Thinking of getting a Sony phone - Sony Xperia S, Acro S, Ion

I currently have a Samsung but used to have an hd2. I was running a Sony Ericsson ROM on the hd2 and really liked the way it looked. My question is, to those who have a Sony phone, do you like it? Would you recommend it? Can you compare it to other phones?
I like my Samsung but I really like how Sony looks. I'm thinking of upgrading to the note 2 when it comes out for the screen size but depending on the replies I get here could make me change my mind. Thanks in advance!
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If you want good specs but don't care about look and GUI, go for samsu phones.
But if you really want a classy GUI with very very few bugs..and a premium looking handset...Sony is the one.
I have used all the phones and after apple Sony makes best looking phones with premium quality GUI.
No offence to anyone..its my personal views.
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Look at all the phones coming out. Pick one that you can use for a few years. I am waiting for the mi-two to come out that will be my next phone selling price is about 320$ usd. Most specs packed into phones these days serve no real purpose other than to boost spec sheets and marketing. Getting a phone too big can become an annoyance pretty fast some may learn to adapt others may not. Same goes for too small. The ION is almost a perfect size for me although it could be on the sightly larger size. I wish phone manufactures would stick with making phones with three levels entry , mid and high end once every 12 months. I think they should say **** you to the phone carriers and not bend over to their bull ****. Phones should be pentaband 3g at least. Holds up on resell value if you do not want it any more. People are still offering me 100-200$ for my old school x10 and that has only three bands att frequencies I don't sell it because it is not worth that in the condition it is in. Sony can really hold its value on phones that people think are flagships like xperia s,t for some reason the ION is the sony underdog which I fail to find that many differences between it and the t series.
My next phone will be one of these
Xiaomi M2
Huawei p1 (although already getting kinda old)
or other if something cools comes my way
If you buying in a contract your kinda ****ed no carriers ever get cool phones really except one or two but typically they are lower specs than international versions as in the samsung s3 case ect.. When shopping I find it important to get one that has a good size and good battery none of the sony phones have all that high of a battery capacity.
But remember every thing in android is an app and can be modded or customized. It is always fun to get a device that is some what popular here in xda. XDA brings life to dull phones. But even with our ION phones being some what overlooked we still get some CM9 and CM10 as well as miui. So we can still have our fun. Watch the forums of the phones you like and see how busy they are. When looking at slate of glass phones all that is really different is size and battery life. When looking at end phones really. Price comes into play for those buying inside a contract. But outside all sony phones cost the same price so it is kinda strange to pick a phone. Check out youtube as well and find some hands on videos if your buying a phone that you never saw before. GSM arena is a good place to compare specs.

Thanks for the replies, as far as size goes, I'm 6-7, the bigger the phone the better.
I always read up on a phone before I buy one. Problem is you can't always go by the reviews. When I got my hd2, all the reviews gave it awesome marks. When I got it, it pretty much sucked. Went through 3 warranty exchanges before I slapped android on it and made good.
Guess I just want to know more about what real world users thought about Sony phones in general.
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The LT28 is my first Sony phone, but it won't be the last.....probably. If Sony phones continue with unlockable bootloaders in the US, then it's a good chance I'll look elsewhere at upgrade time. It all depends on what's available.
When I upgraded this last time, the only real options were the One X and the SG3, both looked and felt like kids toys to me. The Sony LT28 had the right price, the right specs and it's just a damned sexy phone.

What network do you plan on running with your new phone?
Tmobile only has 3g/hsdpa+ no 4g so if fast data is needed then att network is what you will want although their data plans suck at the moment. Tmobile is strange with their frequencies they can use 850 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100 depending on area and market. 850mhz is only used for roaming. When Tmobile starts their 4g network sometime in the next year or three they will use the 1700/2100mhz LTE channels.
ATT on the other hand will use 850/1900 mhz for 3g/hsdpa+ and for 4g they use 700mhz/1700/2100 for LTE .
ATT has a wider range but "lower" quality due to lower frequencies can travel further higher frequencies will yield better connections at the cost of range.
Knowing the frequency in which you plan to use you mobile phone on may help you choose the phone you want. It is one reason I picked the lt28h over the lt28i

I had an x10 for 2 years, the phones hardware quality, looks, and feel were great. The stock firmware lacked quality but development made it a very worth while phone. I now have the Ion, I think its awesome and honestly would not trade for a galaxy 3. The stock ics on the Ion looks amazing, but Im running miui as i was on my x10. The phone I wanted after the x10 was the Xperia Neo, but Ion was free and better.
Overall love how unique Sony phones are, but the mi-2 looks very promising despite no sd card expansion.
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Look at the Sony odis specs
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I really am leaning towards a Sony. I think what is going to be the selling point for me is a microsd slot. I just don't trust cloud storage.
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wolf0491 said:
Well looks like the TL will be on ATT for $100 on Novemeber second if you want that. Don't remember if it had Sd slot though
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Yes it does.
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Just on phone arena and while nothing is officially announced it looks like Sony is releasing 2 phones next year a 5" and a 6". Again it isn't official but my fingers are crossed. Link below
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/manufacturers/Sony/upcoming
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csandman1977 said:
Just on phone arena and while nothing is officially announced it looks like Sony is releasing 2 phones next year a 5" and a 6". Again it isn't official but my fingers are crossed. Link below
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/manufacturers/Sony/upcoming
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The 5" Odin will be released in the spring sometime unbranded. In fall they will have a new phone with AT&T that is supposed to be a carrier flagship but they haven't released anything on it.
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One thing to keep in mind with sony phones more so than others is that they do not pack in all frequencies so you have to make sure you match with your carrier so that you can get full function of the network your planning on using with their phones. T-mobile in usa has been claiming that in 2013 when they finally get 4g that phones will not be required to be upgraded to work with their 4g/lte network. But I do not believe that. ATT uses 1700 and 2100 lte frequencies so I guess the sony V may work in 4g with att in some area's where 2100 is more prominent. So just make sure that what ever phone you pick you match it up to the network your going to use. Unless you do not care about 3/4g then you can pretty much use what ever phone you like.

