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Came across this just now over at Engadget. I just felt my phone got really old real fast! The only thing that comforts me so far about it is that it's only released in Europe for now.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/22/lg-optimus-4x-hd-unveiled-quad-core-tegra-3-ice-cream-sandwich/
Benchmark here: http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/15/lg-tegra-3-phone-specification-leak-tegra3-quadcore/
*gasp*
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Yea I saw that too... so disappointing the way this phone gets treated. AT&T had minimal advertisment, where the Galaxy 2/Skyrocket is EVERYWHERE.
This phone almost feels DOA. Honestly I will be very shocked if AT&T ever releases ICS for the Nitro...
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Yea I saw that too... so disappointing the way this phone gets treated. AT&T had minimal advertisment, where the Galaxy 2/Skyrocket is EVERYWHERE.
This phone almost feels DOA. Honestly I will be very shocked if AT&T ever releases ICS for the Nitro...
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It just puts those of us who do own one in a more elite crowd.
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It just puts those of us who do own one in a more elite crowd.
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Thats one way of lookin at it... we have a limited edition!
Guys, this is ridiculous. We are hearing about new LG phones with ICS, when their previous flagship is stuck with GB and no concrete plans for an upgrade. This is unacceptable, you just know they aren't actively doing **** to expedite the completion of ICS for the Nitro.
The Nitro is a half-baked product, but it could have been great had they released ICS early on. I blame both AT&T and LG for this failure. I think we need to motivate LG with some concerned emails, but I honestly don't even know if there are enough people in this forum to even make a difference.
I will never buy LG ever again unless the do something about this. Anyone with me?
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Guys, this is ridiculous. We are hearing about new LG phones with ICS, when their previous flagship is stuck with GB and no concrete plans for an upgrade. This is unacceptable, you just know they aren't actively doing **** to expedite the completion of ICS for the Nitro.
The Nitro is a half-baked product, but it could have been great had they released ICS early on. I blame both AT&T and LG for this failure. I think we need to motivate LG with some concerned emails, but I honestly don't even know if there are enough people in this forum to even make a difference.
I will never buy LG ever again unless the do something about this. Anyone with me?
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I agree... I have ALWAYS bought HTC, and decided on Nitro over Vivid because of HD screen. Everything I read about the Nitro was its great on paper, but it's LG. Dummy me still went with LG. Like Charlie Brown going to kick the football knowing damn good and well Lucy is going to pull it away.
LG will let this rot on the vine, I know this. If the dev community doesn't pick up this phone will be dead in 6 months... and I will be GONE, and will go back to HTC.
LG has said they will update the LG Optimus LTE to ICS in Q2 2012. We'll be getting ICS either directly or by porting it from the Optimus LTE. It is more than possible to run the Optimus LTE ROM on our phones.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/26/lg-announces-ics-upgrades-to-begin-in-q2-2012/
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I agree... I have ALWAYS bought HTC, and decided on Nitro over Vivid because of HD screen. Everything I read about the Nitro was its great on paper, but it's LG. Dummy me still went with LG. Like Charlie Brown going to kick the football knowing damn good and well Lucy is going to pull it away.
LG will let this rot on the vine, I know this. If the dev community doesn't pick up this phone will be dead in 6 months... and I will be GONE, and will go back to HTC.
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Wish I could say the same but I still have a good 22 months to go.
Easy does it now. I've got gripes just like everyone else, but our Nitro does NOT suck. Don't forget it's STILL one of the few 1280x720 HD screens out there and our dual-core 1.5GHz cpu is hardly a turd either.
This whole thing about how we could've waited just a little longer for the next big thing is ridiculous because not even 6 months ago the specs on our Nitro WAS the next big thing.
Crap, it has LG logo...
I'll pass.
It's just woefully slow, backed by LG, and full of an array of small problems. I guarantee the same exact phone shipped by Samsung or HTC would be much much better.
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It's just woefully slow, backed by LG, and full of an array of small problems. I guarantee the same exact phone shipped by Samsung or HTC would be much much better.
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LOL, not quite true there. The only phone by HTC that has HD screen is the Rezound, and my coworker has it, and trust me, it lags even worse, expect in certain areas that I know for sure HTC makes it certain it runs smoothly (like the wake up screen). Samsung? Samsung doesn't even have an HD screen that competes with the pixel density of LG (not talking of resolutions here, since the note does have HD resolution but screen size is much bigger, thus reducing Pixel Density, and the Nexus runs on a crappy version of amoled, thus reducing energy footprint).
I posted those stories not with the intention of calling our phone crappy or that it will be obsolete in no time. I am sure that one way or another, we will get ICS, although it might not be months down the road. And I will never call this phone crappy, given that until now, about 3 months after it's release, there is yet to be a phone out there to match its power (besides the Nexus, which is a Giant search engine company's flagship phone) and once we get ICS, I am almost sure our phone will trump any other ones in its class.
Like kernelpanic said, we should get ICS somewhere in Q2 of this year, which is around the projected time that most new phones will be released carrying ICS in it. And if we are lucky, we might get either CM9 before that, or maybe a kind and great Dev to help us move further forward towards ICS with some interesting Roms or Kernels.
Speaking of CM9, did you all VOTE to get CM working on a port for our phone? If you haven't I say you should not be complaining cuz you are not doing your part to improve lol.
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LOL, not quite true there. The only phone by HTC that has HD screen is the Rezound, and my coworker has it, and trust me, it lags even worse, expect in certain areas that I know for sure HTC makes it certain it runs smoothly (like the wake up screen). Samsung? Samsung doesn't even have an HD screen that competes with the pixel density of LG (not talking of resolutions here, since the note does have HD resolution but screen size is much bigger, thus reducing Pixel Density, and the Nexus runs on a crappy version of amoled, thus reducing energy footprint).
