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I noticed quite a lot of sense 3.0 roms have been pumped out recently, the funny thing is none of them are significantly different than the other. majority of these half-baked roms do not even have the basic function of a smartphone (aka connectivity, messaging and such) and they are loaded with broken features. LOL man i'm starting to miss the Fascinate community, majority of the roms we had (kangbang, evil fascinating, etc) are rock solid with 100% functionality as far as roms goes. just saying....
Greetings ben,
I think that you are focusing on how well those roms ran, without remembering how well they started. I came from the Fascinate as well, I ended its call of duty with Evil fascination. None of the roms you mentioned, started without glitches and issues.
The incredible 2 has only had s-off for a couple months. Gingerbread has only been broken for a couple of weeks. The devs are just getting into the meat of the device. It's going to take a bit of time for the developers to turn out their creations, and it's going to take a hell of a lot more patience from the end users.
People seem to forget that these developers don't work for us. The sense of entitlement in these forums is off the chart. Unless you donated to your dev of choice, you haven't had to pay a dime for their continued hard word. Don't let donations fool you into thinking that somehow, the developers owe you anything. Donations are are a sign of respect and appreciation, nothing more.
So until we see a rom developed by you, that comes first day with no glitches, errors or issues, is full of incredible (no pun intended) options and choices, I think that you should maybe show the people working to make your phone experience better, a lot more respect.
I'm not trying to flame you, but your post in a slap in the face to the people making something for you to use freely.
T.M.M.L said:
Greetings ben,
I think that you are focusing on how well those roms ran, without remembering how well they started. I came from the Fascinate as well, I ended its call of duty with Evil fascination. None of the roms you mentioned, started without glitches and issues.
The incredible 2 has only had s-off for a couple months. Gingerbread has only been broken for a couple of weeks. The devs are just getting into the meat of the device. It's going to take a bit of time for the developers to turn out their creations, and it's going to take a hell of a lot more patience from the end users.
People seem to forget that these developers don't work for us. The sense of entitlement in these forums is off the chart. Unless you donated to your dev of choice, you haven't had to pay a dime for their continued hard word. Don't let donations fool you into thinking that somehow, the developers owe you anything. Donations are are a sign of respect and appreciation, nothing more.
So until we see a rom developed by you, that comes first day with no glitches, errors or issues, is full of incredible (no pun intended) options and choices, I think that you should maybe show the people working to make your phone experience better, a lot more respect.
I'm not trying to flame you, but your post in a slap in the face to the people making something for you to use freely.
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Amen to that.
Double Amen.
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I noticed quite a lot of sense 3.0 roms have been pumped out recently, the funny thing is none of them are significantly different than the other. majority of these half-baked roms do not even have the basic function of a smartphone (aka connectivity, messaging and such) and they are loaded with broken features. LOL man i'm starting to miss the Fascinate community, majority of the roms we had (kangbang, evil fascinating, etc) are rock solid with 100% functionality as far as roms goes. just saying....
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I think if your are unhappy with the.state of development or with particular roms it should just probably remain private....developers do this for.free and because.they enjoy doing it
Don't like the.sense roms? Use the 3 fully.functional aosp roms we do have or use rmks debloated stock rom
Also afaik virtous unity is a fully functional sense 3 experience
Can only have 1 ROM on ur phone at a time anyway
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I think if your are unhappy with the.state of development or with particular roms it should just probably remain private....developers do this for.free and because.they enjoy doing it
Don't like the.sense roms? Use the 3 fully.functional aosp roms we do have or use rmks debloated stock rom
Also afaik virtous unity is a fully functional sense 3 experience
Can only have 1 ROM on ur phone at a time anyway
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Not true...
http://androidflip.com/how-to-install-multiple-roms-android-dual-boot-android/
But you are correct in saying that he should just keep his negative comments to himself.
I've tried most of the roms that we have for the Dinc 2 so far, and really, for what little amount of time that the Devs have had to work there magic, I'm amazed at what has been accomplished.
I personally am a fan of Sense, so I have been using Virtuosity Unity for the past week now. I spent a weekend with CM7 and a day with Miui...
I would be happy to use any of these for a daily driver, and do with Unity. I keep Gingersense on my Sd card for a backup/go to rom... I can't say that I would consider any of the roms as bad...
I for one am very thankful for the Devs and what they do to make out phones better. You guys Rock!!
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I noticed quite a lot of sense 3.0 roms have been pumped out recently, the funny thing is none of them are significantly different than the other. majority of these half-baked roms do not even have the basic function of a smartphone (aka connectivity, messaging and such) and they are loaded with broken features. LOL man i'm starting to miss the Fascinate community, majority of the roms we had (kangbang, evil fascinating, etc) are rock solid with 100% functionality as far as roms goes. just saying....
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If you are running into issues, then I would suggest asking for assistance. I'm on a sense 3.0 ROM FULLY functional. You may be missing something.
I dont know how long you had your fascinate, but it took a VERY long time for a fully functional aosp ROM became available to us, not for lack of trying from some amazing devs. Now consider we barely got s-off on gb stock, yet I immediately could load various sense or aosp roms.
Just my opinion.
Virtuous is fully functional. I know nothing wrong with the ROM. Thats kinda why it hasnt been updated in weeks, because it doesnt need it. And like Nitsuj said they do it for free. Do a little more research and reading before you flame the awesome devs we have here.
(We dont want anything happening here like it did with JT. A few of the Fascinate users know what Im talking about on that one.)
I think the issue is more of devs pumping out more than one ROM and not sticking to one build per device.
I understand that this stuff takes time, but I'd really like to see the time (and our donations) go to one ROM, not a bunch of different ports or hacks that have lingering bugs that don't get fixed.
I agree with the OP 100%, maybe a different tone could have been used to express the frustration though.
None the less, I'd love to get together with a dev and talk about what us, the community would like to see. I don't like seeing dirty ports of something to come with features that are either missing or can't be fixed.
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You guys don't see the point. You are so infactuated with his work because it works right for YOU! You seem to forget about all of the other people out there that are having silly problems that could probably be easily fixable but yet instead of devoting his time to fixing those probs he comes out with a new ROM that has the same problems!! Hahaha. I am not even trying to troll but come on... Ahahaha...
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That is easily fixed. Don't use his roms if you aren't happy with it. See? Fixed. Now do as I said earlier and shut your ****ing mouth.
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That is easily fixed. Don't use his roms if you aren't happy with it. See? Fixed. Now do as I said earlier and shut your ****ing mouth.
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Acting like a douche also doesn't help.
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You guys don't see the point. You are so infactuated with his work because it works right for YOU! You seem to forget about all of the other people out there that are having silly problems that could probably be easily fixable but yet instead of devoting his time to fixing those probs he comes out with a new ROM that has the same problems!! Hahaha. I am not even trying to troll but come on... Ahahaha...
