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Stock or custom Rom ?

I have owned three Android devices before getting my GNex. Each of those three devices were rooted and rom-ed within the first one month. I have had my GNex for almost two months now on stock jellybean, no root or custom recovery. The flasher within me is itching to flash something new. The pragmatic within me finds no justification for flashing. The other devices had some issue or the other; everything works fine on stock jb on the Gnex. I am trying my best to side with the pragmatic.
Question to the community- I know what I gain from flashing a custom rom ( customizability, overclocking,etc) . Other than the warranty, what do I lose by moving away from the stock rom?
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viskon said:
I have owned three Android devices before getting my GNex. Each of those three devices were rooted and rom-ed within the first one month. I have had my GNex for almost two months now on stock jellybean, no root or custom recovery. The flasher within me is itching to flash something new. The pragmatic within me finds no justification for flashing. The other devices had some issue or the other; everything works fine on stock jb on the Gnex. I am trying my best to side with the pragmatic.
Question to the community- I know what I gain from flashing a custom rom ( customizability, overclocking,etc) . Other than the warranty, what do I lose by moving away from the stock rom?
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Well, I for one won't be flashing any ROMs (at least for several months) once my GNEX arrives tomorrow. Whenever I had an unsolvable issue which was with the ROM I chose and would ask for help, I'd get the most cynical responses. "That's what you signed up for" seems to be the common theme. It's like people enjoy being in constant beta tester mode, even when they are supposedly running the stable build of a ROM. The only reason I would flash a ROM is if the default JB build the phone came with was horribly broken. Overclocking on something like a phone is a bit excessive, especially for something that is already a powerhouse and can run the most intense games available for it with relative ease.

viskon said:
I have owned three Android devices before getting my GNex. Each of those three devices were rooted and rom-ed within the first one month. I have had my GNex for almost two months now on stock jellybean, no root or custom recovery. The flasher within me is itching to flash something new. The pragmatic within me finds no justification for flashing. The other devices had some issue or the other; everything works fine on stock jb on the Gnex. I am trying my best to side with the pragmatic.
Question to the community- I know what I gain from flashing a custom rom ( customizability, overclocking,etc) . Other than the warranty, what do I lose by moving away from the stock rom?
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You don't lose the warranty if you know what you're doing........
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viskon said:
Other than the warranty, what do I lose by moving away from the stock rom?
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You don't lose anything, but you gain a lot of nifty features.

I recommend you always try stock out for a bit before trying anything else. Stock 4.1.1 is damn good.
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martonikaj said:
I recommend you always try stock out for a bit before trying anything else. Stock 4.1.1 is damn good.
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Stock is great but I got tired of my phone giving me 15 hours of battery life on avg so I rooted to get a kernel
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drzplaya1121 said:
Stock is great but I got tired of my phone giving me 15 hours of battery life on avg so I rooted to get a kernel
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Interesting. That is what i currently get. And did flashing a new kernel help?
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I tried several highly regarded JB roms (ParanoidAndroid, CM10 nightly, the varieties of AndroidME), but keep coming back to stock + Nova Launcher. Don't even need to (re-)root for that. Just a great combination that you can rely on.
But when I get that itch, I play around with ParanoidAndroid for a few days here and there. A really interesting rom, which I'm sure you'll hear a lot about.

I was coming from a sgs2 that was on a custom ROM and surprisingly I'm happy with stock 4.1 and see no need to flash a custom ROM. Maybe just a kernel to get better battery life even tho it lasts me all day with about 4 hours of screen on time so I can't really complain.
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I've been rooting, modding, and even custom ROM building since my Samsung Moment days and ever since. Since I got my Galaxy Nexus on Sprint, however, all I've done is flash a completely pure AOSP stock build of 4.1.1. With this device I have no desire other than to be running the most current Android source. Everything just works, and works well. I have no need for flashy features. Jelly Bean already has every feature I need.
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I love stock vanilla Android. All my other phones, I'd root and install Cyanogenmod asap. I'd always use the modified factory roms on offer as well, because Cyanogenmod often didn't work that well in the early days of a new device or Android version.
On the nexus I don't really need to flash, but I still use Cyanogenmod 10 anyway for the sole reason the power control toggles in the status bar are very handy.
Either way, only a nexus device can offer such high quality aosp based roms. I say have fun trying a few. Yes there are still issues sometimes but it's nothing like what I've experienced in other phones.
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Definitely Cusome
Stock is always nice for a while, but the reason you get a nexus is to be able to have fun and do things that others can't :good:

