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Why did I returned my desire

because it had some strange hardware problem when the volume was decreased to mute on its own as if were pressing minus constantly and when the volume was at 0 it started to vibrate nonstop. No it's not a software problem
Why did I get a refund instead of a new desire? Mainly because of 2 reasons.
1. The phone is useless in the sun. I couldn't even see who is calling. Beautiful beautiful 100 billions colors oled screen turns into void. No really I'd rather buy a device with 256 colors if these colors were plainly visible in the sun. Additionally I used to read books and with the oled screen I had to read white on black because of the battery life and this is annoying.
2. Battery life is just not bearable. Yes I'm using internet and what's why I bought it! Every day I had to think about battery and this is really boring. I had to stop my last.fm radio because 20 percent left in the middle of the day.
There are other problems but these two are the most important to me

It's a phone.

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It's a phone.
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Made me chuckle

flux said:
because it had some strange hardware problem when the volume was decreased to mute on its own as if were pressing minus constantly and when the volume was at 0 it started to vibrate nonstop. No it's not a software problem
Why did I get a refund instead of a new desire? Mainly because of 2 reasons.
1. The phone is useless in the sun. I couldn't even see who is calling. Beautiful beautiful 100 billions colors oled screen turns into void. No really I'd rather buy a device with 256 colors if these colors were plainly visible in the sun. Additionally I used to read books and with the oled screen I had to read white on black because of the battery life and this is annoying.
2. Battery life is just not bearable. Yes I'm using internet and what's why I bought it! Every day I had to think about battery and this is really boring. I had to stop my last.fm radio because 20 percent left in the middle of the day.
There are other problems but these two are the most important to me
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1. having auto brightness on ive never had any problems wit the screen
2. at the end of the day its a phone, not a notebook, so if ur using it just for the internet then u should exchange it for a notebook, cuz no phone ever made would last any longer if u were using internet for couple hours
normally when im at half hour break the phone uses about 10% of the battery using internet and listening to music, in general phone lasts a day or a day and a half, and im happy with it.

1. Use auto brightness OR put brightness control app shortcut which you can change brightness quickly.
My setting:
brightness at 10% (LOW, for indoor)
brightness at 40% (NORMAL)
brightness at 70% (HIGH)
I always use LOW and my eyes is pretty happy with that.
2. With correct settings you can have up to 2 days with medium - high usage.

flux said:
2. Battery life is just not bearable. Yes I'm using internet and what's why I bought it! Every day I had to think about battery and this is really boring. I had to stop my last.fm radio because 20 percent left in the middle of the day.
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Battery life is a joke on this device, I consider returning it too because of this.
I don't want to read any explanation and advices to use it as dumb phone!!!
My Omnia II could last 2 days with heavy usage pattern, this device dies in the middle of the day!!!

gogol said:
1. Use auto brightness OR put brightness control app shortcut which you can change brightness quickly.
My setting:
brightness at 10% (LOW, for indoor)
brightness at 40% (NORMAL)
brightness at 70% (HIGH)
I always use LOW and my eyes is pretty happy with that.
2. With correct settings you can have up to 2 days with medium - high usage.
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what's what I'm talking about. You have to think about your your power settings all the time. You have to stop this, screw that, get used with your eyes and so on.
NO this is not just a phone. If I wanted a phone I'd be still using my old siemens that works for weeks with no recharge.
But I'm not going to start a flame with fan boys. You like it - go for it. But don't tell me nobody warned you if you're about to buy it.
btw analog audio quality is also bad. You can hear periodic noise pattern.

@OP
Judging from your couple of posts here since joining, it's clear that the Desire has not impressed you. Hope you're able to find another device that's capable for your needs.
rdy2go said:
Battery life is a joke on this device, I consider returning it too because of this.
I don't want to read any explanation and advices to use it as dumb phone!!!
My Omnia II could last 2 days with heavy usage pattern, this device dies in the middle of the day!!!
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People need to relax with slamming the device because of battery life. There are several reasons your battery life may be terrible.
1. Your battery is not yet optimally conditioned yet. Cycle it through charges for several weeks and it'll improve significantly.
2. Your device is new so you naturally play with it all the time for absolutely no reason. That kills your battery life too.
Nobody would suggest you use this smartphone as a dumbphone. But do you really need Twitter, Friendstream, Weather, News, and Stocks widgets to all be active on your homescreen and autoupdating every hour? Is Google Maps Latitude really necessary? Does GPS and WIFI have to be constantly on? Is 100% brightness really necessary when auto-brightness looks just fine?
Take a more conservative approach to widgets and auto-updating and that will go a long way.
Btw, if you consider the battery life of the Desire to be bad, consider yourself lucky that you didn't go for the Xperia X10. That's a smartphone that you seriously have to use as a dumbphone to get through the day.
I'm a heavy user, and my Desire is at about 15% by the end of the day. What are you doing that's draining 100% by the afternoon?

Sorry to hear you had such a bad experience with the Desire.
Battery life imho is about the same as my Hero or Diamond or Omnia.
They all last a day with heavy usage. And when you leave the phone alone it will last two days.
Especially when using a lot of services that constantly use the internet. Those things use loads of power.
As for the sun, I use a anti glare protector now and that works great. I don't find the Desire extra hard to read outside when compared to the other phones I had. They all reflected so much in direct sunlight, they were all unusable. Without the anti glare that is, but anti glare us at the cost of quality.
Anyway, perhaps its best for you to wait. Wait for a phone with super amoled screen, bigger battery and more efficient chip.
But battery life is a common problem with electronics these days. Smartphones, laptops, netbooks and tablets all are build around the battery. A constant tradeoff between battery and power consumption. Endurance or performance.
Until we see some new battery technologies arise the battery will always be the weak part. Perhaps that super fast charging new Toshiba battery might find it's way into phones soon. At least charging it will be super fast
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flux said:
because it had some strange hardware problem when the volume was decreased to mute on its own as if were pressing minus constantly and when the volume was at 0 it started to vibrate nonstop. No it's not a software problem
Why did I get a refund instead of a new desire? Mainly because of 2 reasons.
1. The phone is useless in the sun. I couldn't even see who is calling. Beautiful beautiful 100 billions colors oled screen turns into void. No really I'd rather buy a device with 256 colors if these colors were plainly visible in the sun. Additionally I used to read books and with the oled screen I had to read white on black because of the battery life and this is annoying.
2. Battery life is just not bearable. Yes I'm using internet and what's why I bought it! Every day I had to think about battery and this is really boring. I had to stop my last.fm radio because 20 percent left in the middle of the day.
There are other problems but these two are the most important to me
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Well, I had same problems for a first two days. Phone was perfect, only screen wasn't visible in the sun, and also battery was empty in 5 - 6 hours. But then I played a little with settings and installed a Brightness Profiles application for a screen. Now when Im inside I have 15% Brightness and when Im outside I get 80% brightness with one click. Now screen is very well seen outside, inside it saves a lot of battery and now battery (with additional settings + task manager) lasts 1.5 days with a lot of usage or 2 days with normal usage. I had a lot of phones, but this one is perfect IMO.

btw I've just found in the device spec
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Automatische Reduzierung der Klingeltonlautstärke, sobald das Handy in die Hand genommen wird
Because of this beautiful feature they got their treasure back. They have removed useful features from n1 (like trackball or active noise cancellation) and put useless ones into the desire. Way to go htc, way to go.

flux said:
Why did I returned my desire
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Why should anyone care?

flux said:
btw I've just found in the device spec
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Automatische Reduzierung der Klingeltonlautstärke, sobald das Handy in die Hand genommen wird
Because of this beautiful feature they got their treasure back. They have removed useful features from n1 (like trackball or active noise cancellation) and put useless ones into the desire. Way to go htc, way to go.
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another important thing. They also managed to remove charging stripes so it is only possible to charge it with an usb cable. Now think how long will last the miniusb connector if you connect/disconnect cable once per day.

stingerpl said:
Why should anyone care?
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Hehe, let's not get mean here....
Here's what I don't get though: Why did you buy the Desire in the first place?
Certainly, you've read about the battery life. It's mentioned in every review.
And certainly, you knew about the charging contacts if you've seen pictures of the device.
Regarding the screen in direct sunlight, I don't get this argument. My last device that had decent sunlight legibility was my Compaq iPaq over 10 years ago when the screens were not backlit. I think the light came from the borders of the screen. Is there a single device available right now that provides comfortable outdoors viewing experience over long period of time?
It's almost like buying the Desire and then complaining that it doesn't have a hardware keyboard...

