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HTC is crap...

Man so I just saw a video review of Droid X over Android Central and the Moto X got 60fps out of the box without any hacks. But with HTC the devs gotta hack it. Yeah yeah I know some peeps would say we don't need 60fps, but hell for me even if I only get 40fps with nova hack, things seem so much smoother.

vboyz103 said:
Man so I just saw a video review of Droid X over Android Central and the Moto X got 60fps out of the box without any hacks. But with HTC the devs gotta hack it. Yeah yeah I know some peeps would say we don't need 60fps, but hell for me even if I only get 40fps with nova hack, things seem so much smoother.
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Yeah, I'm pissed off with my EVO! or I should say HTC!!! I've emailed them about 3 times now and still no reply in regards to the 30 frame rates per second cap. I'm going to wait until the 3rd of July and return my evo and wait for the sprint samsung galaxy version... i read there's going to be 2 versions, a pro with the qwerty and a keyboard less. Also i read the processor in it is identical to that of the iphone 4. This is bull HTC, i expected the best from the evo until the 2nd day i had my evo and saw my palm pre plays 3d games 10 times better than the evo.

I feel what you guys are saying, but how many of us would have known about this issue so early on had it not been for the members here bringing it to our attention, I would have probably caught it later on and not so soon. And yes it is very snappy with the hack.
Also I'm pretty sure sprint is only getting the QWERTY flavored Galaxy S. Samsung also doesn't have a very good track record with keeping up with their devices on a timely fashion. I left MOMENT due to that and went HTC, not like sprint has an variety of big named devices anyway. I'm pretty sure emailing HTC at this point is a waste of time seeing as they already stated they capped it for *their* reasons. This isn't a problem for me since the devs are working on fixes even tho it isn't their job. I'm not an average user so tweaking and twiddling with my phone is all good for me. But I can see how to an average user this would be an issue if they even decide to care.
I really don't know how any of you guys expect to by any smart phone or gadget for that matter and have it work flawlessly without fault. I still can't get over people getting bent about some light warpage that you only see in dark areas but hey thats just me.

Samsung has pledged to focus more on their Android devices so I would imagine that their past issues with not updating will be resolved...
I'm really wanting the Galaxy S Pro... It takes every other Android phone to task.

take the phone back jump to Verizon and move on SIMPLE !

vboyz103 said:
Man so I just saw a video review of Droid X over Android Central and the Moto X got 60fps out of the box without any hacks. But with HTC the devs gotta hack it.
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Because ONE "flaw" with ONE phone (which is, by the the way, the FIRST batch of the FIRST generation of this phone) obviously means the company as a whole is just garbage?

go4the1 said:
Because ONE "flaw" with ONE phone (which is, by the the way, the FIRST batch of the FIRST generation of this phone) obviously means the company as a whole is just garbage?
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One phone? Uhhh.......

EtherealRemnant said:
One phone? Uhhh.......
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yes, this is the EVO 4G forum. When I say one phone I think it's implied I'm talking about the model as a whole.

go4the1 said:
yes, this is the EVO 4G forum. When I say one phone I think it's implied I'm talking about the model as a whole.
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You emphasized one phone as if meaning to say that HTC hasn't ****ed up on just about every other phone they've ever put out as well...

IMO the grass is not greener at Samsung. I have had the i760 and the Moment and each time I swapped them for the HTC equivilent at the time.
Every device has issues, but at least HTC hacks are much easier to come by...the evidence is in the size of the XDA forums.
The only thing I like better about Samsung is that the hardware is less flimsey, but HTC has gotten better at it over the last year.

EtherealRemnant said:
You emphasized one phone as if meaning to say that HTC hasn't ****ed up on just about every other phone they've ever put out as well...
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I emphasized "one" phone because when you translate his post to English, the rant is:
The entire company "HTC" is crap as a whole because one of their phones has a 30fps cap on graphics.
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...which is obviously untrue.

Guys, we know that the cap is software imposed. It can be fixed. Sure, HTC screwed up by imposing a 30FPS cap, but nothing matches the QQing the iPhone 4 users are making right now. (Seriously, glass back and front? Antennae shorting?)
Basically, the cap will be broken completely soon. It is HTC's fault they imposed such a dumb cap in the first place, but calling the company crap because of that is kind of uncalled for.

Jykinturah said:
Guys, we know that the cap is software imposed. It can be fixed. Sure, HTC screwed up by imposing a 30FPS cap, but nothing matches the QQing the iPhone 4 users are making right now. (Seriously, glass back and front? Antennae shorting?)
Basically, the cap will be broken completely soon. It is HTC's fault they imposed such a dumb cap in the first place, but calling the company crap because of that is kind of uncalled for.
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+1 exactly my point.
OP, play with an evo for a few minutes and then try to say that the (temporary) 30fps cap really makes a difference to the overall experience of the device.

Just go buy the droid x and don't spend your precious time here to tell us how you hate HTC and the EVO because you have so much experience with the Droid X to says its so much better.
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You know, I bought this phone cash for 500 bucks... I'm a big gamer and would really like to play most of the 3d games gameloft has to offer and with the evo capped at 30 frp second, I'm **** out of luck! CALL IT WHAT YOU WANT, but i want my moneys worth and for the look HTC does not care to fix this issue. I just hope the galaxy s delivers where the evo failed to. And for the record, I bought ASPHAL 5 for my evo on the second day I owned it and IT PLAYS LIKE ****!!!! It did not have to come here to figure this out.

EtherealRemnant said:
Samsung has pledged to focus more on their Android devices so I would imagine that their past issues with not updating will be resolved...
I'm really wanting the Galaxy S Pro... It takes every other Android phone to task.
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I'm actually waiting to see how thick the S Pro is. If it is pretty thin I might check it out, even though I will probably never use the hardware keyboard. The GPU alone looks to be kicking all kinds of ass.

Kshawn said:
I feel what you guys are saying, but how many of us would have known about this issue so early on had it not been for the members here bringing it to our attention, I would have probably caught it later on and not so soon. And yes it is very snappy with the hack.
Also I'm pretty sure sprint is only getting the QWERTY flavored Galaxy S. Samsung also doesn't have a very good track record with keeping up with their devices on a timely fashion. I left MOMENT due to that and went HTC, not like sprint has an variety of big named devices anyway. I'm pretty sure emailing HTC at this point is a waste of time seeing as they already stated they capped it for *their* reasons. This isn't a problem for me since the devs are working on fixes even tho it isn't their job. I'm not an average user so tweaking and twiddling with my phone is all good for me. But I can see how to an average user this would be an issue if they even decide to care.
I really don't know how any of you guys expect to by any smart phone or gadget for that matter and have it work flawlessly without fault. I still can't get over people getting bent about some light warpage that you only see in dark areas but hey thats just me.
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You know, I bought this phone cash for 500 bucks... I'm a big gamer and would really like to play most of the 3d games gameloft has to offer and with the evo capped at 30 frp second, I'm **** out of luck! CALL IT WHAT YOU WANT, but i want my moneys worth and for the look HTC does not care to fix this issue. I just hope the galaxy s delivers where the evo failed to. And for the record, I bought ASPHAL 5 for my evo on the second day I owned it and IT PLAYS LIKE ****!!!! It did not have to come here to figure this out.