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what problems are YOU having that you want fixed?
Have you thought that the majority of US know how to properly utilize the roms given to us, thus we have no problems. Maybe you shouldn't look the gift horse in the mouth, and learn where you may be doing something wrong.
Just saying.
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That is easily fixed. Don't use his roms if you aren't happy with it. See? Fixed. Now do as I said earlier and shut your ****ing mouth.
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Lol I love this kid.
And seriously just because it has little problems that some people are getting doesnt mean its a bad ROM, or it isnt functional, or has "major problems" like you said. **** stock RUU's have more problems and not to mention bigger ones than anything here in the development section. Especially Newts stuff. Stock GB deletes main system apps. Pretty big problem. And thats from HTC. People that are paid a lot of money to make these. Again these people are doing it for free. And they do one hell of a job. A rom is never going to be perfect there will always be little bugs that cant really be fixed because NOT EVERY PHONE IS THE SAME. One may have a problem that another may not. So if one doesnt work for you use another. He has many options for ROMs from 2.1, to 2.1/3.0, and full 3.0. Something for everyone that are updated regularly. If your going to talk crap about id say our top dev right now then get off this forum. Nobody here wants that kind of flaming.
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You guys have made my night. Thank you. This is too much fun.
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You should get your X2 back and hit there forums up. Maybe you will appreciate innovation and hard work over there with your 4 Roms and forever stock kernal. Dont come back here.
Oh and also you say were so infatuated with Newts work or whatever. I dont even run his ROMs. Im either on virtuous or MIUI. I test his ROMs for him. And I still know how often he updates them and just how stable they are. Your a fool.
To me this is like being welcomed into a strangers house to use the bathroom, then telling them that it was an awful experience because their toilet paper was not soft enough. Are you entitled to feel that way? Of course. I would just think it is common courtesy to keep those thoughts to yourself.
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APeaceofStrange said:
To me this is like being welcomed into a strangers house to use the bathroom, then telling them that it was an awful experience because their toilet paper was not soft enough. Are you entitled to feel that way? Of course. I would just think it is common courtesy to keep those thoughts to yourself.
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LOL I love that analogy. But i agree with you.
@Mavic. I understand your frustration. I came from the x10 community. We had the same issues. Newt reminds me of a dev named Trip. He would start a rom, get it near perfect then start another. Ever time though his end results were awesome. Another issue coming from Newts side is he makes roms for other devices. None the less he is an awesome dev who is highly respected. Give the devs some time. GB has only been cracked since around the 15th of this month.
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What does "infactuated" mean anyway? Is that a new word for fact-loving? Is is derogatory?
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Feed the troll! I'm hungry!!
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Hey Nicholas Sack, cool it. Stick to plenty of fish.
"Funny thing about that is, is that people are becoming more and more vulnerable to today's cultures of "how to act" and "what to believe". I think the our generation and the ones prior are the last that know how to be independant. With that being said, I could honestly give a **** less about how people view me. If I agree, I agree. If I disagree, then I'll tell you to gtfo.
Life's a *****, then you die."
Bringing daily trolls since 1999.
wtf guys, like seriously wtf
http://www.galaxynexusforum.com/for...rom-axi0m-v2-4-apex-v5-kernel-1-6-2012-a.html
Ya know... 8 months ago I was just a user that made a ROM, I still consider myself the same, and those that have been around me for a time know I have ALWAYS only considered myself that. That mentality is what has always kept my patience, passion, and the fun I have making things. I have always learned, looked up to and showed nothing but respect to the Devs, I promote and retweet their ROMs, always talk highly, and have always been impressed with the cool stuff they have done. Up until today, I thought the respect I have always showed was something I have received... but that is NOT the case. I have always thought the comradery in the community was a awesome thing, the more and more have have been part of it, I have realized that was not always the case, but still a great thing none the less. Not until now did I realize there is nothing but snakes in the grass ready to strike. Devs I have spoke with on numerous occasions, asked questions to and answered questions for are NOT collegues nor E Friends and too be honest, I am quite surprised that I was completely unaware of the intentions.
Now with all that said, I have NEVER Claimed my build to be pure AOSP, Full CM9, or VZW Leak Based. I compile some AOSP, Use soem of the cool stuff CM has brought to us, and use system apps from the leak because they work. I NEVER gave the impression my ROM was anything it wasn't.. As my Thread Title has always said "[ROM] AXI0M". That is all it was... Simply a ROM. I ALWAYS gave credit to the big boys that made cool stuff or patched things that I have used. I always made my own edits, my own tweaks and I have always been proud of what came out the other end, and judging by the people that run the ROMS, I have reason to be proud. The reason for all the hours, and the time is simple... I did not do for donations, i did not do it for popularity, and I did not do it as a job. I have fun learning and using what is finished. Unlike MANY.. I NEVER asked for donations, when I did receive them I ALWAYS responded with a email showing my appreciation. Hell, I have refunded some that were just TOO large. It was NEVER about that. And further more... I only paid for the hosting with any donations I have received. I don't campaign for people to buy me a phone, I buy my own. It is MY Hobby, My Fun, and My Phone. I am 35 years old, I built my business from nothing over 15 years ago and I am still a well respected builder and I am there everyday with my guys working. I am not some pompous jackass sitting behind his computer trolling others, checking my PayPal in the next browser tab.
This is (What I thought) was a community of Open Source, something we all get together and work on where Users turn into to Dev and Themers and something cool gets produced. Instead, it is politics, post count, popularity, and donation tallies. People calling other people thieves for using OPEN SOURCE, Fixes, and Mods others have done. Kind of like you/we are all doing from Google.
Anyway.. I have enjoyed doing this for the time I have been. It has been great, and with the exception of the ones referred to I have made friends and met some cool people. But I don't want to be apart of this drama, nonsense, and kid games that come along with this HOBBY. Nothing but repect to everyone who have stood by me and have had fun running the ROMS. Much love!! There are A LOT of talented DEVs around, so there will always be cool stuff to run.
Rock on,
Jason
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Poor guy so sad
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Sad, awesome support and Rom from this guy............ I have seen this a few times over the last few years. I'm sorry to hear this has happened again. Very sad day for Axiom, my device will forever miss your work!
it's a shame. i enjoyed tinkering with his roms back on the thunderbolt & been using his latest axi0m builds here also. i don't know him personally so can't comment there, but i do appreciate what he's done here. if you're reading this, thanks
it seems to be happening all the time here in all the phone forums..the stories are all the same really..someone thinks they own the code and someone else is stealing it..
really sucks!! wish it was like it was back in the day..
Funny how the big picture is. Open source vs closed source. Things like this just put a dent in things.
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Well, that's life unfortunately. We live in a world that's full of crap like this happening everyday. Don't expect it to get any better, or you may end up very disappointed.
