Just wanted to topic and get opinions on what people forsee the value of their epic touch as a used device or even still like New in box ...to me its discust to see what poeple would like to get and what people offer $cash wise.....for this device ...with generally seeing it around 150-180 used $people offer 80-100$ all day ..
Just a yr ago couldnt get one for under 350$ has the value really dropped,is it that crappy of a phone?
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Well its now 2 generations behind. So yeah that factor comes into play a lot. Those upper end prices are usually only at those shoddy resale shops. For instance my aunt just bought the boost s2 for 350$ from this shop and it sucks. He sold it new when it was clearly used and the service is awful.
Sorry for going on a tangent. But yeah with the s4 now out, why would anyone want to buy an s2, even used. The only people I could see that would possibly want it now are developers for use as a dev phone.
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It's not a crap phone, just dated. It was a great phone when it was introduced, but technology marches on. That's how it works with electronics.
It's competing against the s3, the note 2, and now the s4.
The good news is more devs can get their hands on the s2 for cheap money. They'll keep this phone fresh for a while longer for sure...
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I'll probably just put a 64GB card in mine and use it as a MP3 player. Way more storage and cheaper than a iPod.
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I'll probably just put a 64GB card in mine and use it as a MP3 player. Way more storage and cheaper than a iPod.
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I'm gonna throw an hdmi adapter & a Bluetooth mouse and keyboard and turn mine into a desktop computer.... Love the ET4G/GS2...
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I disagree. The phone may be dated but it definitely holds up. If it wasn't worth the time then why is anyone doing development work with it? The S2 is a solid phone period. As far as Boost goes. It is OK for the money. It works for me.
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This phone still holds its own very well. So does the Captivate and the HTC Inspire 4g, for a few examples. The EOL for Android phones that are set by the manufacturers and carriers mean nothing. EOL is what we make them as developers and power users.
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This phone still holds its own very well. So does the Captivate and the HTC Inspire 4g, for a few examples. The EOL for Android phones that are set by the manufacturers and carriers mean nothing. EOL is what we make them as developers and power users.
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WORD!
I sold my brothers E4GT couple of weeks ago with a busted ear jack/vibration motor for 140$! =)
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WORD!
I sold my brothers E4GT couple of weeks ago with a busted ear jack/vibration motor for 140$! =)
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I would have to say the person you sold it to paid too much. It should have been perfect with box, charger etc for that price. While these are still good phones being wimax is what really kills them. Lte is the only way to go if you are buying now.
I think my biggest issue with this phone is within the Sprint branding.
For whatever reason, they made it really hard on the devs. I'm thinking back to the emmc brick bug and the fact that we've never been officially supported by cm.
Otherwise it's a good phone, but those issues have been frustrating.
Might be picking up the S4 today. From what I hear, it's an awesome upgrade from this phone. It's fun to do upgrades every other generation.
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People are beginning to wise up when it comes to phone purchases. You really can't do anything with a second hand epic touch other than put it back on sprint. At this point most people can get an s3 or better for free as an upgrade on a line so why buy an epic touch? A sim card phone for tmobile, simple mobile, straight talk etc is worth much more. The epic touch is basically a good but dead phone.
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People are beginning to wise up when it comes to phone purchases. You really can't do anything with a second hand epic touch other than put it back on sprint. At this point most people can get an s3 or better for free as an upgrade on a line so why buy an epic touch? A sim card phone for tmobile, simple mobile, straight talk etc is worth much more. The epic touch is basically a good but dead phone.
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I doubt know if that's entirely true. There are a lot of people that like to buy from Craigslist or eBay, and this phone is a good deal. Plus, there will be the Virgin Mobile crowd as well.
I do agree though, if I had a low end phone and was looking to upgrade and had a little money to spend, I would at least look at the S3. But I know many people that don't even look at specs when buying smart phones. They just want to be able to use Facebook and track sports scores and not much else. I'm taking about the people that are completely happy with their Samsung Intercept. Lol!
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I doubt know if that's entirely true. There are a lot of people that like to buy from Craigslist or eBay, and this phone is a good deal. Plus, there will be the Virgin Mobile crowd as well.
I do agree though, if I had a low end phone and was looking to upgrade and had a little money to spend, I would at least look at the S3. But I know many people that don't even look at specs when buying smart phones. They just want to be able to use Facebook and track sports scores and not much else. I'm taking about the people that are completely happy with their Samsung Intercept. Lol!
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I agree, it's a great phone to buy, it's just not a great phone to sell.
If someone w/o insurance trashes or loses their phone before they are upgrade-eligible, they're not going to want to pay full price for a new, non-subsidized phone. Used GSM phones tend saturate the market because they can be unlocked and used with any GSM carrier. CDMA phones, however, are restricted to a particular carrier's network, so used CDMA phones should have somewhat higher resale value.
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If someone w/o insurance trashes or loses their phone before they are upgrade-eligible, they're not going to want to pay full price for a new, non-subsidized phone. Used GSM phones tend saturate the market because they can be unlocked and used with any GSM carrier. CDMA phones, however, are restricted to a particular carrier's network, so used CDMA phones should have somewhat higher resale value.
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Just the opposite actually, an unlocked gsm phone gives you options, a cdma phone gives you almost no options. You need that one sprint or ting buyer vs many tmobile, att, simple mobile etc, buyers.
its a great phone, and with options like Ting, boost, virgin, i'm sure there are others out there...
but in anycase these are value minded people and at least in the ting side of things, i see lots of people willing to root/rom/etc in their forums and help others do the same to get the most out of the phones.
i'll be here for a while, and i do want to learn on being a dev and this will be the phone i do it on, though i might pick up a second one that i can break
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Just the opposite actually, an unlocked gsm phone gives you options, a cdma phone gives you almost no options. You need that one sprint or ting buyer vs many tmobile, att, simple mobile etc, buyers.
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I hadn't thought of it that way. I took a quick look at swappa and couldn't easily tell who's right (it was a really quick look). I don't have anything to back up my position, so I'm just going to retract my statement and wonder about this.
