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Can the GN ever be as smooth as an iPhone 4S?

Alright, you're gonna be mad about the topic but I'm being honest here.
I never had a nexus phone and I was hoping that if I got a Galaxy Nexus, the phone wouldn't stutter (in browser and in apps) and it does. On websites the stuttering when scrolling is annoying. The phone is fast (home screen, app drawer, settings) but a lot of apps are jittery and not fluid.
I'm running AOKP Milestone 4 with Lean Kernel v2.4.
So my question is, is it possible to get the Galaxy Nexus to be as smooth as an iPhone? Some reasons would be good because there's no doubting the 4s is very fluid with rare if any hiccups.
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what apps...all mine are as smooth as the iphone.

AOKP is the king of extra features, but if you want smooth you should try Peter Alfonso's Bugless Beast.

The selling point if the iphone 4s is Suri.
My buddy tried to show it off and it didn't work at all.
He was really embarrassed.. It screwed up everything.
I showed him my nexus, and then I proceeded to pull 15 down 13 up in a speed test.
Boy was he jealous of my Nexus.

If all you care about is smooth scrolling, use the stock firmware. It's smoother than most ROMs, but lacks many features in the custom ROMs.
Don't forget, you're running a beta version of community created code. We don't have as much access to the hardware as the original designers, and can't optimize things as easily.
Whinging about it not being as smooth as an iPhone when you're running user created firmware is like complaining that the shelves you built yourself aren't as nice as the ones that your friend paid a professional carpenter to create.
AOKP runs great for most people, myself included, but there are tradeoffs for the extra features.

also, one more thing you gotta take into consideration is that aokp is more for customization. you want more of a rom that works only on stability. i havnt tried m4, but i do know that bamf is amazingly smooth. and alsooo when was the last time you saw the 4s? sure you can slide smoothly but doesnt it matter much more how quick you can load the page? try a diff browser also... mines working perfectly on google chrome and stock.

RobbieCrash said:
If all you care about is smooth scrolling, use the stock firmware. It's smoother than most ROMs, but lacks many features in the custom ROMs.
Don't forget, you're running a beta version of community created code. We don't have as much access to the hardware as the original designers, and can't optimize things as easily.
Whinging about it not being as smooth as an iPhone when you're running user created firmware is like complaining that the shelves you built yourself aren't as nice as the ones that your friend paid a professional carpenter to create.
AOKP runs great for most people, myself included, but there are tradeoffs for the extra features.
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That's a poor analogy. The ROM devs are not building these ROMs from scratch, they are making relatively small changes to the code provided by Google. A better analogy would be assembling an office desk from IKEA (store that sells put-it-together-yourself furniture for you non-U.S. folk) vs having a carpenter friend put it together. Sure your friend might drill a hold here or there to make the fit better, but he isn't carving the shelf out of lumber.

-- also, one more thing you gotta take into consideration is that aokp is more for customization. you want more of a rom that works only on stability. i havnt tried m4, but i do know that bamf is amazingly smooth. and alsooo when was the last time you saw the 4s? sure you can slide smoothly but doesnt it matter much more how quick you can load the page? try a diff browser also... mines working perfectly on google chrome and stock. --
stock browser and chrome are jerky but the stock browser is a little better
Stock software was slow for me too, worse than AOKP M4
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-- what apps...all mine are as smooth as the iphone. --
XDA, web browser, maps
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-- AOKP is the king of extra features, but if you want smooth you should try Peter Alfonso's Bugless Beast. --
Ok I'll try bugless beast ans see if it helps
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android will never be as smooth as the iphone, its running a dalvik client

Do iPhone users just get Android phones and swipe and down all day to see how fluid it moves. You guys know there is much more to the phone then just scrolling pages up and down, right?
You also realize the device is pushing a higher resolution then an iPhone as well so a lot more pixels are in play.
Seriously, even if the GN scrolled smoother then it already does, I don't think I would really give a sh.t......It would not change my experience in the least.

BlackDino said:
android will never be as smooth as the iphone, its running a dalvik client
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Not to mention iPhone 4S GPU absolutely blows away any other mobile GPU on the market, and on top of that pushes fewer pixels.
iPhone 4S is a graphical beast.

