When "smoothness" surpasses all other features - Samsung Epic 4G Touch

I don't know about you guys but every single time I have a discussion with a friend or even family member smoothness always seems to end up being the primary topic of discussion. Am I alone here? Why has this become so important .So important in tact that for a lot of people it superceeds major features such as lte or 4g support. Even a higher quality device or even camera or processor. Why are we all so obsessed with smoothness and why do I find myself constantly defending android and specific versions for "smoothness". I am sure like most of you I would much rather favor features and hardware over smoothness. The jelly bean update for the s2 is a testimate to just how far a quality build and os can take hardware but doesn't it just suck to say "oh ya you have to wait for the latest update to get that smooth or you need to run xx and it will be just as smooth". Feels like we are always on the defense.
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It's cuz smoothness feels nice, my phone is ultra smooth and it's ultra fast, but the average person couldn't have achieved this easily, which is why you're having that experience with others who aren't willing or able to work on their device to truly understand it's workings and then optimize them, leaving you with them probably preferring a non android phone, and also at the end of a really, really long, run-on sentence.
Different strokes for different folks' skill &/or depth of interest levels.
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Its like being really really good looking, they just don't get it .
My jelly is so smooth people confuse it with the S3. :what:
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Im sorry to say this. Dont get me wrong here. I will forever be an android guy. But it is somewhat sad when i bring home my brand new evo, or s2 and find out that my 5 year old iphone3GS has more smoothness in its graphics than a phone with 10 times more performance. I mean come on. With the power of these phones today lag should be a thing of the past. Not complaining or dogging this phone or anyones work here. This has been the best phone ive ever had.
But some of these stock builds are a little bit of a joke (all android phones in general)

My phone on gb27 is super smooth. Stock rooted.
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Because a phone can have all the high end hardware in the world but it's all for nothing if it doesn't feel like it does.
The average person isn't willing to take time out of their day just to make their phone as smooth-feeling as another phone that already feels that way, they're going to want a phone that is pleasurable to use; not one that supposedly is high end but doesn't feel like it in the fluidity of its animations and snappiness.

I updated my s2 to gb27 and it definitely runs better but have been spoiled with the "smoothness" of my s3 its quite noticeable how unsmooth my s2 is in comparison. Yet even I stick with my s3 and loose wimax capabilities just for smoothness. And I know I not the only one .
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cas8180 said:
I updated my s2 to gb27 and it definitely runs better but have been spoiled with the "smoothness" of my s3 its quite noticeable how unsmooth my s2 is in comparison. Yet even I stick with my s3 and loose wimax capabilities just for smoothness. And I know I not the only one .
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The SIII has LTE... Why would you care about WiMax? It is on its way out.
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The SIII has LTE... Why would you care about WiMax? It is on its way out.
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I think it has to do with the areas that still have WiMax but no LTE. So he has an LTE capable phone in a 3G/WiMax only area and is choosing to deal with the slower 3G speeds for "smoothness" with the SGS3 versus the faster data speeds with the E4GT's WiMax. This is exactly why I didn't upgrade to the SGS3 when I was due for an upgrade, I wanted to keep my WiMax data speeds until LTE comes to my area.
My opinion is that the E4GT is very smooth on a jelly bean aosp ROM or a jelly bean TW ROM. ICS isn't that great for "smoothness" on this phone though.

