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http://smartphones.verizonwireless.com/nexus/
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Lucky es o bees...
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Lucky es o bees...
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For real. If Verizon gets this exclusively that'll be garbage.
Great, another outlet to throw away our privacy and give companies more of our information to use and sell, for the convenience of being quickly informed of when we can give them more of our money...
Lmao. I got duped on google nexus register. Samsung is sending advertiesments to me now. But no mention of nexus. The ole bait and switch just for advertising. Even lamer.
I voided my warranty and your nexus.
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For real. If Verizon gets this exclusively that'll be garbage.
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No worries, it will only be for like the first month... Also getting Razr presale emails... Why would I want that over the Nexus? Good luck competing.
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Read it here:
http://www.tmonews.com/2011/10/gala...erizons-website-calls-galaxy-nexus-exclusive/
Being with t-mobile it sucks that some of us will have to wait longer.
Blow me verizon.
There's something incompatible btw the uber-controlling Verizon and the supposedly open dev nexus line.
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I am using a damn Samsung gravity. I sold my sensation for this crap. I am going to get amaze.
I just saw that. YOu know what? F*** google. They claim that they intend to do things differently, but then at the end of the day they sell out to the highest bidder.
I was a serious google fan, but the edges are starting to crack and it is slowly dawning on me that the innovative, fast moving company of the early 2000's is becoming a weighed down hegemony of bean counting MBA's who are starting to only get it right when they get lucky.
Exclusive on the most expensive carrier in the USA. The same carrier that replaced their search engine with Bing on 1/3 of their Android lineup. Not a word of it breathed at their week-late press conference. My own fault for getting my hopes up, I suppose.
I am due for a new phone around December/January and this will afford me the opportunity to take a good long look at what Windows phone has to offer before the Galaxy Nexus is even available to me.
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I just saw that. YOu know what? F*** google. They claim that they intend to do things differently, but then at the end of the day they sell out to the highest bidder.
I was a serious google fan, but the edges are starting to crack and it is slowly dawning on me that the innovative, fast moving company of the early 2000's is becoming a weighed down hegemony of bean counting MBA's who are starting to only get it right when they get lucky.
Exclusive on the most expensive carrier in the USA. The same carrier that replaced their search engine with Bing on 1/3 of their Android lineup. Not a word of it breathed at their week-late press conference. My own fault for getting my hopes up, I suppose.
I am due for a new phone around December/January and this will afford me the opportunity to take a good long look at what Windows phone has to offer before the Galaxy Nexus is even available to me.
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Don't feel bad. Just remember one thing. Google is a business company. They don't care about me and you. They support whoever pay more. I am going to get SGS2 or HTC Amaze. I don't have a choice and can't wait longer than the end of nov which is my upgrade time.
i used to be with Tmo but had to switch cause i got stationed in Montana, and now im kinda glad i did, even though I loved the big T
If tmobile is going to get it, they will mention this at the event on Friday. we will see.
Relax. I highly doubt its anything more than a timed exclusive. Both the nexus one and nexus s were only on one carrier originally.
And yes, if you were planning on getting the international one, i'm pretty sure it will still work on AT&T or T-Mo as long as the bands match up.
Well if they're pentaband then you could just buy the world phone model at full price and go. I think it only affects those looking to pick it up on a contract.
It is weird Verizon having a Nexus. Seem to clash together but my work has Verizon so why pay for a personal line?
G2x - 2.3.7 CM7
Transformer - 3.2 Revolver OC/UV
Bet you when they are referring to the 'exclusive' Galaxy Nexus they are only talking about the LTE model and all the others will get the pentaband one at pretty much the same time.
Just had a thought... I know it doesn't say it, but... maybe it word play. I mean they will be the exclusive carrier of the LTE version, but remember there's too versions. Hhhuuummmm
Stupid Samsung, why can't you just release carrier info. when you unveil it.
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Damn, beat me to it... we're on the same wave length though.
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Bet you when they are referring to the 'exclusive' Galaxy Nexus they are only talking about the LTE model and all the others will get the pentaband one at pretty much the same time.
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Hopefully you right. I think like you because there is no one point between tmo and vz. It's couple of weeks and we will see.
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Relax. I highly doubt its anything more than a timed exclusive. Both the nexus one and nexus s were only on one carrier originally.
And yes, if you were planning on getting the international one, i'm pretty sure it will still work on AT&T or T-Mo as long as the bands match up.
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I'm not gonna act like I'm not disappointed they have exclusively, especially since the other Nexus phones started as exclusive to one carrier as well. I wish they would just drop the whole exclusivity thing and make it available to everyone day one as exclusivity only really hurts the consumer. No way I'm switching to Verizon for this phone. I'll either import or wait for the GSM version to hit the US (if it's not that long of a wait). It's really bad for the phone's sales too considering in the world of smartphones, the next big release is always right around the corner and you will lose a lot of potential customers who will get something else because they don't feel like waiting anymore or something else hits the market. The average consumer doesn't know care about the Nexus brand, they care about new and noteworthy so why not try to rope them in while the iron is hot?
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I'm almost certain 7 us carriers are getting the nexus
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Hey guys, mainly asking for your opinions so just let them fly.
