PayPal here:
Any donations and/or support are greatly appreciated.
11/14/12: withdrew monies from PayPal. Putting it towards purchases of some more hardware. Leaving the donation link up because this project could surely use much more support! Thanks to everyone who contributed so far!
10/30/12: made a quick update to the chipin site. Still working on getting the chipin site and Paypal to sync properly, but all donations are definitely showing in the Paypal, so no worries.
UPDATE: The first donation of up to $50 dollars, I will match with a donation of $50.
UPDATE 2: Due to popular demand, there will be a "learner box" created for those that want to "experiment" with development on a faster machine. There should be enough parts to put it together and have it running as we approach the current project goal.
This is the official buildbox support thread. Many of you are probably wondering what a buildbox is... I will try to explain without getting too far sidetracked!
---Purpose---We are trying to raise money in support of multiple roms/devs. This is not for one particular dev, nor is it one particular rom. Consider this a donation to the community in which you are a part of. This is helping the devs have more resources at their disposal, and ultimately, helping you have a better rom! Please read below for more of an explanation.
---What is buildbox?---For the open source community (CM10, Paranoid Android, CNA, etc), the roms are built from source. Doing this is not very easy, nor is it quick! It takes a lot of time and effort. I don't want to simply 'thank' the devs and leave it at that. So, I have made a contribution to the open source community. I have commited a powerful server to the devs that choose to use it for building open source roms.
Now you say, "So what... they could use their own computer and build roms..."
Yes, they could. However, look at this. For many devs (especially since ICS and above), the build times have increased significantly!! I'm talking 4+ hours in some cases! In steps the buildbox. The buildbox (in it's current condition) has cut most build times to between 20 and 30 mins.
Then you ask, "Why does that matter to me?" Well, the quicker the rom is done, the quicker we discover bugs, and, in turn, can FIX bugs! Think about it: If you were waiting in the lobby at the car dealership for some work to be done and it was going to take 3 hours to complete the work, you wait. You aren't getting anything done. Now, if you were able to speed the process up to 25 min, you could get much more done that day because you aren't stuck for over 3 hours!
---Why does this matter to you?---Maybe more choices of roms, maybe nightlies of your favorite roms, maybe less bugs! A small donation toward our goal will help keep the hardware current and allow for the devs to get the great benefit of a powerful machine. Hard drive space is quickly filling up, the RAM is over full utilization, and other hardware improvements can be made.
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Any donations and/or support are greatly appreciated.
Currently supported devs (a big thanks goes out to them and their work!): Phantomphreak53 (CM10 nightlies), kbizzle (Paranoid Android), and justlovejoy (CNA)
PS: If anyone is looking for more info, has suggestions, or is interested in the project, feel free to pm me. All of the devs can vouch for me (even a couple not listed here). This is a legitimate request. We are counting on the open source community to keep this project going strong.
tl;dr, support open source development and make a donation to the development tools!
This Dude Is Amazing In his efforts to contribute to the true meaning of AOSP for ALL!
Thank You! Without You CNA wouldnt have moved as fast as it did and my future ROM's
Hopefully too! Thank You Again Sir!
If I had the money to throw down on this I would definitely make a donation for this.
Not only would this help cut build times, this would also speed up the time it takes to sync repositories, depending on the connection that the build box has.
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I use to donate to Developers, because they spend time developing instead studying, hanging with friends or family etc.
But to be honest, and judging about other threads by you. This sounds more like: "i want a new computer" than "lets help the community".
I hope to be wrong.
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This is not a "I want to buy a new computer" type of thread.
This is a thread for donations to help keep his server up and running. Running a cloud based server for building from source requires a good internet connection, and I'm not talking 12, 20, or even 50Mbps... at the minimum it needs a good fiber connection with something like 100Mbps down and at a minimum 50Mbps up.