That's exactly it there are a couple of us in here from the Vegas area and there are no plans anytime in the near future for lte. However our city was an early adopter for wimax so we have excellent coverage here. However every other cell provider including metro PCs has excellent lte coverage here. Kind of ironic. But ya people here seem to always choose the s3 over the s2 just for "smoothness" reasons and sacrifice wimax for this. My ex who used to work at sprint would tell me about it all the time. Its crazy the emphasis we have put on smoothness and how dramatic it impacts our purchasing decisions.
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Most of the "smoothness" you see between android and ios has nothing to do with the hardware or the OS it's entirely because of the higher resolution. It's a placebo effect caused by more pixels tricking the eye into the transitions appearing smoother, nothing more nothing less. When you have that many pixels packed into a screen that small its going to look smooth even if its really running like crap.
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I never find myself defending android.. Because when people are stuck on something they like it is what it is.. You can state all the facts and they are still blind to to the truth
I never had any problems with my phone being smooth.. Even my s2..hell my note 2 runs circles around all my family's iPhones.. Another story and not trying to bring up a war.. I believe it's all how you take care of your phone as well.. My girls s3 lags but she doesn't ake care of it.. No telling what it's bogged down with
As far as lag with my android the only time I ever experienced lag Is when it's an app error and it had a hiccup which would be due to the developer of that app.. Which has nothing to do with the phone
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Most of the "smoothness" you see between android and ios has nothing to do with the hardware or the OS it's entirely because of the higher resolution. It's a placebo effect caused by more pixels tricking the eye into the transitions appearing smoother, nothing more nothing less. When you have that many pixels packed into a screen that small its going to look smooth even if its really running like crap.
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It's not really that. it's more so because iOS prioritizes the smoothness over everything else. It puts more resources in making the device feel quick and snappy that it limits other functions, that's why Android has always felt less smooth and is why there's till a touch to sound latency of about 100ms that is yet to be fixed in Android.
in iOS, that latency is around 1-3ms which is why you see people using iPad's for making music and such. Android can't do that just yet, that latency is killer when it comes to that.
Hell, iOS saves a screenshot of an app that you switch out of for when it actually closes it that way when you open it, any app; it looks like it remembered what you were doing and was running the whole time while it loads the actual data; That's why you can't do anything at first, because it's a picture.

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It's not really that. it's more so because iOS prioritizes the smoothness over everything else. It puts more resources in making the device feel quick and snappy that it limits other functions, that's why Android has always felt less smooth and is why there's till a touch to sound latency of about 100ms that is yet to be fixed in Android.
in iOS, that latency is around 1-3ms which is why you see people using iPad's for making music and such. Android can't do that just yet, that latency is killer when it comes to that.
Hell, iOS saves a screenshot of an app that you switch out of for when it actually closes it that way when you open it, any app; it looks like it remembered what you were doing and was running the whole time while it loads the actual data; That's why you can't do anything at first, because it's a picture.
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I remember reading that article that broke all that down a while ago. The android vs ios comparison.
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cas8180 said:
I updated my s2 to gb27 and it definitely runs better but have been spoiled with the "smoothness" of my s3 its quite noticeable how unsmooth my s2 is in comparison. Yet even I stick with my s3 and loose wimax capabilities just for smoothness. And I know I not the only one .
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Most effective thing in increasing smoothness on my phone was the Seeder app, there's controversy over how or whether it works, but from my first hand experience on 2 ET4Gs, it sped up and smoothed out both of them incredibly. And it's free on xda
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I think it's the fact that when I hit a button, I want it to respond quickly, or "smoothly." As another poster said, to each his own. I would rather have a fast, responsive, super smooth ROM than a better phone camera which is why I love this site and applaud the devs that put so much hard work into perfecting these systems. Good food for thought comment though.
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galaxy s 2 is it a good phone?