I currently have a Thunderbolt and my contract is up at the end of November now I am trying to decide what to do next. I was fully anticipating going with the nexus 4 (I was prepared to never buy a non nexus device as long as Google keeps making them). Now that the nexus 4 will not be on Verizon and switching to at&t isn't an option since I get 25% off my bill through work, what would you guys do if you were in my situation? The Gnex is going to be cheap as hell when am eligible for an upgrade and am still considering it, should I be? Do you think Gnex development will slow down dramatically any time soon? I'd also hate to buy a phone with outdated hardware...do you guys run into hardware limitations withe the Gnex?
The only other phone that intrigues me is the galaxy s3. Mainly because it is so popular that I see there being a huge development opportunity there? I looked through the thread for the GS3 and it looks like there plenty of aosp roms and it looks to me like there will be quick updates for it as well. The biggest things I hate about the GS3 are the hardware buttons, I love the customisable soft keys in aosp and think that hard keys are so pointless anymore.
I'm pretty much against moto but if you really think I should look at something they have to offer, let me know.
Any thoughts and opinions are appreciated, thanks in advance.
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Hey guys, mainly asking for your opinions so just let them fly.
I currently have a Thunderbolt and my contract is up at the end of November now I am trying to decide what to do next. I was fully anticipating going with the nexus 4 (I was prepared to never buy a non nexus device as long as Google keeps making them). Now that the nexus 4 will not be on Verizon and switching to at&t isn't an option since I get 25% off my bill through work, what would you guys do if you were in my situation? The Gnex is going to be cheap as hell when am eligible for an upgrade and am still considering it, should I be? Do you think Gnex development will slow down dramatically any time soon? I'd also hate to buy a phone with outdated hardware...do you guys run into hardware limitations withe the Gnex?
The only other phone that intrigues me is the galaxy s3. Mainly because it is so popular that I see there being a huge development opportunity there? I looked through the thread for the GS3 and it looks like there plenty of aosp roms and it looks to me like there will be quick updates for it as well. The biggest things I hate about the GS3 are the hardware buttons, I love the customisable soft keys in aosp and think that hard keys are so pointless anymore.
I'm pretty much against moto but if you really think I should look at something they have to offer, let me know.
Any thoughts and opinions are appreciated, thanks in advance.
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My advice? Wait and watch. See how the N4 actually pans out as a device itself. It could be a hardware flop for all we know at this point. There were certainly fun hardware issues with the Gnex.
Then wait a bit longer for the HTC DNA. It might turn out to be a barnburner, or something to burn the barn with.
Then make a decision.
I'm not sure if the Moto RAZR i or HD is a good option or not for you.
Its up on you dude. go out & explore something new and one more thing that the GS3 is a pretty good option.
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I would wait if I where u. If u really need a new phone I would say the galaxy as 3 is a good choice. I have the gnex with Verizon and I love it. I dont have no issues at all my signal is always good i dont drop any calls or never go into 3g lol. (Must be my area i live in) Only problem I see u having is the storage capacity. The gnex on Verizon is now offered with only 16GB. No more 32GB. But as stated before, wait it out a few more months and see what's around the corner. If anything get a used nexus from craigslist for like 250 bucks to hold u over. That way up don't waist your upgrade on a phone u might regret
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25% off of Verizon's prices is still more expensive then Straight Talk or T-Mobile prepaid.... why not get a Nexus 4 anyway and stop signing contracts?
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25% off of Verizon's prices is still more expensive then Straight Talk or T-Mobile prepaid.... why not get a Nexus 4 anyway and stop signing contracts?
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The answer for most people? Coverage.
Coverage, Coverage, Coverage.
If you have a Thunderbolt, that means you still have unlimited data right? So if you're planning on buying a Nexus anyway, you might as well just find an unlocked one (i've seen used ones for ~$150-250) so that you won't have to upgrade. If I remember correctly (and I might be wrong), but Verizon only takes away the unlimited data when you try to upgrade.
No offense, but then he'd be stuck with T-Mobile's network and current lack of LTE. I root for T-Mobile; however, I was miserable when I was using them in suburban Denver, due to relatively inconsistent/slow data.
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No offense, but then he'd be stuck with T-Mobile's network and current lack of LTE. I root for T-Mobile; however, I was miserable when I was using them in suburban Denver, due to relatively inconsistent/slow data.
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You can use AT&T's towers via Straight Talk if T-Mobile isn't great for your area. AT&T's HSPA+ network is pretty expansive.
Also, he wouldn't be "stuck" with anything - he could take the SIM card out and flush it down the toilet if the service bothers him. That's the beauty of not having a contract
I had the gnex on Verizon and loved it, except for one crucial issue-battery life. Sure, this was remedied somewhat by getting spare batteries, but this got to be a pain in the ass.
I currently have the Verizon SIII and love it (I find the dev community to be more than adequate). Yet I agree that it is worth waiting for the inevitable next greatest thing. The DNA does look to be badass
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Yeah the main reason why I stay with Verizon is coverage and my discount. At&t is the only other viable option, all the others are spotty at best around where I live.
Yeah I never thought of trying to get a gnex off contract. That would probly be the best option seeing that I'm getting married in June and will most likely have to revamp my plan for me and the wife anyway.