Related
http://smartphones.verizonwireless.com/nexus/
that is all
Lucky es o bees...
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Lucky es o bees...
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For real. If Verizon gets this exclusively that'll be garbage.
Great, another outlet to throw away our privacy and give companies more of our information to use and sell, for the convenience of being quickly informed of when we can give them more of our money...
Lmao. I got duped on google nexus register. Samsung is sending advertiesments to me now. But no mention of nexus. The ole bait and switch just for advertising. Even lamer.
I voided my warranty and your nexus.
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For real. If Verizon gets this exclusively that'll be garbage.
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No worries, it will only be for like the first month... Also getting Razr presale emails... Why would I want that over the Nexus? Good luck competing.
B¡*n¡© Un£3AsH3d 2.0
Read it here:
http://www.tmonews.com/2011/10/gala...erizons-website-calls-galaxy-nexus-exclusive/
Being with t-mobile it sucks that some of us will have to wait longer.
Blow me verizon.
There's something incompatible btw the uber-controlling Verizon and the supposedly open dev nexus line.
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I am using a damn Samsung gravity. I sold my sensation for this crap. I am going to get amaze.
I just saw that. YOu know what? F*** google. They claim that they intend to do things differently, but then at the end of the day they sell out to the highest bidder.
I was a serious google fan, but the edges are starting to crack and it is slowly dawning on me that the innovative, fast moving company of the early 2000's is becoming a weighed down hegemony of bean counting MBA's who are starting to only get it right when they get lucky.
Exclusive on the most expensive carrier in the USA. The same carrier that replaced their search engine with Bing on 1/3 of their Android lineup. Not a word of it breathed at their week-late press conference. My own fault for getting my hopes up, I suppose.
I am due for a new phone around December/January and this will afford me the opportunity to take a good long look at what Windows phone has to offer before the Galaxy Nexus is even available to me.
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I just saw that. YOu know what? F*** google. They claim that they intend to do things differently, but then at the end of the day they sell out to the highest bidder.
I was a serious google fan, but the edges are starting to crack and it is slowly dawning on me that the innovative, fast moving company of the early 2000's is becoming a weighed down hegemony of bean counting MBA's who are starting to only get it right when they get lucky.
Exclusive on the most expensive carrier in the USA. The same carrier that replaced their search engine with Bing on 1/3 of their Android lineup. Not a word of it breathed at their week-late press conference. My own fault for getting my hopes up, I suppose.
I am due for a new phone around December/January and this will afford me the opportunity to take a good long look at what Windows phone has to offer before the Galaxy Nexus is even available to me.
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Don't feel bad. Just remember one thing. Google is a business company. They don't care about me and you. They support whoever pay more. I am going to get SGS2 or HTC Amaze. I don't have a choice and can't wait longer than the end of nov which is my upgrade time.
i used to be with Tmo but had to switch cause i got stationed in Montana, and now im kinda glad i did, even though I loved the big T
If tmobile is going to get it, they will mention this at the event on Friday. we will see.
Relax. I highly doubt its anything more than a timed exclusive. Both the nexus one and nexus s were only on one carrier originally.
And yes, if you were planning on getting the international one, i'm pretty sure it will still work on AT&T or T-Mo as long as the bands match up.
Well if they're pentaband then you could just buy the world phone model at full price and go. I think it only affects those looking to pick it up on a contract.
It is weird Verizon having a Nexus. Seem to clash together but my work has Verizon so why pay for a personal line?
G2x - 2.3.7 CM7
Transformer - 3.2 Revolver OC/UV
Bet you when they are referring to the 'exclusive' Galaxy Nexus they are only talking about the LTE model and all the others will get the pentaband one at pretty much the same time.
Just had a thought... I know it doesn't say it, but... maybe it word play. I mean they will be the exclusive carrier of the LTE version, but remember there's too versions. Hhhuuummmm
Stupid Samsung, why can't you just release carrier info. when you unveil it.
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Damn, beat me to it... we're on the same wave length though.
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Bet you when they are referring to the 'exclusive' Galaxy Nexus they are only talking about the LTE model and all the others will get the pentaband one at pretty much the same time.
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Hopefully you right. I think like you because there is no one point between tmo and vz. It's couple of weeks and we will see.
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Relax. I highly doubt its anything more than a timed exclusive. Both the nexus one and nexus s were only on one carrier originally.
And yes, if you were planning on getting the international one, i'm pretty sure it will still work on AT&T or T-Mo as long as the bands match up.
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I'm not gonna act like I'm not disappointed they have exclusively, especially since the other Nexus phones started as exclusive to one carrier as well. I wish they would just drop the whole exclusivity thing and make it available to everyone day one as exclusivity only really hurts the consumer. No way I'm switching to Verizon for this phone. I'll either import or wait for the GSM version to hit the US (if it's not that long of a wait). It's really bad for the phone's sales too considering in the world of smartphones, the next big release is always right around the corner and you will lose a lot of potential customers who will get something else because they don't feel like waiting anymore or something else hits the market. The average consumer doesn't know care about the Nexus brand, they care about new and noteworthy so why not try to rope them in while the iron is hot?
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I'm almost certain 7 us carriers are getting the nexus
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Hi guys!
I want to buy a new phone now. Currently I have a nexus s.And is the best phone that I had ever. I like the support that it have and to many choices that I have with Roms.
What is better now to buy a Galaxy Nexus or should I wait for Htc One X or Galaxy SIII?
Question really is. Do you like stock android, sense or touchwiz? And I think you already answered your question.
Well if u do end up getting a GN deal alert got the GN for 529.99 on both colors for 24 hour sale ....check it out maybe that will help ur decision
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I'm along with what the other user said ... if you like HTC Sense get the HTC One Series.. if you like Touchwiz stay with the Galaxy S line
Don't get a GS3 or HTC One and ask for AOSP ICS roms
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that's too easy, Galaxy Nexus of course!
