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Remember how in High School or College you would have to DO YOUR RESEARCH to find your information before turning it in to your teacher or professor?...So far in the past 12 months this XDA School Research Skill and Overall GPA has dropped. In this SGSII class of the school, we are bringing our GPA up, and now we are on a level thats "considered passing". I was a new student in this class about 2 weeks ago and everyone made me feel like I was at home, but the rest of the school im not to sure about. XDA school was the one everyone went to about everything Android. Now since the teachers and students are slowly turning in degrees, we are loosing a lot of our students and teachers to other schools. We cannot let this happen because this is where it all started. We have to start gaining the quality of our school back, our prestige is dropping.
So lets get started...
Instead of teachers having to spend extra time assisting students, students should learn to RESEARCH and Experiment on their own time. Teachers only volunteer at this school. No paychecks, pensions, workman's compensation, just breaks and retiremen. Teachers should help students more and explain things more in a detailed fashion. XDA School is changing so we have to change with it. Dont fight it, go with the flow and make it work for everyone. There has to be a line to draw in the middle, where students can help one another, troubleshoot, and have fun with the teachers. Im a teacher myself and comming up with lesson plans that will hold everyone in the class over until I write a new one is not easy. Sleep is lost, donations are good, but overall not good enough to deal with the stress in our personal lives because we all go through it. Competition is always present but thats no excuse for teachers to critique other teachers. We may not be together in reality but we are a community, so lets act like it.
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good luck. Popularity of this site attracts the people in school who just want to get by and have all the answers given to them. I can't see this thread going in the right direction. These threads just make things worse to be honest
jessejames111981 said:
good luck. Popularity of this site attracts the people in school who just want to get by and have all the answers given to them...
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to be specific
... on a silver platter and spoon fed
it's not just this section, it's all over XDA, all the popular devices are like that, even the new GN section
jessejames111981 said:
good luck. Popularity of this site attracts the people in school who just want to get by and have all the answers given to them. I can't see this thread going in the right direction. These threads just make things worse to be honest
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I just thought it more people were aware of the issues we would be able to fix them together. Ill just have the principle close the class down if students and or teachers start to bring it down.
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AllGamer said:
to be specific
... on a silver platter and spoon fed
it's not just this section, it's all over XDA, all the popular devices are like that, even the new GN section
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Thats such a shame, i have been around since android rooting started and being here on XDA was considered a privilege
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I miss people being go getters and trying to learn stuff themselves. I think everyone is willing to help a noob but only if they are willing to help themselves. That's what we have a lack of, people trying to help themselves.
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xsteven77x said:
I miss people being go getters and trying to learn stuff themselves. I think everyone is willing to help a noob but only if they are willing to help themselves. That's what we have a lack of, people trying to help themselves.
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The worse part about it is, the quality of the issues people report in threads. Most of the time they are "non issue issues" Meaning its not a bug in the ROM just a problem that they are having.
They will post their problem and hope for someone to get a fix for them and get upset when people flame them. The people who can fix the problem have no right to flame either. Fighting fire with fire has become way to common here. The people dont say things like "I looked online in such and such place but i dont understand what its telling me, or this method is outdated any updates on it", nothing like that, that shows they were putting fourth an effort in the first place. It was such a joy for me to research and learn because it led me to create ROMs and themes. I felt a lot better when I figured out how to fix my own problems and it made me a better Rooted android user.
I think te problem is "free stuff" attracts those type of people. Google has done a great thing with the open source stuff. I wish there was a system in place that encouraged organized companies to produce ROMs, granite that means those roms would be pay only and the current system doesn't work with it. You can choose to stick with the stock touchwiz rom OR you could pay to run aosp made by company X or you could download a free rom made by thursday. How much has this community donated to various devs in "hopes" they dev something good?
Android has blown up recently and people like to customize their phone. Old days of only tech geeks using roms are gone. People need answers fed to them. If they paid money for a rom they should be entitled to those answers given to them.
Agreed..
DARKSIDE...join us we have nice treats T989
jessejames111981 said:
I think te problem is "free stuff" attracts those type of people. Google has done a great thing with the open source stuff. I wish there was a system in place that encouraged organized companies to produce ROMs, granite that means those roms would be pay only and the current system doesn't work with it. You can choose to stick with the stock touchwiz rom OR you could pay to run aosp made by company X or you could download a free rom made by thursday. How much has this community donated to various devs in "hopes" they dev something good?
Android has blown up recently and people like to customize their phone. Old days of only tech geeks using roms are gone. People need answers fed to them. If they paid money for a rom they should be entitled to those answers given to them.
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Yea brother, i mean ill say yea again to that one. If people actually paid for me to deliver week in and week out id quit my day job seriously to work right here from home.
if you want money just have sammy start a thread for you
I was here from the start with the G1, granted out was a few months after the release, buy nonetheless I did my own research asked questions when I was TRULY stuck and solved my own problems by searching the threads/forums. People come in here (XDA) and "flame" one another for asking a question and folks that come in here creating threads and posts REPEATEDLY about the same topic. It honestly needs to be stopped and monitored more closely because all it does is clutter threads and makes it difficult for those trying to do it on their own.
