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[Q] Any proper Dev's here? Fancy a small challenge ?

*sigh*.. It's like asking for permission to ask a question. You'd be best off asking here directly.. Developers tend to have different strengths and weaknesses

Tehpriest said:
Looking for someone to put together a small app for me
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You should at least describe what kind of app is that

If I were to say openly then it would give someone else the opportunity to make the same app and the Dev (if there is one) who would agree to make it wcould lose out even if only on the credit for making it.

Im guessing in order to get help you can't automatically presume that most developers are d*cks who steal ideas from other people.

Now you are putting words into my mouth. Not really helpful that. Though the vast majority are not there is always a small number who plagiarise as is seen in the market. Now may I thank you for your comments as I await an answer.

I'm guessing you wont pay them either? I think developers might be reluctant if they feel that after hearing it, they might get in trouble for deciding they wont go ahead (I've been in that situation before)

As a developer... what? I have no idea what you're on about.
If you want a developer you need to:
1. Make available information about what you want developed.
2. Pay someone (a reasonable sum), or have a genuinely interesting project. The later being substantially less likely than the former.

Yeah...even if I pm'd you for information, and then decided I can't proceed on developing it... isn't it the same? I would have heard your idea anyway, so you're better off saying it directly. ;-)
Or... you could apply for a patent on it if you fear there are lots of thieves here lmao
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OK thanks for all the replies I will put my idea to a Dev forum that welcomes them.

Guys, please try and keep this on-topic without resorting to flaming the moment I close this tab.
@OP, XDA is all about sharing and working together to achieve common goals. As a result, developers here tend to work best when others can get involved. This kind of post pops up now and then, but these ideas usually end up unfulfilled due to the lack of information available.
And remember this is people's hobby, not necessarily their job, so most people aren't about to commit to making an app when they have no idea what it is. If it's not interesting to them, they likely won't want to do it.

awww sulky wulky. Hey any devs wanna build an app for me? I'm selling it but won't pay for it, and have no way of supporting it further down the line? No? Didn't think so. Flan.

Tehpriest said:
OK thanks for all the replies I will put my idea to a Dev forum that welcomes them.
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How would you know if the developer that you share the idea will not simply use it for his own profit?
This is xda-developers (a developer community) and I never heard about a case of stolen ideas here.
If you'd like to find some help implementing an idea, you should at least describe the developer profile, technologies,...
i.e. I'm looking for a developer to build a simple 2D game that connects to a website to load pictures using http protocol.... No previous experience required, All source code should be sent to me and I'll share the profits.... please PM me for details.
You can try rent-a-coder and, for a fee you have your idea implemented.
Your arrogance is not welcome here pal.
Good luck with your idea.

I make a post offering to give someone my idea for an app that if they can make they can do what they like with and I get flamed for it. I am not a Dev, I am very new to Android OS. I see a need and think someone may find it easy to meet that need so try to make it known so an individual may even if the want profit from it. And for this I get called arrogant and told I am not welcome.
And as for the trolling I will not comment.

Tehpriest said:
OK thanks for all the replies I will put my idea to a Dev forum that welcomes them.
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good luck, you won't find any! you come here asking for someone willing to do some stuff for you you won't tell them about before they agree to do it? lol! why should ANYONE agree to that. i, for one, am not interested on this conditions. also, this here (xda & android) is about community development, open source and therefore open ideas where everyone can profit.
if you wan't to sell the app then hire some dev for 20$/h but then you are indeed @ the wrong place here. otherwise just tell everyone about your idea and IF it's interesting, some people might pick it up...

Go and ask an iPhone dev if you wanna behave like that...not because youd fit in being a wanker but because they're much more commercially minded. It's funny in your original post you kinda imply most people working in this section and putting out material are not 'proper devs'. This is xda and this is open...people suggest apps all the time and people make it for free and maybe include ads or small charge to cover there costs, see lag fix, noled and galaxy s sim unlocker on market. You can be like the idea makers from there and just go 'that covers my needs and it's cool' or you can merrily skip along to an iPhone dev who is all profit.

Tehpriest said:
I make a post offering to give someone my idea for an app that if they can make they can do what they like with and I get flamed for it. I am not a Dev, I am very new to Android OS. I see a need and think someone may find it easy to meet that need so try to make it known so an individual may even if the want profit from it. And for this I get called arrogant and told I am not welcome.
And as for the trolling I will not comment.
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So let's make it clear: you are offering the dev the idea and if he realizes it, all profits would go to him? He will publish it and everything? So why don't tell it straight away, if it's interesting someone will do it. Even if 2 or 3 people do it, there will be 2 or 3 apps for the same purpose. So what? How many im clients or gps navigation software are on the market, and still coming out? Do you think only one of them is getting money and the others don't? Users also like to have choice...
However you should at least tell what kind of skills are required? 2/3d gaming? Databases? Web connection? Kernel hacking? I think even if you aren't a developer yourself it shouldn't be difficult answering these questions... at least you are selecting potential candidates... that would be the minimum requisite for posting such requests, how can I know if I could do it if I don't even know what skills are required? Not all developers have the same background you know...
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Tehpriest said:
OK thanks for all the replies I will put my idea to a Dev forum that welcomes them.
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Well that's just the problem. You haven't put your idea to this forum.

I bet it was a clock widget.

Guys,
This one has gone way off topic based largely on assumptions which is very unfair on the OP.
Closing this now.
WB

Tehpriest said:
If I were to say openly then it would give someone else the opportunity to make the same app and the Dev (if there is one) who would agree to make it wcould lose out even if only on the credit for making it.
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You are not going to dev it by the sounds of it, so it is really not up to you to keep such a project closed, isn't that exactly what you are asking to happen anyway? ( have another dev make it for you. )
You are coming on a forum, asking if any dev is willing to work on a secret project... ?
If there is money involved, and thus a reason for secrecy, do mention it.
ebbhead said:
I bet it was a clock widget.
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More like a pink flashlight.