^Do you really need to post that twice?

I totally get that you want your monies worth, I mean who doesn't right? Also as stated we all would have figured it out sooner or later on our own about the caps one way or another. And yes I agree the cap is nonsense and we shouldn't just "make due" but if you bought the evo as a means for serious gaming I think you picked up the wrong device . But all In all I get everyone's point

adelaney said:
You're crap dude. Change your tampon.
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Oh snap! lol I'll be laughing about this remark til tomorrow.

[Q] g2 or g2x?

ignore this post. go to the general forums instead and answer it. i accidentally posted twice. please remove.

Have you ever given Swype a whirl? I wasn't a fan of virtual keyboards either until I started using Swype. It came stock with my G2, would it come with the G2X too?
I have a G2 and love it, but I wish it didn't come with the keyboard, it adds a lot of bulk. If you could stand it, I'd say wait.

G2x is dual core, therefore slightly more future proof than the g2. If those are your only choices and you can deal without a hardware keyboard, go g2x. But you really need to play with both.
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Nospin said:
G2x is dual core, therefore slightly more future proof than the g2. If those are your only choices and you can deal without a hardware keyboard, go g2x. But you really need to play with both.
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Dual core gives a bit of a performance boost. But the G2X is an LG phone, and therefore probably isn't going to see a lot of developer support. At least not anywhere on the order of HTC devices. Developer support and up-to-date ROMs is better future proofing then just a slightly faster CPU, IMO. LG phones are also pretty consistently underwhelming. Their phones are just not that good. If not for the dual network support of the G2X, I'd say G2 all the way.

i do know that g2x does come with swype preinstalled.
could i try out a g2, and if i dont like it, go to a g2x? and vice versa?

redpoint73 said:
Dual core gives a bit of a performance boost. But the G2X is an LG phone, and therefore probably isn't going to see a lot of developer support. At least not anywhere on the order of HTC devices. Developer support and up-to-date ROMs is better future proofing then just a slightly faster CPU, IMO. LG phones are also pretty consistently underwhelming. Their phones are just not that good. If not for the dual network support of the G2X, I'd say G2 all the way.
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LG was underwhelming because they were mainly in the budget game before. Also, their software skills are at the script kiddie level. Unless you REALLY need a keyboard then I would say G2X or Optimus 3D. That extra screen real estate makes more of a difference than you would think.
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meh, i dont care about screen real estate either. besides, lgs skin is going to be taken off, g2x is mostly stock, besides the obvious bloatware planted by tmobile.

if you have plans to root or any of that good stuff I say go for the LG

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z59oQcIgF94&feature=player_embedded
actually based off this video the G2x will NOT run stock android, as you can see at 1:40 it has samsungs touch UI on it... but earlier in the video you will also notice that the notification bars are changing.... for example look at :24 and then 1:03.... i honestly have no idea what it all means

G2X looks hella ugly. My vote goes to the G2.
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Kevin001111 said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z59oQcIgF94&feature=player_embedded
actually based off this video the G2x will NOT run stock android, as you can see at 1:40 it has samsungs touch UI on it... but earlier in the video you will also notice that the notification bars are changing.... for example look at :24 and then 1:03.... i honestly have no idea what it all means
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i dunno about that, but according to this video it is running stock. which the G series is known for.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXBSu_1jUkg&feature=channel_video_title
Anyways i'd definitly go with the g2x or one of the upcomming 3d phones vs getting a G2 right now which i currently have. i also came from a G1 and im tellin ya, the keyboards not that important anymore. sometimes i feel slower flipping it and actually typing it then just a few taps or swipes, i dont have much to say while texting. and i dont email much from it. with 4" screen im sure the screens accuracy would do justice. The hardware should more than make up for most of what dev's usually work on. I already feel that way about the g2. In the G1 it's exciting because it can get so much improvement, you feel like your actually turning a piece of **** into a chocolate bar (just a metaphor i love the G1), while the G2 you already feel like your just turning your chocolate bar into a different brand, or your adding nuts. So why not just buy the richest chocolate it has the potential to taste the best. Just my 2 cents, you might think totally different or use your phone different.

I like my G2 but If I were buying now I'd probably get the G2X.
The G2 keyboard isn't that great (compared to the G1 keyboard anyways), thanks to that and the awesomeness of Swype I rarely use the physical keyboard.
Dual Core will give the G2X more life, it will still perform well 2 years from now on whatever version of Android is out then, the G2 may be getting pretty winded by this point.
It's true that right now LG phones haven't seen the developer support that HTC phones have, but I expect the newer, higher end Android phones will attract some attention and HTC's increasingly more restrictive security measures will curb developer interest there. Of course this is 90% speculation at this point.

Personally I am going to wait for htc to drop htc G3 or another android phone with a physical keyboard. I do not need any faster phone. Nor I play games. I just text a lot and browse webs.
I don't think saving few sec browsing apps and loading games worth 300 -400dollars so I am keeping the g2.
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eunkipark92 said:
Personally I am going to wait for htc to drop htc G3 or another android phone with a physical keyboard. I do not need any faster phone. Nor I play games. I just text a lot and browse webs.
I don't think saving few sec browsing apps and loading games worth 300 -400dollars so I am keeping the g2.
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There was roughly 2 years between the release of the G1 and the G2, if following the same schedule that doesn't see the "G3" before fall 2012, if the AT&T merger does complete (which I think is likely because we have the best government money can buy) it's extremely unlikely that there will be new TMO phones coming out after that.