CourtimusMaximus said:
Stock is always nice for a while, but the reason you get a nexus is to be able to have fun and do things that others can't :good:
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One of the reasons. For me it's just to have the latest AOSP software, and for me that is enough. The Nexus fills both plates very well.
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The reason I got a nexus was because I hated all the touchwiz/sense stuff and the pre-installed carrier garbage... thus removing my reason to root my phone (not that I don't like to tinker, but 18 credit hours leaves little time).
The only reason I ended up rooting was for PGM so I dont destroy my power button in 3 months like all my previous phones, and for the widgets to show up in apex/nova. Aside from those, I run a totally stock system...
On an unrelated note, sooooo many iphone owners in my classes ask me how to wake their iphone by swiping... i love telling them that they cant

Same boat. GSM stock ROM. Itching BUT I don't want to lock the phones secure element because Google wallet is pretty cool.
Night features are nice but not worth losing wallet over
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CyberpunkDad said:
Same boat. GSM stock ROM. Itching BUT I don't want to lock the phones secure element because Google wallet is pretty cool.
Night features are nice but not worth losing wallet over
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With the GSM Galaxy Nexus, you can unlock, root, find a custom ROM and flash it, then find the Google Wallet APK and install it. It'll say "unsupported device" because Google wants to warn you about "rooting," but it'll activate and work .
I'm using NexusHD 4.3 with GApps and Google Wallet.

With Galaxy Nexus and Jelly Bean there is no reason to try custom ROMS. Only bug a can find is 2.4GHZ wireless.

I've tried to stay as close to JB stock as possible, flashing a vanilla deodexed build of JB and just a couple of mods (battery percent and louder speaker sound) that increase everyday functionality for me and a kernel change because it increases battery life and on demand performance by a practically useful margin. Everyone's personal preferences I suppose but that's the great thing about a nexus device, it can please different tastes/uses very well.

Gnex is so boring ...there is no compelling reason to flash .. everything works just great without any tweaking
Life with galaxy s was more fun...flashing every nightly..dealing with bugs..spending hours on xda forum to find the fixes/work arounds / tricks to improve battery life..I miss all these.
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[POLL]Will you be running Stock Android or TouchWiz based ROMs?

I am going to be running Stock Android just because of how buttery smooth it is. Oh and yes if you didn't know we have a pretty much fully functional cm10 ROM!!! Will post details if anyone needs them
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twolfekc said:
I am going to be running Stock Android just because of how buttery smooth it is. Oh and yes if you didn't know we have a pretty much fully functional cm10 ROM!!! Will post details if anyone needs them
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no way I will give up air view, snote, multi window, popup browser, one handed operation..
If you want pure android, why not go with nexus4?

westchester1940 said:
no way I will give up air view, snote, multi window, popup browser, one handed operation..
If you want pure android, why not go with nexus4?
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It isnt available and won't be for awhile. Plus I love the big screen on the phone and the fact that its made by Samsung. I've had bad experiences with LG products
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This is probably the first phone I wouldnt root if it wernt for the need to remove carrier IQ. I wish we had a temproot so I could get carrierIQ out and keep the phone stock . I <3 touchwiz. Way more polished than sense imho .

So conflicted atm... But... think will wait just a /bit/ longer for it to shake out.
Bah, who am I kidding, downloading now.
---------- Post added at 06:32 AM ---------- Previous post was at 06:31 AM ----------
Known issues:
- The stylus doesn't work. Need to investigate.
- Radio crashes every now and then.
- Audio in phone calls requires an initiation phase: make 2 phone calls to any number when you boot up to get audio functional on the 3rd call.
Ah, perhaps I will wait that big longer.

I'll be running stock TW until I get tired of it, then I'll try some launchers and get tired of those. Thats when I'll flash a new ROM and Kernel.

I'm going to stick with TouchWiz so that my phone would be fully functional as it was meant to be. Also, TW has drastically gotten much better and I already like the feel of it. It's already fast and buttery smooth. And with my phone rooted I had it tweaked at 5x5 grid with scrolling wallpaper and a sweet ass theme.

