This is my scenario. I own a galaxy SIII bought from ROGERS. I'm fed up with them and I want to switch to mobilcity. a customer rep from mobilcity told me that their simcard will not work on my phone . is that true? My phone is unlocked and I have a custom ROM. He mentioned because of the difference in the hardware. I'm not knowledgeable enough in this filed but I thought it was bull****. If my phone is unlocked how can it not work with their simcard?
That's interesting because they sell sims specifically for your gsm s3 here:
http://freeyourcellphone.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=121
neuropass said:
This is my scenario. I own a galaxy SIII bought from ROGERS. I'm fed up with them and I want to switch to mobilcity. a customer rep from mobilcity told me that their simcard will not work on my phone . is that true? My phone is unlocked and I have a custom ROM. He mentioned because of the difference in the hardware. I'm not knowledgeable enough in this filed but I thought it was bull****. If my phone is unlocked how can it not work with their simcard?
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It might be because mobilicity uses a different baseband. I'm not too sure about it though.
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neuropass said:
This is my scenario. I own a galaxy SIII bought from ROGERS. I'm fed up with them and I want to switch to mobilcity. a customer rep from mobilcity told me that their simcard will not work on my phone . is that true? My phone is unlocked and I have a custom ROM. He mentioned because of the difference in the hardware. I'm not knowledgeable enough in this filed but I thought it was bull****. If my phone is unlocked how can it not work with their simcard?
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The customer rep is correct. Mobilicity uses AWS spectrum for their network (1700 MHz), and the Rogers version of the S3 does not support this frequency. You need the T-Mobile version (SGH-T999).
ddt68 said:
The customer rep is correct. Mobilicity uses AWS spectrum for their network (1700 MHz), and the Rogers version of the S3 does not support this frequency. You need the T-Mobile version (SGH-T999).
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The 1700MHz LTE freq is supported by the i747m
xBeerdroiDx said:
The 1700MHz LTE freq is supported by the i747m
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Yeah, but Mobilicity uses HSPA/HSPA+ on AWS, not LTE.
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Yeah, but Mobilicity uses HSPA/HSPA+ on AWS, not LTE.
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I see. Are they the only network that operates that way? I've seen some of their Web ads and it appears deceiving, like any US/Canadian variant will work on their network
All SGH i747/747M have the exact same hardware. The only difference is the carrier
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I see. Are they the only network that operates that way? I've seen some of their Web ads and it appears deceiving, like any US/Canadian variant will work on their network
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Mobilicity, Wind Mobile and Videotron are the three new competitors on the market, and they all use HSPA on AWS. They don't typically advertise that you need a specific phone, but the FAQs on their web site do, and their reps are quick to point it out.
All three are rumored to be looking at LTE, but that's only likely to occur after the upcoming 700MHz spectrum auction.
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The customer rep is correct. Mobilicity uses AWS spectrum for their network (1700 MHz), and the Rogers version of the S3 does not support this frequency. You need the T-Mobile version (SGH-T999).
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Well I made a fool of myself... I had forgotten mobilecity was included in the t-mobile forum. It looks like t-mobile phones will but not one like rogers and at&t.
EDIT: Does Canada has a prepaid/no contract carrier that is compatible with the big three in canada ?
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Well I made a fool of myself... I had forgotten mobilecity was included in the t-mobile forum. It looks like t-mobile phones will but not one like rogers and at&t.
EDIT: Does Canada has a prepaid/no contract carrier that is compatible with the big three in canada ?
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Yes, there are a few MVNOs, such as Petro-Canada Mobility, PC Mobility, Speakout Wireless; these all use either the Rogers or Bell 3G networks, but not LTE. Each of the big three also owns a few more companies: Fido and Chatr (Rogers), Koodo (Telus) and Virgin (Bell).
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Sorry, this question has probably been beat to death.
Is there a way I can verify if my Galaxy Nexus is SIM unlocked without putting in another SIM card? I don't have any other SIM available to test.
I got my phone from Telus with a new contract. The model shows GT-I9250TSDTLS and UPC is 629018066749.
I've read numerous reports that Galaxy Nexus in Canada comes factory unlocked. I was hoping I could verify before heading off on my trip, and making an unfortunate discovery.
Cheers,
jasphair
I'm not familiar with the Telus network as I do not live in Canada but it is my understanding that pretty much all carriers around the world lock the phone to their own network. This of course can be corrected by rooting then flashing 'universal' firmware on it.
jasphair said:
Sorry, this question has probably been beat to death.