TrueYears said:
if you have plans to root or any of that good stuff I say go for the LG
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And why is that?
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raitchison said:
There was roughly 2 years between the release of the G1 and the G2, if following the same schedule that doesn't see the "G3" before fall 2012, if the AT&T merger does complete (which I think is likely because we have the best government money can buy) it's extremely unlikely that there will be new TMO phones coming out after that.
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That makes no sense...why would they not have a follow up to a well liked phone? Not only do they have more customer but also the ability to offer more devices than any other carrier? Seems like good business to me
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Spastic909 said:
That makes no sense...why would they not have a follow up to a well liked phone? Not only do they have more customer but also the ability to offer more devices than any other carrier? Seems like good business to me
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T-Mobile likely won't exist anymore (assuming the merger goes through) and AT&T will be working hard to bring every TMO customer into the AT&T fold. They will have very little motivation to sell a successor to a uniquely T-Mobile phone.
While I do expect AT&T to have a better selection of Android phones than they have historically that isn't a tremendously difficult bar to exceed.
Right now there are 12 Android phones (not counting tablets, color variations or unreleased devices like the G2x or Sidekick) for T-Mobile and 6 available for AT&T, no way they will have 18 or anywhere close to that post merger, I'd expect a selection that's better than AT&Ts but not as good as TMO (maybe 10 or so at any given time).
The only hope that we as consumers have is that now that AT&T has lost iPhone exclusivity that AT&T will dramatically change it's stance towards Android and embrace it instead of offering a crappy selection of gimped phones (the Atrix gives me some hope, for all that it too is gimped)
Even if AT&T does offer a phone called the "G3" it will more than likely be a mediocre phone with a crappy keyboard (think backflip).
Maybe if we are lucky TMO will have already invested enough into the G3 before the merge completes that AT&T decides to release it, after they block application installation of course.

raitchison said:
T-Mobile likely won't exist anymore (assuming the merger goes through) and AT&T will be working hard to bring every TMO customer into the AT&T fold. They will have very little motivation to sell a successor to a uniquely T-Mobile phone.
While I do expect AT&T to have a better selection of Android phones than they have historically that isn't a tremendously difficult bar to exceed.
Right now there are 12 Android phones (not counting tablets, color variations or unreleased devices like the G2x or Sidekick) for T-Mobile and 6 available for AT&T, no way they will have 18 or anywhere close to that post merger, I'd expect a selection that's better than AT&Ts but not as good as TMO (maybe 10 or so at any given time).
The only hope that we as consumers have is that now that AT&T has lost iPhone exclusivity that AT&T will dramatically change it's stance towards Android and embrace it instead of offering a crappy selection of gimped phones (the Atrix gives me some hope, for all that it too is gimped)
Even if AT&T does offer a phone called the "G3" it will more than likely be a mediocre phone with a crappy keyboard (think backflip).
Maybe if we are lucky TMO will have already invested enough into the G3 before the merge completes that AT&T decides to release it, after they block application installation of course.
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I disagree on this outlook, I dont think AT&T would do that, it's just a really bad business move, why would you buy a business out if you are just trying to kill it, especially with verizon and sprint around. That is already the motive as a competitor. You buy the company because it has something valuable to you. The G series and mytouch is one of Tmobiles biggest branded phones and recieve lots of customers, im sure they would keep it that way. they'd probably just change the name of the phone.
and AT&T is not going to give up apple's iphone by choice. That would be a ridiculous move.

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I disagree on this outlook, I dont think AT&T would do that, it's just a really bad business move, why would you buy a business out if you are just trying to kill it, especially with verizon and sprint around. That is already the motive as a competitor. You buy the company because it has something valuable to you. The G series and mytouch is one of Tmobiles biggest branded phones and recieve lots of customers, im sure they would keep it that way. they'd probably just change the name of the phone.
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AT&T has already said that the main reason they are buying TMO is so they can use the wireless spectrum TMO currently uses for 3G and "4G" for their LTE buildout. Sure the customers are nice and AT&T will indeed make some efforts to keep those customers (churn is expensive) but I'm sure that unifying the brand will be a higher priority.
The G series isn't really notable apart from the G1 being the first Android phone to market. As for the MyTouch "brand", that one has always been a head scratcher is to it's reason to exist. I'll be nothing short of amazed it it continues post merger. I would not be surprised to see existing MyTouch devices receive token rebranding immediately following the merger close to kill off the MyTouch brand quickly.
and AT&T is not going to give up apple's iphone by choice. That would be a ridiculous move.
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Never said they would dump the iPhone, what I meant was that hopefully they will feel less compelled to intentionally cripple their android offerings as they have done in the past.

Evo 3D? Samsung Galaxy S II? Motorola Photon 4G?

Has the Photon 4g persuaded your decision when it comes down to what your upgrading to??? Or are you still intent on the Evo 3D or the Galaxy S II???

I'm still waiting to see if Sprint is going to sell the Galaxy S II. The Photon has my interest pending if the bootloader will be locked or not. The Samsung Within is on the top of my wish list, however...

The bootloader has been confirmed not to be locked by Motorola......

Yes, I just read that and confirmed Gorilla Glass, too. It has moved into second place pending a Galaxy S II announcement.

They stated later that the Photon would have a locked bootloader. Here is a link to it:
http://phandroid.com/2011/06/10/des...motorola-photon-4g-bootloader-will-be-locked/

The GSII for sprint is going to be called the Within. We know it's coming, we just aren't sure when :\. I personally would go for the Evo 3D because it is unlocked and will have great dev support. The Within will most likely also have great dev support because it is a great phone and because Samsung recently sent a few GSII to the guys that make cyanogenmod. Both phones have great specs and I am excited that they are going to be on Sprint.
I want to like the photon, but due to the fact that it is locked and because it is running the Motorola UI (apparently not called motoblur anymore) I won't even be looking at it. The specs are fantastic, but those two factors just make me cringe at the thought of buying it.

I had a Motorola phone back in the day even before smart phones were around, and it hit the brick hard on me, so I really don't want a phone from them. I personally will most likely go for the Galaxy S II, because I personally love my Samsung LED TV, I had a non Samsung smart phone, and it did me right [the AT&T Eternity] and still works, also is has phenomenal specs. I personally could care less about the '3D' aspect to the Evo 3D.

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I had a Motorola phone back in the day even before smart phones were around, and it hit the brick hard on me, so I really don't want a phone from them. I personally will most likely go for the Galaxy S II, because I personally love my Samsung LED TV, I had a non Samsung smart phone, and it did me right [the AT&T Eternity] and still works, also is has phenomenal specs. I personally could care less about the '3D' aspect to the Evo 3D.
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I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that most of the people here are not buying the phone because it is 3D. That's just something extra that we didn't ask for. People are buying it because it's a phone from a great company with great specs on a great carrier. Not saying that Samsung isn't great, we have a 40" from them that looks fantastic, but some people just prefer HTC.

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I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that most of the people here are not buying the phone because it is 3D. That's just something extra that we didn't ask for. People are buying it because it's a phone from a great company with great specs on a great carrier. Not saying that Samsung isn't great, we have a 40" from them that looks fantastic, but some people just prefer HTC.
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That's possibly true, and the extra power to run the 3D would probably eat up some of the battery. I have a 32" Samsung LED tv...beautiful in my room at school. And I agree there probably is some bias out there, but I resolved a long time ago, to not get stubborn and be a die fanboy to one side just cuz I like them. I love boy Samsung and HTC, but I feel the GS II has the edge in this competition. Just my 4 cents.

The Atrix was just released here in Australia with one of our local carriers on Tuesday 06/07/2011. So not happy that a few days later, the Photon have been announced. Larger screen, 8mp camera etc etc.
This 2 yr plan is really going to drag along so slowly now.