i want opinions about this phone is it good hows the battery gaming everything overall is it a phone to buy?? I have the G2x and i want to upgrade from it to a better phone thank you for your time
Georican said:
i want opinions about this phone is it good hows the battery gaming everything overall is it a phone to buy?? I have the G2x and i want to upgrade from it to a better phone thank you for your time
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Gaming and video is better on g2x. Gs2 beats it in all other catergories came from g2x ... g2x is a great phone but I don't game on my phone much so I really haven't looked back the screen on this is the trade off here... its great
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thank you for your opinion!
Galaxy s 2 plays any video format I played 1080p mkv avi mp4
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If your phone don't have reboot issue or other issues...wait for the next big thing..
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kt0ce said:
If your phone don't have reboot issue or other issues...wait for the next big thing..
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If that's the case, definitely trade for sgs2. I had 4 replacement g2x and well the issue I had was with internet related, every phone that dis come, rebooted or shutoff itself. What good is a phone that does that randomly? I get my gs2 in 3 days
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Alrite so heres the deal i had the g2x and still do mine was good to me had it since launch in april, imo best gaming phone period! a lot of bad negativety about it i think effed things up in that forum but like i said great phone now i just got my gs2 the other day at retail and it was worth every single penny i love this phone it also plays games great too i play dead space, angry birds and riptide gp and they all play phenomenal now some games dont play so nice but in my opinion there not optimized for this phone yet (our version) like example riptide just had an update for our phone and its smooth as butter now people were also complaining about lines and blobs on the phone and there right i do see them but in a dark room on a dark background like our status bar (pull down) and your phone has to be on pretty much the lowest setting, but this does not bother me at all in everyday normal use whether u are outside in the sun, or in your house u do not see it. This phone rocks it is fast, super easy to root and throw custom roms on and the camera and screen are just awesome, plus the download speeds are kick ass this phone gets a 10 out of 10 imo
The Samsung Galaxy S2 is a sick ass phone! I was hesitant to go back to sammy after my vibrant but I have no regrets now! FAST FAST FAST!
I would recommend this phone to anyone on t mobile looking to upgrade. Yes, something bigger and better is always on the horizon as with all technology, but at the moment, for my money the sg2 is the best option.
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I would recommend this phone to anyone on t mobile looking to upgrade. Yes, something bigger and better is always on the horizon as with all technology, but at the moment, for my money the sg2 is the best option.
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perfect quote!! i love my sgs2!
This is the first Android phone on AT&T that I've tried that could go up against the 3gs and beat it hands down. I haven't had a 4 or a 4s but it definitely beats the 3gs and I'm not talking in terms hardware or benchmarks, which are meaningless to real world use. I'm talking about the famous iPhone stability and the whole "it just works" mentality that comes with it. This phone has that. I'm currently getting 17+ hours on one charge and I'm definitely a power user. (grandfathered unlimited data plan on AT&T). I tend to run Cognition ROM because I prefer stability over flashy features and well, old habits from my Captivate days. There are some other sweet roms, I'm currently trying out the UnNamed ROM. (making my rounds) Good luck with your phone selection.
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THANK YOU guys so much!!! now im completely convince to get this phone thank you guys again and thanks for the time!!

Can the GN ever be as smooth as an iPhone 4S?

