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I have charged it in the morning until it was full, and started playing with it.
It was on for 9 hours until the battery was completely dead.
I used it since 11:30 until 3:30pm, then I left it on standby for a 2 hours (battery was at 14%). I came back used it for another 2 hours, and it went dead.
Everything was on except for bluetooth and GPS.
Android Operating system used 83% of the battery and all the other application were under 5%.
I did quite a bit of browsing, photos, movies, youtube, downloaded some apps, etc...
What do you all think about the battery performance?
At the moment it is charging and I will leave it plugged in until the morning. It is also turned off.
What are your experiences? Opinions?
9 hours only? That's not good ... But probably you have quite some widgets that actively sync etc. etc.
i wouldnt worry to much as you probably just received it and you must have played with it for a while, and also try turning off the auto update of facebook, email etc etc
thats kindda dispointing, ... even with updating i expected it to last at least one full day, I mean when they put many widgets they should take into consideration the battery life ... hope its cuz the battery is new, and needs some few charges to feel maximum capability
As I said, I did have everything on apart from GPS and Bluetooth. (including updates).
And yes I did use it for 6 full hours (medium screen brightness).
Downloaded apps, watched videoclips, played some flash games, wrote e-mails, wrote texts, browsed the internet, etc... funnily enough I EVEN made 1 (one) phone call!
I wouldn't worry about it though. ALL my phones only lasted for about 8-10 hours the first day when I got them.
Doesn't new Lithium-ion battery needs a couple of charging cycles before
reaching optimal capacity!?
Would be nice if someone could update us in this thread about the battery life when you've had it a few days and it's being abused less
We must however point out a couple of things regarding the Desires out there at the moment, although we certainly do not wish to discredit anyone else's reviews.
We have been informed by a reliable source that some HTC Desires have been out for review for several days now, but these devices did not come from the same source as ours. These early versions did not contain the final ROM that we have been waiting for and I am reliably informed that those devices will have essential features missing. They have also had problems with the OS crashing and serious battery issues which is clearly down to the fact that Google had not completed the ROMS when the devices were shipped.
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found @ tracy and Matts Blog
Could It be possible, that t-Mobile did not ship the Desire with the latest firmware?
Could It be possible, that t-Mobile did not ship the Desire with the latest firmware?
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I believe you are totally right.
I had my new HTC Desire from T-Mobile delivered today. It's a good phone but I have a problem. They sent a phone with pre-release software installed. Every screen has a watermark stating "HTC Confidential" and numbers.
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Let's wait ~7th April and then we will see true battery life...
I'm fairly sure that 9 hours of constant use is pretty damn good for any device. If I use my Touch HD for browsing the net/listening to music/ syncing etc it will die in far less than that.
Remember that it is a miracle that the iPad lasts for 10 hours of constant use, and thats got a massive battery in it!
So yea get used to it! At least while you are playing with it being a new toy and all.
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I'm fairly sure that 9 hours of constant use is pretty damn good for any device. If I use my Touch HD for browsing the net/listening to music/ syncing etc it will die in far less than that.
Remember that it is a miracle that the iPad lasts for 10 hours of constant use, and thats got a massive battery in it!
So yea get used to it! At least while you are playing with it being a new toy and all.
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dont forget that the iPad has 9.7-inch (diagonal) LED display, so that shouldnt be a reason, and dont forget that the Desire's display is AMOLED which should be a battery life saver.
For the OP, if you could try using it the same (constantly) but disable the live wallpaper
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dont forget that the iPad has 9.7-inch (diagonal) LED display, so that shouldnt be a reason, and dont forget that the Desire's display is AMOLED which should be a battery life saver.
For the OP, if you could try using it the same (constantly) but disable the live wallpaper
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LED & AMOLED = Same thing.
irkan said:
dont forget that the iPad has 9.7-inch (diagonal) LED display, so that shouldnt be a reason, and dont forget that the Desire's display is AMOLED which should be a battery life saver.
For the OP, if you could try using it the same (constantly) but disable the live wallpaper
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Agree with the AMOLED, but it's running a 1ghz processor along with the already perceived power hungry android.... Gotta admit that if you expect it to last more than a few hours of playing with, will be sorely dissapointed.
Compared to my HD which had a 528mhz processor but lcd screen, which lasted less than 10 hours when playing with non stop.
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It's not the same thing. "LED" is a backlit LCD-display, AMOLED is an active matrix OLED-display, completely different technologies.
TFT-LCD's use a backlight, OLED's has active pixels that light up per pixel and does not need an extra backlight.
The battery life is really poor.
I went to bed last night with it fully charged and this morning it was completely dead. Albeit I left meebo running in the background along with lookout and advanced task killer.
Nothing was set to update as I've deleted the friend stream and rss feed.
I'm pretty sure this phone should last a lot longer than 9 hours on standby.
If you have read the whole thread, you'll see that there might be an issue with the pre-released models. Unlocked/retail phones coming out next month with latest software will probably not have this issue.
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If you have read the whole thread, you'll see that there might be an issue with the pre-released models. Unlocked/retail phones coming out next month with latest software will probably not have this issue.
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I think someone should actually test turning everything off except gsm. No data connections, no updating of anything. No GPS, bluetooth, sync, no applications running. See how much it goes down overnight with everything off.
That could maybe be a good idea, just to see how much it goes down. But if you can't use the phone at all, I just can't see the point of having t his phone. It's made to be used and you are supposed to be connected at all times, so if HTC has made this phone with so bad battery performance, that just basically sucks.
On the other hand, it seems that the final ROM from HTC was just confirmed at Google this friday, so im guessing these early phones out there does not have the final ROM.
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Agree with the AMOLED, but it's running a 1ghz processor along with the already perceived power hungry android.... Gotta admit that if you expect it to last more than a few hours of playing with, will be sorely dissapointed.