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I haven't been here as long as most but since I joined when I purchased my evo it went from thank you to gimme gimme. Not to mention the flame fests,including entire threads filled with pics about the ensuing flame fest. Infractions should start being issued a lot more frequently and even to the point of issuing them to the members who post nothing questions over and over again and get in a tiff when they don't get an answer for "why is my phone crashing after I didn't wipe from cm7 to sense"anyways just wish it would go back to respect and appreciation.
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as ridiculous as it seems, Maybe their should be an entire thread dedicated to a Roms "Issues" - I know creating another thread means another one to view, but jesus think about how many times a market error question could be answered by the title of a thread there and the amount of pages it would save on any given rom. I know this is literally bending to the will of noobs who won't research, but if you can't teach them, at least try to confine them
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if you want money just have sammy start a thread for you
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???...I dont follow you.
I never ask people to donate. Hes doing a bounty to get Eugene373 here.
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hunterjay7 said:
as ridiculous as it seems, Maybe their should be an entire thread dedicated to a Roms "Issues" - I know creating another thread means another one to view, but jesus think about how many times a market error question could be answered by the title of a thread there and the amount of pages it would save on any given rom. I know this is literally bending to the will of noobs who won't research, but if you can't teach them, at least try to confine them
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I see what your saying but that defeats the purpose, if i create a market error thread, then theyll ask for just about everything, the flood gates would open right up. If people would stop being lazy then everything would be ok.
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jessejames111981 said:
if you want money just have sammy start a thread for you
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Lol
SGSII T989~ juggernaut v4.1~synergy v0.10
jessejames111981 said:
if you want money just have sammy start a thread for you
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lmfao 10char
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???...I dont follow you.
I never ask people to donate. Hes doing a bounty to get Eugene373 here.
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Its an inside joke (a good one too) based on the amount of bounty threads he does and how quick he is to start them.
Reading this thread bummed me out. I'm somewhat new to all of this, and in the last couple of months have learned an INSANE amount about the android OS and how to make it "mine". I would have never been able to do so without the much appreciated help of all the knowledgeable people here on XDA. Yes, I agree, there are a crazy amount of duplicate posts, and pricks, and mindless idiots who for some reason have no issue posting a bash on a hard working dev for no apparent reason (f#& k those morons). Here is my question. What do you think of someone like me, who asks questions when he is stuck, and probably will continue to do so whenever he is hopelessly stuck, but always shows appreciation for valuable help received? There seem to be plenty of people here who enjoy helping noobs like me. I've helped a few, and it felt pretty good.
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so today i was reading through the FF09 thread, and it seems like this build as well as FF02 have seemed to have taken a large step backwards. but then i look around the development forum and see all of the crazy things our amazing devs do, and i thought to myself:
A.) i wonder what these devs do as their day jobs, because the roms put out by them seem to be leaps and bounds better than the roms put out by the actual Samsung devs.
B.) i was wondering what you devs went to college for, if it had anything to do with computer science, or if you just taught yourselves,
and C.) if our devs are so much better than samsung's, and releasing kernel source would allow our devs to do so much more, why dont they just release it and let guys like Calk, and Venum and all of our other amazing devs go crazy on some roms. its not like any of us are going to be running stock ice cream sandwhich...
so if anyone wants to reply, or not, go ahead. just a few things i was curious about. the XDA and android community has started a hobby for me that i never knew about before, and has even got me considering switching my major next year to something computer related. i would love to hear from all or some of the devs, and get their perspectives on this
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so today i was reading through the FF09 thread, and it seems like this build as well as FF02 have seemed to have taken a large step backwards. but then i look around the development forum and see all of the crazy things our amazing devs do, and i thought to myself:
A.) i wonder what these devs do as their day jobs, because the roms put out by them seem to be leaps and bounds better than the roms put out by the actual Samsung devs.
B.) i was wondering what you devs went to college for, if it had anything to do with computer science, or if you just taught yourselves,
and C.) if our devs are so much better than samsung's, and releasing kernel source would allow our devs to do so much more, why dont they just release it and let guys like Calk, and Venum and all of our other amazing devs go crazy on some roms. its not like any of us are going to be running stock ice cream sandwhich...
so if anyone wants to reply, or not, go ahead. just a few things i was curious about. the XDA and android community has started a hobby for me that i never knew about before, and has even got me considering switching my major next year to something computer related. i would love to hear from all or some of the devs, and get their perspectives on this
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Ditto
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Dedication.
I agree Samsung/Sprint should be snatching these guys up but then I'd hate to lose them.
This is why people should always be appreciative of the work that is given so freely, other than donations here and there (or for some none at all) these guys are working for nothing more than the pleasure of helping out and learning.
I love xda without the developers we wouldn't have awesome ics roms or ics for that matter. I appreciate all the hard work they do for all us to enjoy
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In all honesty, Samsung is building from scratch, while we're taking their build and tweaking it. It's a lot easier when you're tweaking a base, rather than creating it. But it is disappointing that certain flaws are fixed by people who treat this as a hobby as opposed to those that base their career on this.