Q and a no replies?!?!?!?!!!

Why questions and answers? Ok so I set up an account here in xda hoping to get some useful insight about some things for my phone. Well since I just set up account here on XDA can only post here. WELL I GOT NP REPLIES THANKS. So my question now is what is the point of strickening new members to q and a only if no one responds? Guess ill have to stick to phandroid.
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I know it can be frustrating at times especially when you need an answer asap.. but there may be a few reasons why no one answers your question
-its been asked way too many times (search for it)
-no one understands your question or knows the answer
-the evo 4g isn't neccesarily "new" therefore there's less traffic in this forum
-People work have other things to deal with and it may be a while (sometimes a long while) before you get an answer.
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j7jman said:
I know it can be frustrating at times especially when you need an answer asap.. but there may be a few reasons why no one answers your question
-its been asked way too many times (search for it)
-no one understands your question or knows the answer
-the evo 4g isn't neccesarily "new" therefore there's less traffic in this forum
-People work have other things to deal with and it may be a while (sometimes a long while) before you get an answer.
Sent from my Random, old but still kickin, Epic 4g
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Basically covered all the reasons why not to reply.

And when your question is about MetroPCS (I checked), you're less likely to get replies because the vast majority of members here use Sprint.
If there's a specific site for phones flashed to other networks, you'd be better asking there. People can't answer what they don't know.
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Don't know your question but if it pertains to flashing to other networks maybe try Howardforums
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Not going to beat a dead horse here but another tip here that you didn't hear from me is the bump. You posted that question 5 days ago and I assume was 3-5 pages back by now. I usually give my post a day then go back in and post the "anyone figure this out yet?" bump. Usually it will get a response. Like they already said, this forum is over a year old. Most have moved on and the ones that are here with the answers usually only bounce in and out of their own Rom threads.
teh roxxors is one of the RARE people that come slumming back to us from the 3d world to help out lol.

blizzard1017 said:
Not going to beat a dead horse here but another tip here that you didn't hear from me is the bump. You posted that question 5 days ago and I assume was 3-5 pages back by now. I usually give my post a day then go back in and post the "anyone figure this out yet?" bump. Usually it will get a response. Like they already said, this forum is over a year old. Most have moved on and the ones that are here with the answers usually only bounce in and out of their own Rom threads.
teh roxxors is one of the RARE people that come slumming back to us from the 3d world to help out lol.
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Very true advice about the bumping. And its hard to slum back from the 3D world when I never left 2D?!

I don't know what either of you guys are talking about. I've been 3D ever since I was born. *rimshot* /lame play on words joke

Concordium said:
I don't know what either of you guys are talking about. I've been 3D ever since I was born. *rimshot* /lame play on words joke
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I'm pretty sure I saw you on my 2D block the other day...just past vertex lane.

teh roxxorz said:
I'm pretty sure I saw you on my 2D block the other day...just past vertex lane.
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Nope. I was doing hard time in prism at the time.

Concordium said:
Nope. I was doing hard time in prism at the time.
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Officer parallelogram is a meany.

teh roxxorz said:
Officer parallelogram is a meany.
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Yeah he is. He said I was being rowdy during chow so he put me in isometric confinement.

Lol the whole reason I posted this was to see what replies this would get or should I say an answer. The question wasn't really that common I posted I searched everywhere I got an answer right away elsewhere so it couldn't have been the long while issue. No big deal just seems kinda useless to have to post in q and a at first. Give me the secret society/Howard forums feel.
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mteezey said:
Lol the whole reason I posted this was to see what replies this would get or should I say an answer. The question wasn't really that common I posted I searched everywhere I got an answer right away elsewhere so it couldn't have been the long while issue. No big deal just seems kinda useless to have to post in q and a at first. Give me the secret society/Howard forums feel.
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Then please feel free to remain over at the other forums instead of coming here and whining about how you didn't get an answer fast enough about a topic that hardly anyone here has any experience with.

I'm sure there is plenty of experience on this forum. The experienced ones probably don't hang out in the q and a forums that's all. 90 % of the data provisions for metro will be found on xda and if you search it on another site... guess what it links you here. That being said this thread was started to see if it got attention. Which it did. No whining just sharing my thoughts on why we should be able to post anywhere. Since experienced user's don't chill in the q & a?
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mteezey said:
I'm sure there is plenty of experience on this forum. The experienced ones probably don't hang out in the q and a forums that's all. 90 % of the data provisions for metro will be found on xda and if you search it on another site... guess what it links you here. That being said this thread was started to see if it got attention. Which it did. No whining just sharing my thoughts on why we should be able to post anywhere. Since experienced user's don't chill in the q & a?
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Experienced users do post in the Q & A section. And to make a thread just to see if it gets attention seems like a trap / childish [to me] , just like a person would pretend to have a fake bf/gf to see if the other gets jealous. Though regardless, experienced user do post here, I've seen it quite frequently. IF there were some question that wasn't answered and someone knows someone who can help, 9/10 that personal would say, "I don't know how to help,but if you look up _______ they can help you."
Also, the only place you can't post til abot 20 posts or so, if the development section. That's only because a lot of new users post Q & A questions there, clogging up that board, when they belong here. You can still read and download rom, just can't post there til ~20 posts, when you are more 'educated' on the forum. No bad mouthing, just saying.