Compared to my HD which had a 528mhz processor but lcd screen, which lasted less than 10 hours when playing with non stop.
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My Nokia E75, i run wifi all day, with push mail, and Zozoc (WiFi/GPRS Messaging client) and i can easily go through one whole day (and few hours). the screen is TFT, non-touch, and small.
I know that we cant compare cuz they are entirely different, but the point is, the battery life should not be (and i hope it is not) that bad, even when running apps in the background. one day (or few hours below that) should be decent.
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If you have read the whole thread, you'll see that there might be an issue with the pre-released models. Unlocked/retail phones coming out next month with latest software will probably not have this issue.
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The OS in the T-Mobile versions have already been approved by google, so its not a pre-release.
and i agree, someone should try to stop live wallpaper and updates (just use it as simple phone, calls, messages and a little bit of WiFi) and see how much that goes
I quote the following from the first detailed review from techradar
The battery in the HTC Desire was 'only' a 1400mAh effort - we'd have like to see a 1500mAh option there, as is the case with so many other smartphones at the moment.
We're also a little concerned about the battery life - it dropped rather quickly, and although you'll get a day's worth of use out of it under normal use (ie web browsing, calling etc) it can drop a little alarmingly fast at times.
We had a little look at what was munching on the power so much (thanks to the Android battery meter) and it seems to be the widgets (in particular FriendStream) and synchronising that's taking a lot of the power, along with the constant flicking to roaming networks and back to 3G.
We found a big increase in battery life if we stopped updating Peep, Friendstream and emails all day long, and when set to '2G networks only' the battery life also improved to three days' use without problem.
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this seems good, this is decent! i dont use 3G much, i would probably update the friends stream on demand, and with a little bit above average use, i should get 1.5-2 days without problems (based on the review)
No I want some people who already have the desire to try this and come back with the result
because it had some strange hardware problem when the volume was decreased to mute on its own as if were pressing minus constantly and when the volume was at 0 it started to vibrate nonstop. No it's not a software problem
Why did I get a refund instead of a new desire? Mainly because of 2 reasons.
1. The phone is useless in the sun. I couldn't even see who is calling. Beautiful beautiful 100 billions colors oled screen turns into void. No really I'd rather buy a device with 256 colors if these colors were plainly visible in the sun. Additionally I used to read books and with the oled screen I had to read white on black because of the battery life and this is annoying.
2. Battery life is just not bearable. Yes I'm using internet and what's why I bought it! Every day I had to think about battery and this is really boring. I had to stop my last.fm radio because 20 percent left in the middle of the day.
There are other problems but these two are the most important to me
It's a phone.
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It's a phone.
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Made me chuckle
flux said:
because it had some strange hardware problem when the volume was decreased to mute on its own as if were pressing minus constantly and when the volume was at 0 it started to vibrate nonstop. No it's not a software problem
Why did I get a refund instead of a new desire? Mainly because of 2 reasons.
1. The phone is useless in the sun. I couldn't even see who is calling. Beautiful beautiful 100 billions colors oled screen turns into void. No really I'd rather buy a device with 256 colors if these colors were plainly visible in the sun. Additionally I used to read books and with the oled screen I had to read white on black because of the battery life and this is annoying.
2. Battery life is just not bearable. Yes I'm using internet and what's why I bought it! Every day I had to think about battery and this is really boring. I had to stop my last.fm radio because 20 percent left in the middle of the day.
There are other problems but these two are the most important to me
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1. having auto brightness on ive never had any problems wit the screen
2. at the end of the day its a phone, not a notebook, so if ur using it just for the internet then u should exchange it for a notebook, cuz no phone ever made would last any longer if u were using internet for couple hours
normally when im at half hour break the phone uses about 10% of the battery using internet and listening to music, in general phone lasts a day or a day and a half, and im happy with it.
1. Use auto brightness OR put brightness control app shortcut which you can change brightness quickly.
My setting:
brightness at 10% (LOW, for indoor)
brightness at 40% (NORMAL)
brightness at 70% (HIGH)
I always use LOW and my eyes is pretty happy with that.
2. With correct settings you can have up to 2 days with medium - high usage.
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2. Battery life is just not bearable. Yes I'm using internet and what's why I bought it! Every day I had to think about battery and this is really boring. I had to stop my last.fm radio because 20 percent left in the middle of the day.
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Battery life is a joke on this device, I consider returning it too because of this.
I don't want to read any explanation and advices to use it as dumb phone!!!
My Omnia II could last 2 days with heavy usage pattern, this device dies in the middle of the day!!!
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1. Use auto brightness OR put brightness control app shortcut which you can change brightness quickly.
My setting:
brightness at 10% (LOW, for indoor)
brightness at 40% (NORMAL)
brightness at 70% (HIGH)
I always use LOW and my eyes is pretty happy with that.
2. With correct settings you can have up to 2 days with medium - high usage.
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what's what I'm talking about. You have to think about your your power settings all the time. You have to stop this, screw that, get used with your eyes and so on.
NO this is not just a phone. If I wanted a phone I'd be still using my old siemens that works for weeks with no recharge.
But I'm not going to start a flame with fan boys. You like it - go for it. But don't tell me nobody warned you if you're about to buy it.
btw analog audio quality is also bad. You can hear periodic noise pattern.
@OP
Judging from your couple of posts here since joining, it's clear that the Desire has not impressed you. Hope you're able to find another device that's capable for your needs.
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Battery life is a joke on this device, I consider returning it too because of this.
I don't want to read any explanation and advices to use it as dumb phone!!!
My Omnia II could last 2 days with heavy usage pattern, this device dies in the middle of the day!!!
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People need to relax with slamming the device because of battery life. There are several reasons your battery life may be terrible.
1. Your battery is not yet optimally conditioned yet. Cycle it through charges for several weeks and it'll improve significantly.
2. Your device is new so you naturally play with it all the time for absolutely no reason. That kills your battery life too.