Is there a way I can verify if my Galaxy Nexus is SIM unlocked without putting in another SIM card? I don't have any other SIM available to test.
I got my phone from Telus with a new contract. The model shows GT-I9250TSDTLS and UPC is 629018066749.
I've read numerous reports that Galaxy Nexus in Canada comes factory unlocked. I was hoping I could verify before heading off on my trip, and making an unfortunate discovery.
Cheers,
jasphair
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I think it may be unlocked to Canadian carriers - I put a Rogers SIM in my Bell device and there was no request for a network unlock code - but when I went into fastboot mode the screen indicated my device was locked so I unlocked it using the Galaxy Nexus Toolkit. By the time I got drivers installed on a computer I was so frustrated that I chose the easy way.
you guys are confusing the locked bootloader to sim lock. they are two different things. unlocked bootloader allows you to flash roms, unlocked sim allows you to use sim cards from other carriers.
correct me of im wrong here but all north american gnex are sim unlocked. I've read here some people that have the UK gnex are carrier sim locked.
I'm pretty sure my Nexus is unlocked so yours should be too
All CDN carriers have unlocked GNs. A few countries abroad have SIM-locked GNs.
I don't know about Canada since i'm living in Norway, but if you get a new contract which subsidize the phone to make it a little cheaper they usually sim lock the phone.
Herman76 said:
I don't know about Canada since i'm living in Norway, but if you get a new contract which subsidize the phone to make it a little cheaper they usually sim lock the phone.
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same here in canada, all the carriers that subsidize with contracts lock their phone. i've never gotten an sim unlocked phone from a carrier in canada until the galaxy nexus.
Yep, few of my friends and I have the GNex here in Vancouver BC. All Carrier unlocked, from North America (we swapped sims and tried each one).
Gotta love the unlocked, Pentaband goodness.
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Yep, few of my friends and I have the GNex here in Vancouver BC. All Carrier unlocked, from North America (we swapped sims and tried each one).
Gotta love the unlocked, Pentaband goodness.
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so the same galaxy nexus will work with the gsm carriers like rogers, telus, bell as well as mobilicity and wind?
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so the same galaxy nexus will work with the gsm carriers like rogers, telus, bell as well as mobilicity and wind?
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Rogers is the only GSM carrier you have listed.
Every company in the list is an HSPA carrier.
Yes it will work on all of them.
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All CDN carriers have unlocked GNs. A few countries abroad have SIM-locked GNs.
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Even specifically the Telus Nexus signed on a three-year contract? Excuse me for my ignorance but I thought Telus, Rogers, Bell, etc. were only selling them unlocked if you bought them no contract. Thanks in advance.
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Rogers is the only GSM carrier you have listed.
Every company in the list is an HSPA carrier.
Yes it will work on all of them.
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You do realize that hspa is a gsm technology. all the providers are now on gsm tigers has just been on it longer.
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Matridom said:
You do realize that hspa is a gsm technology. all the providers are now on gsm tigers has just been on it longer.
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HSPA is a UMTS technology. UMTS networks are designed to be compatible for mode-switching with GSM, but they are fundamentally different technologies.
If you take a phone that has all GSM bands and no 3G support, and you insert a Bell or Telus SIM, you will get no signal. Therefore they are not GSM networks.
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HSPA is a UMTS technology. UMTS networks are designed to be compatible for mode-switching with GSM, but they are fundamentally different technologies.
If you take a phone that has all GSM bands and no 3G support, and you insert a Bell or Telus SIM, you will get no signal. Therefore they are not GSM networks.
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To put the argument to rest, 3GPP Sepcification:
The term "3GPP specification" covers all GSM (including GPRS and EDGE), W-CDMA and LTE (including LTE-Advanced) specifications. The following terms are also used to describe networks using the 3G specifications: UTRAN, UMTS (in Europe) and FOMA (in Japan).
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Bell and Telus do not have GPRS/EDGE networks created, hence phones are not backwards compatible on those networks, you *must* have UMTS coverage to have a phone conversation if you have one of their SIMs. This however does not change the fact, UMTS is a third generation GSM technology.
Matridom said:
To put the argument to rest, 3GPP Sepcification:
The term "3GPP specification" covers all GSM (including GPRS and EDGE), W-CDMA and LTE (including LTE-Advanced) specifications. The following terms are also used to describe networks using the 3G specifications: UTRAN, UMTS (in Europe) and FOMA (in Japan).
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Bell and Telus do not have GPRS/EDGE networks created, hence phones are not backwards compatible on those networks, you *must* have UMTS coverage to have a phone conversation if you have one of their SIMs. This however does not change the fact, UMTS is a third generation GSM technology.