I read books on my Desire and I have a black screen with white text, not an issue for me. Should have got a decent app. Also re brightness, try turning the levels up if you are in a situation where you cant see the screen.
Battery gets better over a period of weeks, but like any device, if you use it smartly then the issue is minimised.
Also re the first comment......?
I think your post suggests you are not ready for a big boys toy and should invest in a pretend phone that flips up and makes sounds when you press the button so you can look cool to all your 7 year old friends at school. You will be pleased to know that you won't even have to splash out hundreds of pounds or be tied into a long contract with this option as the 99p shop often has a supply, if however 99p is too much, i'm sure you can sneak one into your pocket.
Oh and as a bonus, the screen will not be affected by sunlight! Awsome!
Also, if you would like lot's of unlimited free calls between you and your friends, open up your fridge, consume two yougharts and then attach some string to both ends of the cups and there you go! Free calls!
Now run back to the sandpit and leave the grown ups to have a mature discussion.
Good boy.

ohyeahar said:
@OP
Btw, if you consider the battery life of the Desire to be bad, consider yourself lucky that you didn't go for the Xperia X10. That's a smartphone that you seriously have to use as a dumbphone to get through the day.
I'm a heavy user, and my Desire is at about 15% by the end of the day. What are you doing that's draining 100% by the afternoon?
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If I stop my Exchange sync in business hours (every 15 minutes) then I'll lost power after 15 hours (7:00-22:00) which is acceptable and similar to your experience (I charge every night).
But with my Exchange sync ON (I need it!) it dies very quickly.
Omnia II with push exchange tend to loose about 40% of charge during business day (push email vs. 15 minutes checks). It was approximately 4-5 times better.
Desire is sooooooooo much better device/OS/software combination that I'd never like to go back, the only drawback is this battery draining.
No, I don't sync Flickr, No, my battery is not super-new (3 weeks already), 'Always on' is disabled

Re:Choccy 31's post
This made me piss my pants!
Well said!

pergolesi said:
This made me piss my pants!
Well said!
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I disagree, the first post of this thread may be useful for someone.
I remember skipping some devices myself based on their known issues and I'm glad someone warned others not to waste money and time on them (for instance GPS lags in HTC Touch Pro etc.).

ohyeahar said:
Hehe, let's not get mean here....
Here's what I don't get though: Why did you buy the Desire in the first place?
Certainly, you've read about the battery life. It's mentioned in every review.
And certainly, you knew about the charging contacts if you've seen pictures of the device.
Regarding the screen in direct sunlight, I don't get this argument. My last device that had decent sunlight legibility was my Compaq iPaq over 10 years ago when the screens were not backlit. I think the light came from the borders of the screen. Is there a single device available right now that provides comfortable outdoors viewing experience over long period of time?
It's almost like buying the Desire and then complaining that it doesn't have a hardware keyboard...
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fan boy detected.
I preordered the desire on 17 February yfi what reviews were available on that day?
And saying that one can get experience just reading about something is also stupid.

I don't get how some batteries seem so bad? I'm on 3 days and 14 hours since last plugged in. I did loads of surfing, some calls, about 30 photos, 20 texts, and I'm at 12% left. One thing is true, it took 2 or 3 weeks before battery got so good. Was terrible for first 3 or 4 cycles.

[Q] HTC Desire vs. Desire HD Battery Life.

A very simple quick question : Is the battery life of the Desire HD better or worse than the original Desire? (because right now the only thing that is between getting the DHD or the Desire is the battery life issue) I am much satisfied how the old Desire performs in batterywise (by reading the forums and reviews) but all the bad comments of the DHD dreads me to make the deal.
Have anyone used (or better owned) both devices and know any differences of these 2 devices with same level of usage? Can actually the improvement of the CPU compensate the drain due to the screen?
Some facts I expect from the device:
1. Dont need hourly updating with twitter fb etc or regular sense Sync. (once or twice a day is more than enough)
2. Looking forward to have a fairly moderate use of the screen for browsing ebooks etc.
3. Not heavy on making long calls.
4. Dont want to use spare batteries and nowhere to charge during the day after leaving home. So it MUST last 24hrs.
PLEASE share your experience, or I m afraid I might endup with the wrong phone for the next 2 years! Thank you all for your valuable comments....

XartzMAX said:
A very simple quick question : Is the battery life of the Desire HD better or worse than the original Desire? (because right now the only thing that is between getting the DHD or the Desire is the battery life issue) I am much satisfied how the old Desire performs in batterywise (by reading the forums and reviews) but all the bad comments of the DHD dreads me to make the deal.
Have anyone used (or better owned) both devices and know any differences of these 2 devices with same level of usage? Can actually the improvement of the CPU compensate the drain due to the screen?
Some facts I expect from the device:
1. Dont need hourly updating with twitter fb etc or regular sense Sync. (once or twice a day is more than enough)
2. Looking forward to have a fairly moderate use of the screen for browsing ebooks etc.
3. Not heavy on making long calls.
4. Dont want to use spare batteries and nowhere to charge during the day after leaving home. So it MUST last 24hrs.
PLEASE share your experience, or I m afraid I might endup with the wrong phone for the next 2 years! Thank you all for your valuable comments....
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Roughly the same battery life for me.
Cheers from my DHD.

junta_mpb said:
Roughly the same battery life for me.
Cheers from my DHD.
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@junta_mpb Thanks for the instant reply. So I ll take that DHD can last the day by my usage pattern right?
Ok now Much more convinced to make the deal with DHD .
So I presume the battery killer about the DHD is the screen. And for a day that I might need more juice till late, I spare the screen usage and be ok right? I also saw that the 2G can go upto 9+hrs! So it seems calling may not have a big impact.
Just curious how much do you think it will last, if I got a DHD, with my usage pattern, with additional 30mins gaming a day? Thanks a lot for the replies.

XartzMAX said:
@junta_mpb Thanks for the instant reply. So I ll take that DHD can last the day by my usage pattern right?
Ok now Much more convinced to make the deal with DHD .
So I presume the battery killer about the DHD is the screen. And for a day that I might need more juice till late, I spare the screen usage and be ok right? I also saw that the 2G can go upto 9+hrs! So it seems calling may not have a big impact.
Just curious how much do you think it will last, if I got a DHD, with my usage pattern, with additional 30mins gaming a day? Thanks a lot for the replies.
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Text and calls don't seem to affect usage a lot. Based on what you wrote, I would say reading your books will eat the most out of your battery. I'm going out on a limb here and will say you should easily get more than 14 hours with heavy usage/e book reading. By heavy I mean more than 3 hours screen time.
3g is the biggest drain of the battery, in my experience and even with it on, I still get more than 14 hours with lots of surfing with around 3 hours screen time.
Standby drain with hourly sync takes 1% per hour.
Cheers from my DHD.

My battery is better than normal desire. I can actually playing most of the day with it and still have some juice left till I plug it in....
Sent from my HTC Desire HD using XDA App

@junta_mpb an @MattSkeet Many thanks again. Getting a solid picture now
Just another quick question, do you keep the syncing, email and social network updates, to frequent checking (for ex 1 hr basis) and use GPS daily?
And how much "screen time" roughly do you get until the battery level gets critical?