I posted those stories not with the intention of calling our phone crappy or that it will be obsolete in no time. I am sure that one way or another, we will get ICS, although it might not be months down the road. And I will never call this phone crappy, given that until now, about 3 months after it's release, there is yet to be a phone out there to match its power (besides the Nexus, which is a Giant search engine company's flagship phone) and once we get ICS, I am almost sure our phone will trump any other ones in its class.
Like kernelpanic said, we should get ICS somewhere in Q2 of this year, which is around the projected time that most new phones will be released carrying ICS in it. And if we are lucky, we might get either CM9 before that, or maybe a kind and great Dev to help us move further forward towards ICS with some interesting Roms or Kernels.
Speaking of CM9, did you all VOTE to get CM working on a port for our phone? If you haven't I say you should not be complaining cuz you are not doing your part to improve lol.
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I don't mean to bash the phone, it is what it is, and I'm the one who signed the contract, I'm just disappointed. It had potential but obviously, there's no denying it came up short. And two year contracts are the devil.
Quick post: Judge this for yourself (and i don't direct this solely to u 8mile hehe, i'm just saying to everyone)
https://plus.google.com/u/0/11504942...ts/5opZQ7UomCJ
If that does not scream unlock bootloader, I don't know what will
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Quick post: Judge this for yourself (and i don't direct this solely to u 8mile hehe, i'm just saying to everyone)
https://plus.google.com/u/0/11504942...ts/5opZQ7UomCJ
If that does not scream unlock bootloader, I don't know what will
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I saw that eearlier today. I'm glad a "real dev" has the phone and is working on it.
Haters gonna hate but hey, let them
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I saw that eearlier today. I'm glad a "real dev" has the phone and is working on it.
Haters gonna hate but hey, let them
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Hey, to me, you're as much a real dev as any other dev can be Despite your limitations, u gave us all hope with our phones hehe.
Def wont ne getting another LG but I can say I'm happy I opted for it when I did. Its the name of the game when you get a phone. New ones cone out that trump it in months. No bog deal really. I wish development teams could produce their own high quality devices to sell. Cyanogenmod making a phone would be sweet.
I dont think I ever said the phone sucked... it is LG that sucks. Their track record with phones is well established. I do love the screen, and LTE is faster than my home internet. It is a good phone, even better with Kernelpan1c rom's! I am just beginning to feel like this phone was nothing more than a stopgap to the Optimus 4x, and will soon be the neglicted middle child.
I also lay blame on AT&T who did NOTHING to promote this phone, nothing at all. Therefore sales will be down & 3rd party accessories will be minimal. The only saving grace may be Verizons version, at least they made commercials... although nothing like the Speilberg'esque Droid productions they put out regularly.
UPDATE - Just saw on AT&T the Nitro is now a $100 for new contracts. The Skyrocket is still $200!!! In 2 months it went from flagship to dead weight.
I bought the Nitro as an upgrade to my Samsung Infuse. I just wanted something different from Samsung. Yes Sammy screens are the best in my opinion and the Infuse is unbrickable. I've already bricked one Nitro. The HDMI output on the Nitro is so much better than my Infuse, thats a feature I use often. Developmet will come to this phone like it did to the Infuse and I'm thinking of getting my dev on for this phone if development slows down, but I'm new to that. The nitro seems to be LG's "middle child" like the samsung Infuse. Which is cool with me.
LGOG ranked second only to a phone which hasn't been announced yet.
http://www.ibtimes.com/samsung-gala...no-1-browsermark-20-browser-benchmark-1107407
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I'm actually surprised the LGOG doesn't get more love in the android community, it's always S3 this and HTC One that, LGOG is crazy powerful and awesome
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I'm actually surprised the LGOG doesn't get more love in the android community, it's always S3 this and HTC One that, LGOG is crazy powerful and awesome
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I know. I thought this phone will be picked up by alot of people, especially when it was going for $100 at best buy with these specs. But alot of people stay away from LG phones. I almost did the same thing.
Its because LG has always been really bad with their stuff. like the LG optimus S for example and the LG Viper was the biggest fail ever. People chose samsung and HTC because they are reliable phones and have been for the last few years. As for me im still a Samsung guy Just simply Because Samsung phones have treated me really nicely. I like the LGOG though because it is blazing fast. even a little faster than my note 2. but when it comes to multimedia etc. the note 2 kills the LG in almost every way. and LG did kind of copy samsung in some ways too. the UI and gestures etc. but i like them all! lol. i only bought the optimus G cause the nexus 4 didnt come to sprint and the LGOG is the Nexus 4 minus the Jellybean and Pure aosp. but overall The LGOG is a Top of the line phone hands down for sure.. and does need more love from devs lol
What's so crazy is that this is hands down the best phone out there next to the nexus 4 (same phone) the thing is, no one knows about it. People automatically think LG is crap because they don't know about it. They know all about the Samsung Galaxy phones because TV tells you that its the best thing out and you have to have it. I guarantee you that there are only a few Galaxy users who can actually tell you why they have that phone let alone what's under the hood. This phone will kill any phone out right now and people just don't get it because its not marketed correctly. I mean you even if it was how many people would get excited because it had quad core processor? People ( stupid people) would be like 13MP camera hells yea! . When I first got this thing all the guys at work talked so much crap about it being LG. They all have iPhone 5's (phones for noobs) and all I did was turn on all 4 of my cores. They have yet to say anything again about my OG!
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sirswag87 said:
What's so crazy is that this is hands down the best phone out there next to the nexus 4 (same phone) the thing is, no one knows about it. People automatically think LG is crap because they don't know about it. They know all about the Samsung Galaxy phones because TV tells you that its the best thing out and you have to have it. I guarantee you that there are only a few Galaxy users who can actually tell you why they have that phone let alone what's under the hood. This phone will kill any phone out right now and people just don't get it because its not marketed correctly. I mean you even if it was how many people would get excited because it had quad core processor? People ( stupid people) would be like 13MP camera hells yea! . When I first got this thing all the guys at work talked so much crap about it being LG. They all have iPhone 5's (phones for noobs) and all I did was turn on all 4 of my cores. They have yet to say anything again about my OG!