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I'm along with what the other user said ... if you like HTC Sense get the HTC One Series.. if you like Touchwiz stay with the Galaxy S line
Don't get a GS3 or HTC One and ask for AOSP ICS roms
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This, other than screen choices Hardware wasn't a big deal breaker for me. I want the AOSP feel. I came for a Samsung Infuse 4g. I was tired of waiting around for development. When I was shopping for a new phone I checked out phones the the AT&T GSII, Skyrocket, ect. Sure they had some development, but not too much. So instead of getting another phone where I'd be at the mercy of Samsung and AT&T to get Rom updates. So I made the best decision ever for a phone. I bought me a Galaxy Nexus. Now I don't think I will ever not own a Nexus series phone.
Since you stated you already have a Nexus S, I bet it will be hard for you to got to anything else that will be locked down and skinned. You will probably have withdraws pretty quickly.
In short, unless you are all about the latest and greatest hardware then get a GN, or wait a year for the next Nexus phone.
Yeah I remember when I had a Nexus One and left it for a HTC Sense Device. I mean the Hero and Evo had a lot of development but its nothing like having international users which means more development than just people who have ATT or sprint etc.
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You can't compare the device available now to future technology. LOL.
Future phones are always better, at least in terms of specs, so there's no end to the wait. Also, you could never have THE best phone.
PS. If you love the Nexus family then you will love GNex.
I don't mean to intrude on this topic but I am also wondering the same thing, except I'm coming from a Samsung vibrant and I can't seem to choose whether I want to get the Verizon nexus or buy a GSM nexus. Switching carriers isn't a big deal to me. Both seem to have their ups and downs. Some input would really help me decide. Thanks and sorry for hijacking your topic lol I just figured it'd be better than starting a new topic.
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I don't mean to intrude on this topic but I am also wondering the same thing, except I'm coming from a Samsung vibrant and I can't seem to choose whether I want to get the Verizon nexus or buy a GSM nexus. Switching carriers isn't a big deal to me. Both seem to have their ups and downs. Some input would really help me decide. Thanks and sorry for hijacking your topic lol I just figured it'd be better than starting a new topic.
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It really depends on you and your lifestyle. Like do you travel abroad a lot or do do you hate Verizon (lol)?
If you are in the country most of the time then I don't see why you would go through the trouble of getting an unlocked GSM GNex. They are essentially the same when it comes to end user experience.
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I don't mean to intrude on this topic but I am also wondering the same thing, except I'm coming from a Samsung vibrant and I can't seem to choose whether I want to get the Verizon nexus or buy a GSM nexus. Switching carriers isn't a big deal to me. Both seem to have their ups and downs. Some input would really help me decide. Thanks and sorry for hijacking your topic lol I just figured it'd be better than starting a new topic.
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I say get the GSM nexus.. well that's because I'm on ATT. And I travel a lot.. VZW pretty much a dead outside the States.. the only thing that sucks is no one sells accessories for the GSM version where I live .. and If it breaks or stop working att can't replace it
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What device you get really depends on what you want. With the Galaxy Nexus the hardware might not be as good as other devices, it is miles ahead as far a software goes considering the open nature and dev support. If you don't plan on taking advantage of that and are more concerned with hardware, then get something else. I was tempted by the hardware and went to the G2x and then the GS2, I came back to the Nexus line. I missed the customization I had with my G1 and Nexus One.
While the Galaxy Nexus may be a little behind as far a hardware, but is by no means poor. But with the open software and available drivers, the software is way ahead of other phones.
well lets see the reason I'm debating about the two is this:
Verizon Nexus:
Pros: Service overall in Los Angeles is better. True LTE speeds. And 32gb built in versus the 16gb GSM version. Can get it for $100 on amazon.
Cons: stuck with Verizon and no chance of getting service outside of the US. Monthly bill would be $50 more expensive. And the whole android support issue about source?
GSM NEXUS:
Pros: can use on my $45 T-Mobile plan with 2gbs of data or switch to any GSM carrier I want. Development seems to not be stunted. Never had a problem with service.
CONS: $500 and no local hardware support in case of a problem. 16gb versus the 32gb version.
Lol I can't choose.
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well lets see the reason I'm debating about the two is this:
Verizon Nexus:
Pros: Service overall in Los Angeles is better. True LTE speeds. And 32gb built in versus the 16gb GSM version. Can get it for $100 on amazon.
Cons: stuck with Verizon and no chance of getting service outside of the US. Monthly bill would be $50 more expensive. And the whole android support issue about source?
GSM NEXUS:
Pros: can use on my $45 T-Mobile plan with 2gbs of data or switch to any GSM carrier I want. Development seems to not be stunted. Never had a problem with service.
CONS: $500 and no local hardware support in case of a problem. 16gb versus the 32gb version.
Lol I can't choose.
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So if it costs $50 a month more on Verizon, with a minimum of 24 months is $1200, or $400 more once for the GSM. Not too tough a decision, though the 32GB would be nice.
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well lets see the reason I'm debating about the two is this:
Verizon Nexus:
Pros: Service overall in Los Angeles is better. True LTE speeds. And 32gb built in versus the 16gb GSM version. Can get it for $100 on amazon.
Cons: stuck with Verizon and no chance of getting service outside of the US. Monthly bill would be $50 more expensive. And the whole android support issue about source?
GSM NEXUS:
Pros: can use on my $45 T-Mobile plan with 2gbs of data or switch to any GSM carrier I want. Development seems to not be stunted. Never had a problem with service.
CONS: $500 and no local hardware support in case of a problem. 16gb versus the 32gb version.
Lol I can't choose.
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I would say go with verizon, cause if anything does happen to the phone you'll be covered. The service is great waaaaay better than T-mobile, yea the bill will be a lil higher but you get what you pay for, dependable service. The thing about the support issue is irrelevant, the Nexus(GSM or CDMA) will still be waaaay ahead of any other phone and will continue to get updates rather is be OTA or here at XDA(the dev support on here don't seem like it will die down anytime soon, so you have nothing to worry about with this phone)
If I could go back 3-4 months (or whatever it was) I wouldn't buy a Gnex today. I'm a little disappointed in the lack of fixes from google. We've been officially on 4.0.2 for almost the whole time, while they seem to cater to carrier phones more (verizon gnex).