I agree with the OP though. I am curious as to what our devs do as a day job/ how they got started in developing roms.
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I agree with the OP though. I am curious as to what our devs do as a day job/ how they got started in developing roms.
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I wish xda can start some shorts of online classes Where u can Learn all this tricks and tweaks. Thanks to all devs once again without them phones would be boring.
I am A Police Officer and in the Army National Guard. I have a wife and kids and they all play sports (and yes my wife stays mad at me because I'm always flashing/developing something for our phones lol)... So my life is busy busy AND I'm a moderator here at XDA to top it off. I have not been to college for ANY of the things I do here... I've learn them all from XDA... Reading, learning, doing BRICKING lol. I know there are some that won't believe that, but its true and I have no reason to lie. I started theming on another site, continued here, and began to build a rom thought, could I build a rom that I like? I finally tried and after about 52 flashes it finally booted... I've been hooked ever since... I started our Team to have other like minded people come together and help eachother... I am now trying to pass on what I know to some of them... But you know what? I don't know everything and half the time I learn more from THEM. So it keeps me going when I get burned out developing, the team just by asking or having me test their stuff... its all so much fun... XDA has been good to me, users and the people who run the show. I'm still here because I love tweaking the hell out of these phones and making it better... and when you guys like it, that makes it even more worthwhile...
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In all honesty, Samsung is building from scratch, while we're taking their build and tweaking it. It's a lot easier when you're tweaking a base, rather than creating it. But it is disappointing that certain flaws are fixed by people who treat this as a hobby as opposed to those that base their career on this.
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Not everyone here is necessarily on the level of modifying/porting things from compiled releases. Its a short cut for us because we have an ICS base to work off of but even without it I think CM9 would be only slightly behind Samsung instead they are at or exceeded in some areas. But the Epic 4G developers for example did some fantastic work and I assume combined with help from CM developers ended up with with both an official 7 and 9, with 9 being from non Samsung derived source.
I found it funny to see the early builds and first 2 CM9 port Alphas to have the exact same issues that Samsung had just fixed in the latest leaks of the period. Just interesting to watch our guys doing very similar work. Some of the issues on sbrissens cm9 source kernel are also reminiscent of the earlier leaks.
What is a job? Im a homeless bum that has access to starbucks wifi and has ubuntu based laptop. I stole this laptop from some guy at starbucks and I think his name was Calk??? Lol.
My job is very boring so I have alot of free time while working.
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VeNuM-thanks for all the hard work. The Phone, yeah but especially being out there keeping the citizens safe.
Doc
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Venum - for all the things you do for this community, and all the thanks you get on here for your ridiculous roms, you should get a thousand more thanks for what you do for your community and your country.
so thank you, not only for making my phone sick, but for protecting my right to live in a country where i can get an excellent education, and do something with my life other then mashing my volume buttons in cwm all day
Why's everyone rude here? Developers of ROMs don't spend hours of hard work just to be dissed. Yo. They do it because its something they mildly enjoy/want to do and wanna contribute. Being rude makes them want to not do this for us. You all can feel free to learn C, Java, C++ and the Linux command line and make us a flawless build. Although most of us aren't really capable of this. Myself included. So next time you wanna complain because something doesn't work, remember, they have lives too. Bug reports are fine, just be respectful! You all watched the noob video, right?
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There's a noob video? Missed that one, gonna go watch it lol :thumbup:
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What I really love is when someone fubars their device because they don't even belong trying to modify them and then they get upset noone can help because their lack of reading directions/warnings has left them with a brick.
This site should be pay-for-use for non devs, that would eliminate a major amount of 1 time posters and all trolls.
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This site should be pay-for-use for non devs, that would eliminate a major amount of 1 time posters and all trolls.
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Most horrible idea I've heard lol. If this happened, no one would come here.....
Also, IN MY OPINION, some devs are too sensitive. There are people in this world who are going to complain and/or expect things they didn't work for themselves. It's just how it is. If I were a dev and people were complaining to me, I'd tell them "go learn how to code your own, then come talk to me." And then go on with my day without it phasing me. I wouldn't quit the work I love and stop sharing things because that one person out of the hundreds decides to complain and doesn't like the way I'm doing things. I've seen it happen, and it's pathetic in my opinion.
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Most horrible idea I've heard lol. If this happened, no one would come here.....
Also, IN MY OPINION, some devs are too sensitive. There are people in this world who are going to complain and/or expect things they didn't work for themselves. It's just how it is. If I were a dev and people were complaining to me, I'd tell them "go learn how to code your own, then come talk to me." And then go on with my day without it phasing me. I wouldn't quit the work I love and stop sharing things because that one person out of the hundreds decides to complain and doesn't like the way I'm doing things. I've seen it happen, and it's pathetic in my opinion.
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I did love it, but not anymore, its been driven out of me by countless insults and utter stupidity that seems to occur constantly. I know its your opinion "some" are to sensitive, but its a personal work I'm sharing, having someone pm me that its an utter waste of time to flash because its a broken pile of....etc is a very personal insult and I see no reason to continue when I get responses like that for my time and effort.