My friend just got the s3, he doesn't root or anything like I do but I can still bug him about the battery life at least.
My Thunderbolt has spoken.
Step 1: Buy Straight Talk AT&T Sim
Step 2: Buy Nexus 4
Step 3: Drop Verizon
Step 4: Save money
Step 5: ????
Step 6: ... CONTINUE TO SAAAAVE
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iArtisan said:
Step 1: Buy Straight Talk AT&T Sim
Step 2: Buy Nexus 4
Step 3: Drop Verizon
Step 4: Save money
Step 5: ????
Step 6: ... CONTINUE TO SAAAAVE
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I've only ever dealt with Verizon so can you include a few more details? Isn't straight talk sprint, but you're saying at&t sim?
My Thunderbolt has spoken.
The only way I'll be buying a Nexus 4 is if it's gifted to me.
I honestly want to wait it out for MWC and HTC's 2013 lineup.
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I had the gnex on Verizon and loved it, except for one crucial issue-battery life. Sure, this was remedied somewhat by getting spare batteries, but this got to be a pain in the ass.
I currently have the Verizon SIII and love it (I find the dev community to be more than adequate). Yet I agree that it is worth waiting for the inevitable next greatest thing. The DNA does look to be badass
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I'm not real big on the next best thing, the S3 would be in that category for me. Do you stick with touchwiz ROMs or aosp (or aokp)?
I have a sour taste in my mouth for HTC and I'm sick of waiting. I thought I waited for the next best thing with the Tbolt when I was coming from the OG droid. Samsung at least gets it right with their flagship devices. They don't come out with almost an identical phone but with more bugs worked out 3 months later.
I'll wait till Christmas and see what all comes but that's as long as I'll wait.
My Thunderbolt has spoken.
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The only way I'll be buying a Nexus 4 is if it's gifted to me.
I honestly want to wait it out for MWC and HTC's 2013 lineup.
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How do you buy something gifted to you?
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I've only ever dealt with Verizon so can you include a few more details? Isn't straight talk sprint, but you're saying at&t sim?
My Thunderbolt has spoken.
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Straight talk offers an AT&T SIM that gives you unlimited* everything for $45/mo. I think it's actually their most popular plan.
*2-5gb of data before they start to nag, depending on how the stars align for you. Since, you know, unlimited is never actually unlimited in the US anymore...
If you are only with verizon because of the discount, try calling up another phone company and see if they can match the offer or sweeten the pot for you. My brother gets a corporate discount with Bell (here in Canada) and so he called up Rogers (who he's with), and told them that he can get such and such plan for such and such price and asked if he can match it otherwise he'd switch. I forget the specifics of what he got but he was able to get a discount because of it.
Otherwise, just wait like many others said. Perhaps you can get a sweeter phone than the nexus.
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How do you buy something gifted to you?
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don't be annoying like that
To OP: I'm in a similar situation actually, except that I use a GNex right now instead of a TurdBolt. Nobody knows if a Nexus 4 will come to VZN, but I'd probably just buy a GNex until something better rolls around later. And if you do have unlimited data, DO NOT UPGRADE! I cannot fathom losing my unlimited data at this point of my spoiled-data-consumption life. And the development for the VZN GNex is pretty healthy actually. Nothing to complain about, especially when you know you have a reliable connection at the end of the day.
I'm in agreement there, I dumped my tbolt for a gnex and it was a huge step up. You can grab one for fairly cheap off contract now too. I have little to complain about besides battery being a moderate problem. It still beats the tbolt for battery life by quite a bit though, and has given me better data reception. My main urge to upgrade is called 'upgraditis'. For now I'll be trying to treat the symptoms.
If you're considering it, maybe do it before then!
http://mashable.com/2013/01/23/unlocking-cellphones-illegal/
They can take their "laws" and shove'em. Might as well openly tell us they are doing as told to do so by the rich companies. At the end of the day people will still do it and most likely users on craigslist will end up making more money by unlocking them for users. =s
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If you're considering it, maybe do it before then!
http://mashable.com/2013/01/23/unlocking-cellphones-illegal/
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but that's only for flashing phones to diff. carriers not unlocking bootloaders or rooting phones no?
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but that's only for flashing phones to diff. carriers not unlocking bootloaders or rooting phones no?
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Correct. Rooting is still legal.
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(Note that unlocking is different from "jailbreaking," which opens the phone up for running additional software and remains legal for smartphones.)
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Making things like this illegal will just make people do it more. When the government steps in an says no you cannot do something to something you have purchased then that becomes a major issue. As far as I am concerned once you enter a contract the phone is yours to do with what you want. If you break that contract then there is an ETF. If you refuse to pay the ETF then the carrier must go after you VIA other channels. It would be the same as leasing a car and then not paying on it but while you owned it you repainted it. LOL
this is just dumb.
all thats going to result from this is that you can charge allot more when unlocking a phone on craigslist or something like that. **** i used to charge 20 bucks to unlock iphones before i got tired of handling icrap
remember laws are meant to be broken so who cares what they come up with... besides this goes back to the arguments many have had on this forum and other ones ...
if i bought the device with my money that i earned the device is mine and i can do whatever i want to do with it . if i put sprint phone on verizon and i pay my bill then im not stealing or anything like that yeah its not "right" or what they want us to do but $hit many of the things carriers do to us the consumers aint right either... as long as your doing this things for your personal device and not for stalking or in any way affect or hurt someone else who cares what the law says.....
oh and to those who follow the rules to the T and dont like my statement dont even bother replying ...