Nobody would suggest you use this smartphone as a dumbphone. But do you really need Twitter, Friendstream, Weather, News, and Stocks widgets to all be active on your homescreen and autoupdating every hour? Is Google Maps Latitude really necessary? Does GPS and WIFI have to be constantly on? Is 100% brightness really necessary when auto-brightness looks just fine?
Take a more conservative approach to widgets and auto-updating and that will go a long way.
Btw, if you consider the battery life of the Desire to be bad, consider yourself lucky that you didn't go for the Xperia X10. That's a smartphone that you seriously have to use as a dumbphone to get through the day.
I'm a heavy user, and my Desire is at about 15% by the end of the day. What are you doing that's draining 100% by the afternoon?
Sorry to hear you had such a bad experience with the Desire.
Battery life imho is about the same as my Hero or Diamond or Omnia.
They all last a day with heavy usage. And when you leave the phone alone it will last two days.
Especially when using a lot of services that constantly use the internet. Those things use loads of power.
As for the sun, I use a anti glare protector now and that works great. I don't find the Desire extra hard to read outside when compared to the other phones I had. They all reflected so much in direct sunlight, they were all unusable. Without the anti glare that is, but anti glare us at the cost of quality.
Anyway, perhaps its best for you to wait. Wait for a phone with super amoled screen, bigger battery and more efficient chip.
But battery life is a common problem with electronics these days. Smartphones, laptops, netbooks and tablets all are build around the battery. A constant tradeoff between battery and power consumption. Endurance or performance.
Until we see some new battery technologies arise the battery will always be the weak part. Perhaps that super fast charging new Toshiba battery might find it's way into phones soon. At least charging it will be super fast
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because it had some strange hardware problem when the volume was decreased to mute on its own as if were pressing minus constantly and when the volume was at 0 it started to vibrate nonstop. No it's not a software problem
Why did I get a refund instead of a new desire? Mainly because of 2 reasons.
1. The phone is useless in the sun. I couldn't even see who is calling. Beautiful beautiful 100 billions colors oled screen turns into void. No really I'd rather buy a device with 256 colors if these colors were plainly visible in the sun. Additionally I used to read books and with the oled screen I had to read white on black because of the battery life and this is annoying.
2. Battery life is just not bearable. Yes I'm using internet and what's why I bought it! Every day I had to think about battery and this is really boring. I had to stop my last.fm radio because 20 percent left in the middle of the day.
There are other problems but these two are the most important to me
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Well, I had same problems for a first two days. Phone was perfect, only screen wasn't visible in the sun, and also battery was empty in 5 - 6 hours. But then I played a little with settings and installed a Brightness Profiles application for a screen. Now when Im inside I have 15% Brightness and when Im outside I get 80% brightness with one click. Now screen is very well seen outside, inside it saves a lot of battery and now battery (with additional settings + task manager) lasts 1.5 days with a lot of usage or 2 days with normal usage. I had a lot of phones, but this one is perfect IMO.
btw I've just found in the device spec
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Automatische Reduzierung der Klingeltonlautstärke, sobald das Handy in die Hand genommen wird
Because of this beautiful feature they got their treasure back. They have removed useful features from n1 (like trackball or active noise cancellation) and put useless ones into the desire. Way to go htc, way to go.
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Why did I returned my desire
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Why should anyone care?
flux said:
btw I've just found in the device spec
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Automatische Reduzierung der Klingeltonlautstärke, sobald das Handy in die Hand genommen wird
Because of this beautiful feature they got their treasure back. They have removed useful features from n1 (like trackball or active noise cancellation) and put useless ones into the desire. Way to go htc, way to go.
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another important thing. They also managed to remove charging stripes so it is only possible to charge it with an usb cable. Now think how long will last the miniusb connector if you connect/disconnect cable once per day.
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Why should anyone care?
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Hehe, let's not get mean here....
Here's what I don't get though: Why did you buy the Desire in the first place?
Certainly, you've read about the battery life. It's mentioned in every review.
And certainly, you knew about the charging contacts if you've seen pictures of the device.
Regarding the screen in direct sunlight, I don't get this argument. My last device that had decent sunlight legibility was my Compaq iPaq over 10 years ago when the screens were not backlit. I think the light came from the borders of the screen. Is there a single device available right now that provides comfortable outdoors viewing experience over long period of time?
It's almost like buying the Desire and then complaining that it doesn't have a hardware keyboard...
I read books on my Desire and I have a black screen with white text, not an issue for me. Should have got a decent app. Also re brightness, try turning the levels up if you are in a situation where you cant see the screen.
Battery gets better over a period of weeks, but like any device, if you use it smartly then the issue is minimised.
Also re the first comment......?
I think your post suggests you are not ready for a big boys toy and should invest in a pretend phone that flips up and makes sounds when you press the button so you can look cool to all your 7 year old friends at school. You will be pleased to know that you won't even have to splash out hundreds of pounds or be tied into a long contract with this option as the 99p shop often has a supply, if however 99p is too much, i'm sure you can sneak one into your pocket.
Oh and as a bonus, the screen will not be affected by sunlight! Awsome!
Also, if you would like lot's of unlimited free calls between you and your friends, open up your fridge, consume two yougharts and then attach some string to both ends of the cups and there you go! Free calls!
Now run back to the sandpit and leave the grown ups to have a mature discussion.
Good boy.
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@OP
Btw, if you consider the battery life of the Desire to be bad, consider yourself lucky that you didn't go for the Xperia X10. That's a smartphone that you seriously have to use as a dumbphone to get through the day.
I'm a heavy user, and my Desire is at about 15% by the end of the day. What are you doing that's draining 100% by the afternoon?
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If I stop my Exchange sync in business hours (every 15 minutes) then I'll lost power after 15 hours (7:00-22:00) which is acceptable and similar to your experience (I charge every night).
But with my Exchange sync ON (I need it!) it dies very quickly.