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Well, that's life unfortunately. We live in a world that's full of crap like this happening everyday. Don't expect it to get any better, or you may end up very disappointed.
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+1
Unfortunately nothing and no one is ever perfect. All you can do is do your best, what gives you joy, and what makes sure you can sleep at night. Expecting anything else will drive you insane. It takes all kinds, including those that can fight the good fight if the have the time and energy.
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Sounds like the real world, cut throat and all. Maybe some devs are feeling the pressure of being displaced as some GN owners are uninterested in ROM downloads.
Nothing new. Heck last week kejar31 accused me of kanging Google apps. LOL.
Keep creating, android is open source. Building and sustaining a business for 15 years is far more difficult than dealing with bickering android devs. Also, there is no TOO MUCH when accepting donations for your current and future creation. There really is no reason to quit creating, especially cuz ICS and GN is still unrefined.
adrynalyne said:
Nothing new. Heck last week kejar31 accused me of kanging Google apps. LOL.
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Adrynalyne kanged Angry Birds from my ROM!
Terminators run on Android
Wut
Its like that episode of spongebob when they stole a balloon on free balloon day.
You can't steal **** that's free. That's what the n00bs don't realize.
He shouldn't take his work down. From that post alone it shows how passionate he is about his work. Id much rather have something someone is proud of than something someone just threw together just so they can look cool with a bigger version number.
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Just don't support Team Liquid Roms or donate to them
It was from what I read Nocoast from that team who started the drama. not sure what the problem was directly.
If you want to get someone back, its always best to hit them where it really hurts, their pocket book. Quit donating to nocoast or team liquid, simple.
First, let me say I have always enjoyed his work. And I personally think he makes an excellent ROM. I used his ROM on the Bionic, and LOVED it... until he abandoned it in the middle of the night.
I am going to use the Bionic as an example because I never used his ROM when I was using the Razr (I was a little butt hurt over the Bionic).
He made, IMO, the best ROM for the Bionic. He put out almost daily updates, which is good. But almost a pain to keep up with! Then he evolved the ROM to be modular with different themes. As to be expected with a major build change it was a little fragmented with users trying to evolve with the ROM. But there was a TON of potential. Then just a few days later...poof the thread was gone, and no more support.
People have said he broke his bionic or something like that, but why pull the thread? Why not explain to users what happened and let them know they need to transition to a new ROM if you are unable to support it?
You can make the best ROM the world has ever seen. But if you make those kind of decisions you cant whine about the criticism.
This guy has the mentality of a 12 year old. No matter how many people compliment him or speak highly of his work, eventually he is going to read some ignorant comment and get his feelings hurt. Then he takes his ball and goes home.
I have read through several of his ROM threads on mulitple sites, and they don't look any different than any other Devs threads. ROMS are like Phones, Everyone is going to debate which one is better and why. It is all based on the users opinion and what suits their needs.
Why can't this guy see that he has very loyal followers (mistawolf), that should be all he needs. His ego has got to be as fragile as a naked iPhone.
The effects of this decision:
His supporters = Abandoned, hung out to dry.
The Haters = Don't care, they didn't want it anyway.
He is a very talented and smart guy, but in the end he is a quitter.
these DEV drama seems to happen very often with accusations from one Cook to the other
if only people would stop being so self righteous and share the work without asking questions we can all go with our merry life and every one can co-work and pick anything thats needed to make a ROM cook the way anyone wants
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Just don't support Team Liquid Roms or donate to them
It was from what I read Nocoast from that team who started the drama. not sure what the problem was directly.
If you want to get someone back, its always best to hit them where it really hurts, their pocket book. Quit donating to nocoast or team liquid, simple.
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BINGO!
This is what we need to do. When dev's heads get too big and they start attacking other devs for doing, most likely, the exact same thing that they were doing when they first started out.
We have the power to stop this, just boycot nocaost and team liquid, once their donations stop coming in they will fizzle out just like they deserve.
Yeah...everyone needs to keep in mind there are no "owners" here. If I wanna copy your ROM line for line I have every right to. Does it make it ok or cool? No. But you can't steal something the other person doesn't own.
Right from source.android.com:
"We wanted to make sure that there was no central point of failure, so that no industry player can restrict or control the innovations of any other. That's why we created Android, and made its source code open"
If you're going to code you should be prepared to have every single letter you type used by others. Sounds like some devs have a holier than thou asshole mentality, which is not what Android is about.
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Just don't support Team Liquid Roms or donate to them
It was from what I read Nocoast from that team who started the drama. not sure what the problem was directly.
If you want to get someone back, its always best to hit them where it really hurts, their pocket book. Quit donating to nocoast or team liquid, simple.
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That is absurd. It is not fair at all to not use or donate to the whole of team liquid because one member was an asshole. Liquid is a great guy.
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joshnichols189 said:
That is absurd. It is not fair at all to not use or donate to the whole of team liquid because one member was an asshole. Liquid is a great guy.
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If it really was just one person then the TEAM needs to come out, say they dont approve of what that one guy did and that it in no way refelcts how they run as a team, and that they are getting rid of him.
They either stand behind what that guy did or abandom him from the team.
Yup, the Atrix 4G, the phone I was previously on, which my mom is currently using, just got a CM9 ICS ROM -_-;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1445052
We need to start moving and trying to get ICS on the Nitro. Even the Rezound also got AOSP ICS port, albeit some things still borked.
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/htc-rezound-gets-pure-aosp-ice-cream-sandwich-port/
Despite all the talk of starting slow with some improvement ROMs and maybe a CM7, I hate to say this, but we need to get either CM9 or ICS, or at least some kind of progress towards it. Every phone out there, old and new, are getting ICS or CM9 infused into them, I don't believe we can't do so with ours. We will spark much more interest in people and members here and maybe even more Devs if we bring ICS to the table. What do you guys/gals think?
I agree.
This is my first Android device and I really enjoy it a lot, thus I hope this phone can get a lively community of mods, roms, etc. At the same time, the SGSII LTE HD will be launching on AT&T soon, and I think that in order for this community to thrive we need ICS before this launch. The SGSII LTE HD is just about equal to the Nitro HD as far as specs are concerned, many who demand 720p and LTE will have the choice between the Samsung and the LG. Due to reputation, Samsung will undoubtedly outsell the Nitro.
I write this not to be **** and try to boss around people who donate their time and receive no more than some meaningless "Thanks" count. I am very appreciative that we have people like Bytecode, Kernelpanic, Cloudraker, and Malnilliom. (sorry if I left some people out, these guys just came to mind)
Lastly, does anyone know where to get guides on doing things like "ROM-cooking" and CM ports. Like I said, this is my first Android phone and I really don't know where to begin looking for this kind of information.
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I agree.