Just think of this, it is similar to a virtual machine you can run at home.. but you can have multiple sessions running at once. Justlovejoy could be doing something, slick_rick could be doing something, sbrissen, phantomphreak, etc. If one needs to do a sync of the repository, there would be plenty of bandwidth and processing power for all of the developers to do so.
With donations, he could go out and get more memory for making backups. He could set a cron job for something like 6 in the morning after the nightly builds complete to make a backup image of the entire build box. Our developers work is safe if there is ever any failure. That means less time reconfiguring build environment, syncing repositories, building, committing changes to github...
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No love for sbrissen? Pretty sure most (all?) of JB development is using part of his code or chris41g's
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No love for sbrissen? Pretty sure most (all?) of JB development is using part of his code or chris41g's
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We would not have jellybean if it was not for sbrissen. End of story. All other developers are secondary.
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csmasn said:
I use to donate to Developers, because they spend time developing instead studying, hanging with friends or family etc.
But to be honest, and judging about other threads by you. This sounds more like: "i want a new computer" than "lets help the community".
I hope to be wrong.
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I invite you to read the information contained in the link to the chipin site. I have tried to elaborate as much as possible to help everyone understand the purpose of this project. I am including a quote from the chipin site (which I plan to update with any future upgrades for the project):
basketthis said:
**Note: This box is used specifically for development. This is not my personal computer. I do not use it to play games, type papers, or do my taxes. It is completely maintained, updated, and kept running by me. On my own donated time and money. And is completely "owned" by others. I do not benefit from any of this directly. The community (users and devs) benefit from this project.**
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I hope that clears some things up for everyone ^
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This is not a "I want to buy a new computer" type of thread.
This is a thread for donations to help keep his server up and running. Running a cloud based server for building from source requires a good internet connection, and I'm not talking 12, 20, or even 50Mbps... at the minimum it needs a good fiber connection with something like 100Mbps down and at a minimum 50Mbps up.
Just think of this, it is similar to a virtual machine you can run at home.. but you can have multiple sessions running at once. Justlovejoy could be doing something, slick_rick could be doing something, sbrissen, phantomphreak, etc. If one needs to do a sync of the repository, there would be plenty of bandwidth and processing power for all of the developers to do so.
With donations, he could go out and get more memory for making backups. He could set a cron job for something like 6 in the morning after the nightly builds complete to make a backup image of the entire build box. Our developers work is safe if there is ever any failure. That means less time reconfiguring build environment, syncing repositories, building, committing changes to github...
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We hope to be able to invite more devs in the future. With more power, greater things come.
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No love for sbrissen? Pretty sure most (all?) of JB development is using part of his code or chris41g's
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I appreciate everything that sbrissen and chris41g do!
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We would not have jellybean if it was not for sbrissen. End of story. All other developers are secondary.
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You are correct, we owe credit to sbrissen for jellbybean. These "secondary devs" have produced many good roms. They have allowed the community more choices. They actively work on fixes. They try to answer the communities requests. They provide you nightlies (for the flash-o-holics out there). It doesn't sound like you are giving these "secondary devs" as much credit as they are due.
This is a completely independent project. Without support from the community, it will be hard for these great devs to continue to put out the work that they do.
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No love for sbrissen? Pretty sure most (all?) of JB development is using part of his code or chris41g's
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We would not have jellybean if it was not for sbrissen. End of story. All other developers are secondary.
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Thats not the point of this thread. Everyone here knows sbrissen brought us JB and were all grateful for that.
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That's my point. Why is he not included into this?. Afaik he is the only one developing AOSP as the thread title indicates.
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That's my point. Why is he not included into this?. Afaik he is the only one developing AOSP as the thread title indicates.
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AOSP stands for android open source project. All of the roms listed are not touchwiz. Hence, they are AOSP. Also, the thread doesn't ever "not include" sbrissen or others. It simply states the devs that use the buildbox that I have created. That is all stated in everything I have written. If you want to donate to sbrissen, that is your choice.
As basketthis has already said... this buildbox is not only limited to the devs that are currently using his server.