Also, I'm not required to share anything I do, hell I can go pay per build if I feel like it. I did this because people wanted it, and I could provide it, that's all.
Its not making me stop doing something I love, it made me stop loving what I do.
I'm not sure if you dev or not, but really, until you deal with it yourself, you don't really understand where we come from. Some say go f yourselves, others just vanish, and then there's some like me that despite being burned out keep trying make the community happy (and mostly succeeding) and just get to a point where its not worth the insults anymore.
Also I'm sure there are a lot more devs that have been doing this longer then a few months and are maybe used to it.
I don't even own an a100 so its not like I just happened to have made something and shared it, I built it just for the community, I'll never run it myself.
Call it pathetic if you wish, but in my opinion you dunno what you're talking about.
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I did love it, but not anymore, its been driven out of me by countless insults and utter stupidity that seems to occur constantly. I know its your opinion "some" are to sensitive, but its a personal work I'm sharing, having someone pm me that its an utter waste of time to flash because its a broken pile of....etc is a very personal insult and I see no reason to continue when I get responses like that for my time and effort.
Also, I'm not required to share anything I do, hell I can go pay per build if I feel like it. I did this because people wanted it, and I could provide it, that's all.
Its not making me stop doing something I love, it made me stop loving what I do.
I'm not sure if you dev or not, but really, until you deal with it yourself, you don't really understand where we come from. Some say go f yourselves, others just vanish, and then there's some like me that despite being burned out keep trying make the community happy (and mostly succeeding) and just get to a point where its not worth the insults anymore.
Also I'm sure there are a lot more devs that have been doing this longer then a few months and are maybe used to it.
I don't even own an a100 so its not like I just happened to have made something and shared it, I built it just for the community, I'll never run it myself.
Call it pathetic if you wish, but in my opinion you dunno what you're talking about.
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I go through this almost every day actually. Maybe not making ROMs or developing programs for phones, but I have unruly people who comment and criticize my work all day long. It all goes in one ear and out the other because I know that some people are just like that and aren't thankful. I also know that I am good at what I do and that over the past few years I have pleased A LOT more people than I've disgruntled. I guess it has a lot to do with how different people cope with different things. With me, logic trumps emotion and it's very hard for me to take someone saying " your work sucks and you're a [email protected]" seriously lol. If someone pmed me and said my ROM is "an utter waste of time to flash and its broken," guess what? There's a delete button or I would just ignore it. There's going to be people like this no matter what field of work you're in.
I may not be a dev, but I do know how you feel. Alas, I'd like to say that I personally appreciate and respect you and every other dev here. They do great work for free most of the time and I honestly have no place to complain and neither do these other people. However, they shouldn't be discouraged and want to quit. Whatever happened to the "sticks and stones" rule?
Pay per build? That sounds great and I don't know why no one is doing this. If I were a dev I'd be all over making money for my hard work. Hell, I'd pay for a good ROM. It's totally worth it. But then again, it would be hard to regulate because there would need to be refunds given and stuff like that if people aren't happy lol you just never win as a dev, do you?
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I go through this almost every day actually. Maybe not making ROMs or developing programs for phones, but I have unruly people who comment and criticize my work all day long. It all goes in one ear and out the other because I know that some people are just like that and aren't thankful. I also know that I am good at what I do and that over the past few years I have pleased A LOT more people than I've disgruntled. I guess it has a lot to do with how different people cope with different things. With me, logic trumps emotion and it's very hard for me to take someone saying " your work sucks and you're a [email protected]" seriously lol. If someone pmed me and said my ROM is "an utter waste of time to flash and its broken," guess what? There's a delete button or I would just ignore it. There's going to be people like this no matter what field of work you're in.
I may not be a dev, but I do know how you feel. Alas, I'd like to say that I personally appreciate and respect you and every other dev here. They do great work for free most of the time and I honestly have no place to complain and neither do these other people. However, they shouldn't be discouraged and want to quit. Whatever happened to the "sticks and stones" rule?
Pay per build? That sounds great and I don't know why no one is doing this. If I were a dev I'd be all over making money for my hard work. Hell, I'd pay for a good ROM. It's totally worth it. But then again, it would be hard to regulate because there would need to be refunds given and stuff like that if people aren't happy lol you just never win as a dev, do you?
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Yes sadly everyone does want something different from any ROM, one will never satisfy all.
Not to get personal but what do you do for work that would subject you to that kind of...feedback? And I just noticed haole lol. Not sure if its what I'm thinking, but I was born in Hawaii, I'm hapa.
Anyways as I said I take it all quite personally, especially now as it was basically a favor for someone who asked me to come back.
That said, on topic again, some people just don't understand the amount of work involved and how calling it trash (this is quite edited ofc) is almost the same a calling me the same thing. They also don't care about the time it takes and just expect it to be given to them, or demand features or additions without considering it may be past the dev's abilities or desire to even do it. It comes down to they think they're entitled to it, when and how they want it, but seen willing to learn to do it themselves.
Also the whole internet mentality of its a screen name, not a person. Insulting pio_masaki isn't the same as standing in front of me and saying the same thing. I disagree with this mentality and prefer to consider it a person, not a screen name. Strangely I'm perfectly fine ignoring some a hole insulting me in person, yet take it personally about a ROM lol.