I haven't rooted yet, in the past only did it to have full data access (tether) that I pay for, and delete bloat. But with new updates coming at some point I've been making due just fine so I'll wait until after the big update to decide if I'll root. As far as stock versus touchwiz lol now that's easy regardless to the screen size or how smooth it runs I couldn't imagine losing my pen that's how I enter text etc and once of my main reasons for buying, could have kept my S3 & yes 4.8 to 5.5 is different but let's be serious why get a note 2 only to root and put stock.........losing all the reasons to own a note two ........laughing out loud. And FINALLY you delete carrier IQ Lmao, ok fine but if you haven't noticed this won't stop big brother so your peace of mind is shot boots. Non existent
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Besides the screen size, the S pen is the obvious stand out feature. Without all the S pen additions it'll be "just a big phone". I'm sticking with TW until I decide to completely give up on using the S pen.

I want to run stock but I'll probably wait awhile until all the spen goodies are rolled in. I don't use it that much, but I'd hate to lose it. My last experience with TW was the Vibrant. So far it hasn't been that bad. I'm running Nova Launcher.

The only function I use from stock is the pop up browser. I never use the pen unless I'm showing someone the gimmick of drawing with it. So yes. I'd love me some CM10.
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Touchwiz all the way. Not a huge fan of stock android.. plus I would lose all these cool features of a Samsung phone.
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I'm sticking with TW for awhile or at least until we get some better custom ROMs. I like TW and the settings but not the Samsung and Tmobile apps.

twolfekc said:
I am going to be running Stock Android just because of how buttery smooth it is. Oh and yes if you didn't know we have a pretty much fully functional cm10 ROM!!! Will post details if anyone needs them
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I think your terms are misleading. To me, CM10 and AOKP aren't "Stock Android", they're "AOSP" or "Vanilla Android". Of course that's just semantics. "Stock" is the ROM that the phone shipped with. With that in mind....
I'll be running a rooted TouchWiz "stock" ROM, debloated (my idea of debloated), with Nova Launcher. I get the best of both worlds that way, in my opinion. All the goodies that Samsung has done to the phone that make it BETTER, in my opinion, than "AOSP", plus I can add the best of other ROMs. With Nova Launcher, I have the "look & feel" of "AOSP" as well.
YMMV.
By the way, why didn't you add an actual poll to the thread?

This phone + Paranoid Android is all I need. Most of samsungs apps are inferior to their aosp counter parts. The only thing I'll be losing out on is the s pen which I have never actually used in a useful way anyway. Samsung has great hardware but their software and design choices need improvement.

i'll be moving to cm10 once they sort out the calling/audio issue.. i bought this phone because it's a performance beast and the lovely screen.. the s-pen wasn't even a consideration in the purchase for me.. sure, it's a neat gimmick (pull out lightsaber sounds to amuse the kids) but i can't see myself using it for anything..

I'll be using it on touchwiz, since wifi calling is a must and multiview, while i'm really anticipating it, isn't a big enough reason for me to root just yet (I'm lazy and this phone is awesome even without root/custom ROMs). One day I will, but for now I'm just going to mess with the phone

irok said:
This phone + Paranoid Android is all I need. Most of samsungs apps are inferior to their aosp counter parts. The only thing I'll be losing out on is the s pen which I have never actually used in a useful way anyway. Samsung has great hardware but their software and design choices need improvement.
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I will be running both.. ...You should try jelly beer in the at&t forum
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2046616...... premium it's working pretty good . i diff install the volume mod though
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Jelly beer here too, very smooth. Spen works but missing multi Window. Loving it right now.
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I'm running Jedi-X7.2 which is the international port. Couldn't wait for TMo to release their update.
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how to get multiview update?

just got a note 2
it's rooted and so I can't do OTA updates because it has modified software
is there a way I can get the update so I can use multiview/multiwindow on my phone without flashing a rom?

viper98 said:
just got a note 2
it's rooted and so I can't do OTA updates because it has modified software
is there a way I can get the update so I can use multiview/multiwindow on my phone without flashing a rom?
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I don't believe being rooted by itself will prevent OTA updates. The update will most likely make you rooted again though. But their is no update available yet, and may not be for months.
I would install a custom recovery and flash a custom ROM. That way you get a better multi-window (that works with all apps), no bloat and improved battery life.

+1 for rooting & custom/ported rom. It's not as scary as it seems as long as you study and READ. Check & doublecheck that is compatible with i317. The are countless advantages to it over keeping stock (if you don't like what stock has to offer) PLUS (here is the best part) you can brag that you "got rid of that att s*$&" and hacked your phone....People are usually pretty impressed. Lol) Seriously though just take the leap. You'll be glad you did!
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I'm not really afraid of putting a custom rom I had done it to my S3
but it's too hard to make a choice lol

viper98 said:
I'm not really afraid of putting a custom rom I had done it to my S3
but it's too hard to make a choice lol
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Nandroid and try em all haha all the kids are doing it
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Nandroid and try em all haha all the kids are doing it
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Haaaaaaahaaaaaahaaaaa
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Install Clean ROM. Everything works great including multi-view

just new to android..... i would like to know what is the different between the clean rom and the other roms, like Jedi and hybirds?