Have you turned on Hardware Acceleration in the Settings?

qtx said:
Have you turned on Hardware Acceleration in the Settings?
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Yes, it's turned on

matt2053 said:
Not to mention iPhone 4S GPU absolutely blows away any other mobile GPU on the market, and on top of that pushes fewer pixels.
iPhone 4S is a graphical beast.
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The iPhone 4 is smooth as well and the GPU isn't as good as the iPhone 4S

[email protected] said:
Do iPhone users just get Android phones and swipe and down all day to see how fluid it moves. You guys know there is much more to the phone then just scrolling pages up and down, right?
You also realize the device is pushing a higher resolution then an iPhone as well so a lot more pixels are in play.
Seriously, even if the GN scrolled smoother then it already does, I don't think I would really give a sh.t......It would not change my experience in the least.
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Jerky scrolling is annoying (in the browser and in XDA app)...it's as if the frame rate is running at 20fps as opposed to 60fps

BlackDino said:
android will never be as smooth as the iphone, its running a dalvik client
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If that's true then that sucks.

crossover37 said:
If that's true then that sucks.
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of course its true, everything is in java

and of course don't forget about the fact that Android handles the UI in a different way compared to iOS (the UI isn't prioritised or something along those lines).

Disable "Scrollingcache" for buttery smoothness?

Could anyone throw in a modified framework.jar for stock ROM or CM9 with scrollingcache disabled? For the Sprint galaxy nexus
Most people think the Galaxy Nexus is pretty smooth, but for us OCD type and especially us former iPhone owners know it's not 60fps smooth.. It's very stuttery due to the scrolling cache... Disabling it makes it MUCH smoother.. Like iPhone 4S smooth.
I'm not sure if this was ever done on other models of the GN but there's nothing like that available for the Sprint version yet. AOKP has that option, but so far there isn't a port, either.
Thanks!

lolwut

This thread is useless. Stop being paranoid, your phone isn't lagging.
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zeuzinn said:
Could anyone throw in a modified framework.jar for stock ROM or CM9 with scrollingcache disabled? For the Sprint galaxy nexus
Most people think the Galaxy Nexus is pretty smooth, but for us OCD type and especially us former iPhone owners know it's not 60fps smooth.. It's very stuttery due to the scrolling cache... Disabling it makes it MUCH smoother.. Like iPhone 4S smooth.
I'm not sure if this was ever done on other models of the GN but there's nothing like that available for the Sprint version yet. AOKP has that option, but so far there isn't a port, either.
Thanks!
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Understandable. I've been trying to get my nexus as smooth as my 3gs. If u want to disablr scrolling cache, u could put in your build.prop
persist.sys.scrollingcache=3

Some custom ROMs, like the latest AOKP, allow you to disable the scrolling cache. Otherwise, it's not built into the default system.

I'm a bit confused. Isn't scrollingcache supposed to help with smoothness? Why does disabling it make the system smoother?
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liquid ics has the feature

Hi,
Found this:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1411317&highlight=scrolling+cache
- Some android applications have some lag when they scroll.
I found in logcat that garbage collector is working to much when I do some scroll in application.
I googled about it and found the 'scrollingcache' function inside android making problem.
Some application developers recommend disable 'scrollingcache' in app's internal config.
But not all applications have disabled scrollingcache.
So the mod I'll do will disable the scrollingcache throughout the Android OS.
All apps will have no problem with scrollingcache.
I've had scrolling improvements with facebook,playerpro,poweramp,gallery apps , etc.
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And Google it...

scrolling cache
Smokeey said:
This thread is useless. Stop being paranoid, your phone isn't lagging.
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I was also an iphone 4s user and i noticed a huge difference in the smoothness of the devices, the 4s is much smoother and actually has 0 stuttering, on s3, even on the home screen if i scroll medium to fast i see the stuttering.
Your reply is useless.