And pay per build would be quite difficult to implement, especially because it would need tailored per user, the time wouldn't be worth the cost to me, or the cost wouldn't be worth it for the user, I mean figure $10 an hour to build a ROM to be worth my time. User wants a cm10, tablet ui, memory bar added. Takes me 6 hours to implement the changes, sync, build. Would you pay $60 for a ROM for an a100? Not likely. I don't mean you personally, but the average user. They'll just use B1 instead lol. Maybe if I came and installed it for you or something lol
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Felt my rant belonged here. And a note on it, this is not aimed at A100 users, but everywhere on XDA.
Civatio-Retired
Pio-Retired
Linuxsociety-Retired
Waydownsouth-MIA/Retired
These were the major players when it came to ROM development on the A100.
And the general public has annoyed/angered most of them to the point of retirement or quitting.
What is wrong with people today?
I used to love chatting on forums with random people with common interests. Than I came to XDA. I'm not talking to anyone specific here OK, but in general, I've never met a mass gathering of people with common interest that act so hateful, childish, ungrateful, and reduce themselves to petty squabbles on a nearly hourly basis. And I am guilty of these acts of well. We all just need to step back in most situations and ask ourselves can I do this? or aren't I hear to learn and help?
I guess there's no point to my rant...
Looks like it's time to teach myself how to atleast update source.
I'm not talking about an expensive fee, ever $5 per year would be enough to keep the trolls away, Many years ago people said they'd never pay for torrent sites no look at the state of torrenting. Newsgroups are flourishing while free torrent sites are few and far between and their content is lackluster at best.
I would also be up for allowing devs to have ban powers in their own build threads. These guys do a service 99.9999% of us can't do, they do it for free and they get abuse for it. Keep your device stock if you can't act like an adult for one, and don't modify your device if you are unable to handle the real possibility of it going horribly wrong.
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Felt my rant belonged here. And a note on it, this is not aimed at A100 users, but everywhere on XDA.
Civatio-Retired
Pio-Retired
Linuxsociety-Retired
Waydownsouth-MIA/Retired
These were the major players when it came to ROM development on the A100.
And the general public has annoyed/angered most of them to the point of retirement or quitting.
What is wrong with people today?
I used to love chatting on forums with random people with common interests. Than I came to XDA. I'm not talking to anyone specific here OK, but in general, I've never met a mass gathering of people with common interest that act so hateful, childish, ungrateful, and reduce themselves to petty squabbles on a nearly hourly basis. And I am guilty of these acts of well. We all just need to step back in most situations and ask ourselves can I do this? or aren't I hear to learn and help?
I guess there's no point to my rant...
Looks like it's time to teach myself how to atleast update source.
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heh, people,EVERYWHERE are having issues...its like common descency and respect are things of the past..im a college adjunct proffesor and see some reall asshatery ...end of my rant...sorta..for those who do the hard work,much respect,..take what people say with a grain of salt..
haoleflip said:
Most horrible idea I've heard lol. If this happened, no one would come here.....
Also, IN MY OPINION, some devs are too sensitive. There are people in this world who are going to complain and/or expect things they didn't work for themselves. It's just how it is. If I were a dev and people were complaining to me, I'd tell them "go learn how to code your own, then come talk to me." And then go on with my day without it phasing me. I wouldn't quit the work I love and stop sharing things because that one person out of the hundreds decides to complain and doesn't like the way I'm doing things. I've seen it happen, and it's pathetic in my opinion.
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Depends on the individual...I completely agree with this. It's just been my personality since I was young (grew up in Brooklyn, NY...you NEED tough skin there). If I'm doing something and one or two don't like it, oh well, I know there's almost 1,000 (in this case a **** load of people!) who do! But oh well...everyone is different...I would find more satisfaction in the fact i'm contributing to the longevity of a device and others are using MY **** somewhere in this world and enjoying it.
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Depends on the individual...I completely agree with this. It's just been my personality since I was young (grew up in Brooklyn, NY...you NEED tough skin there). If I'm doing something and one or two don't like it, oh well, I know there's almost 1,000 (in this case a **** load of people!) who do! But oh well...everyone is different...I would find more satisfaction in the fact i'm contributing to the longevity of a device and others are using MY **** somewhere in this world and enjoying it.
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I've come across a random guy at a McDonald's using my ROM before lol
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I've come across a random guy at a McDonald's using my ROM before lol
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That's awesome! Must've been a great feeling....
I've never meant anyone with anything I've ever made
That is cool as hell though!