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Yep, market-ing = market share. I personally just think that LG doesn't care too much about their mobile division, especially when they're battling up hill against Samsung and Apple. They're probably OK with making a small profit off of mobile while making their real money off of TVs and appliances.
Not to hate on the LGOG, but when I owned the phone for a few weeks I felt the phone had some shortcomings. Hated the LTE connectivity or lack there of. The speaker is by far the worst speaker I've ever heard on a smart phone. The 13 megapixel camera is lacking. LG's iOS or what ever its called lacks features and widgets.
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sirswag87 said:
What's so crazy is that this is hands down the best phone out there next to the nexus 4 (same phone) the thing is, no one knows about it. People automatically think LG is crap because they don't know about it. They know all about the Samsung Galaxy phones because TV tells you that its the best thing out and you have to have it. I guarantee you that there are only a few Galaxy users who can actually tell you why they have that phone let alone what's under the hood. This phone will kill any phone out right now and people just don't get it because its not marketed correctly. I mean you even if it was how many people would get excited because it had quad core processor? People ( stupid people) would be like 13MP camera hells yea! . When I first got this thing all the guys at work talked so much crap about it being LG. They all have iPhone 5's (phones for noobs) and all I did was turn on all 4 of my cores. They have yet to say anything again about my OG!
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The lgog is a good android phone. But it's not the best. This phone still needs a lot of work on the ui and bloat. The only thing actually good about this is the res and the s4pro backed up with 2gigs of ram. If it had a dual core like the s3 I wouldn't even bother with it lol. It'll just be like the LG viper.... That phone was a waste of my cash. But at least LG made this phone to cover their epic fail on the viper.
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One thing I don't like this phone is touch screen acts like crazy while charging. It seems like it is hardware related issue....
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drancid said:
One thing I don't like this phone is touch screen acts like crazy while charging. It seems like it is hardware related issue....
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Seen that hundreds of time on many phones. Try a different charger, or two. A defective/cheap charger will tend to have a lot of "noise" and cause touchscreen issues. I have two chargers right now that make the touchscreen unusable but have five or six that give me no issue.
Hardwares only as good as its software and unfortunately LG has sh!t software. I have an OG for work and forwarded everything on it to my personal line(note 2) the OG sits on the desk collecting dust cuz its just unimpressive and a pain to try and use the little screen. After having my note 2 every other phone I pick up feels like my palm just swallowed it and typing is so awkward I get frustrated and give up. Small phone + big hands = :banghead: especially after having a phone that actually feels comfortable in them. The Optimus G came blazing out of the gate, then tripped on its lackluster software and crap support to land right on its pretty face and stay there for the rest of the race. By the time (if) lg ever gets ths software up to par with the rest of the Android world the OG will be headed for an EOL and its replacement will already be en queue.
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Hardwares only as good as its software and unfortunately LG has sh!t software. I have an OG for work and forwarded everything on it to my personal line(note 2) the OG sits on the desk collecting dust cuz its just unimpressive and a pain to try and use the little screen. After having my note 2 every other phone I pick up feels like my palm just swallowed it and typing is so awkward I get frustrated and give up. Small phone + big hands = :banghead: especially after having a phone that actually feels comfortable in them. The Optimus G came blazing out of the gate, then tripped on its lackluster software and crap support to land right on its pretty face and stay there for the rest of the race. By the time (if) lg ever gets ths software up to par with the rest of the Android world the OG will be headed for an EOL and its replacement will already be en queue.
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If I'm hearing you right, you're saying the OG has a small screen?
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If I'm hearing you right, you're saying the OG has a small screen?
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Compared to my note 2 yes all other phones feel tiny now, especially since im much larger than average at 6'7" my gs3, optimus g, og evo, mopho all feel small, don't even get me started on iphone I cant even hold the 4s unless its in landscape. When I try to use smaller screen phones now I get serious hand cramps trying to type 2 handed, it was never like that til I got used to the note2 now it's awkward as hell. It would take me weeks to get used to using a "normal" sized phone again. It's not so much the size in numerical value as it is the dimensions are narrow and tall. When I put my OG next to my note the note screen is about as wide as 3/4 of the height of the OG screen and the OG is about half as wide as my note in portrait, maybe a 5/8s as wide. Trust me when I tell you its awkward going from 5.5" to >5". It doesn't seem like it would be a huge difference on paper but IRL it seems like feet instead of inches in my big ass hands. It just seems like a kids toy now. I guess I'm just spoiled now.
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I would like to add that for the entire month of February I can honestly say the optimus G was the only phone I was selling. If that's not enough then out of the entire district I placed 7th in sales out of 200ish. If a customer was willing to through down 200 on a phone then I made sure they got the optimus G! I sold 1 iPhone 5 but it doesn't count because they later exchanged for the optimus G. I have talked to other store employees about pushing this phone as much as they could and I'm happy/sad to announce that the optimus G is now on back order "due to recent unexpected high sales"
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-EViL-KoNCEPTz- said:
Compared to my note 2 yes all other phones feel tiny now, especially since im much larger than average at 6'7" my gs3, optimus g, og evo, mopho all feel small, don't even get me started on iphone I cant even hold the 4s unless its in landscape. When I try to use smaller screen phones now I get serious hand cramps trying to type 2 handed, it was never like that til I got used to the note2 now it's awkward as hell. It would take me weeks to get used to using a "normal" sized phone again. It's not so much the size in numerical value as it is the dimensions are narrow and tall. When I put my OG next to my note the note screen is about as wide as 3/4 of the height of the OG screen and the OG is about half as wide as my note in portrait, maybe a 5/8s as wide. Trust me when I tell you its awkward going from 5.5" to >5". It doesn't seem like it would be a huge difference on paper but IRL it seems like feet instead of inches in my big ass hands. It just seems like a kids toy now. I guess I'm just spoiled now.