This is my first Android device and I really enjoy it a lot, thus I hope this phone can get a lively community of mods, roms, etc. At the same time, the SGSII LTE HD will be launching on AT&T soon, and I think that in order for this community to thrive we need ICS before this launch. The SGSII LTE HD is just about equal to the Nitro HD as far as specs are concerned, many who demand 720p and LTE will have the choice between the Samsung and the LG. Due to reputation, Samsung will undoubtedly outsell the Nitro.
I write this not to be **** and try to boss around people who donate their time and receive no more than some meaningless "Thanks" count. I am very appreciative that we have people like Bytecode, Kernelpanic, Cloudraker, and Malnilliom. (sorry if I left some people out, these guys just came to mind)
Lastly, does anyone know where to get guides on doing things like "ROM-cooking" and CM ports. Like I said, this is my first Android phone and I really don't know where to begin looking for this kind of information.
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Yeah, I didn't even know about the Skyrocket HD until someone mentioned it here on our thread, and I immediately thought to myself, "Aww F*** we are screwed now". I think it's a **** move by AT&T to release their "flagship" phone under LG and then less than a month later announce the Skyrocket HD. Sorry to say this, had I known they were gonna release the Skyrocket HD, I would've waited for it over the Nitro. But alas, what's done is done, there's no need to cry over spilled milk, the best thing to do is to move on and prove we have the better phone than Samsung does. Anyways, I never was a fan of Samsung Phones since they started making phones. I find they always look..cheap
So with that, again like red solo cup said, thank you to all who have contributed countless amount of time n effort to support us; Let's bring it to the next level!
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Yeah, I didn't even know about the Skyrocket HD until someone mentioned it here on our thread, and I immediately thought to myself, "Aww F*** we are screwed now". I think it's a **** move by AT&T to release their "flagship" phone under LG and then less than a month later announce the Skyrocket HD. Sorry to say this, had I known they were gonna release the Skyrocket HD, I would've waited for it over the Nitro. But alas, what's done is done, there's no need to cry over spilled milk, the best thing to do is to move on and prove we have the better phone than Samsung does. Anyways, I never was a fan of Samsung Phones since they started making phones. I find they always look..cheap
So with that, again like red solo cup said, thank you to all who have contributed countless amount of time n effort to support us; Let's bring it to the next level!
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谢谢大家的努力，我也非常的相信，一定可以让我们的p930更好！
xudejiong said:
谢谢大家的努力，我也非常的相信，一定可以让我们的p930更好！
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"Thank you for your efforts, I am very sure, will be able to make our p930 better!"
Best of luck. LG phones usually have mediocre/poor dev support.
Heh , Dont have a nitro but i just synced CodeAurora ICS Port for MSM8660 (thanks to codeaurora for making life a bit easier for qcom products) , My first Task would be to port the kernel , Test it with CWM (before i brick my friend nitro)
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Best of luck. LG phones usually have mediocre/poor dev support.
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Thank you for the well wishes! The dev/support for this device made that mainpage of XDA! Lots of progress and hard work from several devs !
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Thank you for the well wishes! The dev/support for this device made that mainpage of XDA! Lots of progress and hard work from several devs !
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Does it mean great things when our device is on the main page? Or will it still get overlooked. Not being sarcastic, really curious.
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I'll be here but i can't port anything to any device as i'm not that knowledgable i could bring stock heavily modified roms though.
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Does it mean great things when our device is on the main page? Or will it still get overlooked. Not being sarcastic, really curious.
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I didn't say anything was great, I would not know what great means in terms of development on a phone released 7 weeks ago.
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In that time span a cwm has been developed and 2+ roms with atleast one more announced on the mainpage so someone here at xda seems to think that warrants front page headlines so I am trustin their judgement as well as acknowledging the hard work devs have already accomplished.
It all sounds good to me. I'm new to all of this so I just don't know what to expect.
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I didn't say anything was great, I would not know what great means in terms of development on a phone released 7 weeks ago.
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In that time span a cwm has been developed and 2+ roms with atleast one more announced on the mainpage so someone here at xda seems to think that warrants front page headlines so I am trustin their judgement as well as acknowledging the hard work devs have already accomplished.
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Im very curious what Revolution is trying to bring to the table with his Domination HD Rom. More as the story progresses
WE should not even be thinking about sense/CM9 roms on here for awhile.
Quite frankly, I don't think CM will ever get around to making a ROM for this phone.
CM9 is being ported to the Lag Nitro by Ricardo Cerqueira. Head out to his Google+ to see what he's done.
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CM9 is being ported to the Lag Nitro by Ricardo Cerqueira. Head out to his Google+ to see what he's done.
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Yup, we've known that for the past couple of weeks gerax thanks for spreading the word though. it's keeping the hopes alive for this phone
Little by little I been noticing the dev's leave from our forums, So what will happen then? Tried myself to start creating a ROM but with no luck.... (laptop acts up most of the time). Anyways, as I was trying to imply what happens when development stops for the Hercules? Guess we will find out soon enough. I don't know if its due to the attitude given to these guys that are doing all this work for free or what? Kinda sad see that 2 developers go. Although their reasoning is personal and private, I can only imagine how they must feel when they do their best to make something for the public and all we do is nag on how bad it is or what can be done to change it.
This ain't to flame anyone or complain. Everyone has their personal likes. That being said why not invest some of that time of criticism and start doing your own. I have not been on this community for long as everyone can tell but I read and read and read. from our forum, the SR forum being that its similar device and its completely different atmosphere between the two. There's so much amicable peoplel there. They're willing to help on another. I just don't see it happening on our forums.Maybe, just maybe we just lost touch of what the community was created for.... to help one another create a better device for our daily use. Not to just constantly put in requests like the Dev is a radio dj . I for one. If its not that then its "this don't work buhuu!!!" It's been noticed here lately that there are sum differences between devices, hardware wise. That alone would drive anyone insane.. Bottom line, implement your personal touch to anything you use in here. That's what will make it your own pride and joy. I totally agree with stating something if it interfered with the functionality of the device. Then again its written very clearly in every single thread of ROM's, do this at your own risk. The developer is by no means responsible for any modifications you do to your device. When you decided to flash whatever it was you did, you took sole responsibility for your actions.