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I try to be kind as possible, I would imagine how all the negative insults would add up and get annoying after a while. I am pretty young and only know enough to use things you devs make and post on here and that's only because i follow directions.But I would like to learn all this stuff and become a dev. Its gotta be pretty cool knowing you make things that hundreds of people use daily
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I try to be kind as possible, I would imagine how all the negative insults would add up and get annoying after a while. I am pretty young and only know enough to use things you devs make and post on here and that's only because i follow directions.But I would like to learn all this stuff and become a dev. Its gotta be pretty cool knowing you make things that hundreds of people use daily
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Just over a hundred on the a100, just over a thousand on the thrive. My last cm10 is over 1020 downloads now. I should charge per download lol
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Just over a hundred on the a100, just over a thousand on the thrive. My last cm10 is over 1020 downloads now. I should charge per download lol
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If you charged per download not as much people would keep downloading every build you put out. I've used almost every single one of the builds you put out, the only other persons ROMs I have used is civato. And if you charged per download I know I wouldn't nearly use as much of your builds as I have. I would only download one of your builds every once in a while, and I don't even know how I would pay you since I don't even have a credit card or debit card or whatever you use to pay online. But if you could manage to keep the amount of downloads you have now while making people pay you would make a lot of money!
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If you charged per download not as much people would keep downloading every build you put out. I've used almost every single one of the builds you put out, the only other persons ROMs I have used is civato. And if you charged per download I know I wouldn't nearly use as much of your builds as I have. I would only download one of your builds every once in a while, and I don't even know how I would pay you since I don't even have a credit card or debit card or whatever you use to pay online. But if you could manage to keep the amount of downloads you have now while making people pay you would make a lot of money!
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I wouldn't actually do that lol
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I wouldn't actually do that lol
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I figured, I was just saying if you did
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I figured, I was just saying if you did
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Wonder if I can setup some kind get paid per download link or something. Probably wouldn't pay enough to be worth the hassle to people anyways.
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Hi, I'm Jacob. And I don't know if this is in the correct section, but I do plan on developing apps mainly for the Galaxy S3, so hopefully I've chosen the section wisely...
Now that that's out of the way, I'd like to say that I'm very interested in Android Development. Unfortunately I have no coding knowlage at all. I would love to learn Java, C++, etc. Is there anybody who would be willing to take me under their wing and teach me some of this? Whether it's just simple stuff or not, I honestly don't care. I would just love to jump into creating insane root apps right now, but I have nowhere near the kind of knowlage that I need to even get started. I'm also interested in creating custom ROMs. (and or themes)
Anyways, my point is, I'd like help, and I want to know if there is anybody willing to.
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Hi, I'm Jacob. And I don't know if this is in the correct section, but I do plan on developing apps mainly for the Galaxy S3, so hopefully I've chosen the section wisely...
Now that that's out of the way, I'd like to say that I'm very interested in Android Development. Unfortunately I have no coding knowlage at all. I would love to learn Java, C++, etc. Is there anybody who would be willing to take me under their wing and teach me some of this? Whether it's just simple stuff or not, I honestly don't care. I would just love to jump into creating insane root apps right now, but I have nowhere near the kind of knowlage that I need to even get started. I'm also interested in creating custom ROMs. (and or themes)
Anyways, my point is, I'd like help, and I want to know if there is anybody willing to.
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Good luck man. I've tried finding help to no avail. Programming and all this good stuff takes time and skill.... Very little time on people's hands these days....
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If I can, I would recommend reading through "Java Methods A and AB" to learn java. Very well written and theres a pdf of it online if you search too.
Thats how I learned and other than that, its just putting lots of time into it. I research everything I come across that I'm not familiar with, and now apart from the things actually covered in that book, I know how to make nice GUI's, how to cryptographic encoders work, how to bundle resources with a runnable JAR, etc. You just have to be willing to put the time in to learn, but from there its easy
Also, if you come across it too early, I would suggest not messing with threading and concurrency until you have a good grasp of java
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you can't jump directly into android programming ,first, learn java and you'll be better off . After you've acquired sufficient skills in basic java - developer.android.com can assist you furthers . Make no mistake this ain't cat walk and would take time and patience since you are starting from absolute zero . Moreover i don't think anybody would love to take you - 'under their wings' - you are on your own mostly unless you take up some real time courses/classes in real life
why fix it if it ain't broken ?
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you can't jump directly into android programming ,first, learn java and you'll be better off . After you've acquired sufficient skills in basic java - developer.android.com can assist you furthers . Make no mistake this ain't cat walk and would take time and patience since you are starting from absolute zero . Moreover i don't think anybody would love to take you - 'under their wings' - you are on your own mostly unless you take up some real time courses/classes in real life
why fix it if it ain't broken ?
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Thanks for the info. I am very willing to take classes IRL but I'm nothing but a middle school student. I'll do the best I can to find some way to learn these concepts. Hopefully you'll be seeing me around in the Developer's section sometime soon!
Hey jtkemp.
I'm a sophomore in high school and I've been trying to learn to program. Here's what advice I can give you. First get a basic understanding of java, then once you have that down go though the android programming libraries at android.devolper.com. Then after that I have been taking apps currently out there already and modifying them to get better at it. Stay in touch and maybe we can help reach other out, I've been hoping I could find someone that would even let me help with like some stupid stuff they didn't want to do but so far no one. Good luck! It's a lot of fun!