zaid10 said:
I was also an iphone 4s user and i noticed a huge difference in the smoothness of the devices, the 4s is much smoother and actually has 0 stuttering, on s3, even on the home screen if i scroll medium to fast i see the stuttering.
Your reply is useless.
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Go back to your awesome iphone then. BTW, this is a Nexus forum

tgyberg said:
Go back to your awesome iphone then. BTW, this is a Nexus forum
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Stop your dam trolling the iPhone is just an example. Hell he could used a windows phone for an example.
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Lol.. the Nexus Laggy? Maybe on ICS. Slap a Jb ROM on there and you'll forget the iweight. If your still not satisfied then go back to the isheep world and live forever in apple harmony.
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That's cuz the iOS designers killed many kittens for that ability sort of like making a philosophers stone
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As I've understood it the iPhone freeze all other tasks and uses all cpu to do the scrolling...
Swype'ed on my CM10 Galaxy

I just wanted to confirm the OP. A good confirmation came from improved scrolling in Adobe Reader, which was horrid across multiple ROMs I've tried. It was a great deal faster with the newest Sprint OTA and GLaDOS 2.1 kernel.
EliWay said:
Could anyone throw in a modified framework.jar for stock ROM or CM9 with scrollingcache disabled? For the Sprint galaxy nexus
Most people think the Galaxy Nexus is pretty smooth, but for us OCD type and especially us former iPhone owners know it's not 60fps smooth.. It's very stuttery due to the scrolling cache... Disabling it makes it MUCH smoother.. Like iPhone 4S smooth.
I'm not sure if this was ever done on other models of the GN but there's nothing like that available for the Sprint version yet. AOKP has that option, but so far there isn't a port, either.
Thanks!
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Herman76 said:
As I've understood it the iPhone freeze all other tasks and uses all cpu to do the scrolling...
Swype'ed on my CM10 Galaxy
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And jelly bean does not require that for buttery goodness
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The advantange of disabling the scrolling cache is more smoothness.
But what is the advantange, when it is on?
Wgich advantage has the scrolling cache?

hate to echo some users above, but wouldn't scrollling cache set to true/on be better for smoothness?
http://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/AbsListView.html#attr_android:scrollingCache

For those curious about the scrolling cache here's a video called "the world of ListView" :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skD1fjxSRog (jump to 37:14) .
Even though it's quite an old video, there are still many questions on StackOverflow related to ListView which would get solved by just watching this video.

OP, Learn a little bit about how to use Android and Linux. And then ask your questions.
I use stock CM11 with Smitty's Kernel. OC'd CPU 1.5Ghz and GPU at 512Mhz. ZRAM enabled. And a custom 3800mAh battery for battery.
Gotta say without any additional Linux tweaks my device is flying!
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Is ICS really that good?

I don't know :/ Initially everything I read about it suggested that it used some form of hardware acceleration to make phones run much smoother. However, after seeing many speed tests between the Droid Razr and the Galaxy Nexus (both using TI OMAP4 chips, razr has GB and GN uses ICS) the Razr smokes the Nexus in every aspect. And I understand there are many other factors involved that could play into that, but in general it seems people's experiences with ICS point to it being much more bogged down then GB ever was. I don't know, anyone else have thoughts on this :/

Honestly I don't think it is that great. For me it is the eyecandy and a couple of cool new features that make ICS so interesting. But after running ICS for a while I went back to GB and was astonished by how good GB was. By no means is ICS bad, I just don't think that it is on GB level of performance.

It probably just depends on optimization and other stuffs. Processor doesn't determine everything, although it does help. I personally like the TW ICS and it's pretty smooth to me.

Ics gapps like youtube is one of the big big reasons why I stay and its just something different from gingerbread.
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EpicFlair said:
Honestly I don't think it is that great. For me it is the eyecandy and a couple of cool new features that make ICS so interesting. But after running ICS for a while I went back to GB and was astonished by how good GB was. By no means is ICS bad, I just don't think that it is on GB level of performance.
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Pretty much my experience as well. It seems they tried to make ICS very perty. And it is, it's got lots of nice transitions and neat features and a nice UI, but after going back to GB I realized how slow ICS actually is.
Perhaps that's why Google has already started Jelly bean, because they realized ICS isn't that great? :/

ICS on my phone is a minimum upgrade that works good for me but when my tab went from Honeycomb to ICS it made a much larger impact. I think ICS brings all the capable devices together and Jellybean will be the one that solidifies Android.
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We all love something new, and we all love eyecandy.
If GB is working fine for you right now, you won't gain much at all moving to ICS.