I would imagine if the resources like CPUs, RAM, and bandwidth allow for it... any dev that builds from source can use this option to build their source built roms. Even kernel devs such as Agat could use this option to build from source.
The sky is the limit to how many devs could take advantage of this, the only thing that is holding this back is contributions from the community. Instead of donating $5 to a dev, you could donate 3 or 4 and donate 1 or 2 to the build box fund... or you could just donate to the dev and the dev should donate for using the build box. Either way, there will be contributions to help keep the build box up and running.
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That's my point. Why is he not included into this?. Afaik he is the only one developing AOSP as the thread title indicates.
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Umm the point of this thread is for e4gt users to donate (if they want) to this build box so devs can put out their roms quicker and such. Nowhere does it say sbrissen isn't allowed to use it. If he wanted to use it I'm sure he could.
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Hmmmmmm how would one get this build box to try out? I kinda want to "tinker" with source building but my laptop sucks. The specs are horrible
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Hmmmmmm how would one get this build box to try out? I kinda want to "tinker" with source building but my laptop sucks. The specs are horrible
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You must challenge and defeat Chuck Norris at a game of thumb wars.
But, seriously, just trying to help out the badasses around here. If more resources become available, I will be happy to invite more.
I would make a donation to say sbrissen before i made a dination like this. This seems highly risky to me.
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Risky??? Your joking right? This is the type of thing the developers you are going to donate to will be using to build ROMs you are donating for...
This community has been scarred by people like SG...
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You must challenge and defeat Chuck Norris at a game of thumb wars.
But, seriously, just trying to help out the badasses around here. If more resources become available, I will be happy to invite more.
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Its by invite only? No wonder. Fail.
If you can prove you are a good enough dev, you would get an invite to use this service.
How is that a fail? Are you expecting complete noobs to use this and waste resources? If someone wants to get their feet wet with development, run a virtual machine.
This service is for speeding up build times for experienced devs...
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If you can prove you are a good enough dev, you would get an invite to use this service.
How is that a fail? Are you expecting complete noobs to use this and waste resources? If someone wants to get their feet wet with development, run a virtual machine.
This service is for speeding up build times for experienced devs...
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That's fine but it should be a service for everyone who wants to try to develop. I have a itch to learn but like I said I don't have a computer with enough hardware to build a source ROM with. So how can I "prove myself" to anyone. Either way I won't donate to something I got absolutely zero access too. That's just my 2 cents. I'm sure others feel the same.
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I know this is a big request and no one has to do it of course but I think that one of our devs could really help out the community by developing a guide on how to build custom ics roms off one of our bases for us future developers who want to get into it. Just food for thought. Any thoughts on this?
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Good thought with good intentions but I disagree. Current developers are in the first place not paid members of the community. They do enough bringing us great ROMs and to ask for more, I think would be pathetic. The current developers have moderate to extensive knowledge with java, C++, CSS, HTML, android SDK and many other platforms which all have a degree of difficulty and its not something to be learned in a couple of weeks. Which in turn is more than the average Joe is willing to go through. The resources are out there on the web its simply aatter of summoning initiative, like I said, we are already being spoon fed with great software and to ask for more would be silly. Furthermore, it seems like you misunderstand the "developer" title. To be a developer you havrbto bring original ideas to the table and not just kang others work and call your own, which is one thing a lot of people tend to do. Anyone can become a developer but it takes time and dedication, if you're up for it good but many other people are not.
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Good thought with good intentions but I disagree. Current developers are in the first place not paid members of the community. They do enough bringing us great ROMs and to ask for more, I think would be pathetic. The current developers have moderate to extensive knowledge with java, C++, CSS, HTML, android SDK and many other platforms which all have a degree of difficulty and its not something to be learned in a couple of weeks. Which in turn is more than the average Joe is willing to go through. The resources are out there on the web its simply aatter of summoning initiative, like I said, we are already being spoon fed with great software and to ask for more would be silly. Furthermore, it seems like you misunderstand the "developer" title. To be a developer you havrbto bring original ideas to the table and not just kang others work and call your own, which is one thing a lot of people tend to do. Anyone can become a developer but it takes time and dedication, if you're up for it good but many other people are not.