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That's possibly true, and the extra power to run the 3D would probably eat up some of the battery. I have a 32" Samsung LED tv...beautiful in my room at school. And I agree there probably is some bias out there, but I resolved a long time ago, to not get stubborn and be a die fanboy to one side just cuz I like them. I love boy Samsung and HTC, but I feel the GS II has the edge in this competition. Just my 4 cents.
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That's very well spoken. I enjoy your 2 cents (because 4 just seems like a bit too much)

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That's very well spoken. I enjoy your 2 cents (because 4 just seems like a bit too much)
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Its a clearance sale on my opinion today, so keep the change for yourself.
But thank you.

As of right now, the Photon has my interest. Being able to use it globally is a plus for me. But with that said, if it becomes impossible to root then I may not consider it much. I'm not liking the EVO3D for the sole fact that its a 3D phone. Yes, I know its optional but I'm not keen on it. The GSII would be a win if it does come with a keyboard. To early to say what I would get though.

Well I've already got my EVO 3D locked in for release date. I'm not really a fan of the Photon, as I won't need it globally. I love my EVO, and if the 3D is the same build quality (or better), I will be loving my new phone.
I'm not a fan of hardware keyboards, as I feel like they just add extra bulk, so for me at least, the EVO 3D offers exactly what I want.
Of course, everyone will have their own preferences, and hopefully everyone will do their homework and decide what works best for them (and don't bash any of the other ones just because you like one over the other lol)
Also, the 3D has better power management than (some) other processors (like the Tegra 2). The cores can be clocked individually based on the need of the device or app, so it save power when it isn't needed. I wonder how long it will take to get a SetCPU like app that can control each core individually.
The MSM8x60 incorporates an asynchronous dual-core SMP micro-architecture. Unlike synchronous dual-core SMP designs
where both cores must run at the same frequency and voltage when operational, the dual-core Scorpion asynchronous power
design provides independent clocking and voltage per core, allowing each to work independently. This highly efficient design
provides substantial power savings over traditional SMP technology by intelligently adjusting performance to suit the needs of
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http://www.qualcomm.com/documents/snapdragon-msm8x60-apq8060-product-brief

sorry not to be a **** but who in the hell would want a locked and encrypted bootloader phone from a company that gives a rats @$$ about its customers???...
ona side note is anyone here just going to hold onto their evo and wait for quad cores???

sorry i really like my evo, but if the photon was unlocked and unencrypted id go for it.... right now sgs2 and evo 3d too much alike... htc seems to have beter build quality.... the samsung 4g ... cant remember what it was called for sprint felt reallllllyyyyy cheap... but the screen was awesome

keejung said:
sorry i really like my evo, but if the photon was unlocked and unencrypted id go for it.... right now sgs2 and evo 3d too much alike... htc seems to have beter build quality.... the samsung 4g ... cant remember what it was called for sprint felt reallllllyyyyy cheap... but the screen was awesome
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"Epic" was the name... Kind of funny that it was an "epic" fail. That phone felt like a cheap, plastic, hunk of junk.

I used my upgrade on an echo.

Why does everyone think HTC is such a great company? I've owned nearly every single HTC phone Sprint has ever offered, and in stock form they typically get terrible battery life, and have pretty bad build quality. I went through 6 HTC Touch/Vogues before I got one with a decent screen... Went through 4 or 5 Touch Pros, (and even a Touch Diamond,) before returning them all for overheating issues and terrrrrible battery life... Also had lots of problems with the capacitive buttons peeling off and terrible light leakage.
I had to go through several Evo 4Gs as well... and if you read the forums, there are all sorts of quirky things depending on what screen you got, what hardware version, etc... I don't see how people can be so damn pleased about that? Every new HTC phone is the same way... initially people are foaming at the mouth and forget all the problems in the past, and can only think of one thing--root. I don't get it, unless you are that desparate for free tethering. The custom ROMs on the 4G were far buggier than the stock one...
It seems like people only want HTC phones because the devs fix all the amazingly terrible problems that the phones comes with... My friends and family with Samsung and Motorola smartphones tell me all the time how reliable and rock-solid (physically) their phones are. If the argument for HTC is AOSP... I don't get that either... typically you lose out on many benefits custom to that hardware, (like 720p on Evo 4G,) and general reliability... Why not just remove all the wigets? That's what I did on my Evo 3D... I didn't run a single HTC widget. Didn't even sync fb for HTC, because it's such a battery hog.
To me, this whole "unlocked bootloader or DIE" mentality is just a bandwagon that people can jump on and feel like they belong. I would have stayed with my Evo 3D if it didn't send so many calls to voicemail, and had a half-way decent speaker. Things that I'm hoping the Photon can offer.

chazglenn3 said:
I'm still waiting to see if Sprint is going to sell the Galaxy S II. The Photon has my interest pending if the bootloader will be locked or not. The Samsung Within is on the top of my wish list, however...
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Isn't the photon a tablet ? LOL also from what i read on the net the Samsung galaxy s 2 wasn't comin to the USA no news on it . Everyone is sayin its not coming I don't see it coming here any time soon.

I love my dinc! But what's next?

I'm an original at&t iPhone guy who switched to Verizon about a year ago when the android finally started making me drool over its superior look, feel and operation.
The fact that its open source and has far better customization, sold me in a heartbeat. I started with a Samsung fascinate and was sorely dissapointed. The phone always had bugs and never ran properly. Even after a much awaited froyo update.
I traded my fascinate on craigslist for my dinc about 4 months ago and was very impressed not only with the lack of bugs and lagginess but also at the development that has occurred. The devs for this phone are freakin awesome!!! Thanks guys!!
Now I see dual core processors and larger screens taking over the android market as well as an upcoming iPhone 5 that, I'm sure will live up to the apple name.
My question is simple. Should I keep my dinc until its done, should I upgrade to a newer android device or should I cross back to the dark side and have apple tell me what's good for me once again? Hmmmmmmm.....
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Nothing is worthy of replacing the inc yet. I look daily. Lol
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wollitaj said:
I'm an original at&t iPhone guy who switched to Verizon about a year ago when the android finally started making me drool over its superior look, feel and operation.
The fact that its open source and has far better customization, sold me in a heartbeat. I started with a Samsung fascinate and was sorely dissapointed. The phone always had bugs and never ran properly. Even after a much awaited froyo update.
I traded my fascinate on craigslist for my dinc about 4 months ago and was very impressed not only with the lack of bugs and lagginess but also at the development that has occurred. The devs for this phone are freakin awesome!!! Thanks guys!!
Now I see dual core processors and larger screens taking over the android market as well as an upcoming iPhone 5 that, I'm sure will live up to the apple name.
My question is simple. Should I keep my dinc until its done, should I upgrade to a newer android device or should I cross back to the dark side and have apple tell me what's good for me once again? Hmmmmmmm.....
Comments?
It's wall to wall walls in this place!!!
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I'm keeping my Dinc until it's upgrade time (beginning of Jan 2012), and if there is no suitable replacement (for my tastes) then I have no problems sticking with the Dinc. It's a great phone and will still be a great phone in 6 months from now.
As for switching to iPhone, that's a matter of preference. I'm a Mac user that prefers Android over iOS because iOS doesn't have the flexibility and functionality that Android does. I do think that iOS can be prettier and more polished in some ways, but the functionality of an Android phone is worth more than the eye candy of iOS.