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remember laws are meant to be broken so who cares what they come up with... besides this goes back to the arguments many have had on this forum and other ones ...
if i bought the device with my money that i earned the device is mine and i can do whatever i want to do with it . if i put sprint phone on verizon and i pay my bill then im not stealing or anything like that yeah its not "right" or what they want us to do but $hit many of the things carriers do to us the consumers aint right either... as long as your doing this things for your personal device and not for stalking or in any way affect or hurt someone else who cares what the law says.....
oh and to those who follow the rules to the T and dont like my statement dont even bother replying ...
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I like your statement!!! I IGNORE rules to the T.:beer::beer::beer::screwy::sly:
Pp.
Transmitted from another galaxy with a Jellybean infused P-5113 full of Unicorn porn.
Lasted I checked I bought my phone with my money and I will do whatever I want to do with it. Government can go stick it up their butts.
Can you even use this phone on another carrier? If so, what are the adverse consequences of unlocking it now?
I dont think the reasoning behind the law is to stop individual users, but to be able to stop stores/phiscal locations that unlock phones. There's about a bazillion phone stores that you literally can walk in and have a phone unlocked and activated.
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I dont think the reasoning behind the law is to stop individual users, but to be able to stop stores/phiscal locations that unlock phones. There's about a bazillion phone stores that you literally can walk in and have a phone unlocked and activated.
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If the carrier allows you to bring your own device the government needs to stay the hell out of it. This is just one more law to generate revenue that will be next to impossible to fully enforce, just like drug laws. There's more damn drugs imported to this country and on the streets than there was when the "war on drugs" began. Land of the free my ass, if the person is hurting no one other than themselves thats their choice. Just like you should be able to do whatever the fork you want with your device that you paid for and no one should be able to say boo about it. What's next? Gonna say I can't install linux on my PC cuz it shipped with windoze? Guess where you can stick your "laws"?
I like to break stuff!
Not only is the company making money off you when you sign the contract, they're making money when you buy a phone from them. They're pissed off because they're not getting any money for the device. Greed pure and simple. Another bit of proof that large companies have the government in their pockets. They tell the politicians to make laws that protect the company's interests. I say screw those companies and stop doing business with them. Let your money do the talking and voting.
The revolving door. Smh
Sorry but it makes sense to me... in some areas. I bought my E4GT used with a clean ESN and had it flashed to Cricket. $250 total investment (including flash and porting my existing number over), and I pay less than $60 a month. I don't get 4g but I'm always around WiFi anyway, so it's a sweet deal. But...
A few years back, my old BlackBerry on Sprint was stolen. The jackhole that took it most likely walked into a Cricket store and had it flashed and activated the same day without issue.
Also, who's to stop a contract Sprint customer from reporting a phone stolen, paying a deductible for a nice replacement, then selling the "stolen" phone on Craigslist (with a clearly advertised bad ESN for Cricket/Boost/Metro only) for a handsome profit? It only takes a few to spoil the bunch, but this is actually pretty common.
But if I buy a clean and clear phone outright LEGALLY, shouldn't I have the right to flash it to whatever carrier is compatible? There really should be some kind of middle ground, where only clean ESN phones can be legally flashed. I can see some good intentions here, but as usual, Uncle Sam goes about it in a really dumb way, bending everybody over while smiling and trying to convince us it's for the best
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Im sure CDMA has long gone bee shafted. This is more as the shaft to GSM American users. Guess american businesses will lose more cash at the end of day with users either preferring to buy international unlocked phones or going the "breaking the law" route. Who is there to enforce it? And how.
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Anyone able to offer a tutorial so I can unlock my phone today before it's illegal? No joke either I really want to do this before it's illegal.
It's a E4GT on Sprint wanting to flash to Metro in the Bay Area.
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Anyone able to offer a tutorial so I can unlock my phone today before it's illegal? No joke either I really want to do this before it's illegal.
It's a E4GT on Sprint wanting to flash to Metro in the Bay Area.
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Assuming you got a sprint e4gt why even ask? This applies to GSM devices when they mean unlock, they mean unlock it network wise ATT/T-Mobile vice versa.
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Yes. I believe ESN swapping is still considered illegal.
But you can still unlock your gsm phone legally, you just have to ask the carrier first. Just tell them you are going oversees
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Has anyone tried getting unlock keys by contacting htcdev, i know its a long shot but someone over there might not care and give us what we want.
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Has anyone tried getting unlock keys by contacting htcdev, i know its a long shot but someone over there might not care and give us what we want.
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Hahahahahahhahahahahahah......................hahahahahahahahahaha..........
OR....HTC will continue to take it dry and sideways from VZW because they basically have to..... Verizon has absolutely no interest in having unlocked devices on their network. They made it clear they would rather lose the subscribers over it. And HTC won't give in to you because VZW would basically block their devices on their network / not carry HTC in the future.....