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±1
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This should help
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/Barebones
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This should help
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/Barebones
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Thanks brotha sure does.
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iLeopard said:
Good thought with good intentions but I disagree. Current developers are in the first place not paid members of the community. They do enough bringing us great ROMs and to ask for more, I think would be pathetic. The current developers have moderate to extensive knowledge with java, C++, CSS, HTML, android SDK and many other platforms which all have a degree of difficulty and its not something to be learned in a couple of weeks. Which in turn is more than the average Joe is willing to go through. The resources are out there on the web its simply aatter of summoning initiative, like I said, we are already being spoon fed with great software and to ask for more would be silly. Furthermore, it seems like you misunderstand the "developer" title. To be a developer you havrbto bring original ideas to the table and not just kang others work and call your own, which is one thing a lot of people tend to do. Anyone can become a developer but it takes time and dedication, if you're up for it good but many other people are not.
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I learned in 7 days bro...
Built Paradox I in that time.
But I did have advanced android knowledge
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Master&Slave™ said:
I learned in 7 days bro...
Built Paradox I in that time.
But I did have advanced android knowledge
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+1. It is possible. Just gotta research and ask questions.
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Good thought with good intentions but I disagree. Current developers are in the first place not paid members of the community. They do enough bringing us great ROMs and to ask for more, I think would be pathetic. The current developers have moderate to extensive knowledge with java, C++, CSS, HTML, android SDK and many other platforms which all have a degree of difficulty and its not something to be learned in a couple of weeks. Which in turn is more than the average Joe is willing to go through. The resources are out there on the web its simply aatter of summoning initiative, like I said, we are already being spoon fed with great software and to ask for more would be silly. Furthermore, it seems like you misunderstand the "developer" title. To be a developer you havrbto bring original ideas to the table and not just kang others work and call your own, which is one thing a lot of people tend to do. Anyone can become a developer but it takes time and dedication, if you're up for it good but many other people are not.
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What M&S said and given that most devs dont write drivers or do kernel level deving so I dont think C++ is a requirement. Most of the things done out there are CSS, XML and SDK work from most of the product that is put out. Then java and lastly C++ thats what I would guess is the most common to least common knowledge based on output.
I dont think even knowing how to work a terminal is a requirement because so many of the tools are on windows in gui form
I'm a law student with a degree in history and political science. All you need is some combination of logic and determination. Also learn what not to mess with if ur just starting out.
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LawStud3nt said:
I'm a law student with a degree in history and political science. All you need is some combination of logic and determination. Also learn what not to mess with if ur just starting out.
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Thanks for the motivation.
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just saying bye picked up a galaxy nexus today great dev support but ill be over there now ..anyways i have the epic 4g touch if anybody really needs it donating of course
bye guys
i could really use another one, mine broke.
Consider donating it to the CM team if anything. Or maybe they could buy it off of you for a reduced price. Anyways, hope the GNex treats you right lol
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T.C.P. Needs one as well.
P.s. I hope you enjoy you're Nexus, they're good phones
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T.C.P. Needs one as well.
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Send it to the e4gt cyanogenmod team. They will put it to good use and I bet they will at least pay for the shipping of the device. Contact wtogami if you decide to send it to the cm guys.
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alright u guys cool cm team it might be
I would feel it would be in better hands if it went to Times_Infinity or T.C.P instead of the cm team. I wont name names, but I know who that phone would go to and I personally dont see the need for a github cherry picker to get a second phone. Just my honest opinion.
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I would feel it would be in better hands if it went to Times_Infinity or T.C.P instead of the cm team. I wont name names, but I know who that phone would go to and I personally dont see the need for a github cherry picker to get a second phone. Just my honest opinion.