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Please don't diss a phone just because your hands are larger than the average human.. Its a great phone. Newer hardware than the note 2 and stock software doesn't count. Of course you know that or you wouldn't be here on xda.
Please if your going complain about a phone don't bring your unusually large hands into this. It doesn't make for a valid argument. Its a personal defect. You knew this before buying the optimus g. Don't understand why you would waste money on a phone that you KNEW you couldn't use...
Anyway.. On a positive note.. Good kush. Anyone else want to join I'm in Washington
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I would like to add that for the entire month of February I can honestly say the optimus G was the only phone I was selling. If that's not enough then out of the entire district I placed 7th in sales out of 200ish. If a customer was willing to through down 200 on a phone then I made sure they got the optimus G! I sold 1 iPhone 5 but it doesn't count because they later exchanged for the optimus G. I have talked to other store employees about pushing this phone as much as they could and I'm happy/sad to announce that the optimus G is now on back order "due to recent unexpected high sales"
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Please don't diss a phone just because your hands are larger than the average human.. Its a great phone. Newer hardware than the note 2 and stock software doesn't count. Of course you know that or you wouldn't be here on xda.
Please if your going complain about a phone don't bring your unusually large hands into this. It doesn't make for a valid argument. Its a personal defect. You knew this before buying the optimus g. Don't understand why you would waste money on a phone that you KNEW you couldn't use...
Anyway.. On a positive note.. Good kush. Anyone else want to join I'm in Washington
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I didn't buy the optimus g I was pawned off on me by my boss. I wouldn't waste my money on any LG device, not after every single mobile phone I've had from thek was complete crap due to their shotty software. Never understood why a company would put crap software on a highend phone, since the hardware can't perform to its potential. Go play with a nexus 4 and and optimus g at the same time, you'll hate lg for putting that crapware on the OG. It's pretty funny you think having big hands is a personal defect, you must be a hobbit with small man syndrome. It wouldn't matter if the OG was as big as my note anyways I still wouldn't waste my money on it. Hell I got it free and I dont even use it I just forwarded all my calls and emails to my note. And you would have never sold me an OG even at gunpoint, I would have laughed in your face. It's not my fault LG has their priorities backasswards and can't build decent software to save their life. Like I said what good is the best hardware if the software doesn't work right? It's like buying a ferrari and putting a prius engine in it, pointless. Now go back to your LG loving and leave the realists to reality, LG dropped the ball yet again by putting busted software and crap support on what could have been a great device.
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I didn't buy the optimus g I was pawned off on me by my boss. I wouldn't waste my money on any LG device, not after every single mobile phone I've had from thek was complete crap due to their shotty software. Never understood why a company would put crap software on a highend phone, since the hardware can't perform to its potential. Go play with a nexus 4 and and optimus g at the same time, you'll hate lg for putting that crapware on the OG. It's pretty funny you think having big hands is a personal defect, you must be a hobbit with small man syndrome. It wouldn't matter if the OG was as big as my note anyways I still wouldn't waste my money on it. Hell I got it free and I dont even use it I just forwarded all my calls and emails to my note. And you would have never sold me an OG even at gunpoint, I would have laughed in your face. It's not my fault LG has their priorities backasswards and can't build decent software to save their life. Like I said what good is the best hardware if the software doesn't work right? It's like buying a ferrari and putting a prius engine in it, pointless. Now go back to your LG loving and leave the realists to reality, LG dropped the ball yet again by putting busted software and crap support on what could have been a great device.
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The software has worked great more me and several others who have used it. Besides the ICS messenger. They fixed that issue with the jellybean update. I've had and have seen more issued with the s3 and note 2 software than I have with the OG.. But then again I work at a repair center. So I see the worst out of every phone on a daily basis. And believe me.. Samsung is just as bad. Its the UI thing. Of course the nexus 4 will perform better. Its pure android. None of the bloat to bog it down. Lg had it rough with there past devices but the OG is a big step. With each update getting better and better. Most are still running ICS. do you remember how the s3 ran on ICS? Or even worse the s2.. It was so difficult to sell the phone because of how ****ty the touchwiz worked on ICS. I'm assuming its the same with the OG. Wait for jellybean to finish rolling out then update your argument.
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Only issue ive ever had with samsung was that crappy intercept. My s2, s3 and note 2 have never had any issues with the software. At least not like the OG biggest issue I have with that stupid thing is it dialing the contact instead of sending the text, drives me nuts especially when im trying to avoid calling someone via text only to have the stupid phone call em for me. LG never updates their devices on time, I mean seriously their flagship device is still on 4.0.4 for the most part, entirely til this week. They will do What they always do push out halfassed unfinished updates then after a year or 18 months drop support and EOL the device. HTC and LG have serious support issues and issues with allowing the end user control through locked bootloaders and threats of legal action for hosting or modifying their stock crapware. Not to mention they take forever to release source, which is what im waiting for now so I can compile my rom for the OG and get it the hell off of LGs teat. Then maybe I'll actually do something with it besides stuff it in a corner of my desk to hold my paperwork down while it basically works as my secretary and forwards me my calls.
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nothing i must say haha
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Havent seen that since V9
What is Optimus Prime's full name?
Optimus G. Prime
Samsung has terrible build quality and awful viewing angles and color reproduction. Depending on your angle, white can look blue, yellow, pink, or greenish.
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LG G2, the latest flagship Android-based smartphone from South Korean mobile phone maker LG Electronics, is said to be underperforming on the market, falling far behind expectations.
According to the latest reports on the matter, LG has managed to sell only around 600,000 G2 units during the handset’s first four months of availability in its homeland market.
Internationally, the device is selling slowly as well, with less than 2.3 million units said to have been shipped, despite the fact that LG actually aimed at selling over 3 million devices, info coming from Asia Today unveils.
Made official back in summer, the LG G2 landed on shelves with a large 5.2-inch touchscreen display capable of delivering a full HD resolution, while being powered by a quad-core Snapdragon 800 processor.Furthermore, the Android-based device features a 13-megapixel camera on the back with support for full HD video recording, as well as a front camera for making video calls.