Either way, lose lose...
Ultimately, irritating HTC won't do a damn thing for any of us.
You have to be willing to put your money where your mouth is. If you can't tolerate a phone that isn't unlockable, go back to the Verizon store and return it. If you can't tolerate a carrier that thinks that "customer service" is best expressed through the middle finger, then you have to be willing to switch carriers.
I'm not willing to switch carriers yet, but the time may soon come. In the mean time, I believe that I was sold something materially different from what was promised, so when I head back over there Tuesday afternoon, I intend to make sure that there is no restocking fee applied -- and if they push the issue, I'll just issue a chargeback and let my credit card issuer deal with it. (I'll report back with my results afterwards.)
It's sad that I'll end up with an SGS4 dev edition instead, because that phone feels like a cheap plastic toy compared to the One. But at the end of the day, it's like I said -- you have to put your money where your mouth is.
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I'm not willing to switch carriers yet, but the time may soon come. In the mean time, I believe that I was sold something materially different from what was promised, so when I head back over there Tuesday afternoon, I intend to make sure that there is no restocking fee applied -- and if they push the issue, I'll just issue a chargeback and let my credit card issuer deal with it. (I'll report back with my results afterwards.)
It's sad that I'll end up with an SGS4 dev edition instead, because that phone feels like a cheap plastic toy compared to the One. But at the end of the day, it's like I said -- you have to put your money where your mouth is.
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You were promised an unlocked phone? Please, show me where...
So you're going to buy a phone for Verizon anyway? That'll show them!
And good luck with the fraudulent chargeback! Let us know how it works out for you.
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You were promised an unlocked phone? Please, show me where...
So you're going to buy a phone for Verizon anyway? That'll show them!
And good luck with the fraudulent chargeback! Let us know how it works out for you.
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I'm not sure where I said "I was promised an unlocked phone", specifically.
I was offered an HTC One. The same HTC One as every other carrier -- the same HTC One that was unlockable when I purchased it. There are two things wrong here: that the device isn't the same as every other carrier (and nowhere was it written "come get the HTC One, minus the differentiating flagship feature"); and that the unlocking feature was disabled after I had purchased the device. (Both of these are classified as a "bait & switch".)
You're right that fraud is involved here, but it's not on my part. I'll keep you posted with the results; I'm curious to see whether my issuer will side with me. (I anticipate that they will; this is a pretty clear-cut case of an unethical business practice. Outside of the wireless industry, such a thing is unheardof.)
You are also right that it is sad that I'm stuck on one carrier. I don't believe that other carriers are much better right now, but that is a discussion for another thread. At the same time, there is a direct cost to Verizon when I return this device. Each person who returns their phone without a restocking fee is a small voice, but still speaks. The message is unlikely to be received in time for a turn-around on this phone, but your voices are heard.
I hope you'll consider returning your phone, too. At the least, there is nothing to take pride of in a sig: the only thing that it shows is that you're willing to accept being stepped on.
Good Luck
Honestly, you'd be surprised what you can get when bringing in an outside party. I wrote a letter to my AG during the Sprint / Evo / Fee ordeal, involved the BBB, and MULTIPLE (read over 10) calls to the Sprint retention line. Didn't win, but didn't have to pay my ETF either so it's a mixed bag. I have faith in the dev community to fix this issue, but until then I'll deal with the locked One.
We need to bring it to Verizon, not HTC, but I agree.
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We need to bring it to Verizon, not HTC, but I agree.
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Its funny, usually the response to this is that we are such a small percentage of users Verizon doesn't care. But yet that care so much about this small percentage to block the unlock. Verizon likes to have it both ways. And they go out of their way to stop the unlock, so its something they are actively monitoring and addressing.
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I'm not sure where I said "I was promised an unlocked phone", specifically.
I was offered an HTC One. The same HTC One as every other carrier -- the same HTC One that was unlockable when I purchased it. There are two things wrong here: that the device isn't the same as every other carrier (and nowhere was it written "come get the HTC One, minus the differentiating flagship feature"); and that the unlocking feature was disabled after I had purchased the device. (Both of these are classified as a "bait & switch".)
You're right that fraud is involved here, but it's not on my part. I'll keep you posted with the results; I'm curious to see whether my issuer will side with me. (I anticipate that they will; this is a pretty clear-cut case of an unethical business practice. Outside of the wireless industry, such a thing is unheardof.)
You are also right that it is sad that I'm stuck on one carrier. I don't believe that other carriers are much better right now, but that is a discussion for another thread. At the same time, there is a direct cost to Verizon when I return this device. Each person who returns their phone without a restocking fee is a small voice, but still speaks. The message is unlikely to be received in time for a turn-around on this phone, but your voices are heard.
I hope you'll consider returning your phone, too. At the least, there is nothing to take pride of in a sig: the only thing that it shows is that you're willing to accept being stepped on.
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You assumed, you were not promised anything, as you stated. Assuming and being promised are 2 different things. Just because it's unlockable elsewhere doesn't automatically make VZWs version unlockable.
I won't be returning my phone. We have people working on this phone and I have confidence in them that they'll get it done.
Even without unlock, this is the best damn phone I have ever owned.