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Here are some links to some free online classes you can take
http://rootzwiki.com/index.php?/topic/602-Free-online-programming/CS-courses-for-beginners
And yes for many reasons a ton of people on XDA don't like to or don't have the time to talk about development. Everyone wants to be "the man". It's all baby steps really and depending on what type of development you're interested in (custom ROMs, apps, kernels etc) It all takes time. The hardest part I've had is developing an app. I've used Tasker to make a few personal apps but am still working with eclipse, which I've been told is not all that great to begin with.
But it all depends on what your interests are. Wanna mod and theme? Check out apktool and how to reverse engineer apk's. Wanna make apps and ROMs? Set up a Linux distro (I use Ubuntu and Arch) and download the sdk, CM repo, and the Jdk. Most importantly, use Google. Every thing I posted and virtually any questions I've had have been solved with a search. May take a while but the info is out there (How to set up apktool SGS3, How to install Ubuntu, How to Build CM 10.1, etc)
Feel free to drop me a PM, I'm off until fall semester and have some time on my hands.
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I use eclipse and find the environment a lot better than other IDE's. I've tried netbeans but went back to eclipse because for me eclipse is just more intuitive
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I learned a lot of development knowledge from just hanging out in an irc with some real cool dudes, learned how to at least understand java and a little c from studying some stuff, I'd recommend the same. A lot of people don't wanna help you because they don't know how much you know. Try to get a development presense, make a theme or theme an app. Just your name out. Give some devs some logs! Make some friends, they'll help you when you get stuck but no one will hold your hand. Do you use Linux? Learn the Linux command line. Try making a kernel for it, whether it works or not is errelevant, just learn the process and get an idea of what all that entails.
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fergie716 said:
Here are some links to some free online classes you can take
http://rootzwiki.com/index.php?/topic/602-Free-online-programming/CS-courses-for-beginners
And yes for many reasons a ton of people on XDA don't like to or don't have the time to talk about development. Everyone wants to be "the man". It's all baby steps really and depending on what type of development you're interested in (custom ROMs, apps, kernels etc) It all takes time. The hardest part I've had is developing an app. I've used Tasker to make a few personal apps but am still working with eclipse, which I've been told is not all that great to begin with.
But it all depends on what your interests are. Wanna mod and theme? Check out apktool and how to reverse engineer apk's. Wanna make apps and ROMs? Set up a Linux distro (I use Ubuntu and Arch) and download the sdk, CM repo, and the Jdk. Most importantly, use Google. Every thing I posted and virtually any questions I've had have been solved with a search. May take a while but the info is out there (How to set up apktool SGS3, How to install Ubuntu, How to Build CM 10.1, etc)
Feel free to drop me a PM, I'm off until fall semester and have some time on my hands.
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*chuckles* I use Ubuntu as my default operating system anyway.
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jtkemp101010 said:
*chuckles* I use Ubuntu as my default operating system anyway.
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Check out xda-university too, I think that would be a great place to start
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Try stuff besides Ubuntu too, lots of different distros with, I think, better performance. Ex: I use mint 11. I used sabayon for a while too.
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Used Mint for a while. It seems like it might get up there with the popularity of Ubuntu. Although I think that Ubuntu is more visually appealing.
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Used Mint for a while. It seems like it might get up there with the popularity of Ubuntu. Although I think that Ubuntu is more visually appealing.
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Yeah I know a lot of people that prefer Mint over Ubuntu....I have yet to try it myself as I'm very pleased with my setup right now...the Faience theme is nice
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Thenewboston.com beginner java video tutorials helped get me through my java class. I find I learn visually very well. There are also android development tutorials on his site. Good luck!
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I am a 15 year old noob who wants to know the ends and out of developing and all other stuff dealing with creating things for people to enjoy. As of right now i have used Tuts and Threads to learn how to Flash and Root. I learn pretty quick and i feel as though since i want to work for Google or create something bigger than Google i need to learn how to develop and learn to code. I have been coming to XDA for some years now but as i read Threads on how to flash things and how people develop these things i feel like this is what i want to do in life. SO Yeah i need help. Btw im the only kid i know thats interested in alot of tech information (especially phones).
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I am a 15 year old noob who wants to know the ends and out of developing and all other stuff dealing with creating things for people to enjoy. As of right now i have used Tuts and Threads to learn how to Flash and Root. I learn pretty quick and i feel as though since i want to work for Google or create something bigger than Google i need to learn how to develop and learn to code. I have been coming to XDA for some years now but as i read Threads on how to flash things and how people develop these things i feel like this is what i want to do in life. SO Yeah i need help. Btw im the only kid i know thats interested in alot of tech information (especially phones).
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It's so awesome to see today's youth so excited and interested in technology. I am by no means a developer or teacher, but have picked up a lot on here by doing what almost every dev on here will tell you is the most important thing to do - READ! Read, read and when you get tired of reading, read a little more. Ask questions, search forums for ways other problems have been solved, and if you have tried everything to fix something and can't, post the question in the noob friendly q&a, and your neighborhood contributor will certainly be glad to help. But that's at two way street. It's very important you exhaust all means first, because the fastest way to lose respect on here is to expect someone to spoon feed you the answer. Good luck, and always keep an open mind, be friendly, and never stop reading and learning. :thumbup:
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Dont forget there is an xda university. You can learn a hell of a lot there. The most important thing is have fun and be respectful. I am also glad to see young people atually taking an interest in the coding rather than just pimping their phone.