Last but not least, all I can say if it continues to be like this we might to go find new devices to toy with. This weeks its been 2 Devs that left. Next week might be 2 more and before you know it there wont be none. What then? Seriously, what then? With that said I want to say thanks for letting me vent and for creating this site for us (the daily users). Please nobody take any offense in particular for this is just my personal opinion. Doesn't reflect any ones else's but mines. Its a free community so I'm exercising my right to freedom of speech.
this is normal, as new devices emerge, like the SGS3 and Notes 2
Devs are naturally attracted to them
if you want to stay on the same device for a long time, then it's up to ourselves to learn now to compile, tweak, theme, and code the ROMs
a good example are the people over at the old Moto Milestone XT720 phone, that thing sucked when it came out at retail, and it's not very popular, but they took it upon themselves to build ROM from scratch and/or kanged it to make it a great device even after all these years, and the hardware limitation.
very much like the super geeks at the HTC HD2, can you imagine, that ancient relic able to run ICS, and most likely JB in near future
Get a new phone man. I don't plan on staying here much longer. I was tired of this phone 2 weeks after I got it. Its a miracle I'm still on it at all. Besides it has what it already needs. Amazing gingerbread and ICS roms both with great speed and battery life. What else do you want?
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This phone still has potential. Those devs left for personal reasons. I feel confidant that we will see more devs in our forum.
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Get a new phone man. I don't plan on staying here much longer. I was tired of this phone 2 weeks after I got it. Its a miracle I'm still on it at all. Besides it has what it already needs. Amazing gingerbread and ICS roms both with great speed and battery life. What else do you want?
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By no means it was intended for it to be a complaint as I stated. I personally love my S2, my point about the post was due to the current situations of Devs leaving. It seem like there's other reasons being other than personal. And I see it more and more as I read the posts about them getting aggravated about the constant requests. My point being, if all the above including myself feel they can do better why not begin by learning. Rome wasn't built in a day and i totally agree but I don't get how the community here is so much different than in the SR forum. Again it's not a complaint but just a personal opinion.
@ AllGamer, I totally agree wit you sir... alike a lot of us noobs would love to learn the hows and whats of creating custom ROMs but as like I said on my opener I can't due to misbehaving equipment. I've read pages and pages of the software needed and downloaded as best to my knowledge. Even went as far as to allow another community person to go into my laptop and find out where my issue was. The person himself was a Dev and by no means I was told to do so or anything like that. I gave him my permission to try to help me out so I could create from scratch without any luck. What my point is that maybe we're (myself included) have lost the purpose here and have made it to where we feel its owed to us to make things our way. Then again that's my opinion.
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This phone still has potential. Those devs left for personal reasons. I feel confidant that we will see more devs in our forum.
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Not only that. I just find that cm9 especially took a huge downfall once cm10 began to exist. I don't believe any time soon our devices will lack development. It's just there is so much out there to be done yet one questions "where do you even start!?" Personally once they get a stable build running of cm10 a lot of tweaks will begin getting added along with much kernel support being created. It's just a speed bump in the developer world, not a brick wall
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Looking at it from that point of view I can concur. But just hate seeing good devs run out like that. And to the most part being part of same teams. Weird to me again. Maybe I'm just one of those type of individuals that gets negative vibes about certain things. Just like the fact of it being personal reasons? I don't fully think that was it alone but who knows.
I still stand by my statement about the difference in attitudes between communities. Just seem like there's more "want" to help one another. Here everything is more frowned upon. Favorite reply here is " use the search button" but I'm sure posting a link to answer the question takes about the same amount of time. Or rather yet not reply at all if its just to get in a tantrum about doing it. Maybe its just my personal beliefs. I see it posted all the time, the community is to help regardless if lazy dumb or whatever (sorry about the dumb) but its just derogatory to sum. I'm a total noon but once in a while I have questions. Rather get an I don't know that be told search button is active. Thought it was the principle of this site.
Regardless of anything, its just I see no support on the development here. Either way I'll stop my rant and continue my educational reading.
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Honestly, I noticed the same thing in the SR forum almost instantly when I began reading sk8er's CM10 thread. It felt like "old xda" for me... In the future, I'm going to stick to more popular phones/Nexus devices since they generally have much better communities. That's part of the fun to our devices as gadget geeks IMO.
By the way, which devs left?
Remembering Old school Android for a minute...
I know you personally are not complaining OP, so plese nobody take no offense to any of this. I understand what you're saying and I always mod my own Rom to my liking. I had to learn to do it that way because I wouldn't bug any devs either for little personal things I liked. Just my 2 cents, but when I see threads like this, I have to think back to when I first had my Moto Cliq (big mistake there), my first Android phone, and have a bit of nostalgia. We had 2 developers, Travisjames and HandlerExploit. (props to you both if still around) That was it. The Cliq had no software support and updates were always 6+ months after other phones were receiving them, we couldn't overclock it, it was locked up tight, but somehow they provided a good user experience out of that old 1.5 Android Moto Blur. Lol! Made lemonade out of the sour lemons Moto gave us. I helped them by making some themes and learned alot about Android during this time just to give something back to the community. Everyone still begged Handler and Travis for ETA's, *****ed at them when things were going wrong, but considering they were the only 2 devs for the cliq, I always just encouraged their great work and tried to help them work through it, because those were are only two solid options for a good Rom. Whether you liked some things about it or not, they were still better than stock.
My Point in the end? That phone had basically only 2 Roms (in it's early days) for each software release that dropped. No kernels since that wasn't possible yet, and only 3-4 themes to choose from (one made by me after frustration of not finding a style I loved). Anything else had to be tweaked to your liking through trial and error, googling, or asking devs for help. That's when I learned how much hard work goes into some seemingly "Small" fixes or tweaks. Android is much bigger of a thing now, and we have so many different Roms out here to choose from. I feel lucky to be able to choose from: Sammy Roms, MIUI, AOKP, CM7/9 then 10, Paranoid, etc. and then onto mods: kernel choices, Overclocked, undervolted, different boot screens and themes (esp on MIUI/CM's), tweaks, etc. For a phone that dropped with GB I think were doing a pretty damn good job!
I know some devs will eventually leave with new devices arriving, as they have with the last 3 Android phones/2 tablets I've owned, but this community has alot to choose from... I'd personally like to say Thank You, to each and every Dev that has stuck with us, even if only for a little while. You have brough tons of choices, tons of speed, battery life, and beauty to this device. I don't know about anything but themeing myself, so I rely on all you guys to put out something hot. You never disappoint! If someone can't find a Rom/Kernel combo to fit their needs on here, they might never be happy!
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Honestly, I noticed the same thing in the SR forum almost instantly when I began reading sk8er's CM10 thread. It felt like "old xda" for me... In the future, I'm going to stick to more popular phones/Nexus devices since they generally have much better communities. That's part of the fun to our devices as gadget geeks IMO.
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Jamison904 and TheTechNiq left, due to deving took to much time away from there families .
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Jamison904 and TheTechNiq left, due to deving took to much time away from there families .