I totally understand cause yea you do see it all the time where at the end of a guide full of roms. Someone asks what's a good rom or where do I find it. We should be able to take a test on experience to bypass the 20 post thing. My frustration came from knowing my answered would of lyed on this forum but no one even viewed it for days. I'm over that's what I get for getting a device that's over a year old. But hey its a big step up from my old one.
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mteezey said:
I totally understand cause yea you do see it all the time where at the end of a guide full of roms. Someone asks what's a good rom or where do I find it. We should be able to take a test on experience to bypass the 20 post thing. My frustration came from knowing my answered would of lyed on this forum but no one even viewed it for days. I'm over that's what I get for getting a device that's over a year old. But hey its a big step up from my old one.
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Well a lot of people still have the evo. And you can always try the bump, or if you see someone active on the forum, shoot them a pm; they'll most likely help you.

Maybe ill make my 20 posts of this thread. Jk I shouldn't really need much help on this device now that o know my data stays even when I flash roms that was my main concern.
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That's what was confusing I see so much activity on the evo threads everywhere. I figured my question had to be seen. And like someone else up here said usuallybsomeone familiar with the forum will send you in the right directioon if they themselves don't know the answer.
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To everyone who contributes to this forum

I have been an unregistered browser of these forums for about a month, but a few days ago I decided to go ahead and sign up. Not sure how much I will be able to contribute, but I have (and am still) learned so much. Its amazing, that little search box up top has answered every single question I had about my android phones. To all the fine folks who run/develope/contribute/post here, THANK YOU!

Thanks kentu,
our main goal is to have satisfied user that enjoy their stay here at XDA and when an user is happy, we are happy.
cheers.
kentu3 said:
I have been an unregistered browser of these forums for about a month, but a few days ago I decided to go ahead and sign up. Not sure how much I will be able to contribute, but I have (and am still) learned so much. Its amazing, that little search box up top has answered every single question I had about my android phones. To all the fine folks who run/develope/contribute/post here, THANK YOU!
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af974 said:
Thanks kentu,
our main goal is to have satisfied user that enjoy their stay here at XDA and when an user is happy, we are happy.
cheers.
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Well I just joined and can not contribute to any of the conversations I would like to contribute to because I do not have 10 posts yet so I guess you can count me as unsatisfied at the moment.. I can't even comment on stuff in the marketplace? So I'm forced to contribute BS to conversations I don't care about to get 10 posts so I can join the discussions I want to join. There seems like there has to be a better way.

grim82 said:
Well I just joined and can not contribute to any of the conversations I would like to contribute to because I do not have 10 posts yet so I guess you can count me as unsatisfied at the moment.. I can't even comment on stuff in the marketplace? So I'm forced to contribute BS to conversations I don't care about to get 10 posts so I can join the discussions I want to join. There seems like there has to be a better way.
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Have a look at the following thread as it may help you with your first 10 posts...
Postcount limit in developmental fora

guys,please block the userz that are not replyng to the post,because otherz are waitng for their answerz,why cant this be strict at all?please be considerate to otherz.just a sugestiOn.are they too intelgnt to ignre a newbie like us?,why dnt you try to change your policy..thanks for the concern.
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Give it time and you'll be able to contribute knowledge that the devs don't get to. While they're making sweet roms for us to use the rest of is are here to help others get to know how they work and contribute fixes for people who get unlucky and brick there phones. It took me a couple of weeks to get enough understanding to be able to help and soon enough you'll be there as well.
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Arar31 said:
guys,please block the userz that are not replyng to the post,because otherz are waitng for their answerz,why cant this be strict at all?please be considerate to otherz.just a sugestiOn.are they too intelgnt to ignre a newbie like us?,why dnt you try to change your policy..thanks for the concern.
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I dont have a problem with the 10 post rule. Just take the time go be constructive with your posts, and when you reply to someone post try to add something helpful. As you can see I'm not at 10, but i'll be there soon, no worries.

I'm really enjoying the site
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Thank you for the attitude you have about the 10 post rule.
kentu3 said:
I dont have a problem with the 10 post rule. Just take the time go be constructive with your posts, and when you reply to someone post try to add something helpful. As you can see I'm not at 10, but i'll be there soon, no worries.
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Thank you for searching to find your answers. A rare trait in new members nowadays.
kentu3 said:
I have been an unregistered browser of these forums for about a month, but a few days ago I decided to go ahead and sign up. Not sure how much I will be able to contribute, but I have (and am still) learned so much. Its amazing, that little search box up top has answered every single question I had about my android phones. To all the fine folks who run/develope/contribute/post here, THANK YOU!
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If only more new members were like you two. Welcome to XDA. Hope you enjoy it here.

Much thanks, boborone
I am a member of several different types of forums (Various Video Game, and Electronics), and one thing they all have in common is the Basics.

kentu3 said:
I have been an unregistered browser of these forums for about a month, but a few days ago I decided to go ahead and sign up. Not sure how much I will be able to contribute, but I have (and am still) learned so much. Its amazing, that little search box up top has answered every single question I had about my android phones. To all the fine folks who run/develope/contribute/post here, THANK YOU!
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Would have to agree with you kentu3. MOst of the questions have already been answered if you search.
Another thing that I do before posting a question about ROM "xyz" is to read the whole thread on that rom. You would be or not be suprised as to how many times the same question gets asked.
Thanks again kentu3 for this thread, and a big thanks to the DEV's and MOD's who make this site worth visiting

Hi! New here. I for one like the 10 post rule because it helps keeping it clean and when you surpass the limit you have proven yourself worthy.
Coming from a wide range of other communities, also as admin or moderator, I instantly knew XDA's rule was brilliant. Looking forward to contributing in any way I can.
Now I'm gonna try and find out how to find this Thanks-button in XDA app
/M
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mookan said:
Hi! New here. I for one like the 10 post rule because it helps keeping it clean and when you surpass the limit you have proven yourself worthy.
Coming from a wide range of other communities, also as admin or moderator, I instantly knew XDA's rule was brilliant. Looking forward to contributing in any way I can.
Now I'm gonna try and find out how to find this Thanks-button in XDA app
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You can 'thank' a post in XDA by long-pressing on the post
Welcome to all of you by the way, and enjoy your time here. It's a wonderful resource

Found it Thanks!
Starting to get the hang of this, but XDA is just so big!
Quick tip for new users:
Make sure you follow @xdadevelopers on Twitter
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Afther i saw how cool for me was learn about my phone see how many things i can do to my phone using the developers information i was like wow this people deserve everybody constribution thast why i became premium thansk guys!!
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I'm kind of new here too and I've notice this site takes a long time to load. Does anyone have that problem?