I would say the only worthy upgrade seems to be the SGS2(if it has lte) or the Nexus 4G/htc verzion that are rumored for this fall/winter.

ithrewitontheground said:
I would say the only worthy upgrade seems to be the SGS2(if it has lte) or the Nexus 4G/htc verzion that are rumored for this fall/winter.
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HTC Nexus on Verizon *drooool*

I did a long hard search and honestly there is nothing better than the DINC right now.
The Droid incredible 2 I still wouldn't take just because of the lack of development.

I'd be surprised if Verizon would allow a stock phone without bloatware all over the damn place.. I'd love if I was wrong but I wouldn't be surprised if it was still a sprint phone. Saw an article about how sprint is now going to be removing bloatware or making it uninstallable. Pretty respectable move IMO, but I can't see Verizon following suit.

actually the nexus 4g lte is rumored to go to At&t with their new 4g lte network not verizons and sprint sort of exagerates "lies" the removal of bloatware because you can only remove 5 or so apps

Keyboards said:
HTC Nexus on Verizon *drooool*
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Ill tell ya what, if the next nexus is truely an HTC phone on Verizon, I will definitely get it. Its the best of everything android stands for. Open source vanilla OS and superior hardware. HTC is, by far, my top pick for any android phone!!!! And ics, come on.... What more can u ask for?
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TheWhiteBandito said:
I'm keeping my Dinc until it's upgrade time (beginning of Jan 2012), and if there is no suitable replacement (for my tastes) then I have no problems sticking with the Dinc. It's a great phone and will still be a great phone in 6 months from now.
As for switching to iPhone, that's a matter of preference. I'm a Mac user that prefers Android over iOS because iOS doesn't have the flexibility and functionality that Android does. I do think that iOS can be prettier and more polished in some ways, but the functionality of an Android phone is worth more than the eye candy of iOS.
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That's when I have my upgrade option as well and honestly I'm thinking about switching to Sprint. They have been getting some of the best phones lately. When I look at Verizon's line up and upcoming it seems to be all of the same.

JoelZ9614 said:
actually the nexus 4g lte is rumored to go to At&t with their new 4g lte network not verizons and sprint sort of exagerates "lies" the removal of bloatware because you can only remove 5 or so apps
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Hm i didn't see that.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/19/sprints-fared-adib-we-made-a-conscious-decision-to-scale-back/

Man, there STILL isn't anything even being talked about to be released to consider. Disappointing!
The only consolation is that we still have one of the best phones out there.

I have incredible faith (heh heh) in our devs. Seeing as the inc2 has just been rooted and we have the 2 big boys, cm7 and Miui already available for the device, i believe ill be accidentally taking a shower with my Dinc in my pocket in the next few weeks.
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rfarrah said:
Man, there STILL isn't anything even being talked about to be released to consider. Disappointing!
The only consolation is that we still have one of the best phones out there.
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Also, as far as I'm concerned, as long as the devs hold in there with this phone until the end of this year and port ICS, I will probably keep this phone until it dies.
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Im keeping my Incredible until 3/13/13. Then i dont know if my girlfriend gets my upgrade or i do.
ADR6300

What's next is called the Thunderbolt. It's got a screen bright enough to read, battery life... well, anything has batter battery life than a dInc, absolutely stupid-fast 4G, a stupid-fast CPU that EASILY clocks up to 1.6GHz, and a screen big enough for a keyboard. I lived with the dInc for a long time, longer than any other phone I've ever had. I cannot for the life of me understand how anyone can say with a straight face that the original dInc isn't bested yet. There is literally nothing that the dInc does as well, let alone better, than either the Thunderbolt or the dInc2.

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I'd be surprised if Verizon would allow a stock phone without bloatware all over the damn place.. I'd love if I was wrong but I wouldn't be surprised if it was still a sprint phone. Saw an article about how sprint is now going to be removing bloatware or making it uninstallable. Pretty respectable move IMO, but I can't see Verizon following suit.
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Verizon gets a small incentive from the companies of the bloatware, that's why they put them on there. and i don't think verizon will ever get a nexus bone stock android phone, i really don't, here is why. Verizon isn't really out there for the consumer, they are out there for the profit. hence why, i mean at t-mobile and ATT, if you want a new phone, no problem, walk into the store, and get one at the upgrade price....in the middle of your contract.
Verizon hasn't gotten the idea of that just yet. plus like other companies, verizon does have shareholders to report to (and they aren't happy, they think the data plan changes will ruin their investment)
the only reason i have verizon is because that's the only carrier here with decent coverege, and they really aren't as bad as people make them out to be.

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What's next is called the Thunderbolt. It's got a screen bright enough to read, battery life... well, anything has batter battery life than a dInc,
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that's your oppinion.
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absolutely stupid-fast 4G, a stupid-fast CPU that EASILY clocks up to 1.6GHz, and a screen big enough for a keyboard.
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yeah, we can overclock any phone, and switch to landscape mode to type somthing. and 4G isn't nationwide in every single town yet, i want to know people seem to think that. and not everyone wants a big-ass phone in their pockets. i have somtuing called a laptop, and it works just great if i want somthing better than 3.5 inches
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I lived with the dInc for a long time, longer than any other phone I've ever had. I cannot for the life of me understand how anyone can say with a straight face that the original dInc isn't bested yet.
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maybe because we have devs who already got it to gingerbread? and with that logic everyone in this country on the roads should be driving brand new 2012 model year cars, right now. people are happy with what they have and they make it better. not everyone has 500+ dollars to spend on a new phone everytime they come out.
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There is literally nothing that the dInc does as well, let alone better, than either the Thunderbolt or the dInc2.
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really? there isn't much difference, gingerbread as i said above, is already on various roms for the dinc. the main selling point for the t-bolt right now is that it's a 4g CAPABLE phone. if you are not in a 4g area, you will get 3g coverege. my area won't get 4g until a few years from now. and no, i don't live in "podunk nebraska" i live in a town of about 48,500+ people.
the way you pimp the freaking t-bolt so much... the thunderbolt threads are down there