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There is a lot more that goes into developing cyanogenmod for a phone then just merging changes from the github upstream. There is a large amount of testing that needs to be done along with fixing driver issues and implementing fixes for other issues that are specific for our phone.
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There is a lot more that goes into developing cyanogenmod for a phone then just merging changes from the github upstream. There is a large amount of testing that needs to be done along with fixing driver issues and implementing fixes for other issues that are specific for our phone.
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oh no im not bashing the cm team in any way. Im talking about an individual.
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I would feel it would be in better hands if it went to Times_Infinity or T.C.P instead of the cm team. I wont name names, but I know who that phone would go to and I personally dont see the need for a github cherry picker to get a second phone. Just my honest opinion.
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There is a lot more that goes into developing cyanogenmod for a phone then just merging changes from the github upstream. There is a large amount of testing that needs to be done along with fixing driver issues and implementing fixes for other issues that are specific for our phone.
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Honestly, I both see where you guys are coming from. @brooksyx, your reasoning is because you know nothing of my development background, and I understand that. You know what CM's development background is more like, as does everyone else, which I understand as well. But for the past month I've been working close with sbrissen on this phone, which I don't even own, can't afford to buy one full retail, or even at a 2yr contract price, because I don't have Sprint as my service provider. I would love to be able to help sbrissen and T.C.P and everyone involved with getting AOKP working on this phone, especially since I have a working, booting source built AOKP with the only bugs being what is wrong with sbrissen's kernel at the moment. The decision to donate the phone to whomever he wants to, is mainly up to the owner. It's really tough developing for a device that I have zero access to and having to rely on people to test things and tell me what's broken doesn't help much either. I would be so thankful and very appreciative if he chooses to donate the phone to me, but if he chooses otherwise to go with his original choice of CM, then no hard feelings and his choice is his choice.
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Honestly, I both see where you guys are coming from. @brooksyx, your reasoning is because you know nothing of my development background, and I understand that. You know what CM's development background is more like, as does everyone else, which I understand as well. But for the past month I've been working close with sbrissen on this phone, which I don't even own, can't afford to buy one full retail, or even at a 2yr contract price, because I don't have Sprint as my service provider. I would love to be able to help sbrissen and T.C.P and everyone involved with getting AOKP working on this phone, especially since I have a working, booting source built AOKP with the only bugs being what is wrong with sbrissen's kernel at the moment. The decision to donate the phone to whomever he wants to, is mainly up to the owner. It's really tough developing for a device that I have zero access to and having to rely on people to test things and tell me what's broken doesn't help much either. I would be so thankful and very appreciative if he chooses to donate the phone to me, but if he chooses otherwise to go with his original choice of CM, then no hard feelings and his choice is his choice.
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Hey the way I look at is that no matter who gets the phone its going to help the e4gt scene for the better. Just grateful the OP wants to give back to the scene. So no hard feelings either way!
I just upgraded to the galaxy nexus as well. I must say though, I do miss some things about the epic touch. It has better dev support at the moment. The verizon and gsm roms are not compatible with the sprint variant so at the moment, development is much slower than the other variants. I do think It will eventially pick up, especaily when jellbean comes out, but as of right now. the epic touch has more deving going on for it. Also the battery on the gnex is HORRID out of the box. Even when you install custom roms and kernels, (I recomend cyanogenmod 9 with the kernel it comes with) battery life can't touch the epic.
To the contrary, I do love all the official nightlies and roms from the big name roms, ie: aokp, cm9, and others. The 720p screen is fabulous also! The design is also very nice. The camera is nice as well due to the zero shutter lag. What will make this phone kickass is 4g lte! This phone is gonna be AWSOME when network vision hits! I am over all pleased with the phone, however I wish deving was picking up a little bit....or someone could make a flashable zip making the verizon roms compatable with ours
I'll give the op $50 to donate to times_infinity. Up front. Pm me.