I see no point in getting a nexus if google puts their phone 2nd to carrier demands. verizon gnex gets fixes and more attention. At this point there are newer and better phones coming out, and the appeal of getting ICS first is over, especially when google doesn't release updates.
It's not like the GS3 won't see CM and a plethora of AOSP roms. How many non aosp roms do we have?
I'd wait for the gs3 at this stage of the game. They are talking about a simultaneous world wide release.
Verizon is about the same as sprint price wise. Assuming you aren't stupid enough to pay $20 for testing when you already pay for data. Use Google voice for texting and grove IP to stretch out your minutes. Add a corporate discount and it might be cheaper.
TMobile is a true value carrier but their service can get pretty ****ty.
It don't matter what phone you get.. You only going to be king of your neighborhood/office for only a couple of months.. Then the next big thing is coming.. Hell people already talking about a Galaxy Nexus 2. Thats the thing that sucks about android.. its never one good phone..
You can: Get a VZW Nexus on contract for 2 years and be stuck.. and then have to pay full retail for the next big thing. (Which already seem like the HTC One and GS3) BUT! No one knows if VZW is going to get the Galaxy Nexus 2. or any HTC One device or even a GS3.. And even when the GS3 come out you wont be able to get it on a carrier to probly 3 months after international release
Or you can: Get the GSM Nexus and always sell it in the next few weeks or month (Since the Galaxy Nexus resell value is about $450-$600 on ebay for a used one)
Plus you can get a Pre-paid carrier like Tmo as the other user said n have ****ty service... or just use ATT or rogers w/e you use and save yourself the upgrade fees and signing a new contract
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It don't matter what phone you get.. You only going to be king of your neighborhood/office for only a couple of months.. Then the next big thing is coming.. Hell people already talking about a Galaxy Nexus 2. Thats the thing that sucks about android.. its never one good phone..
You can: Get a VZW Nexus on contract for 2 years and be stuck.. and then have to pay full retail for the next big thing. (Which already seem like the HTC One and GS3) BUT! No one knows if VZW is going to get the Galaxy Nexus 2. or any HTC One device or even a GS3.. And even when the GS3 come out you wont be able to get it on a carrier to probly 3 months after international release
Or you can: Get the GSM Nexus and always sell it in the next few weeks or month (Since the Galaxy Nexus resell value is about $450-$600 on ebay for a used one)
Plus you can get a Pre-paid carrier like Tmo as the other user said n have ****ty service... or just use ATT or rogers w/e you use and save yourself the upgrade fees and signing a new contract
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correct buy gnexus already came out with a very outdated gpu. it's gonna feel like a dinosaur in a few months when the new generation of powervr come out.
I think OP should wait for a quad core phone with an updated gpu. it'll way more feature-proof than galaxy nexus.
The Galaxy Nexus will always be a great device to they release the next Nexus..because HTC sense will always suck.. (I don't believe those demos they showed ) and Touchwiz will always be late on updates from Samsung or lack support
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So I'm on an att unlimited data plan and on a corporate account so I don't want to change carriers. Also I really don't want to pay $500.00 for a phone. I'm hoping after verizon's 90 days of being exclusive with the nexus other carries will being selling it, but I can't find any info about it. Has anyone heard anything.
i only heard of Sprint officially getting the Galaxy Nexus. no att or tmobile
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So I'm on an att unlimited data plan and on a corporate account so I don't want to change carriers. Also I really don't want to pay $500.00 for a phone. I'm hoping after verizon's 90 days of being exclusive with the nexus other carries will being selling it, but I can't find any info about it. Has anyone heard anything.
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I was in your same boat. Got tired of waiting to hear if att was going to carry the gnexus so I splurged and bought one luckily my s2 and cappy provided me enough funds to cover the cost.
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Most likely it will be the same case with the Nexus One.. other carriers suppose to pick it up.. but in the end only two will and the rest will pick up something they think is better.
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Most likely it will be the same case with the Nexus One.. other carriers suppose to pick it up.. but in the end only two will and the rest will pick up something they think is better.
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Well... T-Mobile and AT&T never officially sold the N1 in their stores.
OP, Don't count on it.... just buy it unlocked. you're gonna be waiting so long to have the possibility of it being sold here that it'll be old news by the time it does. There hasn't even been a plausible rumor of it coming to T-Mobile or AT&T in the US since it was launched. Its been months.
I agree with these posts. AT&T never themselves sold the Nexus One or the Nexus S, so it seems highly unlikely that they will a subsidized Galaxy Nexus.
Unlikely that we will see AT&T officially carrying the Galaxy Nexus, you're better off getting a Galaxy S2, selling it and then adding a bit of cash on top to get an unlock GNex. It really is a great phone.
You cant get a carrier any less "Android friendly" than Att.
note
They do have the galaxy note... I'm on verizon with the gnex and if the note came to verizon I would have seriously considered it...
So many people have AT&T but I never hear anything good about them. I only hear bad things about their call quality, dropped calls and crappy unstable data. So why do people actually stay with them? Just because it is GSM. If you live in the US and don't travel out of country often, what would any other advantage be to stick with a crappy provider?
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So many people have AT&T but I never hear anything good about them. I only hear bad things about their call quality, dropped calls and crappy unstable data. So why do people actually stay with them? Just because it is GSM. If you live in the US and don't travel out of country often, what would any other advantage be to stick with a crappy provider?
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Agreed, but like the sliment mentioned. He's on an unlimited plan which no longer exists on many carriers. I suspect a lot of folks are "stuck" with att because they don't want to lose their unlimited plan. I'm sure if Verizon still had an unlimited plan that many unlimited att users would jump ship.
