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Unlocked TELUS PRO2 does not work on FIDO 3G network?

I bought HTC PRO2 (RHOD500) from Telus. I just noticed that it does not work on fido 3G network. GSM is fine.
If the Hard-SPL for world phone is released, can I use 3G fido network at that time?
Thanks

You can pay to get it sim unlocked now and it will work. Search for tmobile unlock on ebay. I am on Telus and it works perfect.

leanne said:
You can pay to get it sim unlocked now and it will work. Search for tmobile unlock on ebay. I am on Telus and it works perfect.
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I knew that, and my phone has been unlocked. I can make phone call without any problem.
However, I can not use it with fido 3G network.
It does not work at all

Hey,
I don’t think its the phone . I have seen this issue many times in the past All your data settings are still set up for TELUS and the CDMA network, It’s not as simple as just unlocking the SIM card to get the data to work you have to go in an re-program the phone. I would suggest finding the Data setting on a Windows mobile device Fido has and just copying those into you Touch Pro 2. (you will most likely need to do this by hand)
Can’t promise it will work as I know some Carriers have certain fields added and removed to fit their needs which messes up the phone when you unlock it to use on other networks.

Wait!!
does this mean the RHOD500 has GSM and CDMA??
--- Does this mean?
1. Buy Telus TP2
2. Unlock
3. Switch to Fido/Rogers
4. Flash 6.1 GSM rom
5. Use 3g?

I think the issue here is that the Telus TP2 has had the 850/1900MHz UMTS bands disabled for some retarded reason. (Seems especially retarded seeing as how they are rolling out a UMTS network running on those bands in a couple of months).
There is speculation that the bands physically exist on the Telus TP2 but they have been software disabled. The other possibility is that the hardware is not physically present to utilize the 850/1900MHz bands that Fido/Rogers use for their 3G data and that the Telus TP2 will never work on their 3G networks (as well as its own upcoming one) but I think that would be a seriously regretful move on Telus' part.
The spec sheet for the MSM7600 indicates that the phone may or may not be capable of using the 850/1900MHz bands, but according to HTC and Telus' specifications it definitely is able to use the 2100MHz bands (which makes zero sense in Canada since nobody will be using those bands for a long time).

Rick#2 said:
I think the issue here is that the Telus TP2 has had the 850/1900MHz UMTS bands disabled for some retarded reason. (Seems especially retarded seeing as how they are rolling out a UMTS network running on those bands in a couple of months).
There is speculation that the bands physically exist on the Telus TP2 but they have been software disabled. The other possibility is that the hardware is not physically present to utilize the 850/1900MHz bands that Fido/Rogers use for their 3G data and that the Telus TP2 will never work on their 3G networks (as well as its own upcoming one) but I think that would be a seriously regretful move on Telus' part.
The spec sheet for the MSM7600 indicates that the phone may or may not be capable of using the 850/1900MHz bands, but according to HTC and Telus' specifications it definitely is able to use the 2100MHz bands (which makes zero sense in Canada since nobody will be using those bands for a long time).
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This isn't extremely helpful, but
http://web.archive.org/web/20071025232258/www.cdmatech.com/download_library/pdf/msm7600_chipset.pdf
according to that (if I'm reading right) there has to be at least 1 other UMTS band, no configuration is ONLY 2100MHz (the chipset that does only that doesnt do the 1900MHz PCS band for CDMA). But really, I'm pretty much guessing.

Hi I am using the unlocked Telus version on Fido. It's true that you can't use 3G because the phone does not support the required bands. But I still use EDGE. It's slower but better than nothing. Create a new connection and name it Fido. APN is : internet.fido.ca
Username: fido
PW: fido
Hope this helps.

https://www.telusmobility.com/en/QC/htc_touchpro2_t7379/index.shtml
Go to this site, click on the Details button and you'll see that the TP2 supports all of the above mentioned Bands. The bands are all software locked and once Telus initializes the new network (along with WinMo 6.5) they will offer the firmware upgrade to open ALL the GSM bands. It'll just be the question of unlocking the simlock on the device!