Omnia II with push exchange tend to loose about 40% of charge during business day (push email vs. 15 minutes checks). It was approximately 4-5 times better.
Desire is sooooooooo much better device/OS/software combination that I'd never like to go back, the only drawback is this battery draining.
No, I don't sync Flickr, No, my battery is not super-new (3 weeks already), 'Always on' is disabled
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This made me piss my pants!
Well said!
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This made me piss my pants!
Well said!
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I disagree, the first post of this thread may be useful for someone.
I remember skipping some devices myself based on their known issues and I'm glad someone warned others not to waste money and time on them (for instance GPS lags in HTC Touch Pro etc.).
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Hehe, let's not get mean here....
Here's what I don't get though: Why did you buy the Desire in the first place?
Certainly, you've read about the battery life. It's mentioned in every review.
And certainly, you knew about the charging contacts if you've seen pictures of the device.
Regarding the screen in direct sunlight, I don't get this argument. My last device that had decent sunlight legibility was my Compaq iPaq over 10 years ago when the screens were not backlit. I think the light came from the borders of the screen. Is there a single device available right now that provides comfortable outdoors viewing experience over long period of time?
It's almost like buying the Desire and then complaining that it doesn't have a hardware keyboard...
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fan boy detected.
I preordered the desire on 17 February yfi what reviews were available on that day?
And saying that one can get experience just reading about something is also stupid.
I don't get how some batteries seem so bad? I'm on 3 days and 14 hours since last plugged in. I did loads of surfing, some calls, about 30 photos, 20 texts, and I'm at 12% left. One thing is true, it took 2 or 3 weeks before battery got so good. Was terrible for first 3 or 4 cycles.
Hi devs,
since i've read that the amoled display needs no or nearly no battery for black, i've thought about how one could change colours of display.
A lot of us are reading newspaper articles, blogs, mails,... on our desire - so why not change colours to read white text on black background? That would change the battery life extremely!
For a first step it would be enough to invert the keyboard and "text input areas". Later maybe new colours in maps and market,...
After this http://jsharkey.org/ it's maybe only a matter of time and batterylife will be much more longer and every desire or nexus user can choose from a few themes (15%,30%,50%,75% less battery usage theme). The great devs of this forum will have much better ideas!
So what do you think about?
Sent from my HTC Desire
I read about this but if its real why HTC or Android dont know this?
Amoled is a highly sensitive technic dont know if it can handle so huge changes...
essentially the request is to re-skin the OSto predominantly black. doesn't seem much of a problem really for a dedicated artiste
This should be too easy U mean if i use Black Theme my Battery Life is Better?
In time i read it i knowed its true i had better Batter Life with Defrost 1.6 because i used Nextheme on it Now i usen the white Theme and Battery Life isnt as good as before ....
hmmm
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This should be too easy U mean if i use Black Theme my Battery Life is Better?
In time i read it i knowed its true i had better Batter Life with Defrost 1.6 because i used Nextheme on it Now i usen the white Theme and Battery Life isnt as good as before ....
hmmm
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I use DeFrost 1.8 with Black TaskBar mod.
I can promise you that you'll see a difference less than a 1% removing the back taskbar.
But, inverting webpages and other stuff would be a huge gain thou.
The red and green filters seem potentially the most useful to me - red, because they are (as proven in his tests) the lowest power diodes in an LED display, and the green because you genuinely get 800x480 in pure green, so text ought to be sharper/more readable.
I'm not sure if using the display with one of these filters on a regular basis would make a noticeable difference to the screen, causing the red or green pixels to fade before the others (although I suspect this would be an issue even when displaying a constant white as I seem to recall blue pixels on OLED displays have a much shorter life than the others?) - however, I'm not really certain whether fade or burn-in on an OLED display is really going to be a huge issue within the lifespan of the phone anyway....
Just like GPS status app in night mode, more apps should support "night mode".
Would be so cool if we can be able to control it with a switch to turn it on and off.
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Hi devs,
That would change the battery life extremely!
batterylife will be much more longer and every desire or nexus user can choose from a few themes (15%,30%,50%,75% less battery usage theme).
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This is about the biggest BS i've read in a long time. Out of all the things that consume power, 'Display' is about 10% (look at your battery usage stats, mine is at 7%). So, you want to go through all this hassle to save maybe 50% of 10%, so you win 5%? Even the non-scientific test had a gain of 6% battry per hour, but you would have to use the screen the whole hour to achieve this.
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This is about the biggest BS i've read in a long time. Out of all the things that consume power, 'Display' is about 10% (look at your battery usage stats, mine is at 7%). So, you want to go through all this hassle to save maybe 50% of 10%, so you win 5%? Even the non-scientific test had a gain of 6% battry per hour, but you would have to use the screen the whole hour to achieve this.
But wait a minute, i have a even better idea! Turn off the screen while playing music, and you'll never run out of battery! Ever!
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Yeah and you rely on the infos of android? When you update to FroYo, Display takes up to 50% of power...so...yeah, those numbers don't tell us anything.
But I would NEVER EVER change the display like THAT just to have better batterylife...that's a bit ridiculous imho.
It would be better if someone finds a way to calibrate the display properly.
I use the desire often for listening to music with gsm+wifi on. Make a simple test:
- music + gsm + wifi + display off/night screen and
- music + gsm + wifi + display on with light sensor and bright wallpaper
There will be a big difference not only 5-10%. When we could "only" save 15-25% it would be a big thing!
Very good idea to make colour themes similar to gps status app btw!
Think about chatting on icq or sms with girlfriend,... with green/red/blue... text on black background, would be make a difference
If this could stop my battery from draining - why not?
Sent from my HTC Desire
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Yeah and you rely on the infos of android? When you update to FroYo, Display takes up to 50% of power...so...yeah, those numbers don't tell us anything.
But I would NEVER EVER change the display like THAT just to have better batterylife...that's a bit ridiculous imho.