Sent from my HTC One.
There are still phones on Verizon that have native unlocking. Developer edition phones work on Verizon, and on HTC dev the Thunderbolt and I believe some other Verizon phones are natively unlockable with that tool. They're willing to do it with some phones, just not the majority.
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There are still phones on Verizon that have native unlocking. Developer edition phones work on Verizon, and on HTC dev the Thunderbolt and I believe some other Verizon phones are natively unlockable with that tool. They're willing to do it with some phones, just not the majority.
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Such a strange policy though. IIRC, the RAZR HD developer edition didn't just come with an unlocked bootloader, you had to use a Moto tool to do it (like HTCdev). So why is Verizon ok with that but not with a phone they sell in their store?
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I'm not sure where I said "I was promised an unlocked phone", specifically.
I was offered an HTC One. The same HTC One as every other carrier -- the same HTC One that was unlockable when I purchased it. There are two things wrong here: that the device isn't the same as every other carrier (and nowhere was it written "come get the HTC One, minus the differentiating flagship feature"); and that the unlocking feature was disabled after I had purchased the device. (Both of these are classified as a "bait & switch".)
You're right that fraud is involved here, but it's not on my part. I'll keep you posted with the results; I'm curious to see whether my issuer will side with me. (I anticipate that they will; this is a pretty clear-cut case of an unethical business practice. Outside of the wireless industry, such a thing is unheardof.)
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I'm interested to see how this works out for you. I had a full day of meetings on Thursday, then headed straight to the airport with literally no time to go to the VZW store, so I ordered online thinking surely they wouldn't be quick enough to lock it down before it arrives at my house (later today). Massive regret, stupid wishful thinking. I've been searching for places where VZW noted in writing the phone would be the same as on every other carrier, and for legal precedent of features disabled after purchase being included in bait-and-switch. Seems like, logically, that should be the case, but I haven't (in the past hour since I started looking into it...) found anything exactly like this. A car dealer can't exactly change your car's features after you leave the lot, so this is probably sort of a new issue. I'm not an attorney, but I have some experience with legal writing. I can post back if I find anything relevant, or I'd be interested in any info you plan to take with you to support your request, as I would consider doing the same.
(Phew...first post! Sort of nerve-wracking.)
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I'm interested to see how this works out for you. I had a full day of meetings on Thursday, then headed straight to the airport with literally no time to go to the VZW store, so I ordered online thinking surely they wouldn't be quick enough to lock it down before it arrives at my house (later today). Massive regret, stupid wishful thinking. I've been searching for places where VZW noted in writing the phone would be the same as on every other carrier, and for legal precedent of features disabled after purchase being included in bait-and-switch. Seems like, logically, that should be the case, but I haven't (in the past hour since I started looking into it...) found anything exactly like this. A car dealer can't exactly change your car's features after you leave the lot, so this is probably sort of a new issue. I'm not an attorney, but I have some experience with legal writing. I can post back if I find anything relevant, or I'd be interested in any info you plan to take with you to support your request, as I would consider doing the same.
(Phew...first post! Sort of nerve-wracking.)
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Well technically it can't be the same as the other carriers because of the LTE bands. Also the software is different due to the pre-loaded Verizon apps. Also I think AT&T has a locked bootloader. I don't think any carrier that you could unlock the bootloader on (T-Mobile and who else?) listed that as a feature.
No harm in trying, I've already started an email thread with support from htcdev. I'll just simply argue that other have gotten unlocked bootloaders so why can't the rest of us. And its also not like its impossible to do or htcdev can't support it, because we have physical proof that it works.
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I'm interested to see how this works out for you. I had a full day of meetings on Thursday, then headed straight to the airport with literally no time to go to the VZW store, so I ordered online thinking surely they wouldn't be quick enough to lock it down before it arrives at my house (later today). Massive regret, stupid wishful thinking. I've been searching for places where VZW noted in writing the phone would be the same as on every other carrier, and for legal precedent of features disabled after purchase being included in bait-and-switch. Seems like, logically, that should be the case, but I haven't (in the past hour since I started looking into it...) found anything exactly like this. A car dealer can't exactly change your car's features after you leave the lot, so this is probably sort of a new issue. I'm not an attorney, but I have some experience with legal writing. I can post back if I find anything relevant, or I'd be interested in any info you plan to take with you to support your request, as I would consider doing the same.
(Phew...first post! Sort of nerve-wracking.)
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It isn't 'bait and switch'. You weren't baited with a unlockable bootloader.
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I'm not sure where I said "I was promised an unlocked phone", specifically.
I was offered an HTC One. The same HTC One as every other carrier -- the same HTC One that was unlockable when I purchased it. There are two things wrong here: that the device isn't the same as every other carrier (and nowhere was it written "come get the HTC One, minus the differentiating flagship feature"); and that the unlocking feature was disabled after I had purchased the device. (Both of these are classified as a "bait & switch".)
You're right that fraud is involved here, but it's not on my part. I'll keep you posted with the results; I'm curious to see whether my issuer will side with me. (I anticipate that they will; this is a pretty clear-cut case of an unethical business practice. Outside of the wireless industry, such a thing is unheardof.)