I'm hoping whatever phone they release will be available through at&t. As much as I hate being locked into a contract, I'm going to pay the bill regardless. I don't have 600 dollars to drop on an unlocked phone. Though I really wish I did.
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csandman1977 said:
I'm hoping whatever phone they release will be available through at&t. As much as I hate being locked into a contract, I'm going to pay the bill regardless. I don't have 600 dollars to drop on an unlocked phone. Though I really wish I did.
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Might want to look into the cost of things. Even with att cheapest data plans with text messages your looking at 80$/mo that is 1920$ after two years not including the taxes. +36$ activation fee plus 99$ for phone. so total after two years ends up being 2055$ minus taxes. This only gives you 300mbytes of data a locked bootloader and a lock sim and restrictions on tethering.
Now lets look at simple mobile which rides on t-mobiles network.
12$ sim card fee 50$ a month unlimited everything + a few free international minutes. brings us to a total of 1212$ so 2055-1212=843$ that you get to spend on a phone This will get you the same service that t-mobile has with a killer deal. And you will get a phone that you a free to do with what you want not ****ty locked bootloaders and locked sims. Resale value of factory unlocked phones is much higher than branded phones that had the sim unlocked. Granted right now the t mobile network is only 3g/hsdpa+ but 2013 should see lte speeds. Might want to think about that. I get right now 10-15Mbit speeds on t mobile which is slower than lte but I use wifi at home so I am good with that speed when i am out and about. If you were to compare the saving with the highest data plan that att had then you would save even more monies.

I have thought about switching to a monthly pay as you go plan. I haven't sat down and done the full math yet but I have 5 phones on my account. The way my plan is set up, I'm not paying too much more than the 250 I would pay going the monthly route. But right now if I'm late I don't get shut off. So there's that which is good since I've been having forced layoffs at work probably for the foreseeable future.
Again I'm still looking into that option.
I do want to thank everyone for there ideas and suggestions. Its much appreciated!
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if you like to play games and want a perfo phone don't but a sony. !

nemer12 said:
if you like to play games and want a perfo phone don't but a sony. !
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What? Care to explain that comment?
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nemer12 said:
if you like to play games and want a perfo phone don't but a sony. !
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Stupid dude, it depends on the processor and gpu, xperia z have the best on the market, xperias is also the most social phones ever made in history, with the best phone cameras too and musicplayback is top quality. Where can you ever find a phone with better sociality, performance and media than xperia? Xperia has also most extra functions than any other android, Sony is also best with development in case of stability and early beta releases
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Galaxy Nexus Verizon Exclusive

http://smartphones.verizonwireless.com/nexus/
that is all
Lucky es o bees...
malibu_23 said:
Lucky es o bees...
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For real. If Verizon gets this exclusively that'll be garbage.
Great, another outlet to throw away our privacy and give companies more of our information to use and sell, for the convenience of being quickly informed of when we can give them more of our money...
Lmao. I got duped on google nexus register. Samsung is sending advertiesments to me now. But no mention of nexus. The ole bait and switch just for advertising. Even lamer.
I voided my warranty and your nexus.
gogoplata1980 said:
For real. If Verizon gets this exclusively that'll be garbage.
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No worries, it will only be for like the first month... Also getting Razr presale emails... Why would I want that over the Nexus? Good luck competing.
B¡*n¡© Un£3AsH3d 2.0
Read it here:
http://www.tmonews.com/2011/10/gala...erizons-website-calls-galaxy-nexus-exclusive/
Being with t-mobile it sucks that some of us will have to wait longer.
Blow me verizon.
There's something incompatible btw the uber-controlling Verizon and the supposedly open dev nexus line.
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I am using a damn Samsung gravity. I sold my sensation for this crap. I am going to get amaze.
I just saw that. YOu know what? F*** google. They claim that they intend to do things differently, but then at the end of the day they sell out to the highest bidder.
I was a serious google fan, but the edges are starting to crack and it is slowly dawning on me that the innovative, fast moving company of the early 2000's is becoming a weighed down hegemony of bean counting MBA's who are starting to only get it right when they get lucky.
Exclusive on the most expensive carrier in the USA. The same carrier that replaced their search engine with Bing on 1/3 of their Android lineup. Not a word of it breathed at their week-late press conference. My own fault for getting my hopes up, I suppose.
I am due for a new phone around December/January and this will afford me the opportunity to take a good long look at what Windows phone has to offer before the Galaxy Nexus is even available to me.
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I just saw that. YOu know what? F*** google. They claim that they intend to do things differently, but then at the end of the day they sell out to the highest bidder.
I was a serious google fan, but the edges are starting to crack and it is slowly dawning on me that the innovative, fast moving company of the early 2000's is becoming a weighed down hegemony of bean counting MBA's who are starting to only get it right when they get lucky.
Exclusive on the most expensive carrier in the USA. The same carrier that replaced their search engine with Bing on 1/3 of their Android lineup. Not a word of it breathed at their week-late press conference. My own fault for getting my hopes up, I suppose.
I am due for a new phone around December/January and this will afford me the opportunity to take a good long look at what Windows phone has to offer before the Galaxy Nexus is even available to me.
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Don't feel bad. Just remember one thing. Google is a business company. They don't care about me and you. They support whoever pay more. I am going to get SGS2 or HTC Amaze. I don't have a choice and can't wait longer than the end of nov which is my upgrade time.
i used to be with Tmo but had to switch cause i got stationed in Montana, and now im kinda glad i did, even though I loved the big T
If tmobile is going to get it, they will mention this at the event on Friday. we will see.
Relax. I highly doubt its anything more than a timed exclusive. Both the nexus one and nexus s were only on one carrier originally.
And yes, if you were planning on getting the international one, i'm pretty sure it will still work on AT&T or T-Mo as long as the bands match up.
Well if they're pentaband then you could just buy the world phone model at full price and go. I think it only affects those looking to pick it up on a contract.