It would be better if someone finds a way to calibrate the display properly.
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50%?
LOL. Mine takes up about 5-10%. Don't know what you've got runnin' on yours.
My Froyo is dark as it is. Maybe I could squeeze another 1-2% battery time by making all icons darker, but whats the fun in that?
As I said previously. Being able to invert websites from black on white, to white on black would be one of the worthwhile things. Or invert apps that have a light theme. Don't have any of those myself thou.
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50%?
LOL. Mine takes up about 5-10%. Don't know what you've got runnin' on yours.
My Froyo is dark as it is. Maybe I could squeeze another 1-2% battery time by making all icons darker, but whats the fun in that?
As I said previously. Being able to invert websites from black on white, to white on black would be one of the worthwhile things. Or invert apps that have a light theme. Don't have any of those myself thou.
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Read in the different threads, most people report 40%< with FroYo.
What I wanna say: the info you get from those percentages is useless. The display takes (of course it depends how much you use your phone) MUCH more than 5% when it's on.
Just test it. You can enable the option in Settings -> Applications -> Dev. Leave your phone 1 hour with enabled display and after that 1 hour with disabled. 5% my ass...
Hopefully the modification made on the following link will be possible for the Desire as well...
http://jsharkey.org/blog/2010/07/01/android-surfaceflinger-tricks-for-fun-and-profit/
why don't you remove your display from your desire? so it would consume no power...
I've changed my background to a dark one and installed Handcent app to get black background while reading and messing with text messages and I must admit that I get at least 4 hours of more juice from my battery. Usually it lasted 24-28 hours. I get more 4 hours on average now.
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* DeFrost 1.7c / black taskbar mod.
* Unneeded tasks killed
* Waited for 5 min for essential software to refresh.
* 100% charged before test.
Battery usage/average based on SysFS battery output: lowest to highest
Code:
Screen off (standby): 117mA
Screen home screen / brightness off: 172 mA
Screen home screen / brightness med: 196 mA
Screen home screen / brightness full: 232 mA
Normal usage, auto brightness: 200-240mA
Screen 100% red: 244 mA
Screen 100% green: 302 mA
Screen brightness off / CPU 100% load: 305 mA
Screen 100% blue: 354 mA
Screen 100% white: 476 mA
My phone lasts about 3 days depending on usage (65-75 hrs).
My Display usage (according to menu) usually is on the range of 2-5%
Normal battery drain in the range of 175-250mA at average brightness and usage.
Making it darker than I already have, maybe I could squeeze out 25mA (50mA feels impossible).
I would guesstimate I could gain another 30-60min, if I'm very lucky.
Seems to me you'd have to use a monochrome dark red theme for the least power drawn.
Actually sounds rather cool
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WhiT3Kr0w said:
I've changed my background to a dark one and installed Handcent app to get black background while reading and messing with text messages and I must admit that I get at least 4 hours of more juice from my battery. Usually it lasted 24-28 hours. I get more 4 hours on average now.
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considering your average usage varies 4 hours each lifespan (24-28 hours as you claim), how can you say you get 4 more hours usage?
where's the logic in that lol?
(lol, I totally agree with you the darker colors use more power, hence saving battery - I just had to point this out lol)
troedi said:
why don't you remove your display from your desire? so it would consume no power...
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Because then i wouldn't be able to watch Hannah montana
WhiT3Kr0w said:
I've changed my background to a dark one and installed Handcent app to get black background while reading and messing with text messages and I must admit that I get at least 4 hours of more juice from my battery. Usually it lasted 24-28 hours. I get more 4 hours on average now.
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Thanks a lot! Will install handcent app now. I do have a plain black background (black dot as jpg) and think I have around 2h more at least, but to be sure I'll have to test it.
It's really frustrating if you come from a 5-7 day magic/mt3g to a 7-12h desire. Maybe I should root only for a battery reset
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A very simple quick question : Is the battery life of the Desire HD better or worse than the original Desire? (because right now the only thing that is between getting the DHD or the Desire is the battery life issue) I am much satisfied how the old Desire performs in batterywise (by reading the forums and reviews) but all the bad comments of the DHD dreads me to make the deal.
Have anyone used (or better owned) both devices and know any differences of these 2 devices with same level of usage? Can actually the improvement of the CPU compensate the drain due to the screen?
Some facts I expect from the device:
1. Dont need hourly updating with twitter fb etc or regular sense Sync. (once or twice a day is more than enough)
2. Looking forward to have a fairly moderate use of the screen for browsing ebooks etc.
3. Not heavy on making long calls.
4. Dont want to use spare batteries and nowhere to charge during the day after leaving home. So it MUST last 24hrs.
PLEASE share your experience, or I m afraid I might endup with the wrong phone for the next 2 years! Thank you all for your valuable comments....
XartzMAX said:
A very simple quick question : Is the battery life of the Desire HD better or worse than the original Desire? (because right now the only thing that is between getting the DHD or the Desire is the battery life issue) I am much satisfied how the old Desire performs in batterywise (by reading the forums and reviews) but all the bad comments of the DHD dreads me to make the deal.
Have anyone used (or better owned) both devices and know any differences of these 2 devices with same level of usage? Can actually the improvement of the CPU compensate the drain due to the screen?
Some facts I expect from the device:
1. Dont need hourly updating with twitter fb etc or regular sense Sync. (once or twice a day is more than enough)
2. Looking forward to have a fairly moderate use of the screen for browsing ebooks etc.
3. Not heavy on making long calls.
4. Dont want to use spare batteries and nowhere to charge during the day after leaving home. So it MUST last 24hrs.
PLEASE share your experience, or I m afraid I might endup with the wrong phone for the next 2 years! Thank you all for your valuable comments....
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Roughly the same battery life for me.
Cheers from my DHD.
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Roughly the same battery life for me.
Cheers from my DHD.