wraith79 said:
https://www.telusmobility.com/en/QC/htc_touchpro2_t7379/index.shtml
Go to this site, click on the Details button and you'll see that the TP2 supports all of the above mentioned Bands. The bands are all software locked and once Telus initializes the new network (along with WinMo 6.5) they will offer the firmware upgrade to open ALL the GSM bands. It'll just be the question of unlocking the simlock on the device!
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I think that maybe you are confusing GSM bands with the UMTS/HSPA bands.
There's a big difference between the GSM/Edge bands and WCDMA/UMTS.
I have been following the subject and there`s no concrete evidence that the 850/1900 WCDMA/UMTS bands are only software.
Where the hell did you get your firmware upgrade information? I've only seen this info given as pure speculation!
If the TouchPro 1 is any indication, the phone might be missing some key components to make it work. In the case of the TP1 it was the amplifier that was missing so it couldn't work even chipset and everything could support it.
(see: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=420865&page=40)
So while it's possible, until someone does a teardown of the phone and we see all the required component it's simply not possible to say that 3G on a GSM network is possible.
The ONLY indication I have seen that it might support 850/1900 HSPA network is the fact that telus stated that the Tour and Storm will not work on the HSPA network. They failed to mention the TP2 so maybe we can read between the lines:
http://mobilesyrup.com/2009/08/16/t...be-compatible-with-the-canadian-hspa-network/

Axeslocked said:
Wait!!
does this mean the RHOD500 has GSM and CDMA??
--- Does this mean?
1. Buy Telus TP2
2. Unlock
3. Switch to Fido/Rogers
4. Flash 6.1 GSM rom
5. Use 3g?
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Oh and please never flash a GSM rom on a CDMA / World phone!

labbbby said:
Oh and please never flash a GSM rom on a CDMA / World phone!
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lol.. I second that

UMTS Bands
labbbby said:
I think that maybe you are confusing GSM bands with the UMTS/HSPA bands.
There's a big difference between the GSM/Edge bands and WCDMA/UMTS.
I have been following the subject and there`s no concrete evidence that the 850/1900 WCDMA/UMTS bands are only software.
Where the hell did you get your firmware upgrade information? I've only seen this info given as pure speculation!
If the TouchPro 1 is any indication, the phone might be missing some key components to make it work. In the case of the TP1 it was the amplifier that was missing so it couldn't work even chipset and everything could support it.
(see: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=420865&page=40)
So while it's possible, until someone does a teardown of the phone and we see all the required component it's simply not possible to say that 3G on a GSM network is possible.
The ONLY indication I have seen that it might support 850/1900 HSPA network is the fact that telus stated that the Tour and Storm will not work on the HSPA network. They failed to mention the TP2 so maybe we can read between the lines:
http://mobilesyrup.com/2009/08/16/t...be-compatible-with-the-canadian-hspa-network/
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I have been following this debate on multiple forums.
Based on some information from RileyFreeman, I do think Telus will enable the TouchPro2 for new HSPA network.
Granted, today, you can unlock and use on Rogers, Fido or ATT networks using EDGE, it would be a real poor move for Telus to not have an upgrade path to HSPA.
This is Telus's non Blackberry flagship business device, today, Telus has Enterprise customers testing the HSPA network (likely either PC cards or USB modems). Once HTC releases Windows Mobile 6.5, this would be an ideal time to upgrade the radio's and unlock the 850/1900 UMTS bands.
I can see the 850/1900 bands today, not 100% if they are actually there, also wondering if Telus is also waiting for ATT to release TP2 so ATT can test ROM, Sprint nor Verizon would not have any need to do any regression testing on ROM that supports UMTS bands. Tell tale sign will be if ATT TP2 has same chipset as Telus TP2.
I am crossing my fingers that TP2 will support Telus Canadian SIM.

I agree with you points. By seing the bands you mean in windows mobile band selction settings? If so these are always there.
I highly doubt ATT will use the same chipset as Telus since they use the MSM7600 to support both GSM and CDMA. ATT as no need for CDMA.
Also to support my claim:
ATT is RHOD300 device.
I think Telus is RHOD500 and Sprint is RHOD400 (can't find this info but I know 400/500 are both world phone, so it might be the opposit or something)
Different RHODXXX indicates differents innards.
Bottom line I want a TP2 with 3G on Fido so Im crossing my finders too!
Edit:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/04/atandts-htc-touch-pro2-hits-the-fcc/
So that's Rhodium 100 for T-Mobile, 400/500 for Sprint and Verizon (or vice-versa) and 300 for AT&T
Noob mistake on my part I think the Rhodium XXX is FCC ...so why did I think Telus was in there =\

Sprint is RHOD400, Verizon and Telus both are RHOD500.

Is my Galaxy Nexus SIM Unlocked?