The high-end smartphone also packs 2GB of RAM inside, the usual set of connectivity options and sensors, and Google’s Android Jelly Bean operating system loaded on top.The handset comes with the power and volume buttons placed on the back, beneath the camera, which should allow faster, more convenient operations, as LG puts it.
All in all, LG G2 is a device that well deserves its current position at the top of LG’s portfolio, despite the fact that sales are not as great as the company had hoped.
As AndroidBeat notes, LG managed to sell 540,000 Optimus G Pro units in South Korea in the first four months following the handset’s launch, which clearly shows that G2 did not manage to help LG gain too much market share.
What remains to be seen is what exactly LG plans on bringing to the market next year, and whether it will be able to attract more users to its side than it did this year.
I am not a mobile market analyst, but I would guess one of the biggest reasons is people being fed up with LG's crappy updates. People iust dont trust them, and dont want to be stuck with a device a couple of OS versions behind the major competition. LG is probably the world's worst OEM, among the big names, in terms of supporting their products. Every time, they release an awesome flagship (no sarcasm here, LG hardware is typicaly top-notch), just to abandon it after one update, if not right away. I just hope they understand this, looking at the sales numbers, an maybe (just maybe) change their retarded approach to updates ...
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I am not a mobile market analyst, but I would guess one of the biggest reasons is people being fed up with LG's crappy updates. People iust dont trust them, and dont want to be stuck with a device a couple of OS versions behind the major competition. LG is probably the world's worst OEM, among the big names, in terms of supporting their products. Every time, they release an awesome flagship (no sarcasm here, LG hardware is typicaly top-notch), just to abandon it after one update, if not right away. I just hope they understand this, looking at the sales numbers, an maybe (just maybe) change their retarded approach to updates ...
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I think, with all respect in the word, that you say that because optimus g dont recieve an update. In my opinion, many people dont know about their version of android os, or doesn t mather if they recieve an update. Most people , at least in my country, start to think about this, when they need an app that requires for example android 4.0 and they have 2.3. But in a small amount of people there are many that thinks that the software version is very important. Me, you and some people that still around here to see if LG anounce the update.
The g2 didn't sold that much because lg decided to follow samaung's glossy platic pattern instead of going for better materials. They copied samsung and it costed them.also the marketing was not that good. You need an agressive marketing these days. Bottom line,the g2 is underrated and i will buy it anyway soon
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I think, with all respect in the word, that you say that because optimus g dont recieve an update. In my opinion, many people dont know about their version of android os, or doesn t mather if they recieve an update.
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No. First of all, I personally don't care much about LG updates, and I bought the OG knowing full well that it will be very much behind, or even won't get updates past 4.1.2 at all (to be seen, I guess). Also, I owned another LG flagship in the past - 2X. ICS update debacle for that phone was quite a drama, trust me... You can also check LG's record on updating other devices. So, no, I am not saying this because I am bitter about OG. It's LG's MO, that's just how it is.
Second, I very much disagree that most people wouldn't care about updates. I think it's quite the opposite.
But again, that's just my unqualified opinion...
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I am not a mobile market analyst, but I would guess one of the biggest reasons is people being fed up with LG's crappy updates. People iust dont trust them, and dont want to be stuck with a device a couple of OS versions behind the major competition. LG is probably the world's worst OEM, among the big names, in terms of supporting their products. Every time, they release an awesome flagship (no sarcasm here, LG hardware is typicaly top-notch), just to abandon it after one update, if not right away. I just hope they understand this, looking at the sales numbers, an maybe (just maybe) change their retarded approach to updates ...
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I think, with all respect in the word, that you say that because optimus g dont recieve an update. In my opinion, many people dont know about their version of android os, or doesn t mather if they recieve an update. Most people , at least in my country, start to think about this, when they need an app that requires for example android 4.0 and they have 2.3. But in a small amount of people there are many that thinks that the software version is very important. Me, you and some people that still around here to see if LG anounce the update.
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At least geek people who know Android well will not buy LG G2 instead they buy nexus 5 or nexus 4. Same internal hardware with 100% Android update. Even plastic samsung maintained good track record of Android update
LG has this issue since start
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At least geek people who know Android well will not buy LG G2 instead they buy nexus 5 or nexus 4. Same internal hardware with 100% Android update. Even plastic samsung maintained good track record of Android update
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Agree with that, but most people, are not geek. But geeks, definitely will not buy G2.
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No. First of all, I personally don't care much about LG updates, and I bought the OG knowing full well that it will be very much behind, or even won't get updates past 4.1.2 at all (to be seen, I guess). Also, I owned another LG flagship in the past - 2X. ICS update debacle for that phone was quite a drama, trust me... You can also check LG's record on updating other devices. So, no, I am not saying this because I am bitter about OG. It's LG's MO, that's just how it is.
Second, I very much disagree that most people wouldn't care about updates. I think it's quite the opposite.
But again, that's just my unqualified opinion...
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100% agree with that man. I thought like you about updates.
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At least geek people who know Android well will not buy LG G2 instead they buy nexus 5 or nexus 4. Same internal hardware with 100% Android update. Even plastic samsung maintained good track record of Android update
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but we all bought OG at the time nexus 4 was also there na.. Nexus 5 is the reason for G2's sale ???
I believe they released it too fast.
G2 is the 3rd flagship model in one year.
A shop in gront of my house selling G2 for 200$ in case of 2 year contract lol
G Flex is 700$ with contact.
And i bought my OG for 750$ with contract, if i remember correctly
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Agree with that, but most people, are not geek. But geeks, definitely will not buy G2.
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No, most people are not geek, but they asks geeks for their inputs.
Of all the people that asked me, I always recomended they buy the N5 or the S4, the G2 is not worth the difference to get "no support" from the maker.
Even if we rules out the issue with the total lack of updates for the OS, the OG didn't get ANY fixes at all for the other known issue, even if it was reported to them. So, I can not recommend the current flagship for anyone.