It is weird Verizon having a Nexus. Seem to clash together but my work has Verizon so why pay for a personal line?
G2x - 2.3.7 CM7
Transformer - 3.2 Revolver OC/UV
Bet you when they are referring to the 'exclusive' Galaxy Nexus they are only talking about the LTE model and all the others will get the pentaband one at pretty much the same time.
Just had a thought... I know it doesn't say it, but... maybe it word play. I mean they will be the exclusive carrier of the LTE version, but remember there's too versions. Hhhuuummmm
Stupid Samsung, why can't you just release carrier info. when you unveil it.
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Damn, beat me to it... we're on the same wave length though.
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Sp4rkR4t said:
Bet you when they are referring to the 'exclusive' Galaxy Nexus they are only talking about the LTE model and all the others will get the pentaband one at pretty much the same time.
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Hopefully you right. I think like you because there is no one point between tmo and vz. It's couple of weeks and we will see.
hanano17 said:
Relax. I highly doubt its anything more than a timed exclusive. Both the nexus one and nexus s were only on one carrier originally.
And yes, if you were planning on getting the international one, i'm pretty sure it will still work on AT&T or T-Mo as long as the bands match up.
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I'm not gonna act like I'm not disappointed they have exclusively, especially since the other Nexus phones started as exclusive to one carrier as well. I wish they would just drop the whole exclusivity thing and make it available to everyone day one as exclusivity only really hurts the consumer. No way I'm switching to Verizon for this phone. I'll either import or wait for the GSM version to hit the US (if it's not that long of a wait). It's really bad for the phone's sales too considering in the world of smartphones, the next big release is always right around the corner and you will lose a lot of potential customers who will get something else because they don't feel like waiting anymore or something else hits the market. The average consumer doesn't know care about the Nexus brand, they care about new and noteworthy so why not try to rope them in while the iron is hot?
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I'm almost certain 7 us carriers are getting the nexus
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[Q]Should I buy a GN now!

Hi guys!
I want to buy a new phone now. Currently I have a nexus s.And is the best phone that I had ever. I like the support that it have and to many choices that I have with Roms.
What is better now to buy a Galaxy Nexus or should I wait for Htc One X or Galaxy SIII?
Question really is. Do you like stock android, sense or touchwiz? And I think you already answered your question.
Well if u do end up getting a GN deal alert got the GN for 529.99 on both colors for 24 hour sale ....check it out maybe that will help ur decision
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I'm along with what the other user said ... if you like HTC Sense get the HTC One Series.. if you like Touchwiz stay with the Galaxy S line
Don't get a GS3 or HTC One and ask for AOSP ICS roms
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that's too easy, Galaxy Nexus of course!
YoungAceAtlanta said:
I'm along with what the other user said ... if you like HTC Sense get the HTC One Series.. if you like Touchwiz stay with the Galaxy S line
Don't get a GS3 or HTC One and ask for AOSP ICS roms
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This, other than screen choices Hardware wasn't a big deal breaker for me. I want the AOSP feel. I came for a Samsung Infuse 4g. I was tired of waiting around for development. When I was shopping for a new phone I checked out phones the the AT&T GSII, Skyrocket, ect. Sure they had some development, but not too much. So instead of getting another phone where I'd be at the mercy of Samsung and AT&T to get Rom updates. So I made the best decision ever for a phone. I bought me a Galaxy Nexus. Now I don't think I will ever not own a Nexus series phone.
Since you stated you already have a Nexus S, I bet it will be hard for you to got to anything else that will be locked down and skinned. You will probably have withdraws pretty quickly.
In short, unless you are all about the latest and greatest hardware then get a GN, or wait a year for the next Nexus phone.
Yeah I remember when I had a Nexus One and left it for a HTC Sense Device. I mean the Hero and Evo had a lot of development but its nothing like having international users which means more development than just people who have ATT or sprint etc.
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You can't compare the device available now to future technology. LOL.
Future phones are always better, at least in terms of specs, so there's no end to the wait. Also, you could never have THE best phone.
PS. If you love the Nexus family then you will love GNex.
I don't mean to intrude on this topic but I am also wondering the same thing, except I'm coming from a Samsung vibrant and I can't seem to choose whether I want to get the Verizon nexus or buy a GSM nexus. Switching carriers isn't a big deal to me. Both seem to have their ups and downs. Some input would really help me decide. Thanks and sorry for hijacking your topic lol I just figured it'd be better than starting a new topic.
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DontJoinTheDarkSide said:
I don't mean to intrude on this topic but I am also wondering the same thing, except I'm coming from a Samsung vibrant and I can't seem to choose whether I want to get the Verizon nexus or buy a GSM nexus. Switching carriers isn't a big deal to me. Both seem to have their ups and downs. Some input would really help me decide. Thanks and sorry for hijacking your topic lol I just figured it'd be better than starting a new topic.
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It really depends on you and your lifestyle. Like do you travel abroad a lot or do do you hate Verizon (lol)?
If you are in the country most of the time then I don't see why you would go through the trouble of getting an unlocked GSM GNex. They are essentially the same when it comes to end user experience.
DontJoinTheDarkSide said:
I don't mean to intrude on this topic but I am also wondering the same thing, except I'm coming from a Samsung vibrant and I can't seem to choose whether I want to get the Verizon nexus or buy a GSM nexus. Switching carriers isn't a big deal to me. Both seem to have their ups and downs. Some input would really help me decide. Thanks and sorry for hijacking your topic lol I just figured it'd be better than starting a new topic.
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I say get the GSM nexus.. well that's because I'm on ATT. And I travel a lot.. VZW pretty much a dead outside the States.. the only thing that sucks is no one sells accessories for the GSM version where I live .. and If it breaks or stop working att can't replace it
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What device you get really depends on what you want. With the Galaxy Nexus the hardware might not be as good as other devices, it is miles ahead as far a software goes considering the open nature and dev support. If you don't plan on taking advantage of that and are more concerned with hardware, then get something else. I was tempted by the hardware and went to the G2x and then the GS2, I came back to the Nexus line. I missed the customization I had with my G1 and Nexus One.