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Text and calls don't seem to affect usage a lot. Based on what you wrote, I would say reading your books will eat the most out of your battery. I'm going out on a limb here and will say you should easily get more than 14 hours with heavy usage/e book reading. By heavy I mean more than 3 hours screen time.
3g is the biggest drain of the battery, in my experience and even with it on, I still get more than 14 hours with lots of surfing with around 3 hours screen time.
Standby drain with hourly sync takes 1% per hour.
Cheers from my DHD.
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I forgot to mention, all the time quotes are when the phone reaches 30%. You can actually get more out of it if you push it further.
Cheers from my DHD.

XartzMAX said:
@junta_mpb an @MattSkeet Many thanks again. Getting a solid picture now
Just another quick question, do you keep the syncing, email and social network updates, to frequent checking (for ex 1 hr basis) and use GPS daily?
And how much "screen time" roughly do you get until the battery level gets critical?
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Mine is set to hourly sync. Screen time is typically around 3+ hours.
Again, this usage gets me to 30%. I usually change then.
Cheers from my DHD.

I am fortunate enough to have both devices. I see myself as an average user and I easily get through a day with my dhd, 24hrs plus.
The battery life on my desire is abit better but not by much as I always plug it in every night in anycase.
I have Facebook, emails sync every hour, WiFi on the whole time, 30 to 40 mins of gaming, and listening to some music when I'm bored, 10 to 15 min on the web, atleast 4 calls made or received and texting the whole time. This is average usage for me, so I think you should be fine.
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA App

PC Pro put the DHD at the bottom in its battery tests, lower than the Desire. But in the alternate universe inhabited by some people in this forum, I'm sure the Desire is better.
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bobbyelliott said:
PC Pro put the DHD at the bottom in its battery tests, lower than the Desire. But in the alternate universe inhabited by some people in this forum, I'm sure the Desire is better.
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@bobbyelliott maybe functions that didnt much affect the battery of the Desire (screen usage I presume) due to AMOLED, have greater effect on the DHD, and vice versa?
But getting mixed reviews is confusing. Shame that I dont know anyone with a DHD to check hands-on. And the battery needs some time to adjust, as I ve seen in this forum posts, and they had done the battery test straight out of the box I think?
Anyway I m still leaning towards the DHD for its big screen. But I dont see a point buying such a powerhouse with so much underpowered battery.
Maybe should I wait and see if something like Thunderbolt gets available for sim-free?

had Desire for 6 months and am a DHD user for less than 3 weeks now..
battery life is very similar, maybe slightly better on Desire..
am a light user; 5-10 sms per day, a call or two, sync only gmail & weather (every 2 hrs).. some web surfing (30 minutes) and installing/uninstalling of apps..
with above usage i charge battery every 2 days

I can't compare with the Desire (I'm comming from a Touch HD - the greatest phone of it's time ), but I can easyly get through the day with one charge. Obviously the screen is the biggest drain, so if you need the battery to last more, you have to limit your "screen time" and I keep my brightness set to auto. Due to the nature of my job, I make a lot of calls (maybe 40-50 mins a day), browsing+XDA ~40 mins a day, ebooks for about 30 mins (screen brightnes set to minimum for that), and when I have to use GPS (very rarely), I always charge the phone during that time, because I use GPS only while driving. Also I'm almost always on 3G, wifi and bluetooth always on. I don't use facebook or twitter, but I sync the news feeds, weather, POP3 mail, gmail is set to push, sense is also syncing... and I think that's about everything worth mentioning.
I rarely play games though, so this might bring the battery down if you do, but I think you can still get through the day (actually that's 16 not 24 hours - you have to sleep sometime ). Also if you have a "battery heavy" day, you can always put some juice in the phone while driving home after work.

XartzMAX said:
@junta_mpb an @MattSkeet Many thanks again. Getting a solid picture now
Just another quick question, do you keep the syncing, email and social network updates, to frequent checking (for ex 1 hr basis) and use GPS daily?
And how much "screen time" roughly do you get until the battery level gets critical?
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Here is roughly my day.
Wake up at 6am phone off the charger walk to work and play on it for about 15min.
During work I play (same games some internet some engadget ) here and there for about 10min plus 30+ on my break so all together will be more than 1,5hrs finish work at 4pm and my battery is at about 60-70% get back home surf the net for half hour and turn on hotspot (don't have proper internet at home) this itself drains a lot of battery but if I don't use hotspot and play with the phone instead I manage to get till about 5 5,30 till phone battery goes down to 20% and this is very heavy usage. Had days (Fridays ;p) where after work I didn't use the phone much just few text and it lasted me till next day with about 15% left.
Things is I don't call much. I have 900min and this month used only 100 (lol)
My updates are every 3hrs, push for gmail (i have one account for my regular emails and one just to store contacts without any crappy email addresses) gmail used as exchange account.
Screen on 23% brightness.
Lately battery is draining fast because I've installed whatsapp as my miss is abroad so we save some pennies
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[SOLVED] Final Decision : Going with the Original Desire!
I was doing some more research, and Decided to buy the 'Old' Desire
And Thank you all for your contribution with experiences and thoughts, guys trust me it did help eventhough I didnt go for the DHD !
So for everyone I m gonna breakdown the reasons for my decision. (at least on the paper Desire outscored the DHD)
Battery Life
A huge factor if not the critical. I found that Desire has better Battery life than DHD, in comments I found Desire "Only lasts a day\ have to recharge everyday" etc and with DHD I found "Battery life is abysmal dont last the day\ have to plug in for midday charge" etc, but I know some of you guys anyway manage to keep the juice to last the day, anyway Desire 1 point...
Quadrant Score
http://smartphonebenchmarks.com/ (with 1GHz ranking) WOW this is INCREDIBLE ! Desire outsmarted the DHD came up with 3rd in benchmark with 1. Samsung Epic 4G 2. Samsung Galaxy S 3. LG Optimus 2X (dual core anyway) so its actually second place considering both first two are identical. (now who says Desire is not for gaming???)
Techradar No. 1 phone of all times
with DHD on the 3rd place http://www.techradar.com/news/phone...e-phones-in-the-world-today-645440?artc_pg=21
Pixel Density
Not a big point but anyway a point for desire.
Looks
DHD looks minimalistic on the face and Desire looks good too. And the physical Buttons on Desire... (are they better than the capacitive counterparts?)
Design
I dont like the patchy design of the DHD to be honest. Looks less durable and what about the gap between the bottom door? Cant put a custom cover to get bigger battery even. And the kickstand is utterly useless for many if used with a casing which is mostly the case. And the camera protruding out is menacing and accident prone.
Size and Weight
164g Vs 135g big deal. Pocketability issues, bulge, and for the long hours at the University it's gonna cost me some uncomfortable time.
Camera
Desire's cam is not the best, washed off colors etc.. but is the cam on the DHD fantastic? Nope, focus errors, too much sharpening etc. But HD footage is really cool. Not a big improvement worth considering I think.
DHD issues
Reception issues, (death grip?) , Sometimes lagging (occational 100% CPU usage, saw in a thread in XDA) Desire's problems were ironed out mostly I guess with the hardware revisions. No more overheat etc....
Loudness
Desire is louder than DHD http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_desire-review-468p8.php and http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_desire_... my Desire. Any more comments are welcome. :D

Just one more thing to add, I think the DHD is an overkill. They've got the same snappy so the apps should run at the same speed. And android doesnt have too many 3D games (yet) and I think Desire will do fine until at least the end of this year. Then the dual core phone will go mainstream and prices will fall. So even with the Adreno 205 I dont think DHD is leaps and bounds ahead of the Desire in technology aspect. (buy anyway we can port the DHD rom to desire !!)
Cheers.