Kiboe said:
that's your oppinion.
yeah, we can overclock any phone, and switch to landscape mode to type somthing. and 4G isn't nationwide in every single town yet, i want to know people seem to think that. and not everyone wants a big-ass phone in their pockets. i have somtuing called a laptop, and it works just great if i want somthing better than 3.5 inches
maybe because we have devs who already got it to gingerbread? and with that logic everyone in this country on the roads should be driving brand new 2012 model year cars, right now. people are happy with what they have and they make it better. not everyone has 500+ dollars to spend on a new phone everytime they come out.
really? there isn't much difference, gingerbread as i said above, is already on various roms for the dinc. the main selling point for the t-bolt right now is that it's a 4g CAPABLE phone. if you are not in a 4g area, you will get 3g coverege. my area won't get 4g until a few years from now. and no, i don't live in "podunk nebraska" i live in a town of about 48,500+ people.
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Guess what? I had a dInc2 to play with for a week and I still have my Tbolt and I'm about to kernel up my old dInc, so yeah, I've got a hell of a lot more clue than pretty much everyone on this thread as to what I'm talking about. My dInc has been running GB for quite a while now. So has my Bolt. The dInc2 did EVERYTHING faster than the original, running bone stock firmware!
I'm not gonna make excuses for the Bolt. The firmware for that phone, and a good number of the leaks have been lousy. But, the more recent leaks have yielded absolutely bullet-proof, flowing-water smooth ROMs. The question was "What's next?". That big plate of glass next to me IS what's next. There is no question about it. It's not opinion. As for 4G, when towns like Fostoria, OH pop up with LTE, I'm thinking very broad coverage on this side of the Mississippi is clearly coming.... well before my contract is up. Hell! Even 3G is faster on the dInc2 and Tbolt, if for no other reason than they have the power to render things quicker. I'm glad people are happy with what they have. The dInc was, and still is, a solid, modern phone more capable than many devices to come after it. Too bad it looks pretty dated in light of Tbolts and dInc2's and several other phones. When I read someone write something like "I keep looking and I don't see anything that measures up to the dInc", I'm wondering how much crack they smoke. You're either insane, on drugs, or oblivious to reality to think that.

loonatik78 said:
Guess what? I had a dInc2 to play with for a week and I still have my Tbolt and I'm about to kernel up my old dInc, so yeah, I've got a hell of a lot more clue than pretty much everyone on this thread as to what I'm talking about. My dInc has been running GB for quite a while now. So has my Bolt. The dInc2 did EVERYTHING faster than the original, running bone stock firmware!
I'm not gonna make excuses for the Bolt. The firmware for that phone, and a good number of the leaks have been lousy. But, the more recent leaks have yielded absolutely bullet-proof, flowing-water smooth ROMs. The question was "What's next?". That big plate of glass next to me IS what's next. There is no question about it. It's not opinion. As for 4G, when towns like Fostoria, OH pop up with LTE, I'm thinking very broad coverage on this side of the Mississippi is clearly coming.... well before my contract is up. Hell! Even 3G is faster on the dInc2 and Tbolt, if for no other reason than they have the power to render things quicker. I'm glad people are happy with what they have. The dInc was, and still is, a solid, modern phone more capable than many devices to come after it. Too bad it looks pretty dated in light of Tbolts and dInc2's and several other phones. When I read someone write something like "I keep looking and I don't see anything that measures up to the dInc", I'm wondering how much crack they smoke. You're either insane, on drugs, or oblivious to reality to think that.
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Wow man way to be a total ****. I have an incredible and my brother has a Tbolt, I can honestly say I prefer mine over it.
Besides that, although the Tbolt and INC2 *are* upgrades from the INC- for most people they just aren't worth someone's 2-year contract or full retail to get that sort of an upgrade. You've been out of the INC scene for a while it looks like.. and DEV's here are still putting out loads of stuff every day increasing performance/battery life/features -- moreso than INC2 or Thunderbolt since they've been out a shorter time. The INC2 even has issues now where if you buy it and it comes with GB, you can't even root it.
4G is extremely scarce, if you drive out 5 miles from whatever city you're in then you're out of luck as far as 4G goes. 4G is nowhere in my state yet, not even in our capitol (Richmond) and it looks like it'll be at least a year, probably more until we get it. The 3G, at least where I'm at, is fantastically good. I get 320kb/s on a good day and low 200's/kb/s during peak hours. That's enough to stream Colbert report, download movies (I've downloaded 4 so far) and watch netflix without pauses or hiccups.
So.. even if there WAS 4G in my area there really isn't any need that I get it since I don't normally watch HD movies on a ~4" screen or tether it to a datacenter.
Your opinion and mine.. but you don't need to flaunt around your phone while downing the INC (on our own forums) which is a perfectly awesome phone.

[Q]Worry about slow Development?

So I am sure I am not the only person who has (or had) a Vibrant. I am sure the development that is being done on the SGS2 is quality, but there isn't much in the way of quantity (which doesn't always mean much). Am I justified at all in worrying about all this? Does everyone feel satisfied with the amount of development going on for what is still a relatively new phone?
I was considering the Galaxy Nexus, just for the faster updates and solidarity (as opposed to having a different CPU than other similar phones), however the SGS2 hardware is tempting.
I am trying to tell myself that with ICS I can hang onto my Vibrant a bit longer to wait for more options and such, but I want a new phone so bad, and right now the only obvious phone I can pick up easily is the GS2. I am just hesitant after the fiasco with the Vibrant. It's also been so long that it seems like I could wait it out just a tiny bit longer and get the next gen stuff.
(I know the argument about how you can always wait longer, but it has been months since the GS2 landed in the US and it will probably be a month before I am ready to buy a new phone with the holiday season upon us)

Unless you are willing to buy a Euro version of the Nexus outright, you'll be waiting atleast several months for it to be released by tmo. Not to mention if it comes spec'd the same as the vzw version, you won't have expandable memory. Cyanogen is actively devving for this phone and once we get ICS, I think it will be very competitive with the GN.
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What about the low resolution of the phone? Can that be addressed by a new ROM or ICS?