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@junta_mpb Thanks for the instant reply. So I ll take that DHD can last the day by my usage pattern right?
Ok now Much more convinced to make the deal with DHD .
So I presume the battery killer about the DHD is the screen. And for a day that I might need more juice till late, I spare the screen usage and be ok right? I also saw that the 2G can go upto 9+hrs! So it seems calling may not have a big impact.
Just curious how much do you think it will last, if I got a DHD, with my usage pattern, with additional 30mins gaming a day? Thanks a lot for the replies.
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@junta_mpb Thanks for the instant reply. So I ll take that DHD can last the day by my usage pattern right?
Ok now Much more convinced to make the deal with DHD .
So I presume the battery killer about the DHD is the screen. And for a day that I might need more juice till late, I spare the screen usage and be ok right? I also saw that the 2G can go upto 9+hrs! So it seems calling may not have a big impact.
Just curious how much do you think it will last, if I got a DHD, with my usage pattern, with additional 30mins gaming a day? Thanks a lot for the replies.
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Text and calls don't seem to affect usage a lot. Based on what you wrote, I would say reading your books will eat the most out of your battery. I'm going out on a limb here and will say you should easily get more than 14 hours with heavy usage/e book reading. By heavy I mean more than 3 hours screen time.
3g is the biggest drain of the battery, in my experience and even with it on, I still get more than 14 hours with lots of surfing with around 3 hours screen time.
Standby drain with hourly sync takes 1% per hour.
Cheers from my DHD.
My battery is better than normal desire. I can actually playing most of the day with it and still have some juice left till I plug it in....
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@junta_mpb an @MattSkeet Many thanks again. Getting a solid picture now
Just another quick question, do you keep the syncing, email and social network updates, to frequent checking (for ex 1 hr basis) and use GPS daily?
And how much "screen time" roughly do you get until the battery level gets critical?
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Text and calls don't seem to affect usage a lot. Based on what you wrote, I would say reading your books will eat the most out of your battery. I'm going out on a limb here and will say you should easily get more than 14 hours with heavy usage/e book reading. By heavy I mean more than 3 hours screen time.
3g is the biggest drain of the battery, in my experience and even with it on, I still get more than 14 hours with lots of surfing with around 3 hours screen time.
Standby drain with hourly sync takes 1% per hour.
Cheers from my DHD.
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I forgot to mention, all the time quotes are when the phone reaches 30%. You can actually get more out of it if you push it further.
Cheers from my DHD.
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@junta_mpb an @MattSkeet Many thanks again. Getting a solid picture now
Just another quick question, do you keep the syncing, email and social network updates, to frequent checking (for ex 1 hr basis) and use GPS daily?
And how much "screen time" roughly do you get until the battery level gets critical?
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Mine is set to hourly sync. Screen time is typically around 3+ hours.
Again, this usage gets me to 30%. I usually change then.
Cheers from my DHD.
I am fortunate enough to have both devices. I see myself as an average user and I easily get through a day with my dhd, 24hrs plus.
The battery life on my desire is abit better but not by much as I always plug it in every night in anycase.
I have Facebook, emails sync every hour, WiFi on the whole time, 30 to 40 mins of gaming, and listening to some music when I'm bored, 10 to 15 min on the web, atleast 4 calls made or received and texting the whole time. This is average usage for me, so I think you should be fine.
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PC Pro put the DHD at the bottom in its battery tests, lower than the Desire. But in the alternate universe inhabited by some people in this forum, I'm sure the Desire is better.
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PC Pro put the DHD at the bottom in its battery tests, lower than the Desire. But in the alternate universe inhabited by some people in this forum, I'm sure the Desire is better.
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@bobbyelliott maybe functions that didnt much affect the battery of the Desire (screen usage I presume) due to AMOLED, have greater effect on the DHD, and vice versa?
But getting mixed reviews is confusing. Shame that I dont know anyone with a DHD to check hands-on. And the battery needs some time to adjust, as I ve seen in this forum posts, and they had done the battery test straight out of the box I think?
Anyway I m still leaning towards the DHD for its big screen. But I dont see a point buying such a powerhouse with so much underpowered battery.
Maybe should I wait and see if something like Thunderbolt gets available for sim-free?
had Desire for 6 months and am a DHD user for less than 3 weeks now..
battery life is very similar, maybe slightly better on Desire..
am a light user; 5-10 sms per day, a call or two, sync only gmail & weather (every 2 hrs).. some web surfing (30 minutes) and installing/uninstalling of apps..
with above usage i charge battery every 2 days
I can't compare with the Desire (I'm comming from a Touch HD - the greatest phone of it's time ), but I can easyly get through the day with one charge. Obviously the screen is the biggest drain, so if you need the battery to last more, you have to limit your "screen time" and I keep my brightness set to auto. Due to the nature of my job, I make a lot of calls (maybe 40-50 mins a day), browsing+XDA ~40 mins a day, ebooks for about 30 mins (screen brightnes set to minimum for that), and when I have to use GPS (very rarely), I always charge the phone during that time, because I use GPS only while driving. Also I'm almost always on 3G, wifi and bluetooth always on. I don't use facebook or twitter, but I sync the news feeds, weather, POP3 mail, gmail is set to push, sense is also syncing... and I think that's about everything worth mentioning.
I rarely play games though, so this might bring the battery down if you do, but I think you can still get through the day (actually that's 16 not 24 hours - you have to sleep sometime ). Also if you have a "battery heavy" day, you can always put some juice in the phone while driving home after work.
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@junta_mpb an @MattSkeet Many thanks again. Getting a solid picture now
Just another quick question, do you keep the syncing, email and social network updates, to frequent checking (for ex 1 hr basis) and use GPS daily?
And how much "screen time" roughly do you get until the battery level gets critical?
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Here is roughly my day.
Wake up at 6am phone off the charger walk to work and play on it for about 15min.