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The quote says nothing of the sort. The paragraph you have quoted says that GSM and UMTS are both 3GPP specified technologies. It does not mean that UMTS is a "GSM technology". It is needlessly confusing to refer to UMTS-only networks as GSM. If a network does not support a GSM-only device, it should not be described as GSM, end of story.
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The quote says nothing of the sort. The paragraph you have quoted says that GSM and UMTS are both 3GPP specified technologies. It does not mean that UMTS is a "GSM technology". It is needlessly confusing to refer to UMTS-only networks as GSM. If a network does not support a GSM-only device, it should not be described as GSM, end of story.
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Feels like an academia perspective.
To the average consumer GSM means that that it uses a SIM. Another example is the use of 4G to mean a certain speed, yet none of today's phones are 4g phones.
I guess the question is, are we discussing real world or academia?
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The quote says nothing of the sort. The paragraph you have quoted says that GSM and UMTS are both 3GPP specified technologies. It does not mean that UMTS is a "GSM technology". It is needlessly confusing to refer to UMTS-only networks as GSM. If a network does not support a GSM-only device, it should not be described as GSM, end of story.
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If you like, I can keep finding references:
http://www.gsma.com/mobile-technology/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Speed_Downlink_Packet_Access
http://www.intomobile.com/2008/10/1...sm-plans-for-canada-hspa-3g-networks-by-2010/
What you are confusing is GPRS with GSM.
GSM is an umbrella standard that incorporates many different techs, INCLUDING GPRS/EDGE (2G) and UMTS/HSPA(3G).
It's the difference between saying that all poodles are dogs vs all dogs are poodles.
What you are trying to say is that Telus and Bell do not support GPRS/EDGE which is correct. They DO support HSPA/UMTS which is in the GSM standard.
Edit: This thread is getting hijacked and i don't want that. Believe what you will, I won't be responding any more in this thread.
Just wondering if I unlock this device from tmobile , will it work on AT&T hspa network as well? I have an AT&T work account and I'd like the phone I buy to work on both networks, the specs seem compatible but I've seen different specs on a few sites.
I'm actually curious about the opposite (if a AT&T GS3 will work on TMo). I would love to have a red GS3.
Classick206 said:
I'm actually curious about the opposite (if a AT&T GS3 will work on TMo). I would love to have a red GS3.
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Just thinking the same after seeing a few on craigslist
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Classick206 said:
I'm actually curious about the opposite (if a AT&T GS3 will work on TMo). I would love to have a red GS3.
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that won't work unless you live in an area that is using the refarmed 850/1900 spectrum , AT&T phones don't support 1700 MHz which most of tmobile 4g runs on. Tmobile however has been releasing phones that support both the refarmed frequencies 850/1900 as well as traditional aws 1700/2100 so in theory the tmobile version should work on AT&T hspa if unlocked here is the FCC filing
http://www.tmonews.com/2012/05/t-mobiles-galaxy-s-iii-sgh-t999-hits-the-fcc-aws-bands-and-all/
Which carrier will maximize the capabilities of the Note 2?
I can go on either carrier... If calling/data plans are not a concern which carrier should I go?
johnjph said:
Which carrier will maximize the capabilities of the Note 2?
I can go on either carrier... If calling/data plans are not a concern which carrier should I go?
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From the FCC documents I think the way to go is T-mobile.
T-mobile version will have all the bands needed for LTE in USA and all bands needed for use overseas.
spridell said:
From the FCC documents I think the way to go is T-mobile.
T-mobile version will have all the bands needed for LTE in USA and all bands needed for use overseas.
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But Tmobile will not have the LTE ready for another year or so. In the mean time will AT&T be faster?
johnjph said:
But Tmobile will not have the LTE ready for another year or so. In the mean time will AT&T be faster?
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If you live in an area where T-mobile is switching over their 1900mhz frequency T-mobile might be faster. If not ATT will probably be faster.
Here is a map of T-mobile progress.
http://www.airportal.de/#
Only problem is the T-Mobile sold the S3 at a significantly higher price then AT&T. Hope it does not happen with the Note.
gedster314 said:
Only problem is the T-Mobile sold the S3 at a significantly higher price then AT&T. Hope it does not happen with the Note.
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Assuming that the hardware for the TMO and ATT versions are different, will there likely be a substantially different price for the unlocked versions of these phones?
Hey Guys,
Not sure where to ask at this point, but I know that there is a Verizon forum for the S4, but this is more T-Mobile inclined question.