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I'll give the op $50 to donate to times_infinity. Up front. Pm me.
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Thats awesome. I vote for times_Infinity also. I can attest to his work on the E4GT, I was the one that test his build of aokp that was straight from source and not a kang. And as he said, the only bugs were from the kernel which he had no control over (Radio would sometimes sleep and not wake,Screen would randomly turn on and then go back to sleep and 4g was wonky that was it). Times_Infinity from Team SbrissenMod FTW :]
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just saying bye picked up a galaxy nexus today great dev support but ill be over there now ..anyways i have the epic 4g touch if anybody really needs it donating of course
bye guys
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Wow man, that's really respectable of you. Mad props.
so can someone point me in the right direction who to contact
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so can someone point me in the right direction who to contact
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Just send a PM to whomever it is you want to donate the phone too.
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so can someone point me in the right direction who to contact
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I vote for times also
bambam126 said:
so can someone point me in the right direction who to contact
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/me points at times_infinity
Times_Infinity
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Phonesville, Lol
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I'm new to smartphones, android, xda and custom ROM dev, well, as of buying this phone 6 months ago. I am curious what are the guidelines for donations for dev done? Typically, I will download a ROM and if I keep it running for longer than a day, I will donate to the developer, if I continue using it and they continue dev with significant updates, I'll chip in again.
is that about right? Also, what amount is generally accepted as about right?
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I'm new to smartphones, android, xda and custom ROM dev, well, as of buying this phone 6 months ago. I am curious what are the guidelines for donations for dev done? Typically, I will download a ROM and if I keep it running for longer than a day, I will donate to the developer, if I continue using it and they continue dev with significant updates, I'll chip in again.
is that about right? Also, what amount is generally accepted as about right?
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As much as you want. I don't chip in until a very very stable version of a Rom and that amount is significant
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is that typical? waiting until a "very very stable" version is released? I've been throwing down way too early then.
i understand donating as much as I want (it's not exactly a want scale, though, economics do apply) but the question was what amount is generally accepted as about right. going by what apps cost, one may assume $2 is about right, I don't happen to be one of those people, but that's what some may perhaps feel is about right.
hmmmmm, quiet in here for some reason, lots of views, 1 comment. i wonder why.
This is kinda an awkward conversation to have lol. It's mostly up to you. I've donated to CM, for example, because RC unlocked the potential of our phone before anyone else really. There's no requirement to donate, for sure, and a lot of devs do what they do to make their own devices better. And if you've gone through the work to make your phone better, why not help others?
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shouldn't be awkward. I would imagine the only people it's awkward for are those who don't donate. could be wrong but with all the *donate to me* buttons and sig space devoted to dev combined with the spirit of this community ( clicking thanks for helping, for example) I would have thunk more people would chime in, obviously this forum is built around dev and that dev is supported by donations
I've never felt awkward donating to anything, more importantly, I've never felt awkward discussing things that deserve donations so I am unclear on why xda posters who do would feel awkward chatting about donations.
I have yet to donate because the only rom I've ever flashed is CM9 RC1. I imagine there's a way to donate to the folks at Cyanogen. I'll have to look.
I'm definitely willing to donate if I find myself using someone's work, but I've just been hesitant to try so many things because I wouldn't know what to do if I screwed up. I know there's good support by our devs, but I find myself waiting until the community deems a rom virtually foolproof and stable.
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I'm sorry to have to even ask this, but why does it feel like, recently many devs have been pulling down kangs of their work and in some cases outright ending development because of kangs. Did something happen recently, or is everyone just butt hurt because summer's over?
This is meant as an actual question not s gripe
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I think its kinda like if I started another thread and copied the title of your thread but changed the words around and asked the same question word for word in the thread and then added 1 sentence about my day.
I really think devs get upset cause THIER hard work coding theming tweaking is poached and Frankensteined together with another devs work then labeled a ROM with a donate button...