While the Galaxy Nexus may be a little behind as far a hardware, but is by no means poor. But with the open software and available drivers, the software is way ahead of other phones.
well lets see the reason I'm debating about the two is this:
Verizon Nexus:
Pros: Service overall in Los Angeles is better. True LTE speeds. And 32gb built in versus the 16gb GSM version. Can get it for $100 on amazon.
Cons: stuck with Verizon and no chance of getting service outside of the US. Monthly bill would be $50 more expensive. And the whole android support issue about source?
GSM NEXUS:
Pros: can use on my $45 T-Mobile plan with 2gbs of data or switch to any GSM carrier I want. Development seems to not be stunted. Never had a problem with service.
CONS: $500 and no local hardware support in case of a problem. 16gb versus the 32gb version.
Lol I can't choose.
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DontJoinTheDarkSide said:
well lets see the reason I'm debating about the two is this:
Verizon Nexus:
Pros: Service overall in Los Angeles is better. True LTE speeds. And 32gb built in versus the 16gb GSM version. Can get it for $100 on amazon.
Cons: stuck with Verizon and no chance of getting service outside of the US. Monthly bill would be $50 more expensive. And the whole android support issue about source?
GSM NEXUS:
Pros: can use on my $45 T-Mobile plan with 2gbs of data or switch to any GSM carrier I want. Development seems to not be stunted. Never had a problem with service.
CONS: $500 and no local hardware support in case of a problem. 16gb versus the 32gb version.
Lol I can't choose.
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So if it costs $50 a month more on Verizon, with a minimum of 24 months is $1200, or $400 more once for the GSM. Not too tough a decision, though the 32GB would be nice.
DontJoinTheDarkSide said:
well lets see the reason I'm debating about the two is this:
Verizon Nexus:
Pros: Service overall in Los Angeles is better. True LTE speeds. And 32gb built in versus the 16gb GSM version. Can get it for $100 on amazon.
Cons: stuck with Verizon and no chance of getting service outside of the US. Monthly bill would be $50 more expensive. And the whole android support issue about source?
GSM NEXUS:
Pros: can use on my $45 T-Mobile plan with 2gbs of data or switch to any GSM carrier I want. Development seems to not be stunted. Never had a problem with service.
CONS: $500 and no local hardware support in case of a problem. 16gb versus the 32gb version.
Lol I can't choose.
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I would say go with verizon, cause if anything does happen to the phone you'll be covered. The service is great waaaaay better than T-mobile, yea the bill will be a lil higher but you get what you pay for, dependable service. The thing about the support issue is irrelevant, the Nexus(GSM or CDMA) will still be waaaay ahead of any other phone and will continue to get updates rather is be OTA or here at XDA(the dev support on here don't seem like it will die down anytime soon, so you have nothing to worry about with this phone)
If I could go back 3-4 months (or whatever it was) I wouldn't buy a Gnex today. I'm a little disappointed in the lack of fixes from google. We've been officially on 4.0.2 for almost the whole time, while they seem to cater to carrier phones more (verizon gnex).
I see no point in getting a nexus if google puts their phone 2nd to carrier demands. verizon gnex gets fixes and more attention. At this point there are newer and better phones coming out, and the appeal of getting ICS first is over, especially when google doesn't release updates.
It's not like the GS3 won't see CM and a plethora of AOSP roms. How many non aosp roms do we have?
I'd wait for the gs3 at this stage of the game. They are talking about a simultaneous world wide release.
Verizon is about the same as sprint price wise. Assuming you aren't stupid enough to pay $20 for testing when you already pay for data. Use Google voice for texting and grove IP to stretch out your minutes. Add a corporate discount and it might be cheaper.
TMobile is a true value carrier but their service can get pretty ****ty.
It don't matter what phone you get.. You only going to be king of your neighborhood/office for only a couple of months.. Then the next big thing is coming.. Hell people already talking about a Galaxy Nexus 2. Thats the thing that sucks about android.. its never one good phone..
You can: Get a VZW Nexus on contract for 2 years and be stuck.. and then have to pay full retail for the next big thing. (Which already seem like the HTC One and GS3) BUT! No one knows if VZW is going to get the Galaxy Nexus 2. or any HTC One device or even a GS3.. And even when the GS3 come out you wont be able to get it on a carrier to probly 3 months after international release
Or you can: Get the GSM Nexus and always sell it in the next few weeks or month (Since the Galaxy Nexus resell value is about $450-$600 on ebay for a used one)
Plus you can get a Pre-paid carrier like Tmo as the other user said n have ****ty service... or just use ATT or rogers w/e you use and save yourself the upgrade fees and signing a new contract
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It don't matter what phone you get.. You only going to be king of your neighborhood/office for only a couple of months.. Then the next big thing is coming.. Hell people already talking about a Galaxy Nexus 2. Thats the thing that sucks about android.. its never one good phone..
You can: Get a VZW Nexus on contract for 2 years and be stuck.. and then have to pay full retail for the next big thing. (Which already seem like the HTC One and GS3) BUT! No one knows if VZW is going to get the Galaxy Nexus 2. or any HTC One device or even a GS3.. And even when the GS3 come out you wont be able to get it on a carrier to probly 3 months after international release
Or you can: Get the GSM Nexus and always sell it in the next few weeks or month (Since the Galaxy Nexus resell value is about $450-$600 on ebay for a used one)
Plus you can get a Pre-paid carrier like Tmo as the other user said n have ****ty service... or just use ATT or rogers w/e you use and save yourself the upgrade fees and signing a new contract
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correct buy gnexus already came out with a very outdated gpu. it's gonna feel like a dinosaur in a few months when the new generation of powervr come out.
I think OP should wait for a quad core phone with an updated gpu. it'll way more feature-proof than galaxy nexus.