XartzMAX said:
Just one more thing to add, I think the DHD is an overkill. They've got the same snappy so the apps should run at the same speed. And android doesnt have too many 3D games (yet) and I think Desire will do fine until at least the end of this year. Then the dual core phone will go mainstream and prices will fall. So even with the Adreno 205 I dont think DHD is leaps and bounds ahead of the Desire in technology aspect. (buy anyway we can port the DHD rom to desire !!)
Cheers.
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It's not the same snappy. Desire hd has the second generation version which uses less power and overclocks better.
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Near 2 months of using DHD. Battery life is improving.
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This review shows the DHD battery lasts longer:
http://www.fastbutter.com/Article/227/HTC-In-Depth-Review--HTC-Desire-HD
"Despite Desire HD has a battery of 1230 mAh it sweep the carpet with its older sibling Desire with its 1400 mAh battery. When Desire goes out after almost exactly five hours Desire HD still have 19% battery left and rolls on for one hour and two minutes more- despite the smaller battery."
I guess the people with battery problems are having the cpu draining /init bug.

Desire HD battery issues??

Hi Guys,
I actually have a HD7m but my dad quite liked the 4.3 inch screen and was now asking me to buy a similar handset. We went out and he was quite impressed with the Desire HD.
But the catch, when I researched online, I found out the battery issue on practically every thread and community.
Now my problem: He is an old man and can get cranky at times. Currently owes a Nokia C6 and is pissed with the touch screen. So is it wise to buy him Desire HD even with the bad battery life?
Or worse case scenario, I swap my HD7 for his Desire HD????
Should I go for it or should can you guys suggest something else equally fluid??

It doesn't have battery issues once calibrated. I have 1-5mA battery drain on standby, that's even when running MSN and CallerID2Voice App in the background. And I can still get hours out of it when using it. Just recharge it every-night. I doubt your dad will be a smartphone addicted guy.

FirefighterDown said:
It doesn't have battery issues once calibrated. I have 1-5mA battery drain on standby, that's even when running MSN and CallerID2Voice App in the background. And I can still get hours out of it when using it. Just recharge it every-night. I doubt your dad will be a smartphone addicted guy.
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Hey,
Thanx...no he isn't a smart phone addicted guy. But the battery was so obvious an issue, I had to ask the experts here. Also, what exactly do you mean by 'calibrated'?
I mean, I have been an Android user before, but not quite sure what calibration is ?
He is a simple user with checking some mails everyday, music and some websites may be...thats about it, HTC Sense and all makes no difference to him actually...

If its battery life your after, buy a Johns Phone, you get 3 weeks between charges.
After you battery has been "run in" and calibrated you will get at least a day with light usage. Remember this is a powerful smartphone.

circleofomega said:
Hey,
Thanx...no he isn't a smart phone addicted guy. But the battery was so obvious an issue, I had to ask the experts here. Also, what exactly do you mean by 'calibrated'?
I mean, I have been an Android user before, but not quite sure what calibration is ?
He is a simple user with checking some mails everyday, music and some websites may be...thats about it, HTC Sense and all makes no difference to him actually...
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The battery calibration concerns only those who are using a custom rom. (here's a short article with app that does it for you if you're interested). I wouldn't recommend the DHD for my own father. Whatever you do to it you'll almost always have to charge it overnight, with stock rom it could be even twice a day. This isn't a problem for smartphone enthusiasts, but for oldschool people (like my father) who think phones should last a week without charging this can be quite off-putting. The DHD is also starting to get kinda old already, so you might wanna take a look at some newer phones. A good alternative could be the Desire S, as it has almost the same features with a slightly better battery.
And to those who can't admit that the DHD has bad battery life I just have to say that the out-of-the-box battery life could and should be a lot better. To get it lasting as it should takes a bit of effort which shouldn't be required from a normal user.

Hawks556 said:
The battery calibration concerns only those who are using a custom rom. (here's a short article with app that does it for you if you're interested). I wouldn't recommend the DHD for my own father. Whatever you do to it you'll almost always have to charge it overnight, with stock rom it could be even twice a day. This isn't a problem for smartphone enthusiasts, but for oldschool people (like my father) who think phones should last a week without charging this can be quite off-putting. The DHD is also starting to get kinda old already, so you might wanna take a look at some newer phones. A good alternative could be the Desire S, as it has almost the same features with a slightly better battery.
And to those who can't admit that the DHD has bad battery life I just have to say that the out-of-the-box battery life could and should be a lot better. To get it lasting as it should takes a bit of effort which shouldn't be required from a normal user.
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Thanx so much...that was really helpful...albeit your explanation on battery life, I just wanted to add that he was in love with the 4.3 inch screen...and only HD7 is the other device with that screen size...So I think Desire S is also a good option...let me check with him...
Again, Thanx!

depend on what you consider a good battery life, some may say getting a day is good enough, but some define good as atleast 2 days.

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And to those who can't admit that the DHD has bad battery life I just have to say that the out-of-the-box battery life could and should be a lot better. To get it lasting as it should takes a bit of effort which shouldn't be required from a normal user.
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Absolutely right. I'm tired of hearing people evangelising that the DHD's battery is fine. It patently is not. Even when you severly rein back the device's features (features which HTC flaunted to get us all hooked), one ends up with 25-30% at the day's end.... And if you have a 'heavy' day of calls/browsing etc, you'll have to top up to get through the day.
But I still regard HTC as just about the best of a bad bunch...

Ok, sorry to hijack this thread a little.
The battery is fine, there are no issues with the battery. Your problem with the battery is that its small. Before you bought the phone did you not look into the battery capacity? I did, I knew it was smaller than the Desire's battery. Out-of-the-box it will act like any other lithium-ion battery that is just out-of-the-box. That "bit of effort" , what, plugging in your charger when it requires a charge.
These guides to correctly charge lithium-ion batteries are largely mumbo jumbo (charge to 100%, turn off, charge again for 250,000 hours, turn on, drain battery, rinse & repeat). Just charge it overnight, when your asleep.
Any smartphone with comparable usage will last around the same time and require a daily charge. If you want a phone that will last days between charges, don't buy a smartphone.
If you turn off all the bells & whistles, use 2G only and use it only for calls & sms', just like a regular phone. It will last days between charges.
If you want a powerful smartphone with a large screen, and lots of features, your battery is going to pay for it.

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Ok, sorry to hijack this thread a little.
Before you bought the phone did you not look into the battery capacity? I did, I knew it was smaller than the Desire's battery. Out-of-the-box it will act like any other lithium-ion battery that is just out-of-the-box. That "bit of effort" , what, plugging in your charger when it requires a charge.
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I'm not sure anybody on this forum expects days of use between charges - we're not daft. What I expect is to not have power-saving mode kick in by late afternoon when I'm nowhere near a charger, and I've not used the thing particularly heavily.
It's not right to conclude that others didn't read up on the battery before purchasing. You have no basis for drawing such conclusions.
HTC marketed the DHD on the basis that it's architecture was such that it didn't need a higher-capacity battery to do its job. Based on the fact that I'd had pretty good experiences with my previous HTCs, I saw no reason to doubt this.
In any case, just because you don't mind charging your phone part-way through a day, doesn't mean that everybody else should be happy with that.