Now I'm sure if the donate button was to the original devs PayPal the world would be a happier place!
Just my opinion...
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Because the devs are not doing an easy job developing and do not request any kind of payment? I think that explains enough.
Kangers could just ask them to include some part of the devs mod to be included in their work and maybe, maybe, to some extent, the devs will allow it.
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As far as am concerned all this software is open source so go crazy with kanging. If a Dev releases there source code why not. That is the spirit of aosp. As long as the original Dev is given credit and the kang developer doesn't try and pass it off as his own work I say go for it.
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The problem seems to lie in some kangers not giving due credit and/or seeking to turn a profit from the work of others. It can be disheartening for someone who puts in hours of work coding to see others take their work, incorporate it into a bit and pieced rom and then ask for donations. It's not necessarily about having your work "stolen," but rather about its misappropriation, if that makes any sense.
It is an open source community, but common decency should still entail asking permission, giving credit where credit is due, and not shamelessly trying to make money off others' hard work.
I agree, I don't have a problem if a kanger had a donate button as long as a) the is significant changes from the original rom. Or b) a pledge to give the original Dev some support/donation towards there rom (I.e. Helping fix bugs. Submitting code to the whole AOSP branch etc.)
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It takes away from their downloads. It's like if I downloaded a rom, changed a couple things and called it my own. If I spent as much time as these devs do and someone called it theirs I would be mad too
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its actually simple...donate a certain percentage of the donation to the original dev..that way everyones happy...kangers will make kangs better and devs dont get hurt because they get a certain donation without much work..
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its actually simple...donate a certain percentage of the donation to the original dev..that way everyones happy...kangers will make kangs better and devs dont get hurt because they get a certain donation without much work..
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The last sentence confuses me. If devs aren't doing much work; what exactly are kangers kanging? I don't mean to be a prick but I think it's worth a thought.
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Most devas take from CM anyways so I don't know what the big deal is.
Personally I think only devs who have their own git should be able to receive donations. If your free and willing to submit your work and expose your source code and what you have done, you should be free to except donations. WinZip wizards need not apply
As far as Kangs go, I think due credit should be enough
Disclaimer : app devs and themers are excluded OFC
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This is the official buildbox support thread. Many of you are probably wondering what a buildbox is... I will try to explain without getting too far sidetracked!
---Purpose---We are trying to raise money in support of multiple roms/devs. This is not for one particular dev, nor is it one particular rom. Consider this a donation to the community in which you are a part of. This is helping the devs have more resources at their disposal, and ultimately, helping you have a better rom! Please read below for more of an explanation.
---What is buildbox?---For the open source community (CM10, Paranoid Android, CNA, etc), the roms are built from source. Doing this is not very easy, nor is it quick! It takes a lot of time and effort. I don't want to simply 'thank' the devs and leave it at that. So, I have made a contribution to the open source community. I have commited a powerful server to the devs that choose to use it for building open source roms.
Now you say, "So what... they could use their own computer and build roms..."
Yes, they could. However, look at this. For many devs (especially since ICS and above), the build times have increased significantly!! I'm talking 4+ hours in some cases! In steps the buildbox. The buildbox (in it's current condition) has cut most build times to between 20 and 30 mins.
Then you ask, "Why does that matter to me?" Well, the quicker the rom is done, the quicker we discover bugs, and, in turn, can FIX bugs! Think about it: If you were waiting in the lobby at the car dealership for some work to be done and it was going to take 3 hours to complete the work, you wait. You aren't getting anything done. Now, if you were able to speed the process up to 25 min, you could get much more done that day because you aren't stuck for over 3 hours!
---Why does this matter to you?---Maybe more choices of roms, maybe nightlies of your favorite roms, maybe less bugs! A small donation toward our goal will help keep the hardware current and allow for the devs to get the great benefit of a powerful machine. Hard drive space is quickly filling up, the RAM is over full utilization, and other hardware improvements can be made.