The Galaxy Nexus will always be a great device to they release the next Nexus..because HTC sense will always suck.. (I don't believe those demos they showed ) and Touchwiz will always be late on updates from Samsung or lack support
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[Q] No nexus 4, now what?

Hey guys, mainly asking for your opinions so just let them fly.
I currently have a Thunderbolt and my contract is up at the end of November now I am trying to decide what to do next. I was fully anticipating going with the nexus 4 (I was prepared to never buy a non nexus device as long as Google keeps making them). Now that the nexus 4 will not be on Verizon and switching to at&t isn't an option since I get 25% off my bill through work, what would you guys do if you were in my situation? The Gnex is going to be cheap as hell when am eligible for an upgrade and am still considering it, should I be? Do you think Gnex development will slow down dramatically any time soon? I'd also hate to buy a phone with outdated hardware...do you guys run into hardware limitations withe the Gnex?
The only other phone that intrigues me is the galaxy s3. Mainly because it is so popular that I see there being a huge development opportunity there? I looked through the thread for the GS3 and it looks like there plenty of aosp roms and it looks to me like there will be quick updates for it as well. The biggest things I hate about the GS3 are the hardware buttons, I love the customisable soft keys in aosp and think that hard keys are so pointless anymore.
I'm pretty much against moto but if you really think I should look at something they have to offer, let me know.
Any thoughts and opinions are appreciated, thanks in advance.
pmr5019 said:
Hey guys, mainly asking for your opinions so just let them fly.
I currently have a Thunderbolt and my contract is up at the end of November now I am trying to decide what to do next. I was fully anticipating going with the nexus 4 (I was prepared to never buy a non nexus device as long as Google keeps making them). Now that the nexus 4 will not be on Verizon and switching to at&t isn't an option since I get 25% off my bill through work, what would you guys do if you were in my situation? The Gnex is going to be cheap as hell when am eligible for an upgrade and am still considering it, should I be? Do you think Gnex development will slow down dramatically any time soon? I'd also hate to buy a phone with outdated hardware...do you guys run into hardware limitations withe the Gnex?
The only other phone that intrigues me is the galaxy s3. Mainly because it is so popular that I see there being a huge development opportunity there? I looked through the thread for the GS3 and it looks like there plenty of aosp roms and it looks to me like there will be quick updates for it as well. The biggest things I hate about the GS3 are the hardware buttons, I love the customisable soft keys in aosp and think that hard keys are so pointless anymore.
I'm pretty much against moto but if you really think I should look at something they have to offer, let me know.
Any thoughts and opinions are appreciated, thanks in advance.
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My advice? Wait and watch. See how the N4 actually pans out as a device itself. It could be a hardware flop for all we know at this point. There were certainly fun hardware issues with the Gnex.
Then wait a bit longer for the HTC DNA. It might turn out to be a barnburner, or something to burn the barn with.
Then make a decision.
I'm not sure if the Moto RAZR i or HD is a good option or not for you.
Its up on you dude. go out & explore something new and one more thing that the GS3 is a pretty good option.
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I would wait if I where u. If u really need a new phone I would say the galaxy as 3 is a good choice. I have the gnex with Verizon and I love it. I dont have no issues at all my signal is always good i dont drop any calls or never go into 3g lol. (Must be my area i live in) Only problem I see u having is the storage capacity. The gnex on Verizon is now offered with only 16GB. No more 32GB. But as stated before, wait it out a few more months and see what's around the corner. If anything get a used nexus from craigslist for like 250 bucks to hold u over. That way up don't waist your upgrade on a phone u might regret
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25% off of Verizon's prices is still more expensive then Straight Talk or T-Mobile prepaid.... why not get a Nexus 4 anyway and stop signing contracts?
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25% off of Verizon's prices is still more expensive then Straight Talk or T-Mobile prepaid.... why not get a Nexus 4 anyway and stop signing contracts?
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The answer for most people? Coverage.
Coverage, Coverage, Coverage.
If you have a Thunderbolt, that means you still have unlimited data right? So if you're planning on buying a Nexus anyway, you might as well just find an unlocked one (i've seen used ones for ~$150-250) so that you won't have to upgrade. If I remember correctly (and I might be wrong), but Verizon only takes away the unlimited data when you try to upgrade.
No offense, but then he'd be stuck with T-Mobile's network and current lack of LTE. I root for T-Mobile; however, I was miserable when I was using them in suburban Denver, due to relatively inconsistent/slow data.
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No offense, but then he'd be stuck with T-Mobile's network and current lack of LTE. I root for T-Mobile; however, I was miserable when I was using them in suburban Denver, due to relatively inconsistent/slow data.
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You can use AT&T's towers via Straight Talk if T-Mobile isn't great for your area. AT&T's HSPA+ network is pretty expansive.
Also, he wouldn't be "stuck" with anything - he could take the SIM card out and flush it down the toilet if the service bothers him. That's the beauty of not having a contract
I had the gnex on Verizon and loved it, except for one crucial issue-battery life. Sure, this was remedied somewhat by getting spare batteries, but this got to be a pain in the ass.
I currently have the Verizon SIII and love it (I find the dev community to be more than adequate). Yet I agree that it is worth waiting for the inevitable next greatest thing. The DNA does look to be badass
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Yeah the main reason why I stay with Verizon is coverage and my discount. At&t is the only other viable option, all the others are spotty at best around where I live.
Yeah I never thought of trying to get a gnex off contract. That would probly be the best option seeing that I'm getting married in June and will most likely have to revamp my plan for me and the wife anyway.
My friend just got the s3, he doesn't root or anything like I do but I can still bug him about the battery life at least.
My Thunderbolt has spoken.
Step 1: Buy Straight Talk AT&T Sim
Step 2: Buy Nexus 4
Step 3: Drop Verizon
Step 4: Save money
Step 5: ????
Step 6: ... CONTINUE TO SAAAAVE
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iArtisan said:
Step 1: Buy Straight Talk AT&T Sim
Step 2: Buy Nexus 4
Step 3: Drop Verizon
Step 4: Save money
Step 5: ????