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That's why I said that there are "oldschool people" (like my father) who think the battery should last a week. I don't mind charging the phone every night, but there are people who can't cope with such a "short" battery life. That's why the battery life of the DHD should be taken under consideration when buying a new phone.
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Ok, sorry to hijack this thread a little.
The battery is fine, there are no issues with the battery. Your problem with the battery is that its small. Before you bought the phone did you not look into the battery capacity? I did, I knew it was smaller than the Desire's battery. Out-of-the-box it will act like any other lithium-ion battery that is just out-of-the-box. That "bit of effort" , what, plugging in your charger when it requires a charge.
Any smartphone with comparable usage will last around the same time and require a daily charge. If you want a phone that will last days between charges, don't buy a smartphone.
If you turn off all the bells & whistles, use 2G only and use it only for calls & sms', just like a regular phone. It will last days between charges.
If you want a powerful smartphone with a large screen, and lots of features, your battery is going to pay for it.
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I didn't mean that the battery was bad quality or anything, just that it is a bit too small for such a powerful phone. And yes I was aware of the battery capacity and I don't mind, but again there are people that require more from their phones.
And the instructions to close connections when you're not using them and turning down the screen brightness etc. are plain stupid. I bought a smartphone so that I can get my email whenever and wherever and to enjoy the big screen and not so that I can receive emails only when I choose to and so that I have to squint to see something from the screen when the brightness is set to the lowest. This is just a couple of the features I need ofcourse, but for me it's important to always receive emails instantly and not only when I can afford to spend some battery on internet connection.
When I was still running stock rom I could barely get through a day at work (8 hours). I had mobile network on the whole time and the screen brightness set at about 50% (which I think should be used at 100% all the time to really enjoy the screen) I talked for about half an hour during the days, sent 10 texts and listened to music/played/surfed on the internet for about 3 hours in all. When I got home I had to charge it. This ofcourse is everything one could need, but there are smartphones with better battery life.
Now of ofcourse when I have a custom rom that's tweaked and everything there's no problem with battery life, but that shouldn't be necessary to do and it's quite a lot to ask just so you can have a decent battery life. That's why I was talking about out-of-the-box battery life.

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That's why I said that there are "oldschool people" (like my father) who think the battery should last a week. I don't mind charging the phone every night, but there are people who can't cope with such a "short" battery life. That's why the battery life of the DHD should be taken under consideration when buying a new phone.
I didn't mean that the battery was bad quality or anything, just that it is a bit too small for such a powerful phone. And yes I was aware of the battery capacity and I don't mind, but again there are people that require more from their phones.
And the instructions to close connections when you're not using them and turning down the screen brightness etc. are plain stupid. I bought a smartphone so that I can get my email whenever and wherever and to enjoy the big screen and not so that I can receive emails only when I choose to and so that I have to squint to see something from the screen when the brightness is set to the lowest. This is just a couple of the features I need ofcourse, but for me it's important to always receive emails instantly and not only when I can afford to spend some battery on internet connection.
When I was still running stock rom I could barely get through a day at work (8 hours). I had mobile network on the whole time and the screen brightness set at about 50% (which I think should be used at 100% all the time to really enjoy the screen) I talked for about half an hour during the days, sent 10 texts and listened to music/played/surfed on the internet for about 3 hours in all. When I got home I had to charge it. This ofcourse is everything one could need, but there are smartphones with better battery life.
Now of ofcourse when I have a custom rom that's tweaked and everything there's no problem with battery life, but that shouldn't be necessary to do and it's quite a lot to ask just so you can have a decent battery life. That's why I was talking about out-of-the-box battery life.
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If you want to receive emails and text, I find that GSM is fine for that. If you want to go internet browsing, just switch on to 3G.
Smartphones these days have basically a different definition of battery life to the old nokia symbian and similar phones of old. Those could go up to a week. Smartphones on the other hand are considered awesome if they can last 3.
I do have to say ultimately I think HTC sold the battery life a bit short on the DHD. 1230mah I think is really just making way for all the other top-of-the-line features that it had when it came out.
HTC have released a great number of variants of this phone now, all with better iterations of design and also with bigger batteries because of this.
1400-1500mah (or even above) I think is really what you need with a 4.3" display phone. 1230 would be far more acceptable for a <4" display. Although it can be made quite livable for a day or two with an excellent custom rom, I don't really think it's enough for a basic consumer using the standard rom. That and the speaker/audio out are the two biggest pitfalls of the DHD imo.
Sensation is now HTC's newest 4.3" phone which has a good 1500mah battery. I hope Sense 3.0 doesn't wear it down too fast!
Ultimate thoughts: Although it's a great phone, I think it's a power user's phone more than anything. You will definitely only get the best out of it by customising to it's best potential, which is also when you get acceptable battery life. If you don't, it really does seem a waste.

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When I was still running stock rom I could barely get through a day at work (8 hours). I had mobile network on the whole time and the screen brightness set at about 50% (which I think should be used at 100% all the time to really enjoy the screen) I talked for about half an hour during the days, sent 10 texts and listened to music/played/surfed on the internet for about 3 hours in all. When I got home I had to charge it. This ofcourse is everything one could need, but there are smartphones with better battery life.
Now of ofcourse when I have a custom rom that's tweaked and everything there's no problem with battery life
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I had the same sort of expectancy out of the battery using it moderately during a day at work out of the box. However with custom ROM installed I have found the battery to last easily the whole day with the same usage and probably have approx 40 - 50% left after 15hrs on battery.
just my 2c

andyharney said:
Ok, sorry to hijack this thread a little.
The battery is fine, there are no issues with the battery. Your problem with the battery is that its small. Before you bought the phone did you not look into the battery capacity? I did, I knew it was smaller than the Desire's battery. Out-of-the-box it will act like any other lithium-ion battery that is just out-of-the-box. That "bit of effort" , what, plugging in your charger when it requires a charge.
These guides to correctly charge lithium-ion batteries are largely mumbo jumbo (charge to 100%, turn off, charge again for 250,000 hours, turn on, drain battery, rinse & repeat). Just charge it overnight, when your asleep.
Any smartphone with comparable usage will last around the same time and require a daily charge. If you want a phone that will last days between charges, don't buy a smartphone.
If you turn off all the bells & whistles, use 2G only and use it only for calls & sms', just like a regular phone. It will last days between charges.
If you want a powerful smartphone with a large screen, and lots of features, your battery is going to pay for it.
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I am extremely sorry but I disagree with u completely. You are talking as if you buy an expensive car but dont drive it too much as it eats a lot of fuel. If you want to just drive around, why dont you just get yourself a mopet. The point is, i have bought an expensive car TO DRIVE it around. If I buy a smartphone and not use its SMART features, why am I buying it for??? If I practically shut all the reasons why I bought this phone, WHY the hell am I buying it??
There is an old saying that comes to mind that it takes guts to stay in the minority. If the battery is flawed, ACCEPT it.
Anyways, I have got my answer. Thanx for your reply nonetheless.

As everyone says depends on usage.
For one thing i went from 80mA down to 8mA just by updating the radio which came stock.
Now with a different rom and kernel I get -1mA on standby, juicedefender is also a nice app. The battery life depends on your setup though, I easily get 2 days of moderate use/music/games/calls etc.

jpinky said:
As everyone says depends on usage.
For one thing i went from 80mA down to 8mA just by updating the radio which came stock.
Now with a different rom and kernel I get -1mA on standby, juicedefender is also a nice app. The battery life depends on your setup though, I easily get 2 days of moderate use/music/games/calls etc.
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Hey thanx man...But was just wondering, with very moderate usage, will it still be over in no time?
Also, the other thing worrying me is the memory card issue...I cant afford to lose one card after another once I buy an expensive phone, u know what I mean...

The battery life is acceptable with moderate use on stock rom, if you're a power user you will have to stay close to a charger
There's no memory card issue from the DHD's part, it's just the crappy "freebie" sdcard (samsung?) which comes with the phone that stops working. The people who are complaining that the DHD breaks sdcards are those who buy cheap, bad quality sdcards or get a warranty replacement for the original one, which will be just as bad. The solution to this is to buy a better quality microsd card (costs about 15€) if the original stops working. Mine's still working great though.

Hawks556 said:
The battery life is acceptable with moderate use on stock rom, if you're a power user you will have to stay close to a charger
There's no memory card issue from the DHD's part, it's just the crappy "freebie" sdcard (samsung?) which comes with the phone that stops working. The people who are complaining that the DHD breaks sdcards are those who buy cheap, bad quality sdcards or get a warranty replacement for the original one, which will be just as bad. The solution to this is to buy a better quality microsd card (costs about 15€) if the original stops working. Mine's still working great though.
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After receiving a replacement 'new' phone, and having problems with my SD Card from the very second it switched on, I complained to HTC about the issue and the man on the end of the phone admitted around 500,000 phones that had been dispatched has been shipped with KNOWN issues & SD Card incapabilities. If you went out today and bought a brand spanking new card, in theory the phone WOULD NOT and the SD Card WOULD NOT fail.