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So many people have AT&T but I never hear anything good about them. I only hear bad things about their call quality, dropped calls and crappy unstable data. So why do people actually stay with them? Just because it is GSM. If you live in the US and don't travel out of country often, what would any other advantage be to stick with a crappy provider?
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You only hear bad things cause people only complain when they have problems. When things are good then people just go on with life like nothing is wrong.
Ive had att for 7 years and have great service in cali, new jersey, pennsylvania.
RogerPodacter said:
You only hear bad things cause people only complain when they have problems. When things are good then people just go on with life like nothing is wrong.
Ive had att for 7 years and have great service in cali, new jersey, pennsylvania.
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Precisely this. The ones w/ bad experiences will be those who spout off on XDA.
AT&T doesn't universally suck across the country, its extremely region dependent. People just have problem with some of their practices and plans, which makes people say they hate AT&T.
What I did is, I bought the samsung galaxy note from amazon for only $250 instead of $300 from ATT without tax. I resold the phone and bought the galaxy nexus from negri.
GL man, i'm growing to like my galaxy nexus more and more, making me not regret keeping the note even though it has LTE and 8 mp pixel. :>
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Precisely this. The ones w/ bad experiences will be those who spout off on XDA.
AT&T doesn't universally suck across the country, its extremely region dependent. People just have problem with some of their practices and plans, which makes people say they hate AT&T.
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The technical terms for this only-hear-complaints thing is called "silence on success". Yeah, ATT works fine in most areas.
RogerPodacter said:
You only hear bad things cause people only complain when they have problems. When things are good then people just go on with life like nothing is wrong.
Ive had att for 7 years and have great service in cali, new jersey, pennsylvania.
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I agree completely. I have had AT&T for almost 2 years now and my experience with them has been a 100% better than T-Mobile and Verizon.
With that said my gnexus comes today!!!!
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Like any carrier, AT&T is great in some areas of the country and bad in others. In my hometown in Western Massachusetts, AT&T is a god compared to Verizon. However, down in NJ where I am currently living, it is the opposite.
As for AT&T getting the Galaxy Nexus I doubt it. By the time they get things figured out, a new phone with ICS, that has better specs would have come out. Plus, AT&T has the Galaxy Note, which I know they have been pushing pretty heavily in new england due to the number of commercials I have seen about it.
The concept of Nexus (untainted, easily-hacked Android devices) is a foreign one to AT&T. If your heart is set on a Nexus, you'll have to buy it outright. Otherwise, as others have mentioned, the Note looks like a hell of a device.
Hey guys, mainly asking for your opinions so just let them fly.
I currently have a Thunderbolt and my contract is up at the end of November now I am trying to decide what to do next. I was fully anticipating going with the nexus 4 (I was prepared to never buy a non nexus device as long as Google keeps making them). Now that the nexus 4 will not be on Verizon and switching to at&t isn't an option since I get 25% off my bill through work, what would you guys do if you were in my situation? The Gnex is going to be cheap as hell when am eligible for an upgrade and am still considering it, should I be? Do you think Gnex development will slow down dramatically any time soon? I'd also hate to buy a phone with outdated hardware...do you guys run into hardware limitations withe the Gnex?
The only other phone that intrigues me is the galaxy s3. Mainly because it is so popular that I see there being a huge development opportunity there? I looked through the thread for the GS3 and it looks like there plenty of aosp roms and it looks to me like there will be quick updates for it as well. The biggest things I hate about the GS3 are the hardware buttons, I love the customisable soft keys in aosp and think that hard keys are so pointless anymore.
I'm pretty much against moto but if you really think I should look at something they have to offer, let me know.
Any thoughts and opinions are appreciated, thanks in advance.
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Hey guys, mainly asking for your opinions so just let them fly.
I currently have a Thunderbolt and my contract is up at the end of November now I am trying to decide what to do next. I was fully anticipating going with the nexus 4 (I was prepared to never buy a non nexus device as long as Google keeps making them). Now that the nexus 4 will not be on Verizon and switching to at&t isn't an option since I get 25% off my bill through work, what would you guys do if you were in my situation? The Gnex is going to be cheap as hell when am eligible for an upgrade and am still considering it, should I be? Do you think Gnex development will slow down dramatically any time soon? I'd also hate to buy a phone with outdated hardware...do you guys run into hardware limitations withe the Gnex?
The only other phone that intrigues me is the galaxy s3. Mainly because it is so popular that I see there being a huge development opportunity there? I looked through the thread for the GS3 and it looks like there plenty of aosp roms and it looks to me like there will be quick updates for it as well. The biggest things I hate about the GS3 are the hardware buttons, I love the customisable soft keys in aosp and think that hard keys are so pointless anymore.
I'm pretty much against moto but if you really think I should look at something they have to offer, let me know.
Any thoughts and opinions are appreciated, thanks in advance.
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My advice? Wait and watch. See how the N4 actually pans out as a device itself. It could be a hardware flop for all we know at this point. There were certainly fun hardware issues with the Gnex.
Then wait a bit longer for the HTC DNA. It might turn out to be a barnburner, or something to burn the barn with.
Then make a decision.
I'm not sure if the Moto RAZR i or HD is a good option or not for you.
Its up on you dude. go out & explore something new and one more thing that the GS3 is a pretty good option.
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I would wait if I where u. If u really need a new phone I would say the galaxy as 3 is a good choice. I have the gnex with Verizon and I love it. I dont have no issues at all my signal is always good i dont drop any calls or never go into 3g lol. (Must be my area i live in) Only problem I see u having is the storage capacity. The gnex on Verizon is now offered with only 16GB. No more 32GB. But as stated before, wait it out a few more months and see what's around the corner. If anything get a used nexus from craigslist for like 250 bucks to hold u over. That way up don't waist your upgrade on a phone u might regret
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25% off of Verizon's prices is still more expensive then Straight Talk or T-Mobile prepaid.... why not get a Nexus 4 anyway and stop signing contracts?