Meyer23 said:
I'm kind of new here too and I've notice this site takes a long time to load. Does anyone have that problem?
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It is quite an ad-heavy site unless you use a blocker of some description. There's also a mammoth amount of content. I've seen a lot of people mention load times as a downfall, but to be honest I don't notice it taking any longer than some of the other tech sites I frequent
Load times are such a subjective thing though, everyone will differ. What browser do you use? Firefox seems to pop up a lot re: slow load times.

Well I typically do most of my surfing at work, which I use IE right now. Don't have much of a choice. I downloaded Firefox a while back but it never worked right. Not sure if it's because of the firewall or whatever here, (I have no idea how that all works) but Firefox was terrible. I tried to get Chrome but it's blocked too.
The slowness to me isn't really a huge deal, just curious why as other forums I frequent load pretty fast. But the more I surf around here, there is a TON of info.

Meyer23 said:
Well I typically do most of my surfing at work, which I use IE right now. Don't have much of a choice. I downloaded Firefox a while back but it never worked right. Not sure if it's because of the firewall or whatever here, (I have no idea how that all works) but Firefox was terrible. I tried to get Chrome but it's blocked too.
The slowness to me isn't really a huge deal, just curious why as other forums I frequent load pretty fast. But the more I surf around here, there is a TON of info.
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I use IE (6) at work too Ed, and it's noticeably (horribly) slower than Chrome at home. Likewise, all other options are restriced here for me.
For personal use at home, the latest Chrome with Ad Blocker Pro (free) works extremely well at speeding up the genera;l browsing experience here at XDA. It is a resource-heavy forum so it still takes a little longer to load, but that's the price I pay for the wealth of information here, to me personally anyway
Could be worse, I was on 56k at home until last year when they upgraded our RIM (out in woop-woop)

Community Engagement

Community Engagement on xda developers
Where has the spirit gone of developers, making something better for all.
We like to make our devices better then what "stock" brings us.
But some people seem to forget what we are doing here: Create & Share
Why do people think that the "Open Source" software we are modifying or hacking is theirs to claim or Copyright.
Why are we not sharing and making better what others create...
Has the spirit here really gone?
And do we just want FAME ! !
If I was to create an app and hack Android, HTC or Samsung software by re-writing and adding code to it.
If this took me hours to do, this is still "Open Source" and people can copy my code in to their work.
The devs here are all working in a "Grey" area, and it's really hard not to see your work else where.
Consider it as a compliment if it is that way.
It took Google, HTC & Samsung hours to create what they made, do we care, and not touch it...
I don't think so ! !
HTC encrypts the Sense software because they don't want people to modify it... Do we care?
I don't think so...
So why do people/devs here on xda think that they can claim it for themselves?
Why do other devs get banned, or threads get closed if something similar is published?
We all Kang from Google, HTC & Samsung, but if we use some code from our fellow devs on xda, are we doing something wrong?
I don't get this!
I would really like this to be an open discussion, and try to clear this up for all of us.
My intention is not to start a fight, so please reply in a civilized way.
This also not directed to anybody in person
I hope the XDA staff can put themselves in my/our position, and try to understand it from this point of view.
My thoughts 1 day later @ post 141
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After a full day on this thread, I got more response then what I expected.
Thank you all for your participation.
You took the time to read this and give your opinion.
You all made me grow in my opinion, and maybe even change it a bit
What did it bring me:
Sharing now is for me: Collectively Developing (tnx Hacre)
I have no problems in being wrong, and might not have picked the correct words in some parts.
HIS POST
Good explanation on how the staff thinks
Thanks to my friend Russ for his well spoken words
HIS POST - HIS POST
What is reasonable and what not.
Tnx Ben, my fellow team member got me thinking as well
HIS POST - HIS POST
What am I gonna do now
beside building a rom and a kernel....
Gonna dig even more in the smali code (tnx af974)
HIS POST - HIS POST
For me this discussion is finished... Tnx ALL I'm gonna move on...
If the staff thinks the same, lock it for reference.
Cheers
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The ETHOS of XDA-Developers
Back when I was a Senior Moderator, I was asked to put into words what the mythical Ethos of XDA-Developers was. This was then debated by the moderators, Administrators and owners, it was never formally adopted but it was accepted by most as the closest anyone had come to defining what XDA is (was).
Ethos: an English word based on a Greek word and denotes the guiding beliefs or ideals that characterize a community, a nation or an ideology.
XDA-Developers was founded on the simple principal that SHARING IS GOOD and when many people SHARE what they know, EVERYONE benefits. We exist upon this Ethos, we respect each other, we SHARE with each other, we do not judge one another and we HELP all who ask. We believe that while some may have more knowledge than another, none are more important.
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It pains me greatly to see how XDA has degraded over the years to become a playground of egos and pissing contests between little boys who think they own what they stole from someone else.
I have been a strong supporter of XDA for many, many years but, I find my desire to support XDA is waning as the climate of sharing and camaraderie shift toward a climate of ownership and entitlement.