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I'm not sure anybody on this forum expects days of use between charges - we're not daft. What I expect is to not have power-saving mode kick in by late afternoon when I'm nowhere near a charger, and I've not used the thing particularly heavily.
It's not right to conclude that others didn't read up on the battery before purchasing. You have no basis for drawing such conclusions.
HTC marketed the DHD on the basis that it's architecture was such that it didn't need a higher-capacity battery to do its job. Based on the fact that I'd had pretty good experiences with my previous HTCs, I saw no reason to doubt this.
In any case, just because you don't mind charging your phone part-way through a day, doesn't mean that everybody else should be happy with that.
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I don't mean to hijack you here mate, but you assume/claim that:
'HTC marketed the DHD on the basis that it's architecture was such that it didn't need a higher-capacity battery to do its job.'
Well I take it that you assume this on the basis that Leprechauns are real and are roaming New York city as we speak? If HTC were doing any market research at all, they would realize that even devices with smaller screens have a bigger battery than the one they have put into the DhD, including the Desire Z & Desire's batteries?
I remember when I was looking at reviews for the original Desire, as I fancied one, the main complaints were the battery life, and the fact people only got a day's charge on it. So I thought fair do's, big screen, big price to pay? If HTC had done any research, they would have realized that people wanted better battery life, a better quality screen, better sound quality?
You want to know what the real reason is behind HTC putting a small battery inside the Device? Well it's the fact that the entire thing was rushed, and I mean rushed? There's evidence of this in the build quality, the software, the placing of different things within the phone and also the bad batch issues HTC experienced.
The HD was leaked in September/October, it was released by November, this is not normal for any device that becomes 'leaked'. HTC used a bad screen, imported most of the software from the original Desire, obviously making edits to make it Sense 2.0, but you can clearly see they didn't change everything? If you set the Android Pattern Lock Screen, you can see that it doesn't fill the whole screen, the IME is the standard HTC one with some arrows slapped in at the bottom? They didn't even change the size of the keyboard?, this is more evident if you use the IME in landscape mode, its hard.
What sort of company places an Antenna in the Battery Cover? It's true, remove your Battery Cover and you'll loose all signal? Pretty risky move for HTC, seeing as the Battery Cover is VERY easy to 'accidently' break, and frankly your screwed then right? It's like they designed the phone, forgot the Antenna, then quickly though 'Where the f*** is this going?' and decided to place it there? In my opinion, and a few others, they did this with the battery, they made the device too thin, and in reality they just couldn't fit everything in. The Desire S which is slightly thicker, packs a brilliant battery. Problem solved.
The build quality of the phone, is not one of a £500 price tag. Some parts of the phone squeak whereas others just do not feel adequate to the pricing of the device. There again we live in a world where no matter how much you pay, something always seems to be wrong.
Sorry if I have offended any HTC lovers, all attacks on my and opinions against me are welcome, don't get me wrong, I love my phone and I can cope with charging the battery every night. Chao.

Am I the only one

Am I the only one who thinks that Microsoft is doing really well with the platform? They launched last year have had one issue (with the Nodo update) and are already ahead of schedule on there Mango update.
To me honestly my Dell Venue Pro looks better then my brothers android phone it may not have as many features but it has all I look for in a phone. I just don't see why everyone is complaining so much :s?
Oh and if I have missed something about the platform please tell me

No, you are not the only one.
I had WP7, then some friends tried to persuade me to pass to Android, i used it for a month until I trow it out of my car window (It was a Nexus One, so exactly the same hardware as LG E900 I was using and I am currently using).
Far too bored from system lockup, too much energy consumption from the OS an applications, Android is just a bunch of buggy software.
Now back to WP7 and breathing again, no need to travel with battery charger, fast and reliable os...

What kind of battery life do you get on wp7? I get around 10 hours while my android phone usually gets 26-30.
For all the strong points on wp7 battery performance is not one
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What kind of battery life do you get on wp7? I get around 10 hours while my android phone usually gets 26-30.
For all the strong points on wp7 battery performance is not one
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I have to agree with this. My Focus is horrid for BL. I have all syncing set to manual and even deleted all apps that required syncing data except the weather app. My Focus, not being used, will drain the battery in less than 2 days...remember, I said not being used...the screen is always off, the sim is out and the wifi sleeping.
My Androids are much better. Even my HD2 with Android lasts several days with mild usage. My iPhone is unmatched, though. It just lasts and lasts. I can go a week with mild usage and still have 75% battery.
MS needs to focus on the BL.

BlackDino said:
What kind of battery life do you get on wp7? I get around 10 hours while my android phone usually gets 26-30.
For all the strong points on wp7 battery performance is not one
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Must be low utilization....
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I have to agree with this. My Focus is horrid for BL. I have all syncing set to manual and even deleted all apps that required syncing data except the weather app. My Focus, not being used, will drain the battery in less than 2 days...remember, I said not being used...the screen is always off, the sim is out and the wifi sleeping.
My Androids are much better. Even my HD2 with Android lasts several days with mild usage. My iPhone is unmatched, though. It just lasts and lasts. I can go a week with mild usage and still have 75% battery.
MS needs to focus on the BL.
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Totally disagree, I have the 1.3 focus and have no problem getting through a 12 hour work day with moderate to heavy use.
I think comparing Android battery performance to WP isn't a direct comparison since Android runs on a plethora of different hardware with different battery sizes, cpus, gpus, etc, etc... WP has what, less than 10 models currently on the market?
Although that's soon to change.
I do know this for a fact: My colleague had a Samsung Infuse and her battery wouldn't last 8 hours. Returned it for an iphone cause the Mango wasn't even close to RTM at the time.
That's probably because her battery is 1400 mah and mine is 1500 mah. Also her CPU is 1.5 ghz and mine is 1.0 ghz.. After that, then the OS would come in to play.
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dilzo said:
Am I the only one who thinks that Microsoft is doing really well with the platform? They launched last year have had one issue (with the Nodo update) and are already ahead of schedule on there Mango update.
To me honestly my Dell Venue Pro looks better then my brothers android phone it may not have as many features but it has all I look for in a phone. I just don't see why everyone is complaining so much :s?
Oh and if I have missed something about the platform please tell me
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No, and millions of others including myself think it's doing well too.
But remember, there's a lot of money at stake and people will do/say anything to try to stop their camp from potentially losing any market share.
Be patient. MS has some very big things coming. It's a long term plan, and time will reveal it. And only then will the doubters finally see what's going on.
But the haters, there's nothing that can be said for them except please leave this forum and keep your nonsense to yourselves.

If you are basing your assumption that you are the "only one" off of the forum posts on XDA (or on any forum really), don't.
Its a well known fact that complaints are much louder than praise. But the number of people complaining is minute compared to the many others who are too busy using and enjoying their phones to bother with any forums.
Especially here on XDA, where one of the reasons we're all here is because we see something that could be improved or better, and we gather here as enthusiasts and developers to make those improvements. Its only natural that these improvements are based off of complaints that people make here.
Its not a perfect platform, but then again, no platform is. And for being only 1 year into the platform, its doing quite well both in terms of the app Marketplace, and the general development of the platform.