The only thing I like about ICS is that elastic scrolling of a zoomed in page works.
Samsung GB is a mess. Doubletap on any content and scroll in 1 direction, it's all over the place with no elastic snap on either X or Y axis.

pbassjunk said:
The only thing I like about ICS is that elastic scrolling of a zoomed in page works.
Samsung GB is a mess. Doubletap on any content and scroll in 1 direction, it's all over the place with no elastic snap on either X or Y axis.
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So out of all the new features, elastic scrolling is most important to you?

batting1000 said:
So out of all the new features, elastic scrolling is most important to you?
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[fwiw, I really dig MIUI. It's my go-to.]
I haven't experienced much in ICS (leaks) that has really improved much over what we already had. Gallery is better, but Gallery ICS+ is in the market for 2.3.
*shrug*

MultiLockOn said:
Pretty much my experience as well. It seems they tried to make ICS very perty. And it is, it's got lots of nice transitions and neat features and a nice UI, but after going back to GB I realized how slow ICS actually is.
Perhaps that's why Google has already started Jelly bean, because they realized ICS isn't that great? :/
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Google is on a yearly release schedule for major Android releases. Jelly Bean or whatever it'll be called was planned well before ICS was shown to the public.
And ICS on skinned devices isn't much of an upgrade, especially with the mess that is Touchwiz. This is due to the (correct) belief on Samsung's part that Android is more complicated and "ugly" than the average user wants/expects. Some of their feature enhancements are useful, but the visual is just awful. On its own, Touchwiz isn't worse than vanilla GB, but you can't use Touchwiz on its own. There are always elements of vanilla GB that show and that makes the entire thing an uncoordinated mess.
Android has reached a point where Google can work on refining the OS with small features. More importantly, ICS is the start of a unified and unique theme that can set Android visually apart from iOS and WP7 which look much better than any Android phone shipping with GB.
Of course, none of that matters since OEMs insist on skinning their phones. I had hoped Samsung would've followed HTC and toned down the skinning for the new version of Touchwiz, but that was a pipe dream considering the number of SGSII's they sold. My biggest problem with Touchwiz is that it doesn't mesh with the Holo theme at all which I hope app developers would use, allowing for a more unified Android look.
What I'm trying to say is: No, ICS is not that much of an upgrade from GB. But, ICS is that important to Android and its future.

pbassjunk said:
[fwiw, I really dig MIUI. It's my go-to.]
I haven't experienced much in ICS (leaks) that has really improved much over what we already had. Gallery is better, but Gallery ICS+ is in the market for 2.3.
*shrug*
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I actually love ICS especially the last few leaks. Everything seems so fast and efficient to me
Oh and my friend finally solved 4g on Miui so be on the lookout for that sometime in the near future
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JohnCorleone said:
Oh and my friend finally solved 4g on Miui so be on the lookout for that sometime in the near future
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now THATS interesting news!
the one thing that's really kept me from playing with miui.
and, in general, i could not disagree with many of the responses here more. (and agree with JC)
ics runs smooth, quick, and the gapps are a Major upgrade, worth it alone, imho.

kingdazy said:
now THATS interesting news!
the one thing that's really kept me from playing with miui.
and, in general, i could not disagree with many of the responses here more. (and agree with JC)
ics runs smooth, quick, and the gapps are a Major upgrade, worth it alone, imho.
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Yeah Miui with 4g will be huge! He solved it on NS4G and is building a ROM now. After that (or maybe already) other Miui.us guys like TCP should have access to his code or changes to the code
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I had some serious battery issues, but I didn't tweak much and didn't want to. I wanted to see the experience Android/Samsung intended us to have.
My favorite aspect of ICS: the ability to disable built in apps. I don't use media hub. I don't use social hub. I don't use Sprint bloatware. ETC. I love having the option of disabling crap I don't use but being able to restore it if it causes OS problems.
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in its stock form hell yea