agreed so many phones left behind due to ego and epeen ppl always bailing on phones just because its not popular it takes work to get publicity ...
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it was the same issues on the galaxy s2. people kanging others and people getting annoyed and ending up releasing stuff with the exclusivity and banning others from using it.
android is an open source at the end of the day. if someone wants to kang someone as long as credits are given and links to the originator's thread what is wrong with that? at the end of the day it should be a compliment to the originator that someone wants to kang your work and share it with the masses.
now i can understand if someone passes something over as their own and did not give credits. that is wrong and the culprits should be banned. but as stated above if proper credits are given then i do not see the harm in things.
but again on the flip side though if i was to spend hours and hours on something then the person who asks me for permission they should respect that i do not want to share...it kinda goes both ways really so it is hard to judge...but there are devs and themers included who act like real divas and most of the time now they do things for fame as Danny mentioned.
at the end of the day we are xda and we are here as a community and here to make our phones better and that is why the devs on this awesome site come in...devs should be sharing ideas together..not competing against each other

Franzferdinan51 said:
agreed so many phones left behind due to ego and epeen ppl always bailing on phones just because its not popular it takes work to get publicity ...
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Not sure we are talking about the same thing here my friend, its a much more important subject, sharing, the main reason XDA exists (or so I thought)
btw, thanked u when i was trying to quote ya, oh well, Ill share some love
There is really no better way to say it as both Danny and Russ summarized it very well. We are all here for one reason and one reason only, to SHARE. Isnt this what the "community" is about? I just hope the admins take a moment and reevaluate some of the people with powers around.
Ah before I forget, if you are gonna patent your "ideas" I really think its time for you to get a hold of apple, you already qualified with this mentality and in MY opinion, you do NOT belong here.
OK done venting... Thank u for listening.

DaDoctor said:
Not sure we are talking about the same thing here my friend, its a much more important subject, sharing, the main reason XDA exists (or so I thought)
btw, thanked u when i was trying to quote ya, oh well, Ill share some love
There is really no better way to say it as both Danny and Russ summarized it very well. We are all here for one reason and one reason only, to SHARE. Isnt this what the "community" is about? I just hope the admins take a moment and reevaluate some of the people with powers around.
Ah before I forget, if you are gonna patent your "ideas" I really think its time for you to get a hold of apple, you already qualified with this mentality and in MY opinion, you do NOT belong here.
OK done venting... Thank u for listening.
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oh trust me it happens in other forums as well. sometimes xda favors those who they want to favor and do not pay any attention to the other party and they side with those who they want to side with..it looks like politics sometimes and whoever is the topdog here should re-valuate the way the mods run the show here.
But the other thing though is devs who do not want to share there work, the dev who asked for permission and got knocked back should respect the other dev's decision. like i said at my post above it goes both ways. we can share but we can also not share as well....it is a difficult scenario really...but kanging and not getting permission is wrong

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oh trust me it happens in other forums as well. sometimes xda favors those who they want to favor and do not pay any attention to the other party and they side with those who they want to side with..it looks like politics sometimes and whoever is the topdog here should re-valuate the way the mods run the show here.
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Thats an other part of the discussion...
Who has the best friends here at XDA will win...
And those discussions are behind close doors.. As it would be better to show the "community" how they come to a decision.
And my post did not come out off the blue, but got me thinking on thinks that happend somewhere this week...
and made me a bit mad and disappointed @ xda
And I see a lot of people pushing the "thanks" button.. but I would like them to reply even more (hint xda staff )

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Thats an other part of the discussion...
Who has the best friends here at XDA will win...
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ahh mate that is so true. but not going to get into that. things should stay private specially between devs and mods. but sometimes us normal members like me would like to know what goes on though cause at the end of the day all this pickering effects the users of the roms cause we are the ones who miss out on class roms...so sometimes acting like kids is not always the best way to go about.

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ahh mate that is so true. but not going to get into that. things should stay private specially between devs and mods. but sometimes us normal members like me would like to know what goes on though cause at the end of the day all this pickering effects the users of the roms cause we are the ones who miss out on class roms...so sometimes acting like kids is not always the best way to go about.
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I would not wanna see the whole discussion, but they could publish the outcome in the thread(s) involved. So the community knows what happend and why.
And if all devs did share, the users would have even more choice to pick from.
And if all devs did share, the hack/tweak would only get better/bigger.

Here is my view on it.... we all agree that the spirit of XDA is about sharing. So if a certain person has spent many hours on programming/creating something and refuses to share it... why post it on XDA in the first place. I just don't get it, because in my eyes that's something small children do when one has something better than the others and refuses to share.
If you want to go 'look at what I've done, isn't it good, aren't I good?' And then go 'but you can't use it, because if you do I'm going to throw a tantrum...' Don't post it on XDA... somewhere, where the main rule is about sharing what you've done.
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One of the main reason why I choose android is because of the openess of it. The reason why I'm in XDA is because of some great devs/hackers who spend time creating something wonderful and share it with the community without expecting anything in return. I really hope it stays that way.

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I would not wanna see the whole discussion, but they could publish the outcome in the thread(s) involved. So the community knows what happend and why.
And if all devs did share, the users would have even more choice to pick from.
And if all devs did share, the hack/tweak would only get better/bigger.
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DutchDanny, I know what happened this week, and believe me: I feel for you (at least in the part of permissions). If you try to ask some devs for permission to use their work, you don't get any answers, if you don't, they cry murder and let xda infract you. That can't be right in the long run. I've been around some years and xda was always about using other peoples work and build upon it (be it companies' work like HTC or Google, or other devs' work). But unfortunately that has changed in the last year or so. I have no problem with the fact that devs want to know who uses their work and for what and that a dev demands being credited for the use of his work. But I have a problem with the fact that some devs/themers/modders can prohibit the use of their work for others. When they claim copyright on that work, they should be reminded that they broke the copyright of numerous other ppl by simply creating their work.
So in my humble opinion, xda MUST change it's sharing policy.
My suggestion: People that want to use the official titles of recognized developers or themers should officially put all work they release on xda into public domain from the moment they release it (under the condition of being credited for it by everybody who uses it). Being RD or RT also includes some rules for conduct, and that sharing policy should be a part of that.
just my 2ct.