Step 6: ... CONTINUE TO SAAAAVE
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I've only ever dealt with Verizon so can you include a few more details? Isn't straight talk sprint, but you're saying at&t sim?
My Thunderbolt has spoken.
The only way I'll be buying a Nexus 4 is if it's gifted to me.
I honestly want to wait it out for MWC and HTC's 2013 lineup.
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I had the gnex on Verizon and loved it, except for one crucial issue-battery life. Sure, this was remedied somewhat by getting spare batteries, but this got to be a pain in the ass.
I currently have the Verizon SIII and love it (I find the dev community to be more than adequate). Yet I agree that it is worth waiting for the inevitable next greatest thing. The DNA does look to be badass
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I'm not real big on the next best thing, the S3 would be in that category for me. Do you stick with touchwiz ROMs or aosp (or aokp)?
I have a sour taste in my mouth for HTC and I'm sick of waiting. I thought I waited for the next best thing with the Tbolt when I was coming from the OG droid. Samsung at least gets it right with their flagship devices. They don't come out with almost an identical phone but with more bugs worked out 3 months later.
I'll wait till Christmas and see what all comes but that's as long as I'll wait.
My Thunderbolt has spoken.
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The only way I'll be buying a Nexus 4 is if it's gifted to me.
I honestly want to wait it out for MWC and HTC's 2013 lineup.
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How do you buy something gifted to you?
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I've only ever dealt with Verizon so can you include a few more details? Isn't straight talk sprint, but you're saying at&t sim?
My Thunderbolt has spoken.
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Straight talk offers an AT&T SIM that gives you unlimited* everything for $45/mo. I think it's actually their most popular plan.
*2-5gb of data before they start to nag, depending on how the stars align for you. Since, you know, unlimited is never actually unlimited in the US anymore...
If you are only with verizon because of the discount, try calling up another phone company and see if they can match the offer or sweeten the pot for you. My brother gets a corporate discount with Bell (here in Canada) and so he called up Rogers (who he's with), and told them that he can get such and such plan for such and such price and asked if he can match it otherwise he'd switch. I forget the specifics of what he got but he was able to get a discount because of it.
Otherwise, just wait like many others said. Perhaps you can get a sweeter phone than the nexus.
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don't be annoying like that
To OP: I'm in a similar situation actually, except that I use a GNex right now instead of a TurdBolt. Nobody knows if a Nexus 4 will come to VZN, but I'd probably just buy a GNex until something better rolls around later. And if you do have unlimited data, DO NOT UPGRADE! I cannot fathom losing my unlimited data at this point of my spoiled-data-consumption life. And the development for the VZN GNex is pretty healthy actually. Nothing to complain about, especially when you know you have a reliable connection at the end of the day.
I'm in agreement there, I dumped my tbolt for a gnex and it was a huge step up. You can grab one for fairly cheap off contract now too. I have little to complain about besides battery being a moderate problem. It still beats the tbolt for battery life by quite a bit though, and has given me better data reception. My main urge to upgrade is called 'upgraditis'. For now I'll be trying to treat the symptoms.

{Rumor} T-Mobile US may announce Iphone Next Month?

Thoughts?
http://www.tmonews.com/2012/11/t-mobile-to-announce-imminent-iphone-arrival-next-week/
Well, here’s a story we didn’t see coming, especially not on the heels of the last T-Mobile’s COO comments regarding the iPhone last week. According to Merrill Lynch analyst Scott Craig, “speculation is heightening” that Deutsche Telekom will announce the imminent arrival of the iPhone for its company’s US unit during next week’s analyst day meetings. The meetings, scheduled for December 6th and 7th would be an unusual place for such an announcement given that Apple likes to be involved with high-profile launches. However, the iPhone’s launch on smaller, regional players has also been without the usual Apple fanfare so there is some precedence for the opposite to be true.
The arrival of the iPhone on T-Mobile would give Apple access to 98% of the nations post-paid wireless subscribers with an additional 33 million potential customers.
We’ve seen plenty of analyst statements pop up speculating on the iPhone’s arrival on T-Mobile, but few analyst comments have been so specific with a time and date. It’ll be interesting to see how this one plays out.
What are your personal Thoughts? More So about T-mobile NOT the Iphone.. I was curious how development felt about this..
What will this do to the Network? Speeds? Coverage? Prices?!
More power to them. This will allow them to gain more customers by appealing to a wider base and will result for them to put more pressure on their LTE network. Tmobiles still in this race. Before I feared they might die out.
T-Mobile has the best and cheapest plans in my opinion. The only thing really lacking is the quality of their network overall. Which is hopefully going to change soon
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This is related to the s3 how?
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Lol don't matter to me I hsd an iPhone waiting on my S3 to come in. That thing is a piece of crap and it's made of glass barely dropped it and it spider webbed.
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Hopefully they're planning on revamping their network so all the iSheep don't bog it down when they switch from other carriers to save money. I forsee Tmobile raising their prices if they get the iphone.
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Hopefully they're planning on revamping their network so all the iSheep don't bog it down when they switch from other carriers to save money. I forsee Tmobile raising their prices if they get the iphone.
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I agree. If T-mobile raises their prices, then I will definitely be switching to Att or Verizon. T-mobile's network is by far the worst in upstate NY, but their prices are what kept me interested. Let's hope this is only a rumor....
My co-worker has an iPhone 4S, told me his boss is getting iPhone 5s for his whole team and he's so bummed because he wanted an S3 instead but the boss will prol. say no since they just got the 5s...
He's jealous of my: bigger screen, Swype keyboard (Android 4.2 KB at the moment), MUCH better battery life, nice rounded back with the Fosmon TPU case is sweet (I don't even worry anymore when I drop my phone)...
Hehe, he gets mad whenever I show him something new on my S3 like the 4.2 Sphere camera or I show him how I'm still at 60% battery at the end of the day without bothering to plug it in for a little more juice every time I sit down at my desk.