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25% off of Verizon's prices is still more expensive then Straight Talk or T-Mobile prepaid.... why not get a Nexus 4 anyway and stop signing contracts?
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The answer for most people? Coverage.
Coverage, Coverage, Coverage.
If you have a Thunderbolt, that means you still have unlimited data right? So if you're planning on buying a Nexus anyway, you might as well just find an unlocked one (i've seen used ones for ~$150-250) so that you won't have to upgrade. If I remember correctly (and I might be wrong), but Verizon only takes away the unlimited data when you try to upgrade.
No offense, but then he'd be stuck with T-Mobile's network and current lack of LTE. I root for T-Mobile; however, I was miserable when I was using them in suburban Denver, due to relatively inconsistent/slow data.
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No offense, but then he'd be stuck with T-Mobile's network and current lack of LTE. I root for T-Mobile; however, I was miserable when I was using them in suburban Denver, due to relatively inconsistent/slow data.
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You can use AT&T's towers via Straight Talk if T-Mobile isn't great for your area. AT&T's HSPA+ network is pretty expansive.
Also, he wouldn't be "stuck" with anything - he could take the SIM card out and flush it down the toilet if the service bothers him. That's the beauty of not having a contract
I had the gnex on Verizon and loved it, except for one crucial issue-battery life. Sure, this was remedied somewhat by getting spare batteries, but this got to be a pain in the ass.
I currently have the Verizon SIII and love it (I find the dev community to be more than adequate). Yet I agree that it is worth waiting for the inevitable next greatest thing. The DNA does look to be badass
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Yeah the main reason why I stay with Verizon is coverage and my discount. At&t is the only other viable option, all the others are spotty at best around where I live.
Yeah I never thought of trying to get a gnex off contract. That would probly be the best option seeing that I'm getting married in June and will most likely have to revamp my plan for me and the wife anyway.
My friend just got the s3, he doesn't root or anything like I do but I can still bug him about the battery life at least.
My Thunderbolt has spoken.
Step 1: Buy Straight Talk AT&T Sim
Step 2: Buy Nexus 4
Step 3: Drop Verizon
Step 4: Save money
Step 5: ????
Step 6: ... CONTINUE TO SAAAAVE
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iArtisan said:
Step 1: Buy Straight Talk AT&T Sim
Step 2: Buy Nexus 4
Step 3: Drop Verizon
Step 4: Save money
Step 5: ????
Step 6: ... CONTINUE TO SAAAAVE
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I've only ever dealt with Verizon so can you include a few more details? Isn't straight talk sprint, but you're saying at&t sim?
My Thunderbolt has spoken.
The only way I'll be buying a Nexus 4 is if it's gifted to me.
I honestly want to wait it out for MWC and HTC's 2013 lineup.
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I had the gnex on Verizon and loved it, except for one crucial issue-battery life. Sure, this was remedied somewhat by getting spare batteries, but this got to be a pain in the ass.
I currently have the Verizon SIII and love it (I find the dev community to be more than adequate). Yet I agree that it is worth waiting for the inevitable next greatest thing. The DNA does look to be badass
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I'm not real big on the next best thing, the S3 would be in that category for me. Do you stick with touchwiz ROMs or aosp (or aokp)?
I have a sour taste in my mouth for HTC and I'm sick of waiting. I thought I waited for the next best thing with the Tbolt when I was coming from the OG droid. Samsung at least gets it right with their flagship devices. They don't come out with almost an identical phone but with more bugs worked out 3 months later.
I'll wait till Christmas and see what all comes but that's as long as I'll wait.
My Thunderbolt has spoken.
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The only way I'll be buying a Nexus 4 is if it's gifted to me.
I honestly want to wait it out for MWC and HTC's 2013 lineup.
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How do you buy something gifted to you?
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I've only ever dealt with Verizon so can you include a few more details? Isn't straight talk sprint, but you're saying at&t sim?
My Thunderbolt has spoken.
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Straight talk offers an AT&T SIM that gives you unlimited* everything for $45/mo. I think it's actually their most popular plan.
*2-5gb of data before they start to nag, depending on how the stars align for you. Since, you know, unlimited is never actually unlimited in the US anymore...
If you are only with verizon because of the discount, try calling up another phone company and see if they can match the offer or sweeten the pot for you. My brother gets a corporate discount with Bell (here in Canada) and so he called up Rogers (who he's with), and told them that he can get such and such plan for such and such price and asked if he can match it otherwise he'd switch. I forget the specifics of what he got but he was able to get a discount because of it.
Otherwise, just wait like many others said. Perhaps you can get a sweeter phone than the nexus.
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How do you buy something gifted to you?
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don't be annoying like that
To OP: I'm in a similar situation actually, except that I use a GNex right now instead of a TurdBolt. Nobody knows if a Nexus 4 will come to VZN, but I'd probably just buy a GNex until something better rolls around later. And if you do have unlimited data, DO NOT UPGRADE! I cannot fathom losing my unlimited data at this point of my spoiled-data-consumption life. And the development for the VZN GNex is pretty healthy actually. Nothing to complain about, especially when you know you have a reliable connection at the end of the day.
I'm in agreement there, I dumped my tbolt for a gnex and it was a huge step up. You can grab one for fairly cheap off contract now too. I have little to complain about besides battery being a moderate problem. It still beats the tbolt for battery life by quite a bit though, and has given me better data reception. My main urge to upgrade is called 'upgraditis'. For now I'll be trying to treat the symptoms.
I just went to T-Mobile's trade in program to see what I would get for my GS3. The T999 fetches a pretty penny - 225 bucks. On top of that, the "new" T999L only gets 190 and the Galaxy Note 2 gets 265. A 64GB iPhone 5 is 269.99 for comparison.
Looks like T-Mobile wants to buy back as many T999s as possible, probably anticipating an uptick in exchanges on the heels of the LTE model launching.
Interestingly enough, this is much better than their father's day trade-in deal for the iPhone since it applies to any phone. Something I'm thinking about but I don't have the cash to pay the down payment up front and I'm pretty sure you still have to pay up front if you go to the store as well (although I'm not sure, I haven't called).