I have only tried Jedi x6 rom. Don't want to try any other rom because this one seems to cover all the bases and is rock solid. I've heard nothing but good things about clean rom though so probably can't go wrong with either. Jedi is sick though. And for what it's worth it is also pretty clean. If someone handed me this phone I would not know there was a rom on it other than the upgrades, I.e., multi window, extra toggles, etc. Good luck with whatever you choose. By the way everyone on Jedi thread is extremely helpful and patient.
Sent by a Wookie with a light saber (GN2 on Jedi X6)

Thanks topshelf95. I am new here, that's why I ca'tn post in the developer forum for any questions about X6. I am using X3.3 now and tried X6 but converted back to X3.3 cos I can't install any other language for handwriting for X6. If I know how to fix that, I will switch to X6 for sure.

Who prefers to stay on STOCK?????

i'm curious if anyone here on XDA prefers being on stock. How come? You don't like roms? root? Just curious on what people that love to stay on stock.
Thanks.

This thread belongs in the Q&A forum, not the General forum. (Also, your '?' key seems to be stuck.)

Gary02468 your number lock seems to be stuck. Qt pie.

I am kinda in that boat
I just got my note2 and have since flashed recovery / and clean rom however I tend to like sticking stockish till I know the water temp so to speak. I tried to just do the root with out changing the counter but OTA's killed my root. Hence the twrp and clean rom...
I just cant win... heh.

rayoubi said:
i'm curious if anyone here on XDA prefers being on stock. How come? You don't like roms? root? Just curious on what people that love to stay on stock.
Thanks.
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I love being on stock dont get me wrong I love the clean roms and root access but since I am coming as a long term iPhone user stock feels amazing and very open to be able to do so much personalizing to the device without having to get into roms is great but I do hate the boatware lol
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Nice to see an iphone user do the swap
I gotta say its awesome to see an iPhone user move on over.

I'm staying in stock to keep the slow motion video feature. And because CM 10's camera is really glitchy
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chris82o said:
I love being on stock dont get me wrong I love the clean roms and root access but since I am coming as a long term iPhone user stock feels amazing and very open to be able to do so much personalizing to the device without having to get into roms is great but I do hate the boatware lol
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And it seems that there's no"." key on your iphone.

rayoubi said:
i'm curious if anyone here on XDA prefers being on stock. How come? You don't like roms? root? Just curious on what people that love to stay on stock.
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On many phones I have stayed on stock for stability and feature set. In many cases when you go to another rom (especially AOSP) you lose TW features, S-Pen, etc... and in many cases I find not everything is 100%
That said the Note II development is fantastic. Many of the TW based roms give you everything you get with stock, but with more. AOSP you lose the TW feature set but it is amazingly stable and fast with a whole lot of other features.
With my S3 I could not find a single rom that I did not have problems on, but with the Note II I have a harder time deciding WHICH rom to use :good:

chris82o said:
I love being on stock dont get me wrong I love the clean roms and root access but since I am coming as a long term iPhone user stock feels amazing and very open to be able to do so much personalizing to the device without having to get into roms is great but I do hate the boatware lol
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So then flash the stock international rom from miscom like a lot of us have.... Stock experience with No bs att bloat
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C.Flat said:
I'm staying in stock to keep the slow motion video feature. And because CM 10's camera is really glitchy
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I agree with this guy. Even with my acer liquid mt when I rooted it and used the leaked gingerbread rom for it, the camera (which i use a lot got messed up and would over expose the pictures to white messes of garbage) and I noticed that after switching back to the normal stock rom with root, the camera would screw the video with red green and blue lines...gross I know...
And plus, just like my old ipod touch 2g (which doesnt work cuz the battery is dead. big surprise CRapple) it looked as normal as it should, but behind the curtain, the device was screaming at me to stop, every little tweak, hack, or anything I could do to the device. (Except install android on it because the project cut off 2Gs)
So what im saying is, its more fun to screw with the stock app.
Dont like the boatware?
Download a root app uninstaller.
Dont like anything about most devices?
Someone else doesnt like it either, and theyre smarter than you and figured out how to change that.
Root all stock roms.
Maybe one day, they will have an option to come rooted and unlocked.
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For me 1st time I'm on stock. I like it and don't see a need for change I did root it. On my SGS the minute I go it I put a rom on it.
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I did until I discovered PA battery life. Been 5 hours of fair use, mostly as a media player, connected to data. Battery is still at 84%
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I hate stock as soon as another ROM handles all I want. I have a toddler. I need camera function. As soon as cm10 fixed it a week ago. I will never go back to stock again. Only 2 features I miss are page buddy and mhl. Page buddy probably can be modded in though
I love the new features they keep adding instead of stock. And I love a 150meg download instead of 700meg
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The lack of mhl in cm or aokp keep me on stock based roms
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The same day I purchased my Note 2, I had it rooted and has TWRP installed on it. Day 2 I was flashing roms. I guess I just really like to tinker with my phones, because where was nothing wrong with stock!