Alright, you're gonna be mad about the topic but I'm being honest here.
I never had a nexus phone and I was hoping that if I got a Galaxy Nexus, the phone wouldn't stutter (in browser and in apps) and it does. On websites the stuttering when scrolling is annoying. The phone is fast (home screen, app drawer, settings) but a lot of apps are jittery and not fluid.
I'm running AOKP Milestone 4 with Lean Kernel v2.4.
So my question is, is it possible to get the Galaxy Nexus to be as smooth as an iPhone? Some reasons would be good because there's no doubting the 4s is very fluid with rare if any hiccups.
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what apps...all mine are as smooth as the iphone.
AOKP is the king of extra features, but if you want smooth you should try Peter Alfonso's Bugless Beast.
The selling point if the iphone 4s is Suri.
My buddy tried to show it off and it didn't work at all.
He was really embarrassed.. It screwed up everything.
I showed him my nexus, and then I proceeded to pull 15 down 13 up in a speed test.
Boy was he jealous of my Nexus.
If all you care about is smooth scrolling, use the stock firmware. It's smoother than most ROMs, but lacks many features in the custom ROMs.
Don't forget, you're running a beta version of community created code. We don't have as much access to the hardware as the original designers, and can't optimize things as easily.
Whinging about it not being as smooth as an iPhone when you're running user created firmware is like complaining that the shelves you built yourself aren't as nice as the ones that your friend paid a professional carpenter to create.
AOKP runs great for most people, myself included, but there are tradeoffs for the extra features.
also, one more thing you gotta take into consideration is that aokp is more for customization. you want more of a rom that works only on stability. i havnt tried m4, but i do know that bamf is amazingly smooth. and alsooo when was the last time you saw the 4s? sure you can slide smoothly but doesnt it matter much more how quick you can load the page? try a diff browser also... mines working perfectly on google chrome and stock.
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If all you care about is smooth scrolling, use the stock firmware. It's smoother than most ROMs, but lacks many features in the custom ROMs.
Don't forget, you're running a beta version of community created code. We don't have as much access to the hardware as the original designers, and can't optimize things as easily.
Whinging about it not being as smooth as an iPhone when you're running user created firmware is like complaining that the shelves you built yourself aren't as nice as the ones that your friend paid a professional carpenter to create.
AOKP runs great for most people, myself included, but there are tradeoffs for the extra features.
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That's a poor analogy. The ROM devs are not building these ROMs from scratch, they are making relatively small changes to the code provided by Google. A better analogy would be assembling an office desk from IKEA (store that sells put-it-together-yourself furniture for you non-U.S. folk) vs having a carpenter friend put it together. Sure your friend might drill a hold here or there to make the fit better, but he isn't carving the shelf out of lumber.
-- also, one more thing you gotta take into consideration is that aokp is more for customization. you want more of a rom that works only on stability. i havnt tried m4, but i do know that bamf is amazingly smooth. and alsooo when was the last time you saw the 4s? sure you can slide smoothly but doesnt it matter much more how quick you can load the page? try a diff browser also... mines working perfectly on google chrome and stock. --
stock browser and chrome are jerky but the stock browser is a little better
Stock software was slow for me too, worse than AOKP M4
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-- what apps...all mine are as smooth as the iphone. --
XDA, web browser, maps
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-- AOKP is the king of extra features, but if you want smooth you should try Peter Alfonso's Bugless Beast. --
Ok I'll try bugless beast ans see if it helps
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android will never be as smooth as the iphone, its running a dalvik client
Do iPhone users just get Android phones and swipe and down all day to see how fluid it moves. You guys know there is much more to the phone then just scrolling pages up and down, right?
You also realize the device is pushing a higher resolution then an iPhone as well so a lot more pixels are in play.
Seriously, even if the GN scrolled smoother then it already does, I don't think I would really give a sh.t......It would not change my experience in the least.
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android will never be as smooth as the iphone, its running a dalvik client
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Not to mention iPhone 4S GPU absolutely blows away any other mobile GPU on the market, and on top of that pushes fewer pixels.
iPhone 4S is a graphical beast.
Have you turned on Hardware Acceleration in the Settings?
qtx said:
Have you turned on Hardware Acceleration in the Settings?
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Yes, it's turned on
matt2053 said:
Not to mention iPhone 4S GPU absolutely blows away any other mobile GPU on the market, and on top of that pushes fewer pixels.
iPhone 4S is a graphical beast.
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The iPhone 4 is smooth as well and the GPU isn't as good as the iPhone 4S
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Do iPhone users just get Android phones and swipe and down all day to see how fluid it moves. You guys know there is much more to the phone then just scrolling pages up and down, right?
You also realize the device is pushing a higher resolution then an iPhone as well so a lot more pixels are in play.
Seriously, even if the GN scrolled smoother then it already does, I don't think I would really give a sh.t......It would not change my experience in the least.
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Jerky scrolling is annoying (in the browser and in XDA app)...it's as if the frame rate is running at 20fps as opposed to 60fps
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android will never be as smooth as the iphone, its running a dalvik client
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If that's true then that sucks.
crossover37 said:
If that's true then that sucks.
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of course its true, everything is in java
and of course don't forget about the fact that Android handles the UI in a different way compared to iOS (the UI isn't prioritised or something along those lines).

Is ICS really that good?