My 5 cents = Geeks tell technophobes not to buy LG due to crappy updates, N5 comparatively cheap with guaranteed updates and lastly market saturation
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I am not a mobile market analyst, but I would guess one of the biggest reasons is people being fed up with LG's crappy updates. People iust dont trust them, and dont want to be stuck with a device a couple of OS versions behind the major competition. LG is probably the world's worst OEM, among the big names, in terms of supporting their products. Every time, they release an awesome flagship (no sarcasm here, LG hardware is typicaly top-notch), just to abandon it after one update, if not right away. I just hope they understand this, looking at the sales numbers, an maybe (just maybe) change their retarded approach to updates ...
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And LG just "sucks" compared to Samsung. Just like how Volvo "sucks" compared to the established Germans like BMW and Mercedes-Benz, even though Volvo builds some great vehicles.
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And LG just "sucks" compared to Samsung. Just like how Volvo "sucks" compared to the established Germans like BMW and Mercedes-Benz, even though Volvo builds some great vehicles.
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Volvo is the safest car manufacturer in the world.Just like any brand,they all have their own goals and mottos and stuff like that.Personally,I prefer most people to be chosing other phones from other brands(Samsung,Sony,Oppo,etc.)So that my LG can feel special without going everywhere and within 15 metres,another guy is using a different phone than mine.Just Sayin.I hate to go mainstream.
Well the build quality, I really like LG's. But the trend now is with good build, should also come with great updates. That is how Nokia failed miserably. They have great phone build, but very outdated OS, and slow updates. But reality also says that most people go for the well-known brands, and most don't care about software updates. Heck they don't even know NFC.
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Volvo is the safest car manufacturer in the world.Just like any brand,they all have their own goals and mottos and stuff like that.Personally,I prefer most people to be chosing other phones from other brands(Samsung,Sony,Oppo,etc.)So that my LG can feel special without going everywhere and within 15 metres,another guy is using a different phone than mine.Just Sayin.I hate to go mainstream.
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Well for me, my Volvo sucks cus management sucks... They're so thick skulled. That and they royally screwed me over over one of the car's problem that they refuse to fix... But that's not the point. If you wanna find me, go to Swedespeed. geokilla over there as well.
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Volvo is the safest car manufacturer in the world.Just like any brand,they all have their own goals and mottos and stuff like that.Personally,I prefer most people to be chosing other phones from other brands(Samsung,Sony,Oppo,etc.)So that my LG can feel special without going everywhere and within 15 metres,another guy is using a different phone than mine.Just Sayin.I hate to go mainstream.
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Major Hipster Alert there!!
Hello all. I come over from the Nexus 5 forums, and as much as I love my N5, its definitely starting to show it's age with it's out-dated specs, terrible battery, and inadequate storage (I have the Sprint 16gb model). I was looking at different phones to move on to, and even though money is sorrrrrtttttt of a factor (not really), I've been bouncing around what's available and affordable, since I'm sitting on an upgrade right now. My choices are:
Samsung Galaxy S6 - Best camera, decent starting development scene, non-removeable battery and storage, lackluster battery.
LG G4 - Can get for $100 at Best Buy. Good camera, good screen, good battery, removable everything, no development scene.
Or...
LG G3 - Can get for $1 (Read, ONE DOLLAR) at Best Buy. Good camera, good screen, good battery, removable everything, established development scene.
My biggest concern when it comes to buying a phone is how good the development scene is, or how much potential it has. The LG G3 is already established as a fine phone, its just... The G4 has updated specs on an already high-end phone. Which begs the question, is it worth spending $100 for the top of the line, or better to spend $1 for an extremely capable veteran that can still hang with the best of them?
Halp plz.
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if i were you, i would get the gs6, if not, then g4 it is.
i am thinking about getting a g3, but after googling about the phone, i found the it has very bad battery life,
but i am still thinking
This a bit of a tough call... I was in the same situation a few months ago. I ended up going g3.
So far the phone has treated me well (Coming from an original HTC one BTW). I do wish the battery life was a bit better, it really is just average. Though I'm betting it would still last noticeably longer than your Nexus.
The dev community for the g3 is pretty solid, About as established as you could hope for...... on the GSM models.
Keep in mind that the Sprint model of the g3 does not and will not, have nearly as much dev support as the the other models. And this is gonna be the case with any phone you get on sprint unless you go nexus 6 maybe.
If your worried about development primarily then I would ditch sprint and revisit this. Haha
Not super constructive, I know.
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This a bit of a tough call... I was in the same situation a few months ago. I ended up going g3.
So far the phone has treated me well (Coming from an original HTC one BTW). I do wish the battery life was a bit better, it really is just average. Though I'm betting it would still last noticeably longer than your Nexus.
The dev community for the g3 is pretty solid, About as established as you could hope for...... on the GSM models.
Keep in mind that the Sprint model of the g3 does not and will not, have nearly as much dev support as the the other models. And this is gonna be the case with any phone you get on sprint unless you go nexus 6 maybe.
If your worried about development primarily then I would ditch sprint and revisit this. Haha
Not super constructive, I know.
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That's kind of the one thing I never really understood about the dev scene with these phones; how come its almost always the case that the CDMA variants usually end up getting the shaft with development? Maybe it has something to do with the radios or something, but I never really quite understood it.
I'm also a very impatient person. I will try to hold out for something as long as I can, but then temptation just ends up driving me nuts. With that being said, I AM thinking about holding off for just a little while longer and maybe try going for the Moto X Pure (Is that the US edition?), because even with all these fancy spec upgrades on all these newer phones, I still don't think they can properly run in the grand scheme of things under their own weight, i.e. TouchWiz, LG UI, etc. Stock Android is still the best way to go with all these upgrades, I believe, and that's what I'm gonna try and hold out for. Still waiting on the fabled Nexus 5 2015 release, but that's a whole 'nother story.
