is "the finest in the lot." Although the statement may not be true, it is not a statement of fact, and a reasonable buyer would not be justified in relying on it.

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75% - 90%.....lol
Glad you threw out the facts.....You must have been a pretty busy person pulling your metrics and data.
This number is based on few users on XDA who are known to root their phones. If you were truly going to do a test, it would have to be based on untouched never rooted phone. Rooted phones would not even be considered in the data gathered, so that leaves out most XDA users.
You do realize how many of these phones are sold and how many of it's users are actually on this site, right?
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The percent of phones is not known. Who will release statistics, Sprint? Samsung? I don't think either. My phone is bone stock and I have had LOS only a handful of times I know of. I get data roaming several times/week at my house and this is while on wifi. Does not wifi count as a data connection? Hope this improves with software update but could become worse till better. If I treated patients like this I would lose my license and be on welfare.
Doc

Stock pulled kernal/root and cwm. Stock rom. No Los for a week now. Also noticed that juicedefender cause the issue sometimes. After getting rid of it. I'm all good.
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It's not like you couldn't trade your Epic Touch for any of the other high end phones with money on top. Quit crying and wait for a fix or trade it. Or buy an iPhone 4s. Oh wait, they aren't perfect either. I hear their battery life is poor compared to the 4.
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When I was a custom kernel, I got LOS around 3x per day as OP does. When I switched back to stock, the number reduced to 0. Same with a friend who I did the same thing with.
Op,
If you are *****ing about LOS, and are on a custom kernel, then I have no sympathy. If you are on a stock kernel, ROM then raise hell brutha

I've never experienced LOS on both my Epic 4g, and my Epic 4g Touch. Weird.

rdcrds said:
THIS IS FRAUD.I talked to a high up rep for 45 minutes yesterday and she said we know it is a known issue but sorry no help for you on your bill.
She then said THIS IS A SAMSUNG PROBLEM so i said well are you selling this phone right now? she said yes.I said are you telling people this phone has these problems? she said nothing then said ill pass your concerns along.
If you want into a sprint store NO REP is going to tell you there is a known issue with this phone so they commit fraud selling a phone they say they know there is a known issue with.
Places recall stuff when there is a problem yet sprint keeps selling IT! not right.
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For the first time ever, I actually agree with one of your posts. For Sprint to claim that the responsibility is on Samsung is disingenuous and only a tactic to deflect customer anger.

Last resort before I return my S2..

I surely hope this topic hasn't been made... I don't want to be that guy.
Short and sweet... I'm rooted (that MAY not have anything to do with it)
I got this phone launch day... It worked perfectly. Not saying this is the reason why but as soon as the Iphone 4S was released my phone started failing.. Essentially what it does is give me a fast paced busy signal when I try to make a call. Sometimes I have to attempt to make a car 15 times or more. Of course that is annoying but people also get the same signal when they try to call me. Since I'm in sales that is a huge problem.
I called Sprint, the local store. The lady told me that while OG EVOs were having that issue I was the first SII. She said sprint was currently upgrading (and I read stuff in the news to back that up on a national level).
So after receiving no help from the local store I called the 1800 sprint1 stuffola.. They had me go through the whole ##xxxx## stuff. After doing that and it not fixing the problem they suggested I go to a sprint store and have my phone replaced. Now I, don't want to do that. I really don't want someone else’s phone and I just have this thing.. Where I don't want another phone (even though it will be an SII).
Now, I have an airwave at the house and I have absolutely no problem there. Calls come and go as they please. Which makes me feel like it isn't my phone. Is there anything I can do before I go and replace my baby... I really don't feel like going through the whole unrooting process and getting rid of the triangle before I go in there...
I've done PRL updates so that isn't it.

Not sure, but maybe try flashing the new modem...
Bobby O'S Epic Touch..

I had issues with busy signals and calls not going through also....until I turned off Google voice from my computer. I was using Google voice and groove ip to make calls over wifi and once I turned wifi off my phone was useless. If you aren't using GV then I have no clue lol.
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Odin this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1351761
Be happy

It was google voice!
Thanks a lot for your help guys.
Hey Poppy, want to know what makes your answer that much more freakish... I live in Chambersburg, Pa. I work in Greencastle. Small world. Thanks again.

Glad you figured it out!! Dealing with Sprint exchanges are a pain in the ass... :/
I was going to say there is a root that wont affect your counter or add the yellow triangle.. But it's moot now haha

tuna-83 said:
It was google voice!
Thanks a lot for your help guys.
Hey Poppy, want to know what makes your answer that much more freakish... I live in Chambersburg, Pa. I work in Greencastle. Small world. Thanks again.
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Wow just saw this post after all this time....I worked at Jerr-Dan for almost 3 years. Very small world.
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