I don't know :/ Initially everything I read about it suggested that it used some form of hardware acceleration to make phones run much smoother. However, after seeing many speed tests between the Droid Razr and the Galaxy Nexus (both using TI OMAP4 chips, razr has GB and GN uses ICS) the Razr smokes the Nexus in every aspect. And I understand there are many other factors involved that could play into that, but in general it seems people's experiences with ICS point to it being much more bogged down then GB ever was. I don't know, anyone else have thoughts on this :/
Honestly I don't think it is that great. For me it is the eyecandy and a couple of cool new features that make ICS so interesting. But after running ICS for a while I went back to GB and was astonished by how good GB was. By no means is ICS bad, I just don't think that it is on GB level of performance.
It probably just depends on optimization and other stuffs. Processor doesn't determine everything, although it does help. I personally like the TW ICS and it's pretty smooth to me.
Ics gapps like youtube is one of the big big reasons why I stay and its just something different from gingerbread.
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Honestly I don't think it is that great. For me it is the eyecandy and a couple of cool new features that make ICS so interesting. But after running ICS for a while I went back to GB and was astonished by how good GB was. By no means is ICS bad, I just don't think that it is on GB level of performance.
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Pretty much my experience as well. It seems they tried to make ICS very perty. And it is, it's got lots of nice transitions and neat features and a nice UI, but after going back to GB I realized how slow ICS actually is.
Perhaps that's why Google has already started Jelly bean, because they realized ICS isn't that great? :/
ICS on my phone is a minimum upgrade that works good for me but when my tab went from Honeycomb to ICS it made a much larger impact. I think ICS brings all the capable devices together and Jellybean will be the one that solidifies Android.
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We all love something new, and we all love eyecandy.
If GB is working fine for you right now, you won't gain much at all moving to ICS.
The only thing I like about ICS is that elastic scrolling of a zoomed in page works.
Samsung GB is a mess. Doubletap on any content and scroll in 1 direction, it's all over the place with no elastic snap on either X or Y axis.
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The only thing I like about ICS is that elastic scrolling of a zoomed in page works.
Samsung GB is a mess. Doubletap on any content and scroll in 1 direction, it's all over the place with no elastic snap on either X or Y axis.
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So out of all the new features, elastic scrolling is most important to you?
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So out of all the new features, elastic scrolling is most important to you?
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[fwiw, I really dig MIUI. It's my go-to.]
I haven't experienced much in ICS (leaks) that has really improved much over what we already had. Gallery is better, but Gallery ICS+ is in the market for 2.3.
*shrug*
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Pretty much my experience as well. It seems they tried to make ICS very perty. And it is, it's got lots of nice transitions and neat features and a nice UI, but after going back to GB I realized how slow ICS actually is.
Perhaps that's why Google has already started Jelly bean, because they realized ICS isn't that great? :/
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Google is on a yearly release schedule for major Android releases. Jelly Bean or whatever it'll be called was planned well before ICS was shown to the public.
And ICS on skinned devices isn't much of an upgrade, especially with the mess that is Touchwiz. This is due to the (correct) belief on Samsung's part that Android is more complicated and "ugly" than the average user wants/expects. Some of their feature enhancements are useful, but the visual is just awful. On its own, Touchwiz isn't worse than vanilla GB, but you can't use Touchwiz on its own. There are always elements of vanilla GB that show and that makes the entire thing an uncoordinated mess.
Android has reached a point where Google can work on refining the OS with small features. More importantly, ICS is the start of a unified and unique theme that can set Android visually apart from iOS and WP7 which look much better than any Android phone shipping with GB.
Of course, none of that matters since OEMs insist on skinning their phones. I had hoped Samsung would've followed HTC and toned down the skinning for the new version of Touchwiz, but that was a pipe dream considering the number of SGSII's they sold. My biggest problem with Touchwiz is that it doesn't mesh with the Holo theme at all which I hope app developers would use, allowing for a more unified Android look.
What I'm trying to say is: No, ICS is not that much of an upgrade from GB. But, ICS is that important to Android and its future.
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[fwiw, I really dig MIUI. It's my go-to.]
I haven't experienced much in ICS (leaks) that has really improved much over what we already had. Gallery is better, but Gallery ICS+ is in the market for 2.3.
*shrug*
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I actually love ICS especially the last few leaks. Everything seems so fast and efficient to me
Oh and my friend finally solved 4g on Miui so be on the lookout for that sometime in the near future
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Oh and my friend finally solved 4g on Miui so be on the lookout for that sometime in the near future
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now THATS interesting news!
the one thing that's really kept me from playing with miui.
and, in general, i could not disagree with many of the responses here more. (and agree with JC)
ics runs smooth, quick, and the gapps are a Major upgrade, worth it alone, imho.
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now THATS interesting news!
the one thing that's really kept me from playing with miui.
and, in general, i could not disagree with many of the responses here more. (and agree with JC)
ics runs smooth, quick, and the gapps are a Major upgrade, worth it alone, imho.
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Yeah Miui with 4g will be huge! He solved it on NS4G and is building a ROM now. After that (or maybe already) other Miui.us guys like TCP should have access to his code or changes to the code
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I had some serious battery issues, but I didn't tweak much and didn't want to. I wanted to see the experience Android/Samsung intended us to have.
My favorite aspect of ICS: the ability to disable built in apps. I don't use media hub. I don't use social hub. I don't use Sprint bloatware. ETC. I love having the option of disabling crap I don't use but being able to restore it if it causes OS problems.
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in its stock form hell yea
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I had some serious battery issues, but I didn't tweak much and didn't want to. I wanted to see the experience Android/Samsung intended us to have.
My favorite aspect of ICS: the ability to disable built in apps. I don't use media hub. I don't use social hub. I don't use Sprint bloatware. ETC. I love having the option of disabling crap I don't use but being able to restore it if it causes OS problems.
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How do you do that?
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Well, I had it switched from the touchwiz launcher to the stock launcher. I don't think that makes a difference though. Manage apps> all> select an app> if it's a stock app instead of the uninstall option, it'll have disable. Beats the greyed out block that's on GB.
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Yes ics is awesomee it's still being worked on and im surprised how nice it is. But like others say if u like GB then stay on it. if u want to try ics do it if u don't like it go back no big deall
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Yes ics is awesomee it's still being worked on and im surprised how nice it is. But like others say if u like GB then stay on it. if u want to try ics do it if u don't like it go back no big deall
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Totally agree with you, and I did the latter because of the battery life and I'm waiting for them to polish out the bugs I found. The title of the thread is asking for peoples opinions and evaluations of ICS. You have to understand that some people are not going to share your point of view.
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[Q] Project Butter