My mom was given an S4 at her job from Verizon but I convinced her to give it to me since I wanted it and I gave her my Tmobile Note 2.
I put my sim card into the Verizon S4 and configured the APN setting so now im getting faster data speeds with the Verizon S4 than I was with my Tmobile Note 2. So everything works but the phone is in Global mode, which I dont really care at this point.
My question is though, how can I get the Verizon S4 to connect to the Tmobile signal cel-fi booster that I have. I have no service at my job so therefore I obtained one of the boosters offered by Tmobile, works great with my Note 2, but the S4 does not recognize the cel-fi booster.
Please advise...
I guessing the cell fi thing is for tmobile phone only. I'm sure tmobile don't want just anyone to use their products.
It's probably a firmware deal and not the SIM that recognized the cell fi.
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Yes, I definitely understand that, but I am using a TMobile sim card, logged into Tmobile towers, using Tmobile 4G LTE network, but the hardware/firmware is Verizon, so that is why I am asking if it is doable to get this working? Perhaps if flashing a rom or something?
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Yes, I definitely understand that, but I am using a TMobile sim card, logged into Tmobile towers, using Tmobile 4G LTE network, but the hardware/firmware is Verizon, so that is why I am asking if it is doable to get this working? Perhaps if flashing a rom or something?
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Could it be a hardware issue? Tmobile special band which does noy jave in the verizon phone?
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I don tknow, thats why im asking you guys lol
elite-fusion said:
I don tknow, thats why im asking you guys lol
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Your best bet is to call T Mobile tech support and ask them. You've got a really obsscure question that probably has to deal with the frequencies the 2 devices communicate on that no one here has probably ever dealt with. T Mobile is going to be the quickest way to get this answer.
The T-Mobile cel-fi operates at the 1700MHz aws frequencies. According to this thread they are not enabled by default on the Verizon galaxy s4. So that's why it's not picking up the signal from the cel-fi.
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Cel-Fi RS1 vs RS2
elesbb said:
The T-Mobile cel-fi operates at the 1700MHz aws frequencies. According to this thread they are not enabled by default on the Verizon galaxy s4. So that's why it's not picking up the signal from the cel-fi.
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Guys,
I work for Cel-Fi - it looks like you are correct.
The RS2 Cel-Fi (the latest one) will boost 2 bands: 1.9GHz (aka PCS, Band 2) + AWS
BUT the older RS1 (we dont sell it anymore) will only boost AWS and not Band 2...
Check here for details on the Bands 2 and 4, and here for definitions of the bands...
It looks like the S4 gets 1900 band 2 (specs S4 for T-Mobile UMTS: Band I (2100);UMTS/HSPA+: AWS Band IV / 2100 / 1900 / 850;Band II (1900);Quad Band GSM;LTE)
Let us know which Cel-Fi you have...
Regards,
Laurent
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Guys,
I work for Cel-Fi - it looks like you are correct.
The RS2 Cel-Fi (the latest one) will boost 2 bands: 1.9GHz (aka PCS, Band 2) + AWS
BUT the older RS1 (we dont sell it anymore) will only boost AWS and not Band 2...
Check here for details on the Bands 2 and 4, and here for definitions of the bands...
It looks like the S4 gets 1900 band 2 (specs S4 for T-Mobile UMTS: Band I (2100);UMTS/HSPA+: AWS Band IV / 2100 / 1900 / 850;Band II (1900);Quad Band GSM;LTE)
Let us know which Cel-Fi you have...
Regards,
Laurent
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I have the RS1 (older one) got it for 90 bucks on ebay
Works great!
And since you work for Cel-Fi, does the RS2 model boost the LTE signal for T-Mobile or not? From what i am reading, it does not.
Sorry for my ignorance but how is the Verizon Galaxy S4 able to connect to T Mobile let alone LTE? Is Verizon S4 a pentaband phone? I think my knowledge is outdated but I was under the impression that Verizon uses CDMA
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Sorry for my ignorance but how is the Verizon Galaxy S4 able to connect to T Mobile let alone LTE? Is Verizon S4 a pentaband phone? I think my knowledge is outdated but I was under the impression that Verizon uses CDMA
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They do, it switches to global mode (GSM) when you insert a non-verizon sim.. Most CDMA smartphones have this capability nowadays, which they did not before.. Verizon is the only carrier I know that does not lock the gsm radio on their phones, I think Sprint's phones are sim locked
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I'll sell the new cell-fi
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Hey guys. I ditched mobilicity due to 0 coverage. I unlocked this T889V using the service mode method. The phone is not rooted.