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Here's the thread that got me started
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1941195
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Another really good one!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=41491498
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I'm in the same boat as the OP although I'm 18 and graduated high school. I've taken 2 c++ classes, and 1 java class. So I know some but not much, and I don't even know what's used for coding on android. Plus, I have to do everything from my phone because I can't afford a laptop at the moment.
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H4rryTipp3r said:
I'm in the same boat as the OP although I'm 18 and graduated high school. I've taken 2 c++ classes, and 1 java class. So I know some but not much, and I don't even know what's used for coding on android. Plus, I have to do everything from my phone because I can't afford a laptop at the moment.
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A laptop/computer is kind of a requirement, you might be able to do some porting from your phone, but not much else.
Here's my porting guide for AOSP Jelly Bean:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2263779
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bilgerryan said:
A laptop/computer is kind of a requirement, you might be able to do some porting from your phone, but not much else.
Here's my porting guide for AOSP Jelly Bean:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2263779
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Yeah, I know. That's why I'm stuck at the moment, but when I do get a laptop I'll be doing everything possible to learn!
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bilgerryan said:
Here's the thread that got me started
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1941195
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Another really good one!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=41491498
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bilgerryan said:
A laptop/computer is kind of a requirement, you might be able to do some porting from your phone, but not much else.
Here's my porting guide for AOSP Jelly Bean:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2263779
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Thanks for the links. I will read read read this summer. This wont be the last time you guys hear from me on here. Im aiming for one of those "Recognized Developer" medals :laugh:
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Thanks for the links. I will read read read this summer. This wont be the last time you guys hear from me on here. Im aiming for one of those "Recognized Developer" medals :laugh:
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Good luck! You'll get there I'm sure. Just takes time and commitment, the first of which you, being young, have plenty of and the second is all about you! Stay active in the community. You'll learn a lot just by reading the different threads and chiming in when you have something to add.
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Thanks for the links. I will read read read this summer. This wont be the last time you guys hear from me on here. Im aiming for one of those "Recognized Developer" medals :laugh:
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Reading and Trial & Error will take you most of the way there buddy, don't get discouraged and we're always get if you get stuck with something. I would not have been able to get where I am (I should be getting the RD medal any day now) without the community aspect of this site, there are a lot of awesome people here.
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I started on April and I have about 4 roms developed but trial and error helped me out allot. And if u need any help I'm more then happy to help just hit me up and I'm sure any other dev would be happy to help. And trial and error is a very big thing aswell. And I'm only 16.:thumbup::thumbup:
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Just break stuff and fix it a bunch of times, you'll figure it out. Just don't break the hardware, it's not as easy to fix. Reading and breaking things is how I learned. A good place to start is learning about linux and its various distros and their differences in general. Once you learn the basics of linux and it's variations for PC, Android and its variations like TW, Sense, Blur etc becomes a lot easier to learn. There's a lot more information for linux itself floating around the web and the two are very similar since android is based around the core linux kernel. They are similar enough that a lot of things are cross compatible like source building, git repos, repos in general, file system structure, code format, terminal commands, writing and running scripts, compiling the kernels, and how the GUI interacts with the kernel and base code. There's just a lot more information on Linux vs Android so makes it easier to get the basics down. Once you understand Linux the Android stuff will make a lot more sense and be easier to understand in general.
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Just break stuff and fix it a bunch of times, you'll figure it out. Just don't break the hardware, it's not as easy to fix. Reading and breaking things is how I learned. A good place to start is learning about linux and its various distros and their differences in general. Once you learn the basics of linux and it's variations for PC, Android and its variations like TW, Sense, Blur etc becomes a lot easier to learn. There's a lot more information for linux itself floating around the web and the two are very similar since android is based around the core linux kernel. They are similar enough that a lot of things are cross compatible like source building, git repos, repos in general, file system structure, code format, terminal commands, writing and running scripts, compiling the kernels, and how the GUI interacts with the kernel and base code. There's just a lot more information on Linux vs Android so makes it easier to get the basics down. Once you understand Linux the Android stuff will make a lot more sense and be easier to understand in general.
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I figured i had to learn how to use Linux. No problem. Thanks for the advice :good:
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I figured i had to learn how to use Linux. No problem. Thanks for the advice :good:
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Getting familiar with linux is a good thing too cuz developing for Android is a lot simpler and smoother from linux vs windows. Android and Linux communicate much easier without needing a bunch of extra drivers and crap installed and less conflicts. Linux is also smoother and faster when doing things like compiling source since the OS itself is less resource hungry than windoze leaving more resource power available for your task.
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Where can i get Linux?
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Ubuntu, Mint or my favorite OpenSUSE, ARCH, debian are a few OpenSUSE. Is the one I use most. It's similar to Ubuntu in ease of use but has more power features and options. It's kind of a middle ground between unbuntu and a linux install with no native GUI where you can pick and choose all of your GUI elements individually and create your own 3d interface environment. It has a pager option as well that allows home screen setup similar to androids with multiple pages and widgets
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