-=Current goal=-
buildbox project (must have flash).PayPal here:
Any donations and/or support are greatly appreciated.
Currently supported devs (a big thanks goes out to them and their work!): Phantomphreak53 (CM10 nightlies), kbizzle (Paranoid Android SG3 and SG2), and justlovejoy (CNA). These devs have great talents and more work to come. Support the project for them and for your own benefit.
PS: If anyone is looking for more info, has suggestions, or is interested in the project, feel free to pm me. All of the devs can vouch for me (even a couple not listed here). This is a legitimate request. We are counting on the open source community to keep this project going strong.
tl;dr, support open source development and make a donation to the development tools!
I use to donate to Developers, because they spend time developing instead studying, hanging with friends or family etc.
But to be honest, and judging about other threads by you. This sounds more like: "i want a new computer" than "lets help the community".
I hope to be wrong.
Yeah I'll donate when devs step forward using it. And there is a particular piece of hardware you can mention.. ..also couldn't were just use our if it doesn't exist try to start a opencl/direct compute gcc and so on? Hell air crack NG allows for networked opencl of 32 devices 1 high end graphics card is equal to more then 10 high end cpus
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csmasn said:
I use to donate to Developers, because they spend time developing instead studying, hanging with friends or family etc.
But to be honest, and judging about other threads by you. This sounds more like: "i want a new computer" than "lets help the community".
I hope to be wrong.
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Ok, basketthis first and foremost isn't trying to get a new computer. I personally use his box to build roms for two devices currently. If he hadn't provided the machine to turn my 4 hour build times into 30 min, I would be left standing with my d*ck in my hand, just trying to work with one device in a timely manner. A donation is simply that. So all I ask is that you don't come in here and bash him for just trying to give back to the community in his own way. It's his bandwidth and electronics we are using and over time, they will need to be paid for and upgraded. If you don't know the Devs or use their roms, that's fine but don't throw accusations around to try and deface a member of this great community.
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Ok, basketthis first and foremost isn't trying to get a new computer. I personally use his box to build roms for two devices currently. If he hadn't provided the machine to turn my 4 hour build times into 30 min, I would be left standing with my d*ck in my hand, just trying to work with one device in a timely manner. A donation is simply that. So all I ask is that you don't come in here and bash him for just trying to give back to the community in his own way. It's his bandwidth and electronics we are using and over time, they will need to be paid for and upgraded. If you don't know the Devs or use their roms, that's fine but don't throw accusations around to try and deface a member of this great community.
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And there is your Dev stepping forward
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If anyone has any questions or doubts, please click on the "chipin" link I have provided toward the bottom of the first post. There is more info there.
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Ok, basketthis first and foremost isn't trying to get a new computer. I personally use his box to build roms for two devices currently. If he hadn't provided the machine to turn my 4 hour build times into 30 min, I would be left standing with my d*ck in my hand, just trying to work with one device in a timely manner. A donation is simply that. So all I ask is that you don't come in here and bash him for just trying to give back to the community in his own way. It's his bandwidth and electronics we are using and over time, they will need to be paid for and upgraded. If you don't know the Devs or use their roms, that's fine but don't throw accusations around to try and deface a member of this great community.
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You use his box. That cover it all.
Thank you. I was wrong and thats make me happy.
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The more understanding, the better. This tool is out there for the devs and we want to make it better so more devs can get involved. Who knows, it may be a dev that ends up developing for your next phone... The possibilities are endless with community involvement.
Received a donation. I've committed to match anyone else's donation up to 50 dollars. Would like to see this project continue. I will do everything I can to help. Can't wait to get my hands dirty on some upgrades for these devs! They deserve it!
Got the chipin/PayPal sites working together. The chipin site now reflects donation status.
Bump.
This guy is already hosting a build box for Kbizzle, which has made it easier to build his ROMs. I personally think this is well worth a donation, even if it's just $1...
Next time you donate to your favorite developer, send this guy a small donation to help keep the build boxes up and running.
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