It worked with Fido but data was not working. I called Fido and they told me to [email protected] off because it isn't their phone.
Googled around and found the Fido APN settings. Now data is working but it is only 3G.
Is there a painless way for LTE to work ? The fido SIM is a LTE SIM.
If not LTE then even 4G would be nice.
Thanks !
THS1989 said:
Hey guys. I ditched mobilicity due to 0 coverage. I unlocked this T889V using the service mode method. The phone is not rooted.
It worked with Fido but data was not working. I called Fido and they told me to [email protected] off because it isn't their phone.
Googled around and found the Fido APN settings. Now data is working but it is only 3G.
Is there a painless way for LTE to work ? The fido SIM is a LTE SIM.
If not LTE then even 4G would be nice.
Thanks !
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dont think it will work
cuz i bought note 2 from mobilicity and now im using it under bell lte sim card and only get 3g speed
airkenada said:
dont think it will work
cuz i bought note 2 from mobilicity and now im using it under bell lte sim card and only get 3g speed
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Are you on the updated OTA 4.3 ROM?
What is the baseband version on your device?
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Lloyd Christmas said:
Are you on the updated OTA 4.3 ROM?
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yep
I don't think the T889 will support LTE on Fido.
www.fido.ca/web/content/phonewarranty/configure_unlocked_device_guide&lang=en
Check out the bands for LTE used by Fido (Rogers) [2100/2600]. 2600mHz is not supported on the T889. LTE needs both bands to work with one for upload and one for download. It will support Fido's HSPA but their network is limited to 21 mbps (theoretically possible). Also check to see if LTE is active in your area for your carrier.
Check out the AT&T note 2 forum here for the topic of t mobile note 2 on AT&T for information on getting them running. AT&T and Rogers devices are very similar in supported bands IIRC. I doubt you will find anything earth shattering though.
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I'd wait before Videotron launches their LTE (should be soon-ish) before doing anything too risky. Why Videotron? They also sell the T889V and should upgrade the modems then to enable it, or so I believe.
If you just can't wait, there's always my LTE guide, but there's currently no coming back from that procedure. Also: I don't believe anyone has confirmed if the procedure worked with phones having been upgraded to 4.3.
The Canadian "Big Three" (Bell, Rogers, Telus) have deployed LTE on AWS (band 4 - 1700 and 2100 MHz combined) and 2600 MHz. 700 MHz has been auctionned off and should eventually work on the LTE Note 2.
@Coug76 : wow this page is just wrong about their LTE being on 2100 MHz (band 1) and not AWS and this will just confuse the heck out of people. (I understand some early LTE-capable iPhone and iPad marketing material made the same glaring mistake.) Industry Canada's licensing database will back me up on this one, as well as the ITU's regional frequency assignments.
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I'd wait before Videotron launches their LTE (should be soon-ish) before doing anything too risky. Why Videotron? They also sell the T889V and should upgrade the modems then to enable it, or so I believe.
If you just can't wait, there's always my LTE guide, but there's currently no coming back from that procedure. Also: I don't believe anyone has confirmed if the procedure worked with phones having been upgraded to 4.3.
The Canadian "Big Three" (Bell, Rogers, Telus) have deployed LTE on AWS (band 4 - 1700 and 2100 MHz combined) and 2600 MHz. 700 MHz has been auctionned off and should eventually work on the LTE Note 2.
@Coug76 : wow this page is just wrong about their LTE being on 2100 MHz (band 1) and not AWS and this will just confuse the heck out of people. (I understand some early LTE-capable iPhone and iPad marketing material made the same glaring mistake.) Industry Canada's licensing database will back me up on this one, as well as the ITU's regional frequency assignments.
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Working together, we CAN convince Fido to change their minds about what frequencies they REALLY use vs. what they publish as a reference for their customers. Power ti the people!
I don't think I will bother with a sternly worded letter to the editor. I'll leave such limited actions to those who take these things lightly. Matters such as these demand immediate, clear, and unequivocal intervention! I'm calling the Governor General's office. Comrades, we can start a letter writing campaign! We can't fail when Industry Canada has our back...
Viva la Revolucion!
Or.
Alternately.
You mad, bro?
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lol, not really.
Nonetheless, people might make an incorrect and expensive purchase based on this page as it comes up among the first ones on this topic.
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lol, not really.
Nonetheless, people might make an incorrect and expensive purchase based on this page as it comes up among the first ones on this topic.
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Sorry, blood sugar was low and I got all Drama Queen and stuff. Thanks for being cool.
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