I understand that project butter was a feature of the newest android builds. Now does that mean when a phone officially gets the build they also get project butter? Is this only a nexus thing? If project butter is on a touchwiz rom, does that mean that it could lead to a faster cm10?
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Its a jellybean thing. Any android with 4.1 or higher is supposed to have "project butter" its supposed to be 60fps now.
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Its a jellybean thing. Any android with 4.1 or higher is supposed to have "project butter" its supposed to be 60fps now.
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Yes, I mean that's what I assumed, I just mean to ask what could be holding it back? Is there a need for more development? Shouldn't the release of an official 4.1 release dawn the integration of project butter to all 4.1 roms?
I'm just trying to get a better understanding.
I'm confused, I told you its built into 4.1 ROMs we have it officially and unofficially through cm....
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Project butter is BS. If you have a ROM and kernel combo with good performance and tuned properly without conflicting scripts anywhere in the ROM monitoring CPU.... or GPU... then you should never see a blip of "lag" ever.
Don't buy into the hype.
I agree its just a hype thing to get people excited and promote android for this and that. I still hardly notice anything different in JB compared to ICS, does it scroll better? a little. Doss it feel smoother in the app drawer? No. It feels extremely smooth still. Overall just enjoy your phone and don't worry about gimmicky names for things.
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Hey, I read all of your comments, but here's where I'm confused... I know that disabling hardware overlays disables project butter, but wouldn't you want the GPU doing the work instead of the software anyway?
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Hey, I read all of your comments, but here's where I'm confused... I know that disabling hardware overlays disables project butter, but wouldn't you want the GPU doing the work instead of the software anyway?
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You will get better performance from the two CPUs "aiding" in rendering your UI... but the cost will be battery life. Honestly, an over clocked GPU can accomplish the rendering tasks in UI AND GAMES that your CPUs would. I have never noticed a difference in performance running my handset with the "disable hw overlay" ticked in the dev options.
Not sure what you meant by the GPU doing the work instead of software. Bottom line is, your hardware is doing the computing of what android (your UI) is telling it to do in either case. If you look at a kmsg log while touching your screen you can see finger touch events being communicated through the UI... touch boosters.. specific to jelly bean. Kind of interesting really. I guess this is part of "butter"
But like I said. Seems like a bunch of bs. I have never seen terrible lag in the last 4 devices I have owned - s3, 4g LTE, s2 and an Evo 3D.. and the latter two were running gingerbread!
Anyways, yeah. I type too fast. Lol
Rant over
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You will get better performance from the two CPUs "aiding" in rendering your UI... but the cost will be battery life. Honestly, an over clocked GPU can accomplish the rendering tasks in UI AND GAMES that your CPUs would. I have never noticed a difference in performance running my handset with the "disable hw overlay" ticked in the dev options.
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Wait, so do I leave hw overlay checked or disabled for better battery life.
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Project Butter is not bs. Flip through your widgets in the app drawer and tell me it doesn't feel a crapton smoother than it did on ICS.
adslee said:
Project Butter is not bs. Flip through your widgets in the app drawer and tell me it doesn't feel a crapton smoother than it did on ICS.
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So you want us to flip through our app drawer, Which I put money on 50-75% don't use stock to see if it feels a "crapton smoother" in the app drawer, I ran stock for a week without a separate launcher and nothing felt different...
I don't think project butter is really bs, have you guys ever used a galaxy nexus or the nexus 4? I've never used a device that smooth. My sgs3 is quick, but it's not butter. I think that that's what I want.
Smooth though
Having been on lots of ROMs I can say this -
Whenever I come across the system tweaks 'Project Butter',and they are ACTUALLY implemented, there NEVER is a corresponding increase in speed i.e. response to touch BUT over time, there is a definate velvety experience that I appreciate very much. Buffered almost. Fuzzy, like Vinyl vs. Digital.
There are many ROMs that are so quick, they feel twitchy...tense.
Anytime I'm OFF 'Project Butter' what I realise I'm missing is a certain finish to the 'beginning and end of action' - I'm miss a certain silkiness.
Over a period of time, I have come to actively look for these components first in ANY ROM - everything else can be APKed to fit my needs, but the overall feel of predictable, regulated, smoothness across the whole system is something that I have come to look for before anything else..