You are also right that it is sad that I'm stuck on one carrier. I don't believe that other carriers are much better right now, but that is a discussion for another thread. At the same time, there is a direct cost to Verizon when I return this device. Each person who returns their phone without a restocking fee is a small voice, but still speaks. The message is unlikely to be received in time for a turn-around on this phone, but your voices are heard.
I hope you'll consider returning your phone, too. At the least, there is nothing to take pride of in a sig: the only thing that it shows is that you're willing to accept being stepped on.
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You were not offered the same HTC One as every other carrier. Sprint's HTC One is different from AT&T's HTC One, which is different from the International Version which is different than the Verizon version. I'm sorry, but your logic is so flawed. You should return it because it has 4.2.2 and AT&T has 4.1.2, according to your logic!
I'm wondering if I'm being trolled.
I probably am. I'll stop feeding now...
Not that its binding, but for what its worth htcdev.com does say: "Devices launched after 9/2011 will be shipped with the unlock capability"
By that logic, the fact that the unlock codes no longer work for the Verizon HTC One is an issue with the HTCdev site. If I am not mistaken, the idea that Verizon was behind the change is technically an assumption (albeit a logical one) on our part.
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Not that its binding, but for what its worth htcdev.com does say: "Devices launched after 9/2011 will be shipped with the unlock capability"
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The One is capable of being unlocked via HTC dev, Verizon is just restricting that capability.
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It isn't 'bait and switch'. You weren't baited with a unlockable bootloader.
You were not offered the same HTC One as every other carrier. Sprint's HTC One is different from AT&T's HTC One, which is different from the International Version which is different than the Verizon version. I'm sorry, but your logic is so flawed. You should return it because it has 4.2.2 and AT&T has 4.1.2, according to your logic!
I'm wondering if I'm being trolled.
I probably am. I'll stop feeding now...
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Yea, but the fact that it was more functional when you bought it might have some legs. It's like buying a car, and then having the dealership install a padlock on the engine bay a few days later without your consent so only they can service it.
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Not that its binding, but for what its worth htcdev.com does say: "Devices launched after 9/2011 will be shipped with the unlock capability"
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Yea, but the fact that it was more functional when you bought it might have some legs. It's like buying a car, and then having the dealership install a padlock on the engine bay a few days later without your consent so only they can service it.
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You didn't buy the phone from HTC. We bought it from Verizon (or its authorized retailers). That unlock capability applies to international versions.
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Has anyone tried getting unlock keys by contacting htcdev, i know its a long shot but someone over there might not care and give us what we want.
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You are the definition of optimism.
As part of my pledge not to buy devices that aren't unlockable, I returned my phone today. Even though I was one of the lucky ones who managed to unlock it, on principle, I won't pay for devices that I can't take ownership of the software on. I did get half of my restocking fee waived; here's how I did it.
First off, before you even begin trying to convince someone else that you're right, you have to convince yourself. After all, if you don't think you're right, how do you expect anyone else to take your point of view? Luckily, if you choose to return this device because it isn't what was advertised, you are right. The reason why I expect to be able to return the phone is that it simply isn't the same device that I bought. When I bought the device, on day 1, it was an HTC One -- like every other HTC One, it was factory-unlockable. Any device that anybody calls an HTC One, until then, was an unlockable phone. And, indeed, on day 1, it was -- up until Verizon removed the feature that I purchased on, around 24 hours later.
So, just like it would be if you bought an HTC One, and instead it was made out of cheap polycarbonate (sorry, SGS4 fanboys!) instead of aluminum, you bought something that was different than you were expecting to buy. (When someone sells you something that's not what you got in a way that affects its value or utility, that means that it's "materially different"; that is to say, it's different in a way that caused you to do something different than you otherwise would have.) In that case, you're right to return the device, and obviously you shouldn't pay fees to someone who sold you something materially different than what you thought you were buying.
Now that you're convinced that you shouldn't pay a restocking fee, how do you do it?
I walked into a Verizon Wireless store (in my case, the one on San Tomas Expy., in Santa Clara, CA), and clearly told the man at the door -- the manager -- what my problem is, and what I'd like. I told him that I'd like to return the device, and why I felt that I should be refunded, without going into much detail. He agreed, and said that I'd have to call customer service to have the fee waived and applied as a credit, but that he'd be happy to help in any way he could. He suggested that I call *611 first to make sure that I'd get it waived, and then he'd process it; so, I did.
It got somewhat more hairy there. The person who initially answered my call to *611 said that she wouldn't be able to do anything, and under no circumstances would she be able to refund my restocking fee. I expected this, and you should too: the first-level drones can't do anything for you (but you should be polite to them anyway). She offered to transfer me to a "customer satisfaction representative", which I happily accepted.
We went back and forth a few times. One of the things that they will tell you is that once you return the phone, they can't sell it as new anymore; you can respond by saying that you understand that it doesn't have as much value to them, but that it simply doesn't work for your purposes, and that they have an obligation to refund you for something that's materially different from what they advertised. They may have to speak to the store manager; that's okay, let them. Be patient and polite, but firm.