Sorry, this question has probably been beat to death.
Is there a way I can verify if my Galaxy Nexus is SIM unlocked without putting in another SIM card? I don't have any other SIM available to test.
I got my phone from Telus with a new contract. The model shows GT-I9250TSDTLS and UPC is 629018066749.
I've read numerous reports that Galaxy Nexus in Canada comes factory unlocked. I was hoping I could verify before heading off on my trip, and making an unfortunate discovery.
Cheers,
jasphair

I'm not familiar with the Telus network as I do not live in Canada but it is my understanding that pretty much all carriers around the world lock the phone to their own network. This of course can be corrected by rooting then flashing 'universal' firmware on it.

jasphair said:
Sorry, this question has probably been beat to death.
Is there a way I can verify if my Galaxy Nexus is SIM unlocked without putting in another SIM card? I don't have any other SIM available to test.
I got my phone from Telus with a new contract. The model shows GT-I9250TSDTLS and UPC is 629018066749.
I've read numerous reports that Galaxy Nexus in Canada comes factory unlocked. I was hoping I could verify before heading off on my trip, and making an unfortunate discovery.
Cheers,
jasphair
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I think it may be unlocked to Canadian carriers - I put a Rogers SIM in my Bell device and there was no request for a network unlock code - but when I went into fastboot mode the screen indicated my device was locked so I unlocked it using the Galaxy Nexus Toolkit. By the time I got drivers installed on a computer I was so frustrated that I chose the easy way.

you guys are confusing the locked bootloader to sim lock. they are two different things. unlocked bootloader allows you to flash roms, unlocked sim allows you to use sim cards from other carriers.
correct me of im wrong here but all north american gnex are sim unlocked. I've read here some people that have the UK gnex are carrier sim locked.

I'm pretty sure my Nexus is unlocked so yours should be too

All CDN carriers have unlocked GNs. A few countries abroad have SIM-locked GNs.

I don't know about Canada since i'm living in Norway, but if you get a new contract which subsidize the phone to make it a little cheaper they usually sim lock the phone.

Herman76 said:
I don't know about Canada since i'm living in Norway, but if you get a new contract which subsidize the phone to make it a little cheaper they usually sim lock the phone.
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same here in canada, all the carriers that subsidize with contracts lock their phone. i've never gotten an sim unlocked phone from a carrier in canada until the galaxy nexus.

Yep, few of my friends and I have the GNex here in Vancouver BC. All Carrier unlocked, from North America (we swapped sims and tried each one).
Gotta love the unlocked, Pentaband goodness.

gundamboy said:
Yep, few of my friends and I have the GNex here in Vancouver BC. All Carrier unlocked, from North America (we swapped sims and tried each one).
Gotta love the unlocked, Pentaband goodness.
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so the same galaxy nexus will work with the gsm carriers like rogers, telus, bell as well as mobilicity and wind?

neotekz said:
so the same galaxy nexus will work with the gsm carriers like rogers, telus, bell as well as mobilicity and wind?
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Rogers is the only GSM carrier you have listed.
Every company in the list is an HSPA carrier.
Yes it will work on all of them.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk

cmstlist said:
All CDN carriers have unlocked GNs. A few countries abroad have SIM-locked GNs.
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Even specifically the Telus Nexus signed on a three-year contract? Excuse me for my ignorance but I thought Telus, Rogers, Bell, etc. were only selling them unlocked if you bought them no contract. Thanks in advance.

cmstlist said:
Rogers is the only GSM carrier you have listed.
Every company in the list is an HSPA carrier.
Yes it will work on all of them.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk
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You do realize that hspa is a gsm technology. all the providers are now on gsm tigers has just been on it longer.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus

Matridom said:
You do realize that hspa is a gsm technology. all the providers are now on gsm tigers has just been on it longer.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
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HSPA is a UMTS technology. UMTS networks are designed to be compatible for mode-switching with GSM, but they are fundamentally different technologies.
If you take a phone that has all GSM bands and no 3G support, and you insert a Bell or Telus SIM, you will get no signal. Therefore they are not GSM networks.

cmstlist said:
HSPA is a UMTS technology. UMTS networks are designed to be compatible for mode-switching with GSM, but they are fundamentally different technologies.
If you take a phone that has all GSM bands and no 3G support, and you insert a Bell or Telus SIM, you will get no signal. Therefore they are not GSM networks.
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To put the argument to rest, 3GPP Sepcification:
The term "3GPP specification" covers all GSM (including GPRS and EDGE), W-CDMA and LTE (including LTE-Advanced) specifications. The following terms are also used to describe networks using the 3G specifications: UTRAN, UMTS (in Europe) and FOMA (in Japan).
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Bell and Telus do not have GPRS/EDGE networks created, hence phones are not backwards compatible on those networks, you *must* have UMTS coverage to have a phone conversation if you have one of their SIMs. This however does not change the fact, UMTS is a third generation GSM technology.