So, yea, I want an iPhone 5 - but only as a second phone so that I can know iOS well when I need to support a client w/an iPhone, not as my "DD" #1 phone 'cause that's gonna stay Android (or some other flavor of Linux type OS that's not closed up by Apple).
Who cares about an I phone... My sister just got one on att, played around with it... And I cannot see my self using an I phone lol no way in hell.
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This is related to the s3 how?
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"IF" this does happen could you imagine the amount of iphone users that will be switching from 2g/3g coverage over to the network. Let along T-mobile claims that they already have more than a million iphones now. I think it will pull our network down significantly.
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Hopefully they're planning on revamping their network so all the iSheep don't bog it down when they switch from other carriers to save money. I forsee Tmobile raising their prices if they get the iphone.
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the second part of this, will happen inevitably. more traffic = more people using data = required network expansion = higher MRC for their customers
honestly, there WILL be a day when people are treated by carriers much like banks treat people who take out loans on houses, etc... the reason? it becomes a necessity by consumers - a required aspect of your daily routine. what are you going to do? start sending hand written letters? no. you will use the most convenient resource you have.
let's see if i can muster up an analogy here that would help get my point across regarding where mobile technology is headed:
Banks: own your house if you have a loan. have you by the balls, literally. you pay it, or you live outside. houses, are a necessity.
who are the ONLY people not being manhandled by the banks? people that already have it paid off. typically older people who are settled down.
Phone companies: own your cell phone service. have you by the balls. you pay it, or you no longer have it. cell phones, mobile technology, mobile networks - quickly becoming a way of life. you are looked at like you are a freak if you do not access internet on the go. who are the ONLY people that are not going to be manhandled by carriers in 10 years? when your desktop, laptop, etc... is now obsolete? the people who are on OLD ASS PHONE PLANS with unlimited call/text/DATAAAA.....
look at the average size of android app from 2009 to now, OS gets bigger, apps get bigger, network capacity has a need to be maximized. who will pay for that? people on t mobile's pay as you go plans? no. people who are getting SUCKED into "service agreements"....
want to be smart and prepare for doomsday? in a way that is comparable to the housing market plummeting? get on an unlimited call, text, and 4g plan now. and never buy another phone from a t mobile store ever again.
you will be one of those folks sitting in their nice pretty little classic looking cottage, all paid off, and you will be paying 79.99 a month for such service when others are paying 150...
just sayin.
oh, and rant over. but so true. watch
I like the iphone. There I said it :0
I like ios because it is very well designed and visually appealing. Most of the apps are more visually appealing than android apps.
I also like android for what I can do with it. I can make it look visually appealing, but most of the apps on the market are still hideous. I'm just waiting on android to catch up to apple and have the same sort of guidelines apple has to make apps look sort of decent.
Like some others in this thread said: More power to them.
For me though, I made the choice to dump them and abandon my iPhone, I just hope that T-Mobile prepares their network accordingly BEFORE the flock arrives.
Probably just taking advantage of the fact that Apple is now selling unlocked iphones in usa now.
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the second part of this, will happen inevitably. more traffic = more people using data = required network expansion = higher MRC for their customers
honestly, there WILL be a day when people are treated by carriers much like banks treat people who take out loans on houses, etc... the reason? it becomes a necessity by consumers - a required aspect of your daily routine. what are you going to do? start sending hand written letters? no. you will use the most convenient resource you have.
let's see if i can muster up an analogy here that would help get my point across regarding where mobile technology is headed:
Banks: own your house if you have a loan. have you by the balls, literally. you pay it, or you live outside. houses, are a necessity.
who are the ONLY people not being manhandled by the banks? people that already have it paid off. typically older people who are settled down.
Phone companies: own your cell phone service. have you by the balls. you pay it, or you no longer have it. cell phones, mobile technology, mobile networks - quickly becoming a way of life. you are looked at like you are a freak if you do not access internet on the go. who are the ONLY people that are not going to be manhandled by carriers in 10 years? when your desktop, laptop, etc... is now obsolete? the people who are on OLD ASS PHONE PLANS with unlimited call/text/DATAAAA.....
look at the average size of android app from 2009 to now, OS gets bigger, apps get bigger, network capacity has a need to be maximized. who will pay for that? people on t mobile's pay as you go plans? no. people who are getting SUCKED into "service agreements"....
want to be smart and prepare for doomsday? in a way that is comparable to the housing market plummeting? get on an unlimited call, text, and 4g plan now. and never buy another phone from a t mobile store ever again.
you will be one of those folks sitting in their nice pretty little classic looking cottage, all paid off, and you will be paying 79.99 a month for such service when others are paying 150...
just sayin.
oh, and rant over. but so true. watch
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LOL this is funny and very believable. im starting to look at my old G2x and thinking "well looks like its going to be me and you old friend til the end"! lol. I refuse to pay more!
Even if T-Mobile does get the iphone I don't forsee a large increase if any. T-Mobile is not in any position to raise prices being 4 in line. I just hope the network doesnt getting bogged down although that is a reality. T-Mobile may not have the coverage of Verizon/AT&T but they have pretty fast data if you are in theie general 3/hapsa+ network.
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http://forum.iphone-developers.com
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http://forum.iphone-developers.com
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Although this is not directly related to the s3, it has nothing to do with the development of the iphone. It's more so news about Tmobile and the Tmobile network, which the s3 runs on, so in turn can be affected.
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Doubt it. T-Mobile recently said they don't offer the iPhone because it would cost them money due to Apples terms.
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I consider myself a pretty run of the mill user. I don't tether data, have no need to. I've been with T-Mobile for a long time. And using iPhones.
AT&T with its new shared data plan is very comparable price wise, especially with multiple family lines.
Our 4 line T-Mobile plan can now be had on AT&T for about the same money.
My point? It might be to little to late for T-Mobile to be bringing the iPhone.....now.
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This is a Galaxy S3 general forum as someone already pointed out.