Anybody feels the S4 was rushed? Especially software wise?

So I've had my S4 since the 30th, pre-ordered it on the 29th at 3:00AM.
After using it now for about 5 days, I am pretty disappointed in the software. Basically none of the "COOL" features it has works very well, especially the head scrolling. Terrible...
The smoothness on the phone is so utterly inconsistent it bothers me till no end. 60 percent of the time, operations are silky smooth, 40 percent there is a motherload of lag. Simply closing an app will cause the animation to "stutter" as it closes. Sometimes swiping between screens will cause the phone to stutter, opening the camera sometimes is instant, sometimes it take a couple seconds! WTF that drives me insane on a phone that pulls in 12,000+ quadrant scores and wipes the floor with pretty much everything in antutu.
I blame Samsung, their TW is definitely not ready for prime time when skinned on top of 4.2.2. Seemed like a rush job to get the phone shipped with 4.2.2 so they can get the upper hand on the HTC One.
TW works absolutely flawless on 4.1 for example on the Note 2 and GS3, there was hardly a hint of lag on those phones. So what do you guys think? TW not ready for 4.2.2 or is it because it's not optimized for the new Snapdragon processor?
i had a s3 and a s2 and a s1 and all these problems people complained about was stil there. I dont remember tw being that fluid on my s3 i remember i couldnt wait to root it to add cm on it. A article i read said it best "Android phones have a reputation for customizability. And to a certain extent, they almost require tinkering to optimize the experience. Theres always gonna be something we dont like about our phones thats why we love to tinker and change it!
wasnt really rushed, just touch wiz isnt meant for performance as much as gimmicky features, which all work just fine for me.
Though the debloated wicked rom is enough to keep me happy for now. as soon as paranoid android or P.A.C drops for our phone im on them in a heart beat. I just need per app dpi to be happy, with any phone
Wicked rom speeds the lag up a bit and im sure things will only get better..
21k antutu score stock, 25k after wicked... Im sure an Oc kernel will help too
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I have 25536 on stock with bloat frozen, running nova. Its prety qiuck, but i do have issues with camera crapping out on me every once in a while
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nib said:
I have 25536 on stock with bloat frozen, running nova. Its prety qiuck, but i do have issues with camera crapping out on me every once in a while
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try wickeds rom
Will give it a shot when i have some time. Maybe will wait out till next release. I am sure we will see a lots of good stuff popping up here almost daily.
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"Anybody feels the S4 was rushed? Especially software wise?"
no.
I really don't know yet. I sold my N4 for it, got it online last night it will be here in a week. Hopefully I don't regret it.
I think it's perfectly fine. some people are just picky and complain allot!
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I actually think the software is rather well polished. The theme is still not my cup of tea, but whatever. Really the only few issues I have is with camera focus every once in a while and the little bit of stuttery animation which seems more like a governor/kernel issue than anything.
Phone is pretty awesome overall.
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I really don't know yet. I sold my N4 for it, got it online last night it will be here in a week. Hopefully I don't regret it.
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i sold my N4 for it as well; and also paid my ETF from ATT so i could move to tmobile.
haven't looked back since. :good:
(side note: ***k you ATT)
I think it's pretty well done, the fact is the motion and smart camera tricks are always a little bit of a crap shoot, and they're so situational I can't really justify leaving them on to myself. So I just turn them all off, other than that I don't mind TouchWiz, it's very bright and cartoony, but I don't think that's a bad thing necessarily.
i do not think so
they will test it almost for long times, and someother funcition will be release to us in next OTA maybe, just as the apple doing.

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