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That's kind of the one thing I never really understood about the dev scene with these phones; how come its almost always the case that the CDMA variants usually end up getting the shaft with development? Maybe it has something to do with the radios or something, but I never really quite understood it.
I'm also a very impatient person. I will try to hold out for something as long as I can, but then temptation just ends up driving me nuts. With that being said, I AM thinking about holding off for just a little while longer and maybe try going for the Moto X Pure (Is that the US edition?), because even with all these fancy spec upgrades on all these newer phones, I still don't think they can properly run in the grand scheme of things under their own weight, i.e. TouchWiz, LG UI, etc. Stock Android is still the best way to go with all these upgrades, I believe, and that's what I'm gonna try and hold out for. Still waiting on the fabled Nexus 5 2015 release, but that's a whole 'nother story.
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I would stick with the nexus line, its a disgrace that an 2 years old flagship has to wait almost a year for a crucial (from security reasons) update. I came from nexus 4 and i regret i left nexus for it.
I had a lot of problems with apps also, for ex. deezer or napster. U just need to be aware that all devs are writing their apps for the nexus in the first place.
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LG G4 is the best choice, except for CPU performance which is objectively excellent, but poor relatively to other devices like the cited SGS6.
I think you're not an "AnTuTu maniac", so buy it without any remorse, you'll have a 64-bit terminal with both removable battery and expandable storage [emoji106]
If you want a recent and expensive terminal, be aware of G3, as it's no longer a top of the range and it's based on the 32-bit CPU architecture.
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That's kind of the one thing I never really understood about the dev scene with these phones; how come its almost always the case that the CDMA variants usually end up getting the shaft with development? Maybe it has something to do with the radios or something, but I never really quite understood it.
I'm also a very impatient person. I will try to hold out for something as long as I can, but then temptation just ends up driving me nuts. With that being said, I AM thinking about holding off for just a little while longer and maybe try going for the Moto X Pure (Is that the US edition?), because even with all these fancy spec upgrades on all these newer phones, I still don't think they can properly run in the grand scheme of things under their own weight, i.e. TouchWiz, LG UI, etc. Stock Android is still the best way to go with all these upgrades, I believe, and that's what I'm gonna try and hold out for. Still waiting on the fabled Nexus 5 2015 release, but that's a whole 'nother story.
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Ya I've been around xda for quite a while and I've noticed the same thing with CDMA phones... The best answer I have is that generally they are harder to dev for because of their firmware, they tend to be more locked down, and not as many devs purchase those devices.
That's a smart move in my opinion... The new moto x, Sony z5, and nexus are all gonna be out in the next couple of months. You might really be kicking yourself in the a** if you don't wait and see haha.
I personally think Sony phones are very underrated I'd have a z3 right now if Sony would stop screwing around and get their devices back on more US carriers. I think the z5 is gonna be nice.
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It's still the best phone I've ever owned so far.
If you are going for 2 years contract, definitely get something else like gs6 or g4. If you are thinking about a cheap prepaid plan, buy g3, s5, or m8 - phone only.
That's right. Don't get a G3 on a contract. In fact don't buy any phone on a contract. It most certainly does not cost $1. You will pay many many hundreds of dollars over 2 years. My advice is to buy the Moto x pure for $399.
I am going to buy LG G4. I have heard a lot about hardware failure of this phone. So, what is your opinion on this? Need your guidance,please.
Regards
My opinion would be to buy a G3 or Moto X Pure, if you're looking for something on the cheaper end. G4 is a mess.
If extra cash isn't an issue I'd say wait and check out the HTC 10 tomorrow. The Huawei Mate 8 looks sweet, too, if you can find one.
A lot of boot loop issues with early production models. It may not be the case with later production models, but these boot loop issues take 5-8 months to show. If you are buying brand new, make sure you have at least a 12 month warranty.
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i would like to read on this matter of bootloops. so far i heard all 505xxxxx have bootloop.. and i will like to read more on this.. can anyone give me link to discussion of this matter.?
Guys, friend of mines has LG G4 but it's volume down when it's pressed it doesn't work, it gives him a recent apps instead. How he fix it ??
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raptorddd said:
i would like to read on this matter of bootloops. so far i heard all 505xxxxx have bootloop.. and i will like to read more on this.. can anyone give me link to discussion of this matter.?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/g4/help/lg-g4-stuck-bootloop-t3268734
Bootloop has been reported as far as 603.
510's for model US991 seem good. We have it, and haven't had ANY of the reported issues (bootloop nor others).
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I will buy Pure Now. As, I am buying from outside my country and I dont want to take any risk.
Thank You everyone for your kind and prompt replies.
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My opinion would be to buy a G3 or Moto X Pure, if you're looking for something on the cheaper end. G4 is a mess.
If extra cash isn't an issue I'd say wait and check out the HTC 10 tomorrow. The Huawei Mate 8 looks sweet, too, if you can find one.
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What is your opinion on HTC One M9? Should I consider it?
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What is your opinion on HTC One M9? Should I consider it?
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I had am M9 for less than a week. It's a beautiful phone that functioned fine but it got hot fast. I had GPS on for maybe five minutes and the phone got hot enough for me to feel it on my leg through my jeans. Very warm. If you can handle that, it's a nice phone.
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My opinion would be to buy a G3 or Moto X Pure, if you're looking for something on the cheaper end. G4 is a mess.
If extra cash isn't an issue I'd say wait and check out the HTC 10 tomorrow. The Huawei Mate 8 looks sweet, too, if you can find one.
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I had am M9 for less than a week. It's a beautiful phone that functioned fine but it got hot fast. I had GPS on for maybe five minutes and the phone got hot enough for me to feel it on my leg through my jeans. Very warm. If you can handle that, it's a nice phone.
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What about OP2?
I've never owned a of the OP devices, only because I could never get ahold of them.
Currently, I'm super excited about the HTC 10. It is sounding amazing. Can't wait for a few reviews.