Matridom said:
To put the argument to rest, 3GPP Sepcification:
The term "3GPP specification" covers all GSM (including GPRS and EDGE), W-CDMA and LTE (including LTE-Advanced) specifications. The following terms are also used to describe networks using the 3G specifications: UTRAN, UMTS (in Europe) and FOMA (in Japan).
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Bell and Telus do not have GPRS/EDGE networks created, hence phones are not backwards compatible on those networks, you *must* have UMTS coverage to have a phone conversation if you have one of their SIMs. This however does not change the fact, UMTS is a third generation GSM technology.
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The quote says nothing of the sort. The paragraph you have quoted says that GSM and UMTS are both 3GPP specified technologies. It does not mean that UMTS is a "GSM technology". It is needlessly confusing to refer to UMTS-only networks as GSM. If a network does not support a GSM-only device, it should not be described as GSM, end of story.

cmstlist said:
The quote says nothing of the sort. The paragraph you have quoted says that GSM and UMTS are both 3GPP specified technologies. It does not mean that UMTS is a "GSM technology". It is needlessly confusing to refer to UMTS-only networks as GSM. If a network does not support a GSM-only device, it should not be described as GSM, end of story.
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Feels like an academia perspective.
To the average consumer GSM means that that it uses a SIM. Another example is the use of 4G to mean a certain speed, yet none of today's phones are 4g phones.
I guess the question is, are we discussing real world or academia?
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cmstlist said:
The quote says nothing of the sort. The paragraph you have quoted says that GSM and UMTS are both 3GPP specified technologies. It does not mean that UMTS is a "GSM technology". It is needlessly confusing to refer to UMTS-only networks as GSM. If a network does not support a GSM-only device, it should not be described as GSM, end of story.
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If you like, I can keep finding references:
http://www.gsma.com/mobile-technology/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Speed_Downlink_Packet_Access
http://www.intomobile.com/2008/10/1...sm-plans-for-canada-hspa-3g-networks-by-2010/
What you are confusing is GPRS with GSM.
GSM is an umbrella standard that incorporates many different techs, INCLUDING GPRS/EDGE (2G) and UMTS/HSPA(3G).
It's the difference between saying that all poodles are dogs vs all dogs are poodles.
What you are trying to say is that Telus and Bell do not support GPRS/EDGE which is correct. They DO support HSPA/UMTS which is in the GSM standard.
Edit: This thread is getting hijacked and i don't want that. Believe what you will, I won't be responding any more in this thread.

[Q] Radio Frequency

I have a Galaxy S3 purchased in the UK that is compatible with Rogers, Fido, and Bell in Canada, however i tried to put a mobilicity SIM in and it wont work. They told me at the store that its because of the radio frequency that my phone carries. Ive done research into this and ive found that it can be changed, however instructions to do this are vague and unclear. Can someone please help me with this?

If the phone doesn't have the appropriate radio to support the AWS band (1700MHz), software won't allow you to do it. Given from everything I can see on the GT-i9300 specs (which is the UK model), you will not be able to use this on Wind or Mobilicity at all.

Yea it doesn't work on Wind or Mobilicity.

Sorry to bump up an old thread, but is it possible to flash the LTE Version of this phone so the i747 with a WIND Mobile Baseband and have it working on wind?

Nope. They are different phones. My earlier post applies here too.
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[Q] will it work if use mobilcity sim card?

This is my scenario. I own a galaxy SIII bought from ROGERS. I'm fed up with them and I want to switch to mobilcity. a customer rep from mobilcity told me that their simcard will not work on my phone . is that true? My phone is unlocked and I have a custom ROM. He mentioned because of the difference in the hardware. I'm not knowledgeable enough in this filed but I thought it was bull****. If my phone is unlocked how can it not work with their simcard?