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I have to agree with this. My Focus is horrid for BL. I have all syncing set to manual and even deleted all apps that required syncing data except the weather app. My Focus, not being used, will drain the battery in less than 2 days...remember, I said not being used...the screen is always off, the sim is out and the wifi sleeping.
My Androids are much better. Even my HD2 with Android lasts several days with mild usage. My iPhone is unmatched, though. It just lasts and lasts. I can go a week with mild usage and still have 75% battery.
MS needs to focus on the BL.
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How do you get that much battery life out of you iPhone? Everyone I know with an iPhone, especially the iPhone 4, can't get through a whole day without looking for a charger at the end of the day. With a battery pack case, they can make it through two days. I'm just wondering.
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I do know this for a fact: My colleague had a Samsung Infuse and her battery wouldn't last 8 hours. Returned it for an iphone cause the Mango wasn't even close to RTM at the time.
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Totally disagree. I had an Infuse and the battery life was the best of my Android. It would last a long time. Much longer than 8 hours.
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How do you get that much battery life out of you iPhone? Everyone I know with an iPhone, especially the iPhone 4, can't get through a whole day without looking for a charger at the end of the day. With a battery pack case, they can make it through two days. I'm just wondering.
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I'm a mild user. I rarely make phone calls and do minimal things with it. It's my main phone and I keep it with me all the time, but it basically just sits in my belt case and once in a while I'll pull it out and check emails, market apps and do some other things with it.
But if I do make or receive calls, it will drain much more than it does. But there is no exaggeration about the BL I see with it. I can go several days forgetting about it and when I do think about it I figure it might need charging. But I pull it out and look and it's barely moved away from a full charge.
And this is the same type usage I do with my others phones, except my Focus. My Focus just sits at home in its pouch never used. But the battery will drain in less than 2 days.

I wouldn't really consider an idle phone a good benchmark for battery life, though it is the easiest. It is non-standard usage and probably not something they are optimizing around.

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I wouldn't really consider an idle phone a good benchmark for battery life, though it is the easiest. It is non-standard usage and probably not something they are optimizing around.
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The only idle phone I have is my Focus. And all of my Androids and my iPhone are used, but used minimally. For music on my iPhone, I get around 50 hours. The standby time on the iPhone is literal and true. The standby time on the Androids isn't. The standby time on my WP7 phone is the most horrendous I've seen since my Blackberry Pearl Flip.

My surround battery life is great. I don't use it much for talking but i do use it to check my fantasy football scores, constant emails withour exchange server (push mail), comcast home email, yahoo (for fantasy football) and text messaging. I also use the internet frequently off 3G throughout the day and usually have an app update or 2 and in the morning i use the fm radio for my 40 min walk with the dog and mp3's for another 30 min walk after work.. After all this i'm at 30% - 40% battery life. Also my charge time is up to 90% with only about a 45 min charge. Surrounds have 1500m batteries.

Android obvious has superior hardware...they needed it to run their laggy OS.

Samsung infuse with custom rom eaquals 10 -12 hours of battery life moderate usage and no lag. Its overclocked to 1.6 ghz also. I left wp7 2 months ago and feel free all of a sudden. I really was pulling for wp7 for a while but unfortunately its not gonna make it.
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Well, I was comparing two similar hardware phones (LG E900 with Nexus One); the have same CPU, RAM, DISPLAY and more or less, battery (50ma minus for the Nexus One).
I make exactly the same use of both phones, since my habits didn't changed in 3 months.
So yes, I will never come back to Android, for battery life, for reliability, for buggy OS, for smoothliness......

I find the two day battery for the completely idle (all radios off) Focus to be a bit surprising. I had mine in a similar situation for a few days and all indications pointed to it lasting around a week. It's definitely short of my old Touch Pro 2's month of full idle, but it's an unrealistic test either way. And we'll see what the new firmware with the official Mango update brings to the table.
I'm a reasonably light phone user in general, and I have no real qualms with the battery life I get on the Focus... at least after setting the screen brightness to low. It's pretty obvious that the screen is going to be a huge power draw when having it on high with a light-coloured display for a few minutes makes the entire device hot. Another strong point is the consistency of the battery meter - my Blackberry could end a day with anywhere from 90% to 40% battery remaining on very similar cross-day usage profiles, while my Focus idles at a very predictable 1.5-2%/hr with 3G, one EAS push account, and The Weather Network's live tile.
For a full wake-to-sleep 18-20h day to rarely consume more than 50% battery is totally reasonable, especially when the device doesn't freeze, crash, lag, or generally spaz out without regular reboots unlike every other mobile I've owned.

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I find the two day battery for the completely idle (all radios off) Focus to be a bit surprising. I had mine in a similar situation for a few days and all indications pointed to it lasting around a week. It's definitely short of my old Touch Pro 2's month of full idle, but it's an unrealistic test either way. And we'll see what the new firmware with the official Mango update brings to the table.
I'm a reasonably light phone user in general, and I have no real qualms with the battery life I get on the Focus... at least after setting the screen brightness to low. It's pretty obvious that the screen is going to be a huge power draw when having it on high with a light-coloured display for a few minutes makes the entire device hot. Another strong point is the consistency of the battery meter - my Blackberry could end a day with anywhere from 90% to 40% battery remaining on very similar cross-day usage profiles, while my Focus idles at a very predictable 1.5-2%/hr with 3G, one EAS push account, and The Weather Network's live tile.
For a full wake-to-sleep 18-20h day to rarely consume more than 50% battery is totally reasonable, especially when the device doesn't freeze, crash, lag, or generally spaz out without regular reboots unlike every other mobile I've owned.
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What hardware revision do you have, v1.3 or v1.4?

I'm actually surprised at your battery life, MartyLK. My Samsung Omnia 7 (which I assume is the same as the Focus in terms of hardware) easily lasts a day and a half with all radios on, push email/notifications, and light usage (usually web browsing or videos). It seems strange that your Focus would only last 2 days when sitting completely idle.

Yeah my HTC surround has a really small battery (1230mAh) and it lasts almost a full day with moderate usage.

wp7 might not have the best idle-time batterylife. but on moderate use, they last about as long.
and with mango, batterylife while using improved massively. can't wait for mango with actual updated device drivers. can't be long anymore.
omnia 7 here.
but in the end, nothing beats my dumpphone from nokia that i use at work. idle time of two to three weeks.
hope to see wp7 go more into that direction. instead of upping the performance (which is not needed), use the more efficient newer hardware for longer batterylife.
and yes, so far all friends who have a wp7 are very happy with it. except they still don't have mango, and have seen it on mine

I think battery life is a useless topic, especially in Android. People used to flashing custom roms and kernels can never have same battery life on all roms or all the kernels and themes they are flashing.
Besides their are a lot of settings and culprit apps in Android which can eat away your battery if not recognized and managed.
So, battery life largely depends on user habits as well.
Just got my focus today. Have yet to see things in here.

"There will be no specific updates coming for the HTC One X to improve battery"

"There will be no specific updates coming for the HTC One X to improve battery"
...say HTC.
It can all be found here at techradar.phones
Well what do you guys think? Are you satisfied by the battery considering the HOX's demanding setup? Mine lasts around ten hours with moderate to heavy use. Which is similar to my last phone, the SGS i9000. I found this quite acceptable.
HTC are a very reputable company, and often listen to their consumers (hence HTCdev). Is this latest move a shy away from that?
Would be great to hear everyones thoughts.

then...time to wait for mugen
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More than happy with mine. 2 days on battery with average use. 3 hours screen time during that time, with an hour using sat nav.
Slim

Im happy with mine 8.5 hours mod use data off wen not in use my gs2 lasts 10 galaxy nexus lasts 9 so it aint really that bad plus the screens awesome
Mod Or Die

I'm still waiting to see what mine will manage, before the update I had 11 hours. Come off charge this morning and this is what's left...
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The screen is such a power hog!

Eddzz!! said:
The screen is such a power hog!
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It is considering my brightness is on the lowest, and all network is off minus WiFi.
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I'm not having an high end smartphone to constantly be in battery problems.
I consider the battery usage as a real annoying problem with no option to buy extra batteries.
Who buys a smartphone to use as less as possible???
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Happy here with battery life of One X, battery is even better than it was in SGS2. For me at least. Around ~36h battery time while SGS2 ~30 hours when I was using it.