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S2 used value has turned into zilch

Just wanted to topic and get opinions on what people forsee the value of their epic touch as a used device or even still like New in box ...to me its discust to see what poeple would like to get and what people offer $cash wise.....for this device ...with generally seeing it around 150-180 used $people offer 80-100$ all day ..
Just a yr ago couldnt get one for under 350$ has the value really dropped,is it that crappy of a phone?
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Well its now 2 generations behind. So yeah that factor comes into play a lot. Those upper end prices are usually only at those shoddy resale shops. For instance my aunt just bought the boost s2 for 350$ from this shop and it sucks. He sold it new when it was clearly used and the service is awful.
Sorry for going on a tangent. But yeah with the s4 now out, why would anyone want to buy an s2, even used. The only people I could see that would possibly want it now are developers for use as a dev phone.
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It's not a crap phone, just dated. It was a great phone when it was introduced, but technology marches on. That's how it works with electronics.
It's competing against the s3, the note 2, and now the s4.
The good news is more devs can get their hands on the s2 for cheap money. They'll keep this phone fresh for a while longer for sure...
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I'll probably just put a 64GB card in mine and use it as a MP3 player. Way more storage and cheaper than a iPod.
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I'll probably just put a 64GB card in mine and use it as a MP3 player. Way more storage and cheaper than a iPod.
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I'm gonna throw an hdmi adapter & a Bluetooth mouse and keyboard and turn mine into a desktop computer.... Love the ET4G/GS2...
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I disagree. The phone may be dated but it definitely holds up. If it wasn't worth the time then why is anyone doing development work with it? The S2 is a solid phone period. As far as Boost goes. It is OK for the money. It works for me.
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This phone still holds its own very well. So does the Captivate and the HTC Inspire 4g, for a few examples. The EOL for Android phones that are set by the manufacturers and carriers mean nothing. EOL is what we make them as developers and power users.
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This phone still holds its own very well. So does the Captivate and the HTC Inspire 4g, for a few examples. The EOL for Android phones that are set by the manufacturers and carriers mean nothing. EOL is what we make them as developers and power users.
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WORD!
I sold my brothers E4GT couple of weeks ago with a busted ear jack/vibration motor for 140$! =)
Febby said:
WORD!
I sold my brothers E4GT couple of weeks ago with a busted ear jack/vibration motor for 140$! =)
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I would have to say the person you sold it to paid too much. It should have been perfect with box, charger etc for that price. While these are still good phones being wimax is what really kills them. Lte is the only way to go if you are buying now.
I think my biggest issue with this phone is within the Sprint branding.
For whatever reason, they made it really hard on the devs. I'm thinking back to the emmc brick bug and the fact that we've never been officially supported by cm.
Otherwise it's a good phone, but those issues have been frustrating.
Might be picking up the S4 today. From what I hear, it's an awesome upgrade from this phone. It's fun to do upgrades every other generation.
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People are beginning to wise up when it comes to phone purchases. You really can't do anything with a second hand epic touch other than put it back on sprint. At this point most people can get an s3 or better for free as an upgrade on a line so why buy an epic touch? A sim card phone for tmobile, simple mobile, straight talk etc is worth much more. The epic touch is basically a good but dead phone.
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People are beginning to wise up when it comes to phone purchases. You really can't do anything with a second hand epic touch other than put it back on sprint. At this point most people can get an s3 or better for free as an upgrade on a line so why buy an epic touch? A sim card phone for tmobile, simple mobile, straight talk etc is worth much more. The epic touch is basically a good but dead phone.
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I doubt know if that's entirely true. There are a lot of people that like to buy from Craigslist or eBay, and this phone is a good deal. Plus, there will be the Virgin Mobile crowd as well.
I do agree though, if I had a low end phone and was looking to upgrade and had a little money to spend, I would at least look at the S3. But I know many people that don't even look at specs when buying smart phones. They just want to be able to use Facebook and track sports scores and not much else. I'm taking about the people that are completely happy with their Samsung Intercept. Lol!
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I doubt know if that's entirely true. There are a lot of people that like to buy from Craigslist or eBay, and this phone is a good deal. Plus, there will be the Virgin Mobile crowd as well.
I do agree though, if I had a low end phone and was looking to upgrade and had a little money to spend, I would at least look at the S3. But I know many people that don't even look at specs when buying smart phones. They just want to be able to use Facebook and track sports scores and not much else. I'm taking about the people that are completely happy with their Samsung Intercept. Lol!
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I agree, it's a great phone to buy, it's just not a great phone to sell.
If someone w/o insurance trashes or loses their phone before they are upgrade-eligible, they're not going to want to pay full price for a new, non-subsidized phone. Used GSM phones tend saturate the market because they can be unlocked and used with any GSM carrier. CDMA phones, however, are restricted to a particular carrier's network, so used CDMA phones should have somewhat higher resale value.
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If someone w/o insurance trashes or loses their phone before they are upgrade-eligible, they're not going to want to pay full price for a new, non-subsidized phone. Used GSM phones tend saturate the market because they can be unlocked and used with any GSM carrier. CDMA phones, however, are restricted to a particular carrier's network, so used CDMA phones should have somewhat higher resale value.
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Just the opposite actually, an unlocked gsm phone gives you options, a cdma phone gives you almost no options. You need that one sprint or ting buyer vs many tmobile, att, simple mobile etc, buyers.
its a great phone, and with options like Ting, boost, virgin, i'm sure there are others out there...
but in anycase these are value minded people and at least in the ting side of things, i see lots of people willing to root/rom/etc in their forums and help others do the same to get the most out of the phones.
i'll be here for a while, and i do want to learn on being a dev and this will be the phone i do it on, though i might pick up a second one that i can break
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Just the opposite actually, an unlocked gsm phone gives you options, a cdma phone gives you almost no options. You need that one sprint or ting buyer vs many tmobile, att, simple mobile etc, buyers.
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I hadn't thought of it that way. I took a quick look at swappa and couldn't easily tell who's right (it was a really quick look). I don't have anything to back up my position, so I'm just going to retract my statement and wonder about this.

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