No it can't be changed. You can mess with the density to make it look HD but I don't notice anything "low" about our resolution as it is. I love this phone.
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It is by no means low resolution.
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rbenz said:
What about the low resolution of the phone? Can that be addressed by a new ROM or ICS?
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all the HD games tittle you see advertized are for our current resolution 480x800
480x800 has been considered HD for the longest time, for the past 3 years. it is a standard that all game developer codes for
if you read over the Galaxy Nexus forum the 720 resolution is causing havok on a lot of apps and games...
so go figure
on a side note, here some food for thoughts
DVD quality = 480x800
Blueray 1.0 quality = 720x1280
Blueray 2.0 quality = 1280x1080

degeneration said:
I was considering the Galaxy Nexus, just for the faster updates and solidarity (as opposed to having a different CPU than other similar phones), however the SGS2 hardware is tempting.
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read this while you are still considering it http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1362556
also there's an existing topic about SGN vs SGS2 T989 right here in the forum http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1372420

Galaxy nexus will be released in 3 days. I'm also tempted in using buyers remorse for the nexus. The sgs2 hardware is better IMHO. We'll be getting ics. Early 2012 we just gotta wait for a driver leak.
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well in Canada the GN is going to be released tomorrow http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=19918706
but i'm not crazy enough to go line up for the first day of launch
specially when i'm not even in the mood to get that bug ridden phone, perhaps when they add microSD and a Quad core SOC to it, i'll probably go for it

To me it came down to cost. I had been waiting to upgrade my vibrant to the nexus prime forever. But word is that the nexus prime will cost $299 with full discount which means not only will I have to pay more per month to switch to verizon (currently paying $50 a month for unlimited with no contract), I would also have to pay more out of pocket for the initial device purchase (Ended up getting my GS2 for $380 new in box still no contract from craigslist)
That finally pushed me to go ahead and get a GS2.
I am still very concerned about ICS support. I also felt like the vibrant got screwed on gingerbread (GPS, bluetooth, and camera still suck on GB roms) so I am extremely worried about how ICS will end up. But I am fairly confident that ICS will eventually be released for the device officially (it will be later than they claim)

Something people overlook is that the Galaxy S2 is THE best selling Android phone of all time. That means that it's going to be the de facto for Android development for some time to come. Developers will want to make apps that run well specifically on this phone. Remember, just because faster, more powerful phones are on the horizon doesn't mean that the GS2 will be obsolete any time soon.
I have no doubt that it will also be an overall better phone than the Nexus once it gets ICS. Yes the 720p display on the Nexus is nice, but unnecessary. It's a 4.65 inch screen, for Pete's sake. If you doubt the GS2 screen, just go to your local t-mobile shop and pick one up. Your doubts will be put to rest.

OriginalMemnock said:
Something people overlook is that the Galaxy S2 is THE best selling Android phone of all time. That means that it's going to be the de facto for Android development for some time to come. Developers will want to make apps that run well specifically on this phone. Remember, just because faster, more powerful phones are on the horizon doesn't mean that the GS2 will be obsolete any time soon.
I have no doubt that it will also be an overall better phone than the Nexus once it gets ICS. Yes the 720p display on the Nexus is nice, but unnecessary. It's a 4.65 inch screen, for Pete's sake. If you doubt the GS2 screen, just go to your local t-mobile shop and pick one up. Your doubts will be put to rest.
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I think you mean "THE Galaxy S2", on Tmobile we find ourselves with a significantly different phone yet again. At least this time there is only one on Tmobile. However with different processors on our phones it won't be as simple to translate development over (however being that its a Qualcomm it seems likely that it will be pretty simple all the same, but I have no idea).
My point was it doesn't matter what carrier you are on or what country you are in if I get a GSM GN (possibly excluding VZW).
I know that people here are going to probably defend the SGS2 because that's what they have, but no one has really answered my question and instead commented on my thoughts.
There doesn't seem to be a LOT of development (I have the assumption based on the opinions that what is there is high quality though).
Furthermore, I am not on contract, so I get no discounts on phones, making the GN only about 100 bucks more than the SGS2.
Pointing out the GN flaws is a good call, I haven't been keeping up with that and mostly watching this forum as, like I mentioned, the appeal that I can walk on down to the store and get one makes it a possible buy.
The SD card is something I would prefer, but I don't need. I was prepared to go down to 16gb but hoping for a 32gb.
The major appeal is how many people are still happy with their Nexus S. The Nexus phones just have a longer life span because they come out about once a year and Google supports them.
Some other phones get a similar treatment, but it seems to be a higher risk. Samsung has already mentioned they are working on the SGS3, meaning SGS3 updates will come even slower (I presume though that there is probably still AT LEAST most of a year before we start to see them). I just like the idea of carrying around a little Google baby.
And I am not saying anything bad about the SGS2, I am just skeptical after the whole Vibrant thing (or the SGS in general since as far as I heard GB isn't on most devices, and those that got it got it way late). The hardware looks amazing, and honestly I like the idea of the captive buttons vs only virtual buttons (I like my menu button tyvm). If CM9 is out and I haven't upgraded I will probably go for the SGS2 and put CM9 on it right away, but otherwise I will be worried about the software. Seems like it took a little hollering to get CM support (I could be misunderstanding that thread), so what happens with CM10+? I suppose there will be developers who will porting stuff over, probably.
So that's that. I figure most of this post is futile any way as it seems people get a little defensive about their choices and get upset when you make counter points. I suppose that is somewhat helpful though as it does still compare things, just one sided.
I will end up probably reading one thing online somewhere that will randomly cause me to make up my mind and then just be blissfully ignorant of what I am missing. So oh wells. Thanks for the input so far guys.

degeneration said:
I think you mean "THE Galaxy S2", on Tmobile we find ourselves with a significantly different phone yet again. At least this time there is only one on Tmobile. However with different processors on our phones it won't be as simple to translate development over (however being that its a Qualcomm it seems likely that it will be pretty simple all the same, but I have no idea).
My point was it doesn't matter what carrier you are on or what country you are in if I get a GSM GN (possibly excluding VZW).
I know that people here are going to probably defend the SGS2 because that's what they have, but no one has really answered my question and instead commented on my thoughts.
There doesn't seem to be a LOT of development (I have the assumption based on the opinions that what is there is high quality though).
Furthermore, I am not on contract, so I get no discounts on phones, making the GN only about 100 bucks more than the SGS2.
Pointing out the GN flaws is a good call, I haven't been keeping up with that and mostly watching this forum as, like I mentioned, the appeal that I can walk on down to the store and get one makes it a possible buy.
The SD card is something I would prefer, but I don't need. I was prepared to go down to 16gb but hoping for a 32gb.
The major appeal is how many people are still happy with their Nexus S. The Nexus phones just have a longer life span because they come out about once a year and Google supports them.
Some other phones get a similar treatment, but it seems to be a higher risk. Samsung has already mentioned they are working on the SGS3, meaning SGS3 updates will come even slower (I presume though that there is probably still AT LEAST most of a year before we start to see them). I just like the idea of carrying around a little Google baby.
And I am not saying anything bad about the SGS2, I am just skeptical after the whole Vibrant thing (or the SGS in general since as far as I heard GB isn't on most devices, and those that got it got it way late). The hardware looks amazing, and honestly I like the idea of the captive buttons vs only virtual buttons (I like my menu button tyvm). If CM9 is out and I haven't upgraded I will probably go for the SGS2 and put CM9 on it right away, but otherwise I will be worried about the software. Seems like it took a little hollering to get CM support (I could be misunderstanding that thread), so what happens with CM10+? I suppose there will be developers who will porting stuff over, probably.
So that's that. I figure most of this post is futile any way as it seems people get a little defensive about their choices and get upset when you make counter points. I suppose that is somewhat helpful though as it does still compare things, just one sided.
I will end up probably reading one thing online somewhere that will randomly cause me to make up my mind and then just be blissfully ignorant of what I am missing. So oh wells. Thanks for the input so far guys.
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I realize the hardware is different among the different carrier GS2's. What I was referring to is the overall specifications (dual core processor ~ 1.2-1.5 ghz, 1gig of ram, etc.) when I mentioned the developer support.
In regards to your concern about the screen, I can only tell you that I did a lot of shopping around, testing out different phones and the GS2 screen does not disappoint. IMO, it is overall better than the ones found in the Razr and Rezound, which both offer higher resolutions, so keep in mind that resolution isn't everything.
At this point just wait a couple days until the Nexus is out and give it a hands on. Until you have the device in your hand, you can't really tell how it's going to taste to you. I was infatuated with the Motorola Razr until I actually held one in my hand and hated just about everything about it. The super-thin profile felt terrible in my hands, the noticeable pixels on the screen were distracting, it got way too hot to hold up to my ear, other than the speakers and software (I actually like Moto-blur), it was a complete failure to me. So you never know until you try it.