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DutchDanny, I know what happened this week, and believe me: I feel for you. If you try to ask some devs for permission to use their work, you don't get any answers, if you don't, they cry murder and let xda infract you. That can't be right in the long run. I've been around some years and xda was always about using other peoples work and build upon it (be it companies' work like HTC or Google, or other devs' work). But unfortunately that has changed in the last year or so. I have no problem with the fact that devs want to know who uses their work and for what and that a dev demands being credited for the use of his work. But I have a problem with the fact that some devs/themers/modders can prohibit the use of their work for others. When they claim copyright on that work, they should be reminded that they broke the copyright of numerous other ppl by simply creating their work.
So in my humble opinion, xda MUST change it's sharing policy.
My suggestion: People that want to use the official titles of recognized developers or themers should officially put all work they release on xda into public domain from the moment they release it (under the condition of being credited for it by everybody who uses it). Being RD or RT also includes some rules for conduct, and that sharing policy should be a part of that.
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I know you and me never saw eye to eye but you could not have put it any better. Well written post.
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In part i agree but in part nope.
The real fault is by people that have no respect for other people or developers, take this little example:
User A make a rom, some smali changes, some scripts, some apps, a good room in the end.
It comes user B and say " uhm, nice rom but if i'll delete these 2 apk from it then it will be perfect"
So it do that, make thread and people enjoy his work claiming that his rom is better then user A.....
And?? Where is Development? No way, 7zip isn't a tool that can be said for development and the site name is pretty clear, it is not XDAKangers or XDA-ctrl&C/ctrl&V.
Don't get me wrong i'm all for sharing but some people think that sharing means just grab it and use it and the real problem aren't the mods but n00bs that don't know what is the respect for other developers.......that's whay so many thread are closed by mods.
Different story is when a Recognized Developer refuse to give permissions to use his work to another RD or another well know senior member, this should be changed.

I have to agree with the the majority so far, it does seem against the open source culture in which XDA tries to foster.
It does seem with the increase in "kanging" it creates a conundrum for Mods & Admins as to how to manage this, Do we enforce sharing? Do we try to create our own sort of "patent" system in which certain things must be shared under a so called "fair" use and other items such as themes for example be left under the current system we have as present?
We need to find a consensus amongst us as a community with a right way to proceed with this maybe danny could add a poll this to garner opinion on weather people would like to keep the current system or change it to get some sort of indication on weather the current system is working or not.

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DutchDanny, I know what happened this week, and believe me: I feel for you. If you try to ask some devs for permission to use their work, you don't get any answers, if you don't, they cry murder and let xda infract you. That can't be right in the long run. I've been around some years and xda was always about using other peoples work and build upon it (be it companies' work like HTC or Google, or other devs' work). But unfortunately that has changed in the last year or so. I have no problem with the fact that devs want to know who uses their work and for what and that a dev demands being credited for the use of his work. But I have a problem with the fact that some devs/themers/modders can prohibit the use of their work for others. When they claim copyright on that work, they should be reminded that they broke the copyright of numerous other ppl by simply creating their work.
So in my humble opinion, xda MUST change it's sharing policy.
My suggestion: People that want to use the official titles of recognized developers or themers should officially put all work they release on xda into public domain from the moment they release it (under the condition of being credited for it by everybody who uses it). Being RD or RT also includes some rules for conduct, and that sharing policy should be a part of that.
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I think you have a real good point there.
All that is released on XDA is under sharing policy.
And not to be claimed.
Credits are the least we could do...
btw: noting happend to me, but to members close to me.. But thanks
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In part i agree but in part nope.
The real fault is by people that have no respect for other people or developers, take this little example:
User A make a rom, some smali changes, some scripts, some apps, a good room in the end.
It comes user B and say " uhm, nice rom but if i'll delete these 2 apk from it then it will be perfect"
So it do that, make thread and people enjoy his work claiming that his rom is better then user A.....
And?? Where is Development? No way, 7zip isn't a tool that can be said for development and the site name is pretty clear, it is not XDAKangers or XDA-ctrl&C/ctrl&V.
Don't get me wrong i'm all for sharing but some people think that sharing means just grab it and use it and the real problem aren't the mods but n00bs that don't know what is the respect for other developers.......that's whay so many thread are closed by mods.
Different story is when a Recognized Developer refuse to give permissions to use his work to another RD or another well know senior member, this should be changed.
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Please take this in consideration, cause this is what made me mad on xda for the decission it made this week, and what made me start this open discussion.

af974 said:
In part i agree but in part nope.
The real fault is by people that have no respect for other people or developers, take this little example:
User A make a rom, some smali changes, some scripts, some apps, a good room in the end.
It comes user B and say " uhm, nice rom but if i'll delete these 2 apk from it then it will be perfect"
So it do that, make thread and people enjoy his work claiming that his rom is better then user A.....
And?? Where is Development? No way, 7zip isn't a tool that can be said for development and the site name is pretty clear, it is not XDAKangers or XDA-ctrl&C/ctrl&V.
Don't get me wrong i'm all for sharing but some people think that sharing means just grab it and use it and the real problem aren't the mods but n00bs that don't know what is the respect for other developers.......that's whay so many thread are closed by mods.
Different story is when a Recognized Developer refuse to give permissions to use his work to another RD or another well know senior member, this should be changed.
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Very well said, but to stay in your example, couldn't it be that the rom WITHOUT the two apk's is really "better" (in the sense of "more popular") than the original? And as long as the creator of that second version stats in his OP the he took the complete work of dev 1 and streamlined it, shouldn't that be enough?
You are absolutely right. The problem really is that some (more and more) guys lack that deserved respect for developers and just don't credit the source, thus pi... off the creator and making him "close" the source, thus restraining true development (if only by removing two apk ). The way to ensure a "fair use" should be discussed and finally fixed. Staying with the situation we have now, that ppl can keep others from using their bits more or less deliberately, maybe just because they don't like their "nose", can't be right. If there are good reasons (history of kanging or whatever), thats something else again.