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It's time to upgrade then
Due to my infancy in time here I cant comment about the past on this site, "but" it still mind boggles me that at some point and time I cant contribute. I don't mind testing by no means. Being that at this point in time and due to equipment faultiness I can't do more than that. But my point is that there is a sort of aura that just don't mingle well with me. One point I seen that has mortified the crap out of me has been just the way people address others around. Like there is some sort of machismo just because he/she knows better or been around longer. Like i said maybe its just me, maybe its just my persona. Most of my posts are either checking in to report any issues with X Rom or so forth, questions or trying to help someone else with any questions that they might have as long as I'm capable of actually helping with.. With that being said, I fully understand that t the dev threads are intended for just that but why not keep them locked up other than to the people that want to test. Per say- as a form of request to be a tester or something before opening .
Just seems that the Devs get aggravated at anyone that comes in asking about small things just cuz there was no reading done what so ever. For good reason tho, its supposed to be for bug related posts, troubleshot and all of that. Maybe implement a form prior to opening the thread of any given ROM that states everything and what not works on it prior to allowing the user just go in and ask frivolous questions ( even understanding that no question is small in importance). But i see that being the main argument in the threads. Thought that was the purpose of the video? These are just my opinions. I'm just a grain of salt in all this sea.
Also would like to THANK everyone that puts forth an effort to make something out of nothing to make the t989 that much better for us.Guess it makes me a bit sensitive to see guys come up wit awesome work and then all the sudden it all falls apart. Either way that's my 2 cents. Thanks also to you guys that took the time to come in here for a read and for the input.
There will be many more devs for the t989. I've read the same s.it more than a year ago on the t959 forum. Their dev section is more "vibrant" than ever.
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Funny I was damn sure thinking the same thing myself. I came from a PPC6700 forum years ago where we had a kitchen and could make our own roms which was great. Then I had an Evo, Evo3D, Epic Touch and now Galaxy 2 and I must admit this forum is lacking with rom choices. I look at the development page and see threads last reply was a week or so ago still on page 1. That would not last an hour in the old Evo forums.
I get it that developers leave because of family and personal things but think about it. If we the end user did not complain and ask for this and that which I honestly feel some of it we could do ourselves, would that not leave them to more pure developing time. Which honestly if things are running right or small things need to be fixed and can be done by others it allows the developer more time to themselves.... Jus Sayin
The helping each other out is wonderful as well but hey the I can't find a kernel or where is this rom located in a forum with maybe half a dozen developers and main threads really never leaving Page 1 and you can't find it... Helping fine spoon feeding is another and the laziness is what causes a lot of bickering. I know just give them the answer but what about you helping yourself... I hope more developers come or at least they perfect AOKP JB since thats my favorite..
Good luck developers and good luck community... rant ova!
I hope the devs don't drop out, I just got the TMobile version. $99 @ target for the s2, or $229. Makes the math kind of obvious.
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Its not going to die no time soon its just the lack of interest that I fear most. Maybe at a later time or so they might get the ball rolling again but at the present it time seem a little weak. Well that's in comparison to our twin site( SR forum). Like I said before and I'll repeat again, its all about benefiting both end parties. Pops used to tell me and seem to fits well here, "one hand can't be cleaned up by itself, takes 2 to get it the way is supposed to be. " That's all my point is meant to be directed to. Not start world war 3 or nothing. Just feel like we are falling behind and its our own fault. If we have enough time to complain or address issues we also have time to help better the problem itself by addressing it and trying to solve it. Better yet, get this general threads or q&a threads just for that... I've personally seen ROMs with 400 or more pages and nothing is clarified. There's all sorts of people completely lost on steps on how to even install (flash) a certain ROM. There's guides yes but we all been to school here, we know that learning is not easy for everyone. Sh00t!!! Everyday is a learning experience. But some of us take longer than others.
Maybe its just my petpeeve to feel this way. But I know Im not alone when I say this, if there's someone that needs help and I can do it, no matter how small it is... I'll be there to do so.and if I can't help at least I'll learn something by helping that person search for the answers.
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I must be really out of it.
Who.. did we lose?
Lost another one today on a joking issue. Jamison , Thetechniq and BB today... and they continue to drop like flies.. who knows...
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dont we still have team chopsticks and TDJ?
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dont we still have team chopsticks and TDJ?
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Yes. Though TDJ is on a break from what I recall.. He certainly deserves it.
heys i havent spent any real time in this section of XDA, currently have a EVO 3D, tons of development there. how is it over here? the dev section seems kinda empty.. thoughts?
need to get an LTE phone soon
spaceosc said:
heys i havent spent any real time in this section of XDA, currently have a EVO 3D, tons of development there. how is it over here? the dev section seems kinda empty.. thoughts?
need to get an LTE phone soon
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Most progress updates happen in IRC chat. irc.freenode.net #lg-optimus-g
Each & Every Day were are Growing!
spaceosc said:
heys i havent spent any real time in this section of XDA, currently have a EVO 3D, tons of development there. how is it over here? the dev section seems kinda empty.. thoughts?
need to get an LTE phone soon
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Heya, believe it or not we are both coming from the same place. I loved my EVO 3D and hacked it to the max. However, has the months went by the phone's specs were no longer "flagship" quality. As a result, I went with LG OG after much and I mean much research. To your answer it is not empty but it just in hibernation until Jelly Bean is released, which is going to happen at any time very soon for Korean already has it (End of Jan I hope). So the devs are holding back releases for roms until JB but CM and ASOP are all in development as we speak.
Great Link for more info:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2064215
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2080610
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2009531
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2083320
P.S - It is SOOO much easier to root and unlock this phone compared to our EVO 3D. Even a one click tool http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2039421
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^^^ I agree with what you said. In fact ive seen this.on many phones. Most of the blame is on lg for releasing the phone half ass. And also there wasent enough marketing put into the phone quite honest. By no means this isnt a flagship phone. Just because its labled as one. True the specs are nice but the fact that released with bugs and with ICS is complete bullcrap and a let down for sure. Further its just the nature of this forum to have to many chiefs not enough indians type of deal. Best way to learn anything is just to read up learn a little bit and have a clear mind and confidence u wont mess up your phone hahaha?
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Space, I don't have a wide berth of knowledge to give you, as this is only my 2nd Android smartphone. That said, the development here is severely lacking. There were a lot of hotshots promising things they couldn't deliver early on (like this phone is exactly the same as the Nexus 4, lol). They say all the action happens in IRC but log in there. Try it. Back yet? Didn't learn **** did you? No one talks about development there. It's like a business meeting about more meetings. They talk about what they need to be developing.
In the end, I'm not helping, so I can't really complain, but it's slightly frustrating to have a beast of a phone that no one is improving. Least of all LG. When I've attempted to get information I've been ignored or given the "we don't really know" SLASH "stfu kid" response. If you find good development news I'd love to see it.
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Many of us work, I work full time and have kids. Plus I have several other projects. If you honestly think nothing is getting done, maybe you should check github. Look at the amount of work being done towards cm10.1 for the lgog.