C.FLAT, "I'm staying in stock to keep the slow motion video feature. And because CM 10's camera is really glitchy"
If you are that concerned with the camera features working why not flash a ROM like Scrosler's CLEAN ROM ATT SE. It made from ATT base. Completely stock without the bloatware. Everything works perfectly and you are not at the mercy of your carrier to recieve OTA's instead your at Scroslers lol. But seriously, I would much rather get/wait for updates from a DEV here on XDA (Where I can talk directly to the DEV and or people in the thread also using the ROM) instead of waiting for carriers to take forever and you can't directly talk to the team of people who made the Official ROM . So for me if you want stock look and feel with no bloatware and is more customizable than actual stock I would go with a ROM based or made from complete stock base. Just my 2 cents

Slow motion on jedi
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stock miscom
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So then flash the stock international rom from miscom like a lot of us have.... Stock experience with No bs att bloat
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besides the excellent support miscom. Thanks miscom

I'm on stock cause I got no reason to be otherwise. Everything works as intended, and the so-called "bloatware" is in reality a complete non-issue.

To MOD or Not to MOD.....???

Gents...............(& Ladies)
Im a huge fan of Cyanogen mod. However I have had my Note II since day it came out & i really like everything about it cant complain at all. Just curious if its worth MOD'n it and going back to Cyanogen. Also does 4G work on Cyanogen? Any feedback on this would be great!!!!

4g works. Worth it for the themes in my opinion but battery life will take a dive. At least it did with me.

If CM had better usage of the camera and if spen worked I'd be all over it. But it doesn't and never will so it'll have to always be touchwiz for me
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Battery life issues are always expected with CM but I'm used to that. However no use of S pen is interesting. Is there any reason they won't make it work?
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S-pen works, you just lose the touchwiz apps. Look in the OP of the cyanogen thread for replacement apps
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This is the first Android phone I have no desire to use a custom ROM with.
4.1.2 + Nova = win for me.

SComp23 said:
This is the first Android phone I have no desire to use a custom ROM with.
4.1.2 + Nova = win for me.
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I've been running CM since the G1, as weird as it is, I don't think I will flash any AOSP ROMs. I'm very happy with TW + Whomp.

This is the 1st device I feel it doesn't need any custom roms. I'm not a fan of TW but this phone is a beast running rooted stock.
Sent from my customized phablet

I tried custom roms on mine when I was looking to hack wifi tether into working, and figured the third party roms would be easier, but losing S-Memo was detrimental to my enjoyment of the phone.
It also seemed much buggier and unreliable in comparison to stock, no matter which rom I used. I ended up going back to stock, and the bugs that I'd experienced with stock seemed to go away too... Right at the moment I'm unrooted in an effort to try to download the update, but no dice so I'm suffering.
This is an intense difference from my last Samsung phone, the Epic 4g, which I rooted nearly the day I got it because it was so unusable. I almost refused to sell it without a third-party rom on it for fear of diminishing my Ebay reputation for selling ****ty products.
Overall a good phone, with great stock stability and software. I haven't had a force-close or crash since I reflashed stock.

Try it out. It won't kill ya

I come from the nexus S and galaxy nexus ran CM on both since the first day I bought the phone tried CM on my note 2 but this phone meant to run with a stock rom just rooted so I can enable all app multi window and remove some bloatware.
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I was gonna run pacman rom but really don't want to lose any of the s functions. Owning a note 2 without all the functionality is like going to a birthday party and not having any cake!!!! Just my 2 cents but to each his own