TrayLunch said:
I had some serious battery issues, but I didn't tweak much and didn't want to. I wanted to see the experience Android/Samsung intended us to have.
My favorite aspect of ICS: the ability to disable built in apps. I don't use media hub. I don't use social hub. I don't use Sprint bloatware. ETC. I love having the option of disabling crap I don't use but being able to restore it if it causes OS problems.
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How do you do that?
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Well, I had it switched from the touchwiz launcher to the stock launcher. I don't think that makes a difference though. Manage apps> all> select an app> if it's a stock app instead of the uninstall option, it'll have disable. Beats the greyed out block that's on GB.
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Yes ics is awesomee it's still being worked on and im surprised how nice it is. But like others say if u like GB then stay on it. if u want to try ics do it if u don't like it go back no big deall
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Majin101 said:
Yes ics is awesomee it's still being worked on and im surprised how nice it is. But like others say if u like GB then stay on it. if u want to try ics do it if u don't like it go back no big deall
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Totally agree with you, and I did the latter because of the battery life and I'm waiting for them to polish out the bugs I found. The title of the thread is asking for peoples opinions and evaluations of ICS. You have to understand that some people are not going to share your point of view.
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Project Butter - Is it obvious to the naked eye?

People that installed Jelly Bean, do you see any increase in perfomance?
Write your opinions.

Its not a performance gain. Its just as fast as before just not nearly as choppy. There is a video around here sums it up pretty well.
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I do feel like it's snappier, but it's hard to say how much of it is just placebo for hearing about how much snappier it is. There's still some lag every now and then when bringing up the app drawer and such, but there's also graphical improvements that I think make up for everything (the "notification center" or whatever it's called is great).

Although there is Lag in odd spots, I notice neater and smoother transition effects more then anything else. The Keyboard also dissappears when returning to the home screen immediatly rather then lurking on the home screen like it did in ICS. Nothing Major or Revolutionary, but generally neater.

I can tell a major difference after flashing jb.
in old rom chrome is not rendering smoothly when you flip through horizontal tabs comparing to vertical ones. now the problem is completely gone.

From the off, the rom seems noticeably faster and smoother to me.
1. The new app transitions are fantastic. They fade in and out, which is quite slick.
2. The keyboard has ZERO lag, I didn't think it had any lag when I was running AOKP, but running the new JB rom, it's a lot faster again!
3. Home screen/App drawer transitions are a lot snappier. It is now on par with the transitions of an iPhone 4s (Compared with my friends earlier) No lag in the app drawer, even with all of my many apps installed.
4. Last but not least, scrolling long lists is buttery smooth for me Everything just seems so slick at the moment.
On a side note, some subtle changes, like when choosing default action, or long pressing on home screen look a lot nicer. The lock screen looks way cooler. And of course google now seems to be working great. (Aside from having to tell it to use English US, because its not fully functional in the UK)
Hope this helps anyone who was maybe sitting on the fence, I have been running AOKP since getting my nexus, Think is was build 11 or 12 I first had. I am now running Jelly-Belly by Team Inferno and have not even though about returning to AOKP. I will gladly return to AOKP when they release a stable JB update (which will likely be in August some time (JB Source to be released in mid July))

+1 to earlier posts. I can confirm, the "flow" thanks to "Project Butter" is very much appearant to the naked eye. I doubt there is an Android device out there that has a smoother UI than the Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 7 with Jelly Bean right now. Love it.
EDIT: The smoothness of live wallpapers seems to have been greatly improved as well. A live wallpaper called "Fresh Leaves" lagged quite bad when using AOKP 4.0. Now, with Jelly Bean - no lag at all

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+1 to earlier posts. I can confirm, the "flow" thanks to "Project Butter" is very much appearant to the naked eye. I doubt there is an Android device out there that has a smoother UI than the Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 7 with Jelly Bean right now. Love it.
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Agreed, I also think it is definitely closer, if not on par with that of the iPhone and Windows 7 phones.