Not all development is ROMs and themes. Most of it happens before you see those ROMs and mods. Sure I could copy paste a rom together on my phone and call it something. Then everyone would think it was so cool, but the fact is it wouldn't be much different then what we already have. Will I build a stock based rom? Yes. Kernels? Yes. Aosp ROMs, yes. Some fancy aroma kitchen sink mod. Yup. Will I be doing this all within a week of getting the device and doing my research on it? Nope. There are like 20 sensors on this phone. Not to mention a ton of testing on kernels, what's bloat, what's a proprietary driver/lib vs source built. You need to remember that all of the development is done in peoples spare time. The phone is fast so no rush making it
Faster. The software is decent and has some decent feature without a lot of annoying issues so no rush there. Battery could be improved but thats mostly usage based. Nothing is crippled on this phone so there isn't exactly a huge rush to fix something on it. That is a good thing. We can pace ourselves and get more creative instead of fixing crap that should work already.
The biggest issue is not being jb+. That is being worked on daily by many people. I plan on helping as well but I agree with most of the devs on waiting for the korean source drop.
Give this phone time and it'll be crawling with flashy things.
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To add on to what Jokersax said, there is alot of development going on, but not as roms. CM10.1 technically works, but there is a bug that wont allow your to see anything on it. Would you like somebody to post it for you to test? We have to get a device tree going, and see what mods from other phones work here, and what we need to chance to get the different roms we build up and going. I am fairly new on the dev scene, but I am working on a rom ATM, just about to get out of the testing phase for my first public build (in the dev section). b-reezy is also working on porting MIUI, removing LG software to make it almost completely AOSP, and getting a few themes on our device, and helping me learn more as I go. We have alot of devs, but between real life events, and the time to make everything work it takes time. How long does a take big companies to get updates out that have dedicated developers? For LG it has been over a year to update one generation of android. Just be happy we can update it before that. Also if you sit enough on IRC you can find stuff (I found a flashable korean rom for our phone that boots, is english, but doesnt have 3g/4g/wifi working and such, so it is not posted here yet), but alot of it is people working in their free time, and all my talk about my work is either in my what do you want in my roms thread under Q&A, where there is already 3 test builds of my rom, and some of us are talking individually, like joker right above me, and b-reezy both talk to me daily on Gtalk the last several days to about 2 weeks for each one of them. And I cant remotely do anything as good as they can. Just wait a month or two then you will be spammed with roms and kernels to use. Try hitting up the Nook Tablet thread and see how development is going on there- I have had it over a year and there isnt even 2 dozen roms for it. It is all a matter on how locked the device is, and the drivers and such for the phone. Also we may be able to port stuff from the Nexus 4 BUT THIS IS NO WHERE NEAR THE SAME THING! We have a locked boatloader, the nexus doesnt (really big difference for dev work), plus GSM vs. CDMA radios is alot harder to dev for it seems like in the beginning. It is annoying how people complain about dev work not being fast enough yet they dont even remotely understand how any of it works. FYI we will probably have Jellybean on our device before LG releases it. 4.2 is the primary concern for the bigger devs right now. IF ANYBODY CANT FIND OUT THE LATEST DEVELOPMENT ON IRC JUST ASK, OR EMAIL OR GTALK ME AT [email protected] FOR MINE AND OTHER DEVS LATEST WORK. LET THEM WORK ON IT IN THEIR FREE TIME FOR FREE, AND I CAN ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS WHILE I AM AT SCHOOL OR WAITING FOR PRACTICE TO START. If you payed these devs then you complain, other than that STFU. There is alot of stuff that goes on that we cant account for ahead of time.
Jeeze people, devs do this stuff as a hobby. Who are we to ***** that they don't do it fast enough, as one who has no programming skills I'm just grateful to the guys who do the work to make a killer device even better. Am I itching for some CM goodness? Sure, but I can wait, this phone is awesome as is.
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Jeeze people, devs do this stuff as a hobby. Who are we to ***** that they don't do it fast enough, as one who has no programming skills I'm just grateful to the guys who do the work to make a killer device even better. Am I itching for some CM goodness? Sure, but I can wait, this phone is awesome as is.
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Ex f'n xactly. I just appreciate anything I can get. Stop looking a gift horse in the mouth. Oh God I hope I said that right!!!
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It's picking up really well. I truly love the beginning of development life for great phones. I also had the evo 3d and enjoyed it grow from cleanrom to jellybean 4.1.
I really don't mind not having cm10. I personally would rather have stock jb. This LG stuff isn't half bad. The only thing for me is I get easily bored. I like the super cool themed roms with pretty things. But, that being said, jelly bean came out like forever ago. We are on like 4.2.2. I am more upset with LG. It isn't like they didn't know it was coming.
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I really don't mind not having cm10. I personally would rather have stock jb. This LG stuff isn't half bad. The only thing for me is I get easily bored. I like the super cool themed roms with pretty things. But, that being said, jelly bean came out like forever ago. We are on like 4.2.2. I am more upset with LG. It isn't like they didn't know it was coming.
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pretty things are soon to come. Just need to gets bugs and such out. My work somewhat, but mostly others devs I have been talking to.
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I really don't mind not having cm10. I personally would rather have stock jb. This LG stuff isn't half bad. The only thing for me is I get easily bored. I like the super cool themed roms with pretty things. But, that being said, jelly bean came out like forever ago. We are on like 4.2.2. I am more upset with LG. It isn't like they didn't know it was coming.
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Agreed. Pressure should be put on LG to update and release source. This is what we need to get more things rolling.
That being said, even though this software is only ICS, this is my first Android that I don't mind stock. I've run all the versions of ZV9 so far and stock deodex with some tweaks runs wonderfully. I'm coming from Touch wiz and Sense systems where they skin and change everything. I'll always be a Vanilla head, but I'm just as stoked to see what LG does with jellybean. This stock software isn't that far from AOSP really.
Also I don't see what the hoopla is about trying to port Nexus 4. This phone has way more potential than that.
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I really don't mind not having cm10. I personally would rather have stock jb. This LG stuff isn't half bad. The only thing for me is I get easily bored. I like the super cool themed roms with pretty things. But, that being said, jelly bean came out like forever ago. We are on like 4.2.2. I am more upset with LG. It isn't like they didn't know it was coming.
I completely agree. However, is this all that surprising? This is my first LG but it's my understanding they're notoriously bad with updates.
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^^^ I agree with what you said. In fact ive seen this.on many phones. Most of the blame is on lg for releasing the phone half ass. And also there wasent enough marketing put into the phone quite honest. By no means this isnt a flagship phone. Just because its labled as one. True the specs are nice but the fact that released with bugs and with ICS is complete bullcrap and a let down for sure. Further its just the nature of this forum to have to many chiefs not enough indians type of deal. Best way to learn anything is just to read up learn a little bit and have a clear mind and confidence u wont mess up your phone hahaha?