That's interesting because they sell sims specifically for your gsm s3 here:
http://freeyourcellphone.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=121

neuropass said:
This is my scenario. I own a galaxy SIII bought from ROGERS. I'm fed up with them and I want to switch to mobilcity. a customer rep from mobilcity told me that their simcard will not work on my phone . is that true? My phone is unlocked and I have a custom ROM. He mentioned because of the difference in the hardware. I'm not knowledgeable enough in this filed but I thought it was bull****. If my phone is unlocked how can it not work with their simcard?
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It might be because mobilicity uses a different baseband. I'm not too sure about it though.
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neuropass said:
This is my scenario. I own a galaxy SIII bought from ROGERS. I'm fed up with them and I want to switch to mobilcity. a customer rep from mobilcity told me that their simcard will not work on my phone . is that true? My phone is unlocked and I have a custom ROM. He mentioned because of the difference in the hardware. I'm not knowledgeable enough in this filed but I thought it was bull****. If my phone is unlocked how can it not work with their simcard?
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The customer rep is correct. Mobilicity uses AWS spectrum for their network (1700 MHz), and the Rogers version of the S3 does not support this frequency. You need the T-Mobile version (SGH-T999).

ddt68 said:
The customer rep is correct. Mobilicity uses AWS spectrum for their network (1700 MHz), and the Rogers version of the S3 does not support this frequency. You need the T-Mobile version (SGH-T999).
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The 1700MHz LTE freq is supported by the i747m

xBeerdroiDx said:
The 1700MHz LTE freq is supported by the i747m
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Yeah, but Mobilicity uses HSPA/HSPA+ on AWS, not LTE.

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Yeah, but Mobilicity uses HSPA/HSPA+ on AWS, not LTE.
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I see. Are they the only network that operates that way? I've seen some of their Web ads and it appears deceiving, like any US/Canadian variant will work on their network

All SGH i747/747M have the exact same hardware. The only difference is the carrier

xBeerdroiDx said:
I see. Are they the only network that operates that way? I've seen some of their Web ads and it appears deceiving, like any US/Canadian variant will work on their network
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Mobilicity, Wind Mobile and Videotron are the three new competitors on the market, and they all use HSPA on AWS. They don't typically advertise that you need a specific phone, but the FAQs on their web site do, and their reps are quick to point it out.
All three are rumored to be looking at LTE, but that's only likely to occur after the upcoming 700MHz spectrum auction.

ddt68 said:
The customer rep is correct. Mobilicity uses AWS spectrum for their network (1700 MHz), and the Rogers version of the S3 does not support this frequency. You need the T-Mobile version (SGH-T999).
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Well I made a fool of myself... I had forgotten mobilecity was included in the t-mobile forum. It looks like t-mobile phones will but not one like rogers and at&t.
EDIT: Does Canada has a prepaid/no contract carrier that is compatible with the big three in canada ?

hednik said:
Well I made a fool of myself... I had forgotten mobilecity was included in the t-mobile forum. It looks like t-mobile phones will but not one like rogers and at&t.
EDIT: Does Canada has a prepaid/no contract carrier that is compatible with the big three in canada ?
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Yes, there are a few MVNOs, such as Petro-Canada Mobility, PC Mobility, Speakout Wireless; these all use either the Rogers or Bell 3G networks, but not LTE. Each of the big three also owns a few more companies: Fido and Chatr (Rogers), Koodo (Telus) and Virgin (Bell).

TMOBILE T989 in canada

I sent this phone to my friend in canada. (Mississauga, ON).
He went to get the mobility sim and was told that this phone will not work with them, they need AWS 1700/2100.
What other carrier this phone can be used with and what other cheaper plans are available in that market.
Will rep.
Thanks

Anyone?

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Anyone?
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That's weird, according to here http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s_ii_t989-4129.php the phone has the 1700/2100 band. Hell, T-Mobile operates it's "4G" network on the 1700/2100. I've used my phone in El Salvador with Claro and they run on the 1700/2100 band and I've gotten HSPA+ just fine Tell your friend to try the Mobility sim anyways. He should be getting HSPA+

T989 in Canada
Don't know why it will not work on MOST carriers. I have one on Rogers and was running T-Mobile software with no problem A friend tried to run my phone on Wind and it was a no go. The phone came with Kodo Software on it , so I guess it worked there too I am currently running a set of software called SHADOW that works very well on the Rogers service..

Yes it will work, I use this phone on Wind mobile ( AWS ).. its a telus/koodo t-989d
There are guides on XDA to unlock the phone, You basically root, then install the t-mobile v. 4 radio, then enter the test menu and do a couple of things. It was super easy and I have done it to a couple of 989d's now. keep in mind, you HAVE TO HAVE THE ORIGINAL STOCK ROM to do the unlock properly.. after you have unlocked, you can upgrade to the newer ver. 6 radio and use newer roms.