Definitely solid 60 fps in more areas. My ics setup is probably 45-50fps solid. I noticed less quirky transitions in jelly bean but a few other odd quirks. Still it is overall smoother than ics. And could use a little more polish.
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I agree with what everyone has said. Its noticeably a little quicker but it wasn't like ICS was horrible. One thing no one has mentioned is that the delay when pulling up your recent apps is gone. Its now pretty much instant which makes multitasking better. I think everyone should try jb. I've been running stock rooted jb since Wednesday night and couldn't be happier.
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There is LAG.
Whoever says there is no lag, do not see properly, or are fanboys willing to not see or ignore those quirks.
I'm a HUGE Google fan, and I've been disappointed. This is 2012, and I genuinely believed that Android is better in almost EVERY way than iOS. But I disagree now.
I watched the io live, so much chest thumping, project butter n stuff - got me very excited. After installing it on my nexus, and experiencing it - I concur with most of the statements mentioned here.
Now it disappoints me because THERE IS LAG and the way Google boasted about butter, and the hackery that has gone into it to make it "appear" smoother - while the odd lag and jerks still exists as before, is a bit of a dampener.
The phone is noticeably smoother, the jerks are still present - if you have an eye to look at it, and considering Android top smartphones pack 1.5 times the power of an iOS or Windows phone - backed by Google, can still not solve this basic UI fluid problem - is disappointing.
I would prefer less chest thumping, and more action in dealing with this problem but after doing some heavy net searching - I've found this issue relates to the core of android, and makes it an inferior user experience to iOS and even Win P7 which runs on inferior hardware too
search more on the subject and you would find, here's just one piece...
https://plus.google.com/100838276097451809262/posts/VDkV9XaJRGS

dhruvraj said:
Whoever says there is no lag, do not see properly, or are fanboys willing to not see or ignore those quirks.
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I have better than 20/20 vision and am hardly a fanboi. It's a significant boost in performance over ICS. Can't wait to see the AOSP ROMS, they shall be killer.

So keep looking, and you shall find.

Considering this is a Developer PREVIEW, I'd have to say it's amazing. There is most definitely a difference in smoothness when compared to ICS. There is slight lag, but nothing that hasn't been seen on competing OS.
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I shall find that it's not a significant improvement over ICS?

CMNein said:
I shall find that it's not a significant improvement over ICS?
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Find proof in what I said earlier which you nitpicked
Observe your phone carefully - and you would find the same thing as what I wrote.
Now for your question here - yes, you are right, it is a good enough improvement over ICS.
The animations are faster, switching to messages and coming back - is much faster. App drawer, open close is faster - the screen "feels" more sensitive - it works with feather touches - and almost feels like the system is eager to make you feel how smooth it is.
All that works. ICS was smooth too. Granted this one is smoother.
Lag and jerks existed in ICS too, and they do in Jelly Bean as well. They have resorted to other ways of making the phone experience to appear smoother while the problem with lag - scrolling through screens, app drawers, switching from app back to home drawer, and then scrolling - the MAJOR components of lag, still exists.
and irritate. If you're fine with it, cool. Good for you. I expected better of Google. Given WP7 and iOS do a phenomenal job with inferior hardware. Even the iOS part doesnt hurt as much as the WP7 does.
I mean come on! MS making this better than Google? There's some serious questions to be asked on our love for android here.

I don't pay attention to the animations since I typically disable them, and they can indeed be "hacked" to appear smoother. I've always felt that animations are just wasted time. I think that this preview is a sign of good things to come, but also some bad things to come, i.e. the new wifi drivers STILL suck.
I can see your point however. I think it's the trade off we have to make to have such great customization vs the Iphone.