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If you didn't want ICS why'd you buy it? ICS runs perfect on this phone so far I'm glad there isn't much to fix. Remember the epic or the photon or the evo/evo3d those phones had issues this one has one wake lock and gets a little warm and the keyboard bug was fixed, by lg. I am grateful that this phone has little to no bugs and also that we have these skilled devs that are not only willing to tackle some of the issues to make this phone as perfect as possible but also that they're working at all to get cm or aosp on the device. Were not entitled to anything and like I said the phone already runs and looks great so we can be patient
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If you didn't want ICS why'd you buy it? ICS runs perfect on this phone so far I'm glad there isn't much to fix. Remember the epic or the photon or the evo/evo3d those phones had issues this one has one wake lock and gets a little warm and the keyboard bug was fixed, by lg. I am grateful that this phone has little to no bugs and also that we have these skilled devs that are not only willing to tackle some of the issues to make this phone as perfect as possible but also that they're working at all to get cm or aosp on the device. Were not entitled to anything and like I said the phone already runs and looks great so we can be patient
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are you serious with this rant??
The Point of BUYING A TOP OF THE LINE PHONE IS FOR THE LATEST UPDATES ON IT!! I BOUGHT IT ACTUALLY BASED ON THE PRESS SAYING IT WAS GOING TO RELEASE WITH Jellybean/or it would soon after which has been far from the truth.
YET IVE actually owned all those other phone that you mentioned as well. And yes eventually they received some nice DEV, all but the Photon which left such a bad taste in my mouth that I would never buy a MOTOROLA again!
That was all 3 years back respectively. Wouldn't you think a company would learn from past mistakes of other manufactures? Especially when they are "debuting" a "flagship device" Bottom Line - Its not smart.. You have you opinion, but no need to make an excuse for a companies bad decision. That is just Fact my friend....
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One last thing actually as a consumer we are entitled to timely updates by LG as Big as a company as they are to put the correct resources in the right places to ensure its consumers who pay for there premium product to have the most up to date software!! It would also make dev a hell of a lot easier too.
It has not been long yet so i have a little patience left..
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are you serious with this rant??
The Point of BUYING A TOP OF THE LINE PHONE IS FOR THE LATEST UPDATES ON IT!! I BOUGHT IT ACTUALLY BASED ON THE PRESS SAYING IT WAS GOING TO RELEASE WITH Jellybean/or it would soon after which has been far from the truth.
YET IVE actually owned all those other phone that you mentioned as well. And yes eventually they received some nice DEV, all but the Photon which left such a bad taste in my mouth that I would never buy a MOTOROLA again!
That was all 3 years back respectively. Wouldent you think a company would learn from past mistakes of other manufactures? Especially when they are "debuting" a "flagship device" Bottom Line - Its not smart.. You have you opinion, but no need to make an excuse for a companies bad decision. That is just Fact my friend....
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no love for the photon, you know it has 4.2 right?
nickespi said:
are you serious with this rant??
The Point of BUYING A TOP OF THE LINE PHONE IS FOR THE LATEST UPDATES ON IT!! I BOUGHT IT ACTUALLY BASED ON THE PRESS SAYING IT WAS GOING TO RELEASE WITH Jellybean/or it would soon after which has been far from the truth.
YET IVE actually owned all those other phone that you mentioned as well. And yes eventually they received some nice DEV, all but the Photon which left such a bad taste in my mouth that I would never buy a MOTOROLA again!
That was all 3 years back respectively. Wouldn't you think a company would learn from past mistakes of other manufactures? Especially when they are "debuting" a "flagship device" Bottom Line - Its not smart.. You have you opinion, but no need to make an excuse for a companies bad decision. That is just Fact my friend....
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One last thing actually as a consumer we are entitled to timely updates by LG as Big as a company as they are to put the correct resources in the right places to ensure its consumers who pay for there premium product to have the most up to date software!! It would also make dev a hell of a lot easier too.
It has not been long yet so i have a little patience left..
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Fine OK you have a longer rant you win.
As a consumer were entitled to a working phone that works out of the box. If lg figured they could make stable software with ice cream sandwich so be it. The phone runs great on it.
And if youre gonna speak of being a consumer then you should save your rants for lg not xda. The devs are just doing what they can no need to get pushy
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jokersax11 said:
no love for the photon, you know it has 4.2 right?
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Yeah I know Joker, but the phone didnt hold my interest long enough!! I waited and waited, had to kick it to the curb!! Does Wimax work on the 4.2? Because the unlock bootloader and no wimax isnt an option
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genaro12543 said:
Fine OK you have a longer rant you win.
As a consumer were entitled to a working phone that works out of the box. If lg figured they could make stable software with ice cream sandwich so be it. The phone runs great on it.
And if youre gonna speak of being a consumer then you should save your rants for lg not xda. The devs are just doing what they can no need to get pushy
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Pushy?
I cant even take you serious!! Bring facts*
As Stated its simply not good for business* Fact*. This is the Gen section so all rants apply here, regardless of your personal opinions/feelings - Maybe you can state your opinion and try not to tell people what to THINK. LOL I guess you would also fall into my statement about "Chiefs & Indians"??
IT GOES UNSAID THAT THE DEVS DESERVE CREDIT (They work with what they're given) - no need to constantly push that on people, obviously the devs are in control. To many of them there is some Incentive that also goes unsaid or unheard too. But to each their own!!
Hopefully the JB update for the Korean version means good news for us too!! Cant Wait*** I know there will be some good dev!
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Yeah I know Joker, but the phone didnt hold my interest long enough!! I waited and waited, had to kick it to the curb!! Does Wimax work on the 4.2? Because the unlock bootloader and no wimax isnt an option
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Pushy?
I cant even take you serious!! Bring facts*
As Stated its simply not good for business* Fact*. This is the Gen section so all rants apply here, regardless of your personal opinions/feelings - Maybe you can state your opinion and try not to tell people what to THINK. LOL I guess you would also fall into my statement about "Chiefs & Indians"??
IT GOES UNSAID THAT THE DEVS DESERVE CREDIT (They work with what they're given) - no need to constantly push that on people, obviously the devs are in control. To many of them there is some Incentive that also goes unsaid or unheard too. But to each their own!!
Hopefully the JB update for the Korean version means good news for us too!! Cant Wait*** I know there will be some good dev!
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I agree with everything you said I just think its easier to be patient when things are kept in perspective. I too am disappointed lg didn't reach they're original promise of jb by December but I'm happy the phone works great and that lg didn't hurt the software TOO MUCH so there isn't problems.
And I'm glad you said you appreciate the devs work I just didn't wanna see the opposite and assumed you were being pushy because you said you agree with that guys post that sounded very demanding just cuz he couldn't see work done on irc.
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