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I realize the hardware is different among the different carrier GS2's. What I was referring to is the overall specifications (dual core processor ~ 1.2-1.5 ghz, 1gig of ram, etc.) when I mentioned the developer support.
In regards to your concern about the screen, I can only tell you that I did a lot of shopping around, testing out different phones and the GS2 screen does not disappoint. IMO, it is overall better than the ones found in the Razr and Rezound, which both offer higher resolutions, so keep in mind that resolution isn't everything.
At this point just wait a couple days until the Nexus is out and give it a hands on. Until you have the device in your hand, you can't really tell how it's going to taste to you. I was infatuated with the Motorola Razr until I actually held one in my hand and hated just about everything about it. The super-thin profile felt terrible in my hands, the noticeable pixels on the screen were distracting, it got way too hot to hold up to my ear, other than the speakers and software (I actually like Moto-blur), it was a complete failure to me. So you never know until you try it.
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Thanks, but someone else mentioned the screen, not me. I am not worried about the screen, it would have the same resolution as my current phone so I wouldn't know the difference.
Any way, you may have understood this but it was ambiguous: Yes I know the hardware specs are nice (I believe I stated that they were potentially better) but more people would have the exact same GN as opposed to people with the exact same SGS2. It might not matter though, I have no developing experience (I considered it, but I barely passed my Java course 6 years ago) so I might be wrong in thinking that it will be hard to work with stuff for the international one and put it on the tmobile version. I mean it might be simple if it's just drivers since qualcomm drivers would not be hard to find.
Furthermore, I am already being spoiled with ICS and just want it now.
The thing is, the reason I ask here instead of in the GN forum is that I really want to want the SGS2 (well, and people here have looked as the GN where as people there might have never looked at -specifically- the tmobile sgs2). I am actually likely to walk into a tmobile store and walk out with a phone over the winter break, and I don't think I would be able to help myself if there was a stable ICS rom by then.
BUT the fact that Nexuses last so long makes me wonder if I will be whimpering about how I could have got one and didn't, then again the next nexus will be starting to solidify by then.

Regarding the CM10 bit...
The good news is that once a Device is officially in a previous generation of CM, for example all devices on CM6 are automatically included in CM7 and when CM9 is out, all the CM7 devices will get CM9
so in a way, it's a better guaranteed than stock ICS from Google which only goes as far back as 1 year of support, even the Nexus ONE got removed from Google's support list, in the end the Dev had to make their own PORT / build of ICS for Nexus One, as the regular ICS is not hardware compatible according to Google.
so if our device gets supported officially in CM7 and CM9, it will automatically be included in CM10

AllGamer said:
Regarding the CM10 bit...
The good news is that once a Device is officially in a previous generation of CM, for example all devices on CM6 are automatically included in CM7 and when CM9 is out, all the CM7 devices will get CM9
so in a way, it's a better guaranteed than stock ICS from Google which only goes as far back as 1 year of support, even the Nexus ONE got removed from Google's support list, in the end the Dev had to make their own PORT / build of ICS for Nexus One, as the regular ICS is not hardware compatible according to Google.
so if our device gets supported officially in CM7 and CM9, it will automatically be included in CM10
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Then how come my G1 is only unofficially supported in cm7? They can stop supporting something, they might not, but they can. And if they just stop using a device, they aren't going to be able to continue working on it. For instance I heard rumor that the Vibrant will no longer be officially supported, and it only got 7/7.1...
What they say is as long as they support it they will continue to do what they can, but they do drop support on phones as they have to over time.

additional info for rbenz
https://plus.google.com/105051985738280261832/posts/2FXDCz8x93s
As device screen resolution goes up, achieving a 60fps UI is closely related to GPU speed and especially the GPU’s memory bus bandwidth. In fact, if you want to get an idea of the performance of a piece of hardware, always pay close attention to the memory bus bandwidth. There are plenty of times where the CPU (especially with those wonderful NEON instructions) can go a lot faster than the memory bus.​
in that scenario i see more benefit to have 800x480 than the newer higher resolutions

i can understand your feeling completely
It would seem like everybody is either dodging or are too wrapped around the Euro-GS2 to answer your question...i myself have been wondering if there is going to be more custom roms, kernels & etc...i've heard that team whiskey & CM should be cooking roms real soon for the t-mobile galaxy s2. I do believe all this waiting is related to the qualcomm chip in the phone versus the exynos processor in all the other gs2 variants...I just hope this isn't gonna be like theyre doing just bc they don't wanna leave the t-mobile one out of development...but if you do test out the galaxy nexus and like it then go with it, one thing is true about those nexus phones, they are always the first to get those updates...it really comes down to what you want to do, wait a little bit for more roms or etc.

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Then how come my G1 is only unofficially supported in cm7? They can stop supporting something, they might not, but they can. And if they just stop using a device, they aren't going to be able to continue working on it. For instance I heard rumor that the Vibrant will no longer be officially supported, and it only got 7/7.1...
What they say is as long as they support it they will continue to do what they can, but they do drop support on phones as they have to over time.
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You have reservations strong enough that I would say dont get the SGSII, you wont be fully happy. Based on what you said, you should buy the unlocked galaxy nexus they are selling now ($800), or wait for the verizon version. You may regret not getting the SGSII, but I would hardly think that the Nexus would be significantly worse. If anything you would just regret paying more for a similar phone.

agree re: getting SGN instead of SGS2
specially when the OP did mention the lack of SD card is not a biggie
for me the lack of SD card was a major deal breaker, so the T989 was my only choice of good phone for AWS 1700+2100 networks