dhruvraj said:
There is LAG.
Whoever says there is no lag, do not see properly, or are fanboys willing to not see or ignore those quirks.
I'm a HUGE Google fan, and I've been disappointed. This is 2012, and I genuinely believed that Android is better in almost EVERY way than iOS. But I disagree now.
I watched the io live, so much chest thumping, project butter n stuff - got me very excited. After installing it on my nexus, and experiencing it - I concur with most of the statements mentioned here.
Now it disappoints me because THERE IS LAG and the way Google boasted about butter, and the hackery that has gone into it to make it "appear" smoother - while the odd lag and jerks still exists as before, is a bit of a dampener.
The phone is noticeably smoother, the jerks are still present - if you have an eye to look at it, and considering Android top smartphones pack 1.5 times the power of an iOS or Windows phone - backed by Google, can still not solve this basic UI fluid problem - is disappointing.
I would prefer less chest thumping, and more action in dealing with this problem but after doing some heavy net searching - I've found this issue relates to the core of android, and makes it an inferior user experience to iOS and even Win P7 which runs on inferior hardware too
search more on the subject and you would find, here's just one piece...
https://plus.google.com/100838276097451809262/posts/VDkV9XaJRGS
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Finally someone had said what I have been thinking. Jellybean still lags a ton! How can Google talk about project butter so Mich while the rom still lags a crap ton?

Its a leaked developers version, its not ready for primetime and was never meant to be. Once AOSP is updated I'm sure it will be sorted. However, it is a promising start IMO. Seems smoother (NOT lagfree) then stock ICS

Everything's amazing and nobody is happy.
You want to see some lag, try a Vibrant on stock Froyo. This stuff does not bother me in the least. It didn't bother me in ICS. JB is awesome. JMO.

When "smoothness" surpasses all other features

I don't know about you guys but every single time I have a discussion with a friend or even family member smoothness always seems to end up being the primary topic of discussion. Am I alone here? Why has this become so important .So important in tact that for a lot of people it superceeds major features such as lte or 4g support. Even a higher quality device or even camera or processor. Why are we all so obsessed with smoothness and why do I find myself constantly defending android and specific versions for "smoothness". I am sure like most of you I would much rather favor features and hardware over smoothness. The jelly bean update for the s2 is a testimate to just how far a quality build and os can take hardware but doesn't it just suck to say "oh ya you have to wait for the latest update to get that smooth or you need to run xx and it will be just as smooth". Feels like we are always on the defense.
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It's cuz smoothness feels nice, my phone is ultra smooth and it's ultra fast, but the average person couldn't have achieved this easily, which is why you're having that experience with others who aren't willing or able to work on their device to truly understand it's workings and then optimize them, leaving you with them probably preferring a non android phone, and also at the end of a really, really long, run-on sentence.
Different strokes for different folks' skill &/or depth of interest levels.
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Its like being really really good looking, they just don't get it .
My jelly is so smooth people confuse it with the S3. :what:
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Im sorry to say this. Dont get me wrong here. I will forever be an android guy. But it is somewhat sad when i bring home my brand new evo, or s2 and find out that my 5 year old iphone3GS has more smoothness in its graphics than a phone with 10 times more performance. I mean come on. With the power of these phones today lag should be a thing of the past. Not complaining or dogging this phone or anyones work here. This has been the best phone ive ever had.
But some of these stock builds are a little bit of a joke (all android phones in general)

My phone on gb27 is super smooth. Stock rooted.
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Because a phone can have all the high end hardware in the world but it's all for nothing if it doesn't feel like it does.
The average person isn't willing to take time out of their day just to make their phone as smooth-feeling as another phone that already feels that way, they're going to want a phone that is pleasurable to use; not one that supposedly is high end but doesn't feel like it in the fluidity of its animations and snappiness.

I updated my s2 to gb27 and it definitely runs better but have been spoiled with the "smoothness" of my s3 its quite noticeable how unsmooth my s2 is in comparison. Yet even I stick with my s3 and loose wimax capabilities just for smoothness. And I know I not the only one .
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cas8180 said:
I updated my s2 to gb27 and it definitely runs better but have been spoiled with the "smoothness" of my s3 its quite noticeable how unsmooth my s2 is in comparison. Yet even I stick with my s3 and loose wimax capabilities just for smoothness. And I know I not the only one .
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The SIII has LTE... Why would you care about WiMax? It is on its way out.
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The SIII has LTE... Why would you care about WiMax? It is on its way out.
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I think it has to do with the areas that still have WiMax but no LTE. So he has an LTE capable phone in a 3G/WiMax only area and is choosing to deal with the slower 3G speeds for "smoothness" with the SGS3 versus the faster data speeds with the E4GT's WiMax. This is exactly why I didn't upgrade to the SGS3 when I was due for an upgrade, I wanted to keep my WiMax data speeds until LTE comes to my area.
My opinion is that the E4GT is very smooth on a jelly bean aosp ROM or a jelly bean TW ROM. ICS isn't that great for "smoothness" on this phone though.