Just thought I would post this since this is even more than what HTC was offering on their competitor trade-up offer!
http://www.t-mobile.com/DeviceRecovery/cell-phone-trade-in.aspx
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I just went to T-Mobile's trade in program to see what I would get for my GS3. The T999 fetches a pretty penny - 225 bucks. On top of that, the "new" T999L only gets 190 and the Galaxy Note 2 gets 265. A 64GB iPhone 5 is 269.99 for comparison.
Looks like T-Mobile wants to buy back as many T999s as possible, probably anticipating an uptick in exchanges on the heels of the LTE model launching.
Interestingly enough, this is much better than their father's day trade-in deal for the iPhone since it applies to any phone. Something I'm thinking about but I don't have the cash to pay the down payment up front and I'm pretty sure you still have to pay up front if you go to the store as well (although I'm not sure, I haven't called).
Just thought I would post this since this is even more than what HTC was offering on their competitor trade-up offer!
http://www.t-mobile.com/DeviceRecovery/cell-phone-trade-in.aspx
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You have to have the down payment as the trade in credit can take weeks to be processed. I was offered 225 as well. But I ended up selling mine while it was still hot for enough to out down for a note 2 for the wife and n4 for me. Got tired of the Samsung game.
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monkeypaws said:
You have to have the down payment as the trade in credit can take weeks to be processed. I was offered 225 as well. But I ended up selling mine while it was still hot for enough to out down for a note 2 for the wife and n4 for me. Got tired of the Samsung game.
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why would I give them an S3 that I can sell on ebay for $340?
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why would I give them an S3 that I can sell on ebay for $340?
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Exactly.
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That sucks... The GS4 is going on for $99 down.. With this trade in would be nice to use that as credit of the down and the rest for the bill
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why would I give them an S3 that I can sell on ebay for $340?
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Exactly.
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I didn't realize they were still selling that high post-S4 and One release... That's kind of shocking if they're still selling that high, might consider putting mine on Craigslist and see if I can get 3 or 4 for it if that's the case!
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That sucks... The GS4 is going on for $99 down.. With this trade in would be nice to use that as credit of the down and the rest for the bill
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Yeah that was my idea too. Seems kind of silly they can't just do a quick in-store inspection and give you your credit. All they have to do is power it up, make sure its not rooted, plug it into a USB charger, and check for damage. Wouldn't take more than 5 minutes total and would dramatically increase sales for T-Mobile if everyone knew they could trade in their phone - T-Mobile still makes a profit, gets new customers and upgrades old ones, and the best part is that it moves them closer to having everyone on LTE so HSPA can be phased out sooner or left for customers that don't care about their network speed.
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That's all I saw of your post.
Just looked on eBay at recently sold phones... Average seems to be around 250 but mine is in MINT condition - hell one with a cracked screen sold for 250... The Titanium Grey is selling higher than the others (probably because its the rarest filtering by listing) which is what I happen to have. Prices are all over the place on Craigslist.
I've had eBay for years but never sold anything on there. Too bad my PayPal account got frozen or I'd consider it.
Still wish T-Mobile would just inspect it in the store though, much less of a hassle. lol. I suppose I can call them and see if they can just bill the phone to the account - we've had them for forever.
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Just looked on eBay at recently sold phones... Average seems to be around 250 but mine is in MINT condition - hell one with a cracked screen sold for 250... The Titanium Grey is selling higher than the others (probably because its the rarest filtering by listing) which is what I happen to have. Prices are all over the place on Craigslist.
I've had eBay for years but never sold anything on there. Too bad my PayPal account got frozen or I'd consider it.
Still wish T-Mobile would just inspect it in the store though, much less of a hassle. lol. I suppose I can call them and see if they can just bill the phone to the account - we've had them for forever.
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I had the same problem also. I had my sgs3 on cl for 2 weeks. No takers except for scammers. Just last year is get a couple hits within the first couple hours. Seems like no one can afford to fork out 350 . I ended up selling for 240. Just a little over what Tmobile offered me
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I had the same problem also. I had my sgs3 on cl for 2 weeks. No takers except for scammers. Just last year is get a couple hits within the first couple hours. Seems like no one can afford to fork out 350 . I ended up selling for 240. Just a little over what Tmobile offered me
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If I had a regular SIM card I would just use my Samsung Captivate for a little bit while I sold my SGS3 (its really not a bad phone, hell LiquidSmooth 2.6 is even out for that old thing and I'm in a refarmed market to boot so I wouldn't lose 3G) but I don't so yeah.
It doesn't surprise me that people aren't biting on Craigslist. Although here in Denver that's how most people buy and sell things online, hardly anyone I know uses eBay for anything other than super rare stuff so who knows.
I think I'll have to talk to my roommate about billing it to the account if T-Mobile will let us... I don't know though, my S3 still does everything I need it to and I don't have any real issues with it, I just want something new. LMAO.
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I had the same problem also. I had my sgs3 on cl for 2 weeks. No takers except for scammers. Just last year is get a couple hits within the first couple hours. Seems like no one can afford to fork out 350 . I ended up selling for 240. Just a little over what Tmobile offered me
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Have you checked Swappa. Here is the link. The recent sales are at the bottom $275 up. People are willing to pay more for some protection against blacklisted IMEI phones. Got my Note 2 there and had a reasonable experience.
http://swappa.com/buy/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-tmobile/us
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If I had a regular SIM card I would just use my Samsung Captivate for a little bit while I sold my SGS3 (its really not a bad phone, hell LiquidSmooth 2.6 is even out for that old thing and I'm in a refarmed market to boot so I wouldn't lose 3G) but I don't so yeah.
It doesn't surprise me that people aren't biting on Craigslist. Although here in Denver that's how most people buy and sell things online, hardly anyone I know uses eBay for anything other than super rare stuff so who knows.