I'm very sorry, cause I'm not a real dev or themer or contributor, just a young Andoid user and member who's integrated one team after pass sometime to found or help others xda members.
Why I came here on xda site. I'm french, my english is average, but some french forums bored me, that's why I came here, for all that @danny, @russ try to explain in this thread.
And since a couple of time, all of this spirit is gone. For what ?
Money, glory, respect...maybe? But I think not for the last term.
I am here because I want to share and help other members.
But also and because the eco-system Android allows this exchange and to move forward development for the pleasure of all.
Then stop, stop theses local wars and let yours feets on earth.
If you want to make some money, don't diffuse your codes, I think it's not necessary to stay here. Open your site and nobody will be able to take your codes.
Thanks for your listening

Here are my feelings on it.
What has angered me with certain attitudes towards sharing in xda recently, is that it seems to have been initially offered, then retracted. We are given a taste, then told "no more, go make your own". Was the plan to hook us like junkies, then we'd all only have one place to run to for our "fix"? Then when we are all hooked, the price goes up? No more freedom. Only one choice. Is that how you should gain followers on xda? I think we've been treated like guinea pigs then discarded. Permission is withdrawn, refused, then terms like "respect" get banded about. Don't treat us like this.
So we break free. Start from fresh. We are off the hook. Clean. But someone doesn't like us off the hook, pushing our own "product" and, worried about some false notion of competition or turf invasion, goes to lengths to make sure there is only one messiah.
Except this isn't a competition. We are not rivals in different factions or tribes or gangs depending on what Rom we choose to get involved with. We should not be in it for glory, or to be the "Big Dog" whose Rom is forbidden fruit to be envied by those who choose to wear the wrong colors. We are not looking to amass the biggest army as a mark of our success.
Why has this gotten this far? Without getting bogged down in the legalities of open source and gpl, I just think some people in high places need to take a step back. Stop and think. Where do you draw the line between keeping healthy community, encouraging development, and simply looking after your "homies"?
I feel this line is currently drawn in the wrong place. And it didn't use to be.
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There does need to be a clear consensus and line drawn, so we can all ensure that the rules are clear and followed.
That being said; I, like many agree but also disagree.
Sharing here is much like in a store; you as a consumer have a choice. Now albeit here we do not pay for your 'goods' we do still take certain risks(warranty's etc). Now, XDA is also about offering choice so if the sharing policy extends to the point that we can take everything then what choice will be left. Much like you see everywhere on XDA choice is being eliminated everywhere as more builds are essentially the same but for a few wallpapers and tweaks in the build.prop which quite frankly ruins the whole point of having choice and there being more than one available.
Fair enough if someone has spent hours/days/weeks making something and shares it here but that shouldn't automatically then mean that every other 'dev' can bang it in theirs. All they have to do it ctrl+c, ctrl+v the thing after all your hard spent effort on it. The developer should be allowed to be proud of their work and it not to be diluted with it being everywhere. Yes I think we should help, share and combine efforts but if you have improved something and don't wish to share it then fair enough there is no law to state you have to and should someone effectively plagiarise your work then there should be punishments.
If I ask someone for something I would like and they say no, then I go get it myself or do without. I don't just take it anyway, that's what babies do when they don't understand the laws of society which even apply when you are online.
That's my input.

Turn on SMS over IMS?

Can someone tell what was the default setting on the Turn on SMS over IMS? Should that feature be on or off and what does it do in general thanks?

You don't have to start another thread just because your first one didn't get answered...
Swiftkey'ed on my CM9 Galaxy Nexus

Thanks for the info that helped alot.

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Thanks for the info that helped alot.
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OP, it's a pain asking on message boards,people get all defensive when they don't know the answer!
The only semi-useful info I could find was at code.google.com - (I'm a new user, can't post URL's)

Herman76 said:
You don't have to start another thread just because your first one didn't get answered...
Swiftkey'ed on my CM9 Galaxy Nexus
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This whole site has a great deal of unhelpful, self righteous twats. Top it off with the stupid posting restrictions for new users and you have a pretty damn unfriendly place for noobs. I should have known from the snarky video I had to watch just to join that this was an exclusive Android guru only place. It sucks that people come here to chat and get help with issues and this is the kind of responses they get. Good job. :thumbdown:
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Can someone tell what was the default setting on the Turn on SMS over IMS? Should that feature be on or off and what does it do in general thanks?
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The default setting is off.
IMS = IP Multimedia Subsystem
IP = Internet Protocol
SIP = Session Initiation Protocol
With setting off, SMS is sent/received over 1x circuit switched connection
With setting on, SMS is supposedly sent/received over a SIP session over IP (e.g. LTE)
I'm not sure if one is better than the other or what advantages/disadvantages either would have.

Is IMS even functional? I know it will be for VoLTE, but what about now?

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This whole site has a great deal of unhelpful, self righteous twats. Top it off with the stupid posting restrictions for new users and you have a pretty damn unfriendly place for noobs. I should have known from the snarky video I had to watch just to join that this was an exclusive Android guru only place. It sucks that people come here to chat and get help with issues and this is the kind of responses they get. Good job. :thumbdown:
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I 100% agree with this.