That's exactly it there are a couple of us in here from the Vegas area and there are no plans anytime in the near future for lte. However our city was an early adopter for wimax so we have excellent coverage here. However every other cell provider including metro PCs has excellent lte coverage here. Kind of ironic. But ya people here seem to always choose the s3 over the s2 just for "smoothness" reasons and sacrifice wimax for this. My ex who used to work at sprint would tell me about it all the time. Its crazy the emphasis we have put on smoothness and how dramatic it impacts our purchasing decisions.
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Most of the "smoothness" you see between android and ios has nothing to do with the hardware or the OS it's entirely because of the higher resolution. It's a placebo effect caused by more pixels tricking the eye into the transitions appearing smoother, nothing more nothing less. When you have that many pixels packed into a screen that small its going to look smooth even if its really running like crap.
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I never find myself defending android.. Because when people are stuck on something they like it is what it is.. You can state all the facts and they are still blind to to the truth
I never had any problems with my phone being smooth.. Even my s2..hell my note 2 runs circles around all my family's iPhones.. Another story and not trying to bring up a war.. I believe it's all how you take care of your phone as well.. My girls s3 lags but she doesn't ake care of it.. No telling what it's bogged down with
As far as lag with my android the only time I ever experienced lag Is when it's an app error and it had a hiccup which would be due to the developer of that app.. Which has nothing to do with the phone
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Most of the "smoothness" you see between android and ios has nothing to do with the hardware or the OS it's entirely because of the higher resolution. It's a placebo effect caused by more pixels tricking the eye into the transitions appearing smoother, nothing more nothing less. When you have that many pixels packed into a screen that small its going to look smooth even if its really running like crap.
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It's not really that. it's more so because iOS prioritizes the smoothness over everything else. It puts more resources in making the device feel quick and snappy that it limits other functions, that's why Android has always felt less smooth and is why there's till a touch to sound latency of about 100ms that is yet to be fixed in Android.
in iOS, that latency is around 1-3ms which is why you see people using iPad's for making music and such. Android can't do that just yet, that latency is killer when it comes to that.
Hell, iOS saves a screenshot of an app that you switch out of for when it actually closes it that way when you open it, any app; it looks like it remembered what you were doing and was running the whole time while it loads the actual data; That's why you can't do anything at first, because it's a picture.

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It's not really that. it's more so because iOS prioritizes the smoothness over everything else. It puts more resources in making the device feel quick and snappy that it limits other functions, that's why Android has always felt less smooth and is why there's till a touch to sound latency of about 100ms that is yet to be fixed in Android.
in iOS, that latency is around 1-3ms which is why you see people using iPad's for making music and such. Android can't do that just yet, that latency is killer when it comes to that.
Hell, iOS saves a screenshot of an app that you switch out of for when it actually closes it that way when you open it, any app; it looks like it remembered what you were doing and was running the whole time while it loads the actual data; That's why you can't do anything at first, because it's a picture.
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I remember reading that article that broke all that down a while ago. The android vs ios comparison.
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I updated my s2 to gb27 and it definitely runs better but have been spoiled with the "smoothness" of my s3 its quite noticeable how unsmooth my s2 is in comparison. Yet even I stick with my s3 and loose wimax capabilities just for smoothness. And I know I not the only one .
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Most effective thing in increasing smoothness on my phone was the Seeder app, there's controversy over how or whether it works, but from my first hand experience on 2 ET4Gs, it sped up and smoothed out both of them incredibly. And it's free on xda
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I think it's the fact that when I hit a button, I want it to respond quickly, or "smoothly." As another poster said, to each his own. I would rather have a fast, responsive, super smooth ROM than a better phone camera which is why I love this site and applaud the devs that put so much hard work into perfecting these systems. Good food for thought comment though.
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