During work I play (same games some internet some engadget ) here and there for about 10min plus 30+ on my break so all together will be more than 1,5hrs finish work at 4pm and my battery is at about 60-70% get back home surf the net for half hour and turn on hotspot (don't have proper internet at home) this itself drains a lot of battery but if I don't use hotspot and play with the phone instead I manage to get till about 5 5,30 till phone battery goes down to 20% and this is very heavy usage. Had days (Fridays ;p) where after work I didn't use the phone much just few text and it lasted me till next day with about 15% left.
Things is I don't call much. I have 900min and this month used only 100 (lol)
My updates are every 3hrs, push for gmail (i have one account for my regular emails and one just to store contacts without any crappy email addresses) gmail used as exchange account.
Screen on 23% brightness.
Lately battery is draining fast because I've installed whatsapp as my miss is abroad so we save some pennies
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[SOLVED] Final Decision : Going with the Original Desire!
I was doing some more research, and Decided to buy the 'Old' Desire
And Thank you all for your contribution with experiences and thoughts, guys trust me it did help eventhough I didnt go for the DHD !
So for everyone I m gonna breakdown the reasons for my decision. (at least on the paper Desire outscored the DHD)
Battery Life
A huge factor if not the critical. I found that Desire has better Battery life than DHD, in comments I found Desire "Only lasts a day\ have to recharge everyday" etc and with DHD I found "Battery life is abysmal dont last the day\ have to plug in for midday charge" etc, but I know some of you guys anyway manage to keep the juice to last the day, anyway Desire 1 point...
Quadrant Score
http://smartphonebenchmarks.com/ (with 1GHz ranking) WOW this is INCREDIBLE ! Desire outsmarted the DHD came up with 3rd in benchmark with 1. Samsung Epic 4G 2. Samsung Galaxy S 3. LG Optimus 2X (dual core anyway) so its actually second place considering both first two are identical. (now who says Desire is not for gaming???)
Techradar No. 1 phone of all times
with DHD on the 3rd place http://www.techradar.com/news/phone...e-phones-in-the-world-today-645440?artc_pg=21
Pixel Density
Not a big point but anyway a point for desire.
Looks
DHD looks minimalistic on the face and Desire looks good too. And the physical Buttons on Desire... (are they better than the capacitive counterparts?)
Design
I dont like the patchy design of the DHD to be honest. Looks less durable and what about the gap between the bottom door? Cant put a custom cover to get bigger battery even. And the kickstand is utterly useless for many if used with a casing which is mostly the case. And the camera protruding out is menacing and accident prone.
Size and Weight
164g Vs 135g big deal. Pocketability issues, bulge, and for the long hours at the University it's gonna cost me some uncomfortable time.
Camera
Desire's cam is not the best, washed off colors etc.. but is the cam on the DHD fantastic? Nope, focus errors, too much sharpening etc. But HD footage is really cool. Not a big improvement worth considering I think.
DHD issues
Reception issues, (death grip?) , Sometimes lagging (occational 100% CPU usage, saw in a thread in XDA) Desire's problems were ironed out mostly I guess with the hardware revisions. No more overheat etc....
Loudness
Desire is louder than DHD http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_desire-review-468p8.php and http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_desire_... my Desire. Any more comments are welcome. :D
Just one more thing to add, I think the DHD is an overkill. They've got the same snappy so the apps should run at the same speed. And android doesnt have too many 3D games (yet) and I think Desire will do fine until at least the end of this year. Then the dual core phone will go mainstream and prices will fall. So even with the Adreno 205 I dont think DHD is leaps and bounds ahead of the Desire in technology aspect. (buy anyway we can port the DHD rom to desire !!)
Cheers.
XartzMAX said:
Just one more thing to add, I think the DHD is an overkill. They've got the same snappy so the apps should run at the same speed. And android doesnt have too many 3D games (yet) and I think Desire will do fine until at least the end of this year. Then the dual core phone will go mainstream and prices will fall. So even with the Adreno 205 I dont think DHD is leaps and bounds ahead of the Desire in technology aspect. (buy anyway we can port the DHD rom to desire !!)
Cheers.
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It's not the same snappy. Desire hd has the second generation version which uses less power and overclocks better.
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Someone Swyped my idea.
Near 2 months of using DHD. Battery life is improving.
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This review shows the DHD battery lasts longer:
http://www.fastbutter.com/Article/227/HTC-In-Depth-Review--HTC-Desire-HD
"Despite Desire HD has a battery of 1230 mAh it sweep the carpet with its older sibling Desire with its 1400 mAh battery. When Desire goes out after almost exactly five hours Desire HD still have 19% battery left and rolls on for one hour and two minutes more- despite the smaller battery."
I guess the people with battery problems are having the cpu draining /init bug.
Hi ppl,
probably all of you already noticed this trick.
Just in case you didn't... here it is.
On 2nd charge, I could see battery charge graph going down with no stop, even with screen off !
So, I installed BetterBatteryStats (XDA).
Battery killer was HTC Weather.
Guess what ?
On a freshly, just bought HTC One X, Sense refreshes, hourly
Your weather's location (so also GPS eating battery, but it's perhaps acceptable)
Weather from the most important cities in your country (Italy = 15 more or less) !!!!
Once removed all those static defined cities, leaving just the "where I am" and 1 static, HTC Weater became tamed and sane.
And my battery graph on screen off is now FLAT. With Wifi and data on.
I'll not get more scientific here.
The issue is very subtle and unsuspicious; the trick is very easy; the benefits are TREMENDOUS.
I also made refresh interval up to 3 hours. It should help too.
Still, the terrific impact was given by removing those 15 static locations.
I also left enabled the "refresh when opening weather" flag.
Happy trying !
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Hi ppl,
probably all of you already noticed this trick.
Just in case you didn't... here it is.
On 2nd charge, I could see battery charge graph going down with no stop, even with screen off !
So, I installed BetterBatteryStats (XDA).