I think I'll have to talk to my roommate about billing it to the account if T-Mobile will let us... I don't know though, my S3 still does everything I need it to and I don't have any real issues with it, I just want something new. LMAO.
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If you have an older sim for your other phone you should be able to reactivate it. I've done it online before, or you can call or go to a store and they can do it for you.
Anyone have any idea what theyd give for my s3 with a cracked screen? Works perfectly and you can't see the cracks while its on, but something tells me they wouldn't give the full $225!
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Have you checked Swappa. Here is the link. The recent sales are at the bottom $275 up. People are willing to pay more for some protection against blacklisted IMEI phones. Got my Note 2 there and had a reasonable experience.
http://swappa.com/buy/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-tmobile/us
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I've never used Swappa before, might have to check it out. I was going to list my two Droid RAZR Maxx's there but never got around to it and found out that they're pretty much worth nothing even though they're both in mint condition.
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If you have an older sim for your other phone you should be able to reactivate it. I've done it online before, or you can call or go to a store and they can do it for you.
Anyone have any idea what theyd give for my s3 with a cracked screen? Works perfectly and you can't see the cracks while its on, but something tells me they wouldn't give the full $225!
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Unfortunately the Captivate is Samsung's Galaxy S I for at&t, I never had a full-size T-Mo SIM for it
They wouldn't give you 225 at T-Mobile but I saw one on eBay sell for 245... I would go to eBay and filter until you get your device and then select show sold only and see what they're selling for. Might surprise you.
EDIT: Damn frozen PayPal account - that's what Swappa uses for payment >_<
Any ways T-Mobile dropped that GS4 to $99 who cant afford $99? trade in your phone with tmobile and use it as credit to pay for the phone faster. I seen a lot of post of people saying that the s4 is not a big upgrade from the s3.. I played with one today at the store.. First time I played with an actual live show device. And I put my s3 next to it.. There is a huge different between these 2. If you see them side by side in person.. Now in pictures not so much
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Any ways T-Mobile dropped that GS4 to $99 who cant afford $99? trade in your phone with tmobile and use it as credit to pay for the phone faster. I seen a lot of post of people saying that the s4 is not a big upgrade from the s3.. I played with one today at the store.. First time I played with an actual live show device. And I put my s3 next to it.. There is a huge different between these 2. If you see them side by side in person.. Now in pictures not so much
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People on extremely fixed incomes can't afford 99 dollars. I'm fighting disability right now so I get 175 a month from the state of Colorado while I go through the long process with Social Security.
Oh and I fixed my PayPal account... I can't believe all I had to do was call and verify some information with them. If I had known that I would have done that back in October! So now I might just sell my GS3 and get an S4 or One. Torn between the two - don't like non-expandable storage but the One being able to run any ROM from at&t, T-Mo OR International is a HUGE plus to me.
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People on extremely fixed incomes can't afford 99 dollars. I'm fighting disability right now so I get 175 a month from the state of Colorado while I go through the long process with Social Security.
Oh and I fixed my PayPal account... I can't believe all I had to do was call and verify some information with them. If I had known that I would have done that back in October! So now I might just sell my GS3 and get an S4 or One. Torn between the two - don't like non-expandable storage but the One being able to run any ROM from at&t, T-Mo OR International is a HUGE plus to me.
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That GS4 is able to run any rom from any carrier in the states and even the international! Go to any carrier s4 forum and you will see... One of the reason I would trade my s3 for the s4 in a heart bit because of it.... And you know samsung is faster than htc in updating phones.. So if a new update comes to the international you can flash it on any carrier us s4.. Witch is pretty cool in my part..
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That GS4 is able to run any rom from any carrier in the states and even the international! Go to any carrier s4 forum and you will see... One of the reason I would trade my s3 for the s4 in a heart bit because of it.... And you know samsung is faster than htc in updating phones.. So if a new update comes to the international you can flash it on any carrier us s4.. Witch is pretty cool in my part..
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Okay well you just made my decision a ton easier, especially if the 99 down price point is T-Mobile's now standard pricing for the S4. I couldn't really see any other reason to get the One (I really like having an SD card and "Boom Sound" is nice but I found myself covering up the speakers anyway holding the phone in landscape) and with the 7500mAh Zero Lemon battery out for the S4, its kind of a no-brainer especially since it fixes the design flaw with the speaker on the S4 and shoots the sound out the sides.
I wasn't aware that you could flash any carrier ROM to the S4. Apparently that was just in the beginning of the launch then? Sweet!
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Okay well you just made my decision a ton easier, especially if the 99 down price point is T-Mobile's now standard pricing for the S4. I couldn't really see any other reason to get the One (I really like having an SD card and "Boom Sound" is nice but I found myself covering up the speakers anyway holding the phone in landscape) and with the 7500mAh Zero Lemon battery out for the S4, its kind of a no-brainer especially since it fixes the design flaw with the speaker on the S4 and shoots the sound out the sides.
I wasn't aware that you could flash any carrier ROM to the S4. Apparently that was just in the beginning of the launch then? Sweet!
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Yeah people with the s4 are flashing international roms like crazy out of the box... But remember dont flash a rom with the modem witch now days none comes with a modem hehehe.. I played with one today and I really liked it.. I think I may get it and not wait for the note 3.. Really I like the note 2 and that 5'5 screen is big enough.. I Kinda think about it if i want a note 2 but rumors says the that note 3 will be 6'' screen.. I really dont think I will like it that much..
As we on the S3 we can port any carrier rom to ours but not international.. And look how long they been having 4.2.x roms. and we dont have a leak yet.. Flashing roms from international like on the s4 is priceless lol.. I really dont know why XDA had to split these forums.. And not make one. Like on the HTC Sensation.. It was one forum for all Sensations worldwide.
Not to mention that Samsung is MUCH more dev friendly than HTC. Since the One series it just seemed to me that HTC was trying to become too much like the icrap. Plus No expandable storage, no removable battery, locked bootloaders, etc.... any one of these is a deal killer in my book.
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