Herman76 said:
You don't have to start another thread just because your first one didn't get answered...
Swiftkey'ed on my CM9 Galaxy Nexus
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Look at this dudes signature, you can tell he's a corn ball.
Anyway, I was curious about this too because sms over ims is supposed to be available when volte launches, which hasn't yet (volte is voice and sms coming over LTE). Right now only data comes over LTE. Voice is still 1x with some other convoluted ehrpd stuff.
Anyhow, any luck with this? Did you give it a try? I imagine your data usage would go up since text would go against your data usage.

Xfanatic said:
This whole site has a great deal of unhelpful, self righteous twats. Top it off with the stupid posting restrictions for new users and you have a pretty damn unfriendly place for noobs. I should have known from the snarky video I had to watch just to join that this was an exclusive Android guru only place. It sucks that people come here to chat and get help with issues and this is the kind of responses they get. Good job. :thumbdown:
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Finally, someone whom sees it how I do. It's sad to see that this still happens. Every since the BB days and mIRC chat all the way up until now it continues. Forums are meant to help the "Noob" or "Lam3r" if any of you are old enough to remember that term. If you want to help then great, but if not then I would love for these fat, anti-social dorks to do something other than harass and discourage the young ones (and the older) who wish to learn.
If everyone could follow that philosophy as a general rule. Kind of like Open Source software, it's done for a cause, something greater than one's self. If forum users (not naming any in particular) would open their minds and allow a bit of tolerance for the unknowing rather than providing links to this, this and this (which sometimes is the easiest way to resolve and issue or answer a question). But god forbid if someone doesn't use the search feature.
I understand that answering the same questions over and over again is annoying. But rather than push that person off with another link or trolling comment just think back to when you were that "Lam3r" or that "N00b" noone wanted to help back in the 90's and how frustrating it was.
None of us started out this life knowing anything about software development, computers and networking, telecommunications, etc. But when a forum is created, watch out....everyone is an expert and "you are an idiot" if you have a simple question to ask. N00b's, don't let these loser's discourage you. Keep looking for your answers on XDA and you will find someone willing to help. There are tons of super cool members here.
And again, I'm with you 100% Xfanatic....
Deuces.

PAinguINx said:
Finally, someone whom sees it how I do. It's sad to see that this still happens. Every since the BB days and mIRC chat all the way up until now it continues. Forums are meant to help the "Noob" or "Lam3r" if any of you are old enough to remember that term. If you want to help then great, but if not then I would love for these fat, anti-social dorks to do something other than harass and discourage the young ones (and the older) who wish to learn.
If everyone could follow that philosophy as a general rule. Kind of like Open Source software, it's done for a cause, something greater than one's self. If forum users (not naming any in particular) would open their minds and allow a bit of tolerance for the unknowing rather than providing links to this, this and this (which sometimes is the easiest way to resolve and issue or answer a question). But god forbid if someone doesn't use the search feature.
I understand that answering the same questions over and over again is annoying. But rather than push that person off with another link or trolling comment just think back to when you were that "Lam3r" or that "N00b" noone wanted to help back in the 90's and how frustrating it was.
None of us started out this life knowing anything about software development, computers and networking, telecommunications, etc. But when a forum is created, watch out....everyone is an expert and "you are an idiot" if you have a simple question to ask. N00b's, don't let these loser's discourage you. Keep looking for your answers on XDA and you will find someone willing to help. There are tons of super cool members here.
And again, I'm with you 100% Xfanatic....
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I agree with you about agreeing with Xfanatic...and Lam3rs should not get discouraged because there really are good people out there!
On the topic - this reminds me of the setting in older phones (maybe began with the first few colour phones?) of using GPRS for SMS. Never really understood if it had any advantage/disadvantage and it was disabled by default. I didnt see any change in performance if it was on or off, and also couldn't see a notable change in data usage but it was harder to track back then...

ishaang said:
I agree with you about agreeing with Xfanatic...and Lam3rs should not get discouraged because there really are good people out there!
On the topic - this reminds me of the setting in older phones (maybe began with the first few colour phones?) of using GPRS for SMS. Never really understood if it had any advantage/disadvantage and it was disabled by default. I didnt see any change in performance if it was on or off, and also couldn't see a notable change in data usage but it was harder to track back then...
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How old are the phones you're referring to?

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How old are the phones you're referring to?
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Before phones were smart.

Haha! some like the P900 I still have a lot of respect for and it was probably as smart as todays phones with less gimmick
I was talking about phones from around 2002 or 2003...Nokia 7250i for example
This user's guide I found for the phone has the setting listed as one of the features - http://dl.owneriq.net/4/41149a6d-d289-4d77-b932-7006a2d469d8.pdf

IMS
wikipedia is your friend ref: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_Multimedia_Subsystem .. option remains relevant for new phones ie Nexus 4 etc. Sometimes registration is required to enable.
Rob

T-mobile definitely utilizes LTE(SIP - see above for definition) for sending texts. Not sure about other carriers.
Edit: I just tested on and off with or without registration, and really don't experience any noticeable difference regardless of how it's set. None the less, its apparently active on T-Mobile network.

Really?
You guys are all such a big help for people aren't you. this comes up in the top of a lot of SMS/IMS search results and you people are arguing over internet politics. juts fricken help people or move along okay? I gave up on trying to find my answer in this muck!

Cry babys
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You guys are all such a big help for people aren't you. this comes up in the top of a lot of SMS/IMS search results and you people are arguing over internet politics. juts fricken help people or move along okay? I gave up on trying to find my answer in this muck!
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AGREE!
I wish I found my answer in this thread as I found during my friend Google search.
Instead I wasted my time reading blah blah blah Cry Babys blah!

I cant get 4g on my sony xperia m2 and when i got to network operators no 4g shows up please help