Gawwd why do people expect something with the resolution of a tv, and the same amount of cores of a high end pc, to not take much battery? I think its a bloody miracle these smartphones last longer than 5 minutes! As I've said before, you wouldn't expect a supercar to be economical?
Plus, the battery is an improvement to my dhd , so that is another miracle, considering the extra horsepower behind the one x
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Gawwd why do people expect something with the resolution of a tv, and the same amount of cores of a high end pc, to not take much battery? I think its a bloody miracle these smartphones last longer than 5 minutes! As I've said before, you wouldn't expect a supercar to be economical?
Plus, the battery is an improvement to my dhd , so that is another miracle, considering the extra horsepower behind the one x
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Where's the like button? I really do wonder what people expect. Get a Motorola if you want the battery to last you for a week.

More than happy with the battery life of the handset. Lasts me from when I leave home in the morning till when I get home at night and then some. Beats having to charge my phone during the day like on my DHD.
People need to get used to charging their phone every night, really don't understand people's issues with that. What's the big deal?
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I know!!! My DHD is on the charger every night! It doesn't bother me

Why would they? It's fine.
To all the "glass half empty" whining types. You guys do know these things charge from USBs right. I got a great solution; plug it in when its running low.
Besides, the battery life is staggeringly good if you think about it. Mine lasts 2 days for simple calling and texting here and there and a whole day for quite heavy usage, browsing, YouTube, calls and so on. 18hours total, 4-4.5 hours screen on, 40/50mb data and 1.5 hours of calls yesterday, put it away at 1%, still not dead 2 hours of standby later.

Mine's OK, not great. I really didn't expect it to be. It'll be interesting to see how the S4 One XL does now that it's shipping. If it's about the same (with LTE off) than it's not a Teg3 issue. If it's dramatically better than we know it's not the display alone causing battery challenges.

I think that no update coming anytime soon is acceptable but no update AT ALL?
Im sorry but f*** that! Why can't they focus abit on the battery, some simple things would be to have less CRAP and bloatware, maybe if they could release 2 versions 1. simplified with the sense camera ONLY and rest ICS and the other with the full sense package that is really no necessary.
The most important thing to remember is that this a a PHONE to make calls and for that it works nicely and the battery lasts if you keep the screen off most of the time, but for a phone like this that was made to do more things I think you need to at the very least have a battery or a software symbiosis that can last for 8,9 hours of screen time.
Its Tegra 3 for f*** sake! With the super-dupe-triple-super-important-kill core2dou like nothing-quad-core-and a dedicated 5 companion core THAT IS SUPPOSE TO DELIVER KILLER BATTERY LIFE.
What is the problem?
I think there is simply too much Sense on the phone, too many uneceassy widgets and other crap that run in the background (oh you can flash cusom rom bla bla, you can freeze services with Titanium backup bla bla, but what if I want to use a stock rom?) bull**** I say, wih such and advanced CPU and memory and so on I do not see why you cannot have better battery life.
My Samsung Galaxy S2 can work for up to 3 days (ok it has a AMOLED ok ok but still, touchwhiz seems to not over run ICS) On stock ICS. Why? Because they have less 'painted over ICS functions that almost makes it run 2 OS's at the same time so maybe its no wonder the battery gets chewed up by all the sense applications.
This just my opinion from observing the phone and all the fanzy sense stuff after a week.
I believe this phone could be better in terms of software (without a doubt).
One thing they have to adress is the camera, why cant the image files be bigger than 2.9 megapixels? This is so stupid considering it has an 8 mpx camera... Also the full HD and 720p records in the latest firmware 1.28xx at approximately 24 fps and it should be 29 or 30. My Asus Prime records at a steady 30 fps at 1080p and 720p and its running Tegra 3 too.
They MUST at some point focus on battery life because if you dont have the juice to run all those fanzy apps and UI then why are they there in the first place?
I LOVE the weather graphics but I could live without it too (If I absolutely HAVE to....) the only thing necessary is the camera sense app because its the only thing that makes the phone unique and very fun and nice (but again whats the point without proper battery life?)
I hope HTC continues to work on making this one of the best first quad-core phone.
Another thing I noticed with SetCpu is that the phone is very high frequencies very frequently, if you install it and use the phone for a day you will see the graph scale, it uses 1.4 abut 40% of the time, but why? I never played games during this period or anything.
Im gonna keep my 1X because I love it and I believe in it and in the HTCdevs if they cant just be more positive perhaps
Cheers!

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Why would they? It's fine.
To all the "glass half empty" whining types. You guys do know these things charge from USBs right. I got a great solution; plug it in when its running low.
Besides, the battery life is staggeringly good if you think about it. Mine lasts 2 days for simple calling and texting here and there and a whole day for quite heavy usage, browsing, YouTube, calls and so on. 18hours total, 4-4.5 hours screen on, 40/50mb data and 1.5 hours of calls yesterday, put it away at 1%, still not dead 2 hours of standby later.
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4-4.5 hrs screen on isn't typical usage that the majority are getting though. Closer to 3 hrs.
It's easier to be quick to judge others when your own device defies the norm for the better.
If you were struggling to get 2.5 hrs , I doubt you'd be as chirpy about it all.

Two words that will help battery life without HTC - "custom kernels"
If you need to see the difference they make just ask in one of faux's threads, e.g. in the Sensation dev forum.

did the update improve the batterie life and if so , does the HOX still run as fast or did things low down ?

Pretty much echo the below , i have had an sgs2 and have an xperia s and this phone with its companion core is at least 33% worse on battery than both of these, and the processor is supposed to be more efficient . The display excuse won't wash much as the xperia s display is at least as bright/power hungry if not more .
I would love to see the exchange / return rates on this handset due to it not living up to its hype , let alone the fault rates.
And i am not whining, i upgraded to one, i like it , i will keep it and maybe one day learn to root it and replace the rom, but lets not kid ourselves its just not a finished polished product in terms of software !
thats my 2p, thanks for reading
james
Johnny0906 said:
I think that no update coming anytime soon is acceptable but no update AT ALL?
Im sorry but f*** that! Why can't they focus abit on the battery, some simple things would be to have less CRAP and bloatware, maybe if they could release 2 versions 1. simplified with the sense camera ONLY and rest ICS and the other with the full sense package that is really no necessary.
The most important thing to remember is that this a a PHONE to make calls and for that it works nicely and the battery lasts if you keep the screen off most of the time, but for a phone like this that was made to do more things I think you need to at the very least have a battery or a software symbiosis that can last for 8,9 hours of screen time.
Its Tegrra 3 for f*** sake! With the super-dupe-triple-super-important-kill core2dou like nothing-quad-core-and a dedicated 5 companion core THAT IS SUPPOSE TO DELIVER KILLER BATTERY LIFE.
What is the problem?
I think there is simply too much Sense on the phone, too many uneceassy widgets and other crap that run in the background (oh you can flash cusom rom bla bla, you can freeze services with Titanium backup bla bla, but what if I want to use a stock rom?) bull**** I say, wih such and advanced CPU and memory and so on I do not see why you cannot have better battery life.
My Samsung Galaxy S2 can work for up to 3 days (ok it has a AMOLED ok ok but still, touchwhiz seems to not over run ICS) On stock ICS. Why? Because they have less 'painted over ICS functions that almost makes it run 2 OS's at the same time so maybe its no wonder the battery gets chewed up by all the sense applications.
This just my opinion from observing the phone and all the fanzy sense stuff after a week.
I believe this phone could be better in terms of software (without a doubt).
They MUST at some point focus on battery life because if you dont have the juice to run all those fanzy apps and UI then why are they there in the first place?
I hope HTC continues to work on making this one of the best and first quad-core phones.
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