Battery killer was HTC Weather.
Guess what ?
On a freshly, just bought HTC One X, Sense refreshes, hourly
Your weather's location (so also GPS eating battery)
Weather from the most important cities in your country (Italy = 15 more or less) !!!!
Once removed all those static defined cities, leaving just the "where I am" and 1 static, HTC Weater became tamed and sane.
And my battery graph on screen off is now FLAT. With Wifi and data on.
I'll not get more scientific here.
The issue is very subtle and unsuspicious; the trick is very easy; the benefits are TREMENDOUS.
Happy trying !
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I did this on my Rom (charmander) just has your location and that's it. Always done this on my personal roms also but never thought of it so save battery lol.
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It has dramatic battery usage.
Then, I also made refresh interval up to 3 hours. It may help too.
Still, the terrific impact was given by removing those 15 static locations.
First thing I've done since my Desire is remove everything except 'My current location'...I don't need to know the weather anywhere else!
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First thing I've done since my Desire is remove everything except 'My current location'...I don't need to know the weather anywhere else!
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Couldnt agree more. Who cares about weather somewhere else!
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Who cares about inaccurate accuweather info anyway, it's terrible. The only thing it's good for is telling me what it's like now (I have known that to be wrong too). I've got these amazing glass panels in my walls so I can see what the weather is like now. I just don't use it so I turn weather sync off.
I only wish there was an option to change where the weather data comes from like in so many other apps/widgets. MeteoGroup, for example, seems much better.
Same here and ive hit 3 days and 3.5 hours of.screen time.before now.
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Actually I can understand that 1-2 static places could be handy, while planning a trip on a sudden.
But... 15 static places (can't imagine how many they were in bigger countries !!) is just a plain overkill, a complete suicide by HTC.
About accuracy... it seems precise enough here in Italy. Surely it's different as per country.
Please could you take screenshots of your screen on time and battery usage page also what brightness your using. I have a One X resting in the box because it simply can't make it through a working day. My Nokia N8 with the same type of usage. GPS,Weather,whatsapp,calls,web. Is full to almost full by 5pm. Mind you this is with 3G turned off.
Now I'm not expecting the one X to be anywhere near that good but if this would mean the phone lasts me an entire day of normal smartphone usage then I might just dust it off xD.
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Please could you take screenshots of your screen on time and battery usage page also what brightness your using. I have a One X resting in the box because it simply can't make it through a working day. My Nokia N8 with the same type of usage. GPS,Weather,whatsapp,calls,web. Is full to almost full by 5pm. Mind you this is with 3G turned off.
Now I'm not expecting the one X to be anywhere near that good but if this would mean the phone lasts me an entire day of normal smartphone usage then I might just dust it off xD.
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Check the battery stats thread.
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Hmm, seems quite decent. You have some amazing on screen time. I could barely manage 3hrs with auto brightness. Did you notice this increase after removing the other city locations?
What were your stats before removing the extra weather app cities?
I would actually love to know the OP's stats. He says its "TREMENDOUS"
i have not even touched the settings to weather and mine (based in london dunno if makes difference) only shows my current location and refresh every 6 hours or upon open that was my default settings
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Please could you take screenshots of your screen on time and battery usage page also what brightness your using. I have a One X resting in the box because it simply can't make it through a working day. My Nokia N8 with the same type of usage. GPS,Weather,whatsapp,calls,web. Is full to almost full by 5pm. Mind you this is with 3G turned off.
Now I'm not expecting the one X to be anywhere near that good but if this would mean the phone lasts me an entire day of normal smartphone usage then I might just dust it off xD.
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Yup, not really going to take screenshots today
I'd say to you that today I noticed
- phone unplugged at 9.45
- 18.30 (so nearly 9 hours later) I had 3hrs screen on time - intense usage due to SSLauncher setting up - and still 40% battery left.
3G on all the time, a couple of calls, many market downloads.
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Hmm, seems quite decent. You have some amazing on screen time. I could barely manage 3hrs with auto brightness. Did you notice this increase after removing the other city locations?
What were your stats before removing the extra weather app cities?
I would actually love to know the OP's stats. He says its "TREMENDOUS"
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Before the Weather static positions cleanup: 2 hours screen on, battery empty.
After the cleanup: 3+ hours and still 25-30% battery to go.
As I stated in 1st post, I won't go much scientific, other threads are already there with much more data and insight...
yet, the improvement looks TREMENDOUS *thunder* *evil laugh* to me
Back to my phone... 1% battery left
I see:
12h 7min unplugged
4h 49 screen on time
all time with 3G on, all sync (Facebook, Linkedin) on, intense usage due to device setting up (SSLauncher, maps regions pre-download, Flipboard sync and a lot more)
Won't go more scientific than this
Awesome guys, just put the phone on charge, lets see how it goes tomorrow Maybe I'll finally fall in love with my One X
So I took it of the charger @ 6am today. It is now 5pm and normally the battery would be dead by now. At the moment it is @ 43%.
My brightness is set to auto and the phone tells me my on screen time is only 53mins. You guys are talking about something like 4hrs on screen with this fix. So I don't think it has improved much.
However I'm sure that my battery stats are off because it tells me it's only been off the charger for 4hrs. So I can put up actual stats tomorrow, if it resets properly tonight.
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So I took it of the charger @ 6am today. It is now 5pm and normally the battery would be dead by now. At the moment it is @ 43%.
My brightness is set to auto and the phone tells me my on screen time is only 53mins. You guys are talking about something like 4hrs on screen with this fix. So I don't think it has improved much.
However I'm sure that my battery stats are off because it tells me it's only been off the charger for 4hrs. So I can put up actual stats tomorrow, if it resets properly tonight.
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I noticed that if you reboot the phone, every counter (unplugged time, screen on time) resets, f*cking up measurements.
Could it possibly be your case ?
Damn, I'm going too scientific