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I am going to buy LG G4. I have heard a lot about hardware failure of this phone. So, what is your opinion on this? Need your guidance,please.
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If I may throw my hat in the ring, I have a G4 and am quite dissatisfied. I am getting a Nexus for my next phone and I suggest you take a good look at them as well.
G4 is a beautiful device it does as commands and is loyal. I bought mine recently and it looks elegant with brown leather. Yes it had hardware failure with 505 and i did get mine keeping that in mind. I own a 512 EU H model. Rooted. Works as a charm. Still optimus has its moments but
Thank god it isnt touchwiz. The camera is jewel and it paints magnificently on the patriot class 10 64gb i reserved for it. Other than that its your call.
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Another vote for the nexus 6p from me. A big amoled screen with front facing speaker running the latest android is a perfect combination. It may be expensive outside the US but if u already consider the m9, the 6p won't be much of a stretch in term of budget. No sdcard and removable battery are nexus' only downsides
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If I may throw my hat in the ring, I have a G4 and am quite dissatisfied. I am getting a Nexus for my next phone and I suggest you take a good look at them as well.
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Any specific reason that you're dissatisfied with the G4?
Nexus are certainly nice phones though
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Any specific reason that you're dissatisfied with the G4?
Nexus are certainly nice phones though
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I was excited because I finally got a phone that wasn't trash and was expecting to get the ROMs and Kernels etc. that a flagship usually has and was lucky enough to get with lesser phones like the original LG Volt. I was quickly screwed by LG. A spectacular phone ruined by hardware problems and a locked bootloader. I won't have these problems with a Nexus, plus the price is better and it has support for GSM and CDMA networks. I can go to and from any carrier I choose while not having to wait 9 months for them to push OTAs or load my phone with trash. It is for all intents and purposes, my dream phone. The only thing missing is external storage, which may change with the next one. If you don't care about root and what not, buy a Samsung. The hardware and software are superb, unless you don't like TouchWiz of course. I don't mind OEM skins, so it doesn't bother me but some hate it. If you don't want a sammy, I would also recommend HTC flagships, they are praised by everyone I know who owns one.
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I guess it can be summed up as having too high of expectations.
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I was excited because I finally got a phone that wasn't trash and was expecting to get the ROMs and Kernels etc. that a flagship usually has and was lucky enough to get with lesser phones like the original LG Volt. I was quickly screwed by LG. A spectacular phone ruined by hardware problems and a locked bootloader. I won't have these problems with a Nexus, plus the price is better and it has support for GSM and CDMA networks. I can go to and from any carrier I choose while not having to wait 9 months for them to push OTAs or load my phone with trash. It is for all intents and purposes, my dream phone. The only thing missing is external storage, which may change with the next one. If you don't care about root and what not, buy a Samsung. The hardware and software are superb, unless you don't like TouchWiz of course. I don't mind OEM skins, so it doesn't bother me but some hate it. If you don't want a sammy, I would also recommend HTC flagships, they are praised by everyone I know who owns one.
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I guess it can be summed up as having too high of expectations.
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Expectations can really be everything. If having complete control over the phone is the top priority, getting a Nexus is the obvious solution. Especially if you want other features like GSM/CDMA compatibility. And the quick updates are great of course.
I suppose I have the benefit of lower expectations - well, mainly in regards to the lack of an unlocked bootloader and the potential for bootloop issues (or the need for a warranty). For me, expandable storage is a must. As is having a great camera (and all the phones mentioned seemingly do). I also like the replaceable battery - as it has the potential to add long-term life to the phone. OEM skins aren't the worst thing, though TouchWiz isn't my favorite. Obviously, I would love complete control of the phone, or at least the ability to completely remove and bloatware I don't want, but most of the time I am happy enough using a launcher like Nova.
The Nexus is a little big for me as well. I'm coming from a 5" screen, so even the 5.5" on the G4 is a little big - and likely would be too big if not for the relatively small size of the phone otherwise. When I was at Best Buy recently, the S7 was definitely the best device to hold in my hand. Looks great, works great, but cost too much for me right now. Also, while this may not be a factor for everyone, the Gear VR did not meet my expectations - and certainly gave me concerns about impact on my eyes and/or brain, as well as doubtful how long the battery would last using it
In the end, ordering a G4 (with a US warranty) + case, screen protector and tax was less than $350. Sure, I won't be able to root it (at least right now), and I will always be cautious about the bootloop occurring, but that seems like a great deal for less than half the price of the S7, and $200+ less than a Nexus.
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Expectations can really be everything. If having complete control over the phone is the top priority, getting a Nexus is the obvious solution. Especially if you want other features like GSM/CDMA compatibility. And the quick updates are great of course.
I suppose I have the benefit of lower expectations - well, mainly in regards to the lack of an unlocked bootloader and the potential for bootloop issues (or the need for a warranty). For me, expandable storage is a must. As is having a great camera (and all the phones mentioned seemingly do). I also like the replaceable battery - as it has the potential to add long-term life to the phone. OEM skins aren't the worst thing, though TouchWiz isn't my favorite. Obviously, I would love complete control of the phone, or at least the ability to completely remove and bloatware I don't want, but most of the time I am happy enough using a launcher like Nova.
The Nexus is a little big for me as well. I'm coming from a 5" screen, so even the 5.5" on the G4 is a little big - and likely would be too big if not for the relatively small size of the phone otherwise. When I was at Best Buy recently, the S7 was definitely the best device to hold in my hand. Looks great, works great, but cost too much for me right now. Also, while this may not be a factor for everyone, the Gear VR did not meet my expectations - and certainly gave me concerns about impact on my eyes and/or brain, as well as doubtful how long the battery would last using it
In the end, ordering a G4 (with a US warranty) + case, screen protector and tax was less than $350. Sure, I won't be able to root it (at least right now), and I will always be cautious about the bootloop occurring, but that seems like a great deal for less than half the price of the S7, and $200+ less than a Nexus.
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Good luck. I hope you like it.