They may begin offering compromises. At this point, it's up to you. For instance, I was offered a $10 credit; I decided that wasn't good enough. You can remind the person on the phone of how long you've been a customer, if you have that sort of status -- again, be polite, but firm. I was eventually offered a refund of half of the restocking fee, which I took (applied as a credit to my account).
But, if that's not good enough for you, you don't have to take it. Depending on how much you value your time, you have other opportunities. You can talk to your credit card issuer; again, be patient and polite. (If you're talking to an issuer, don't use the word "unlock", since they can very easily confuse it with a SIM unlock. Be perfectly clear -- refer to the feature as "the HTCDev feature", or "custom software support".) They may be willing to refund your money, and then they'll work it out with Verizon Wireless later.
If you have *way* too much free time, you could even use small claims court. Again, remember that phrase, "materially different" -- it is! You don't need a lawyer to go to small claims court (and, indeed, in many small claims courts, lawyers aren't allowed!).
tl;dr: Yes, it's possible to return your One with either no restocking fee or a reduced restocking fee. You shouldn't settle for a phone that you don't control -- as the EFF says, 'you own it, you pwn it'. If it bothers you, you should put your money where your mouth is, and return it -- then, but a phone that's unlockable.
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As part of my pledge not to buy devices that aren't unlockable, I returned my phone today. Even though I was one of the lucky ones who managed to unlock it, on principle, I won't pay for devices that I can't take ownership of the software on. I did get half of my restocking fee waived; here's how I did it.
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Wait, are you saying that you were able to return your bootloader unlocked/tampered phone? How did you get them to do that? I'm only asking because I am in the exact same situation as you and potentially thinking about getting the Moto X coming out this week. *flamesuit for that phone* lol
They let you unlock it via the HTC site, for a day at least. I feel that would still allow you to return it. The warranty is voided but there is nothing that stated you cannot return it. I'd think based on that you'd have a great argument too return it.
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Wait, are you saying that you were able to return your bootloader unlocked/tampered phone? How did you get them to do that? I'm only asking because I am in the exact same situation as you and potentially thinking about getting the Moto X coming out this week. *flamesuit for that phone* lol
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They don't check.
I exchanged my unlocked One for another and then unlocked that one as well.
Well you weren't really "duped" per say. Its not like Verizon's like "Hey come check out the HTC One!!! Its boot loader unlocked!!!"
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They don't check.
I exchanged my unlocked One for another and then unlocked that one as well.
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So you managed to get and unlock two phones in less than the 24 hours we had to unlock the phone?
Sent from my locked Verizon HTC One
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So you managed to get and unlock two phones in less than the 24 hours we had to unlock the phone?
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Yes. First one had a dead pixel. Jumped on the train and went through the rain to the store because I knew HTCDEV would be locked down. Exhanged it, double and triple checked the new one. Ran home and unlocked it again.
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Yes. First one had a dead pixel. Jumped on the train and went through the rain to the store because I knew HTCDEV would be locked down. Exhanged it, double and triple checked the new one. Ran home and unlocked it again.
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wow thats fast AND lucky haha
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Wait, are you saying that you were able to return your bootloader unlocked/tampered phone? How did you get them to do that? I'm only asking because I am in the exact same situation as you and potentially thinking about getting the Moto X coming out this week. *flamesuit for that phone* lol
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All I did was put a stock recovery on it, put it in the box, and bring it back to the store. (I sure didn't relock it first, since it would still say tampered, and then if they rejected it, I'd have a phone that both said "tampered" *and* was locked. ****ty situation!)
Usually I would feel bad about bringing a phone back to the store that said "tampered", or otherwise that I had modified in such a way that they couldn't do their normal reconditioning process on it. In this case, they screwed me; it's on them.
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Well you weren't really "duped" per say. Its not like Verizon's like "Hey come check out the HTC One!!! Its boot loader unlocked!!!"
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No, but they did say "Come check out the HTC One" -- not, "the HTC One Minus", or "the HTC One, Almost", or "the HTC One-like". Different people look for different features; again, think about what it would be if the Verizon HTC One was made out of polycarb, instead of aluminum. I don't care, as long as the fit and finish is still as good, but I can imagine that someone out there would -- and it wouldn't be an HTC One.
You make a good point that I should clarify, though. They don't have to explicitly advertise something -- the important bit is what a reasonable person would be lead to believe.
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All I did was put a stock recovery on it, put it in the box, and bring it back to the store. (I sure didn't relock it first, since it would still say tampered, and then if they rejected it, I'd have a phone that both said "tampered" *and* was locked. ****ty situation!)
Usually I would feel bad about bringing a phone back to the store that said "tampered", or otherwise that I had modified in such a way that they couldn't do their normal reconditioning process on it. In this case, they screwed me; it's on them.
No, but they did say "Come check out the HTC One" -- not, "the HTC One Minus", or "the HTC One, Almost", or "the HTC One-like". Different people look for different features; again, think about what it would be if the Verizon HTC One was made out of polycarb, instead of aluminum. I don't care, as long as the fit and finish is still as good, but I can imagine that someone out there would -- and it wouldn't be an HTC One.
You make a good point that I should clarify, though. They don't have to explicitly advertise something -- the important bit is what a reasonable person would be lead to believe.
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Yes but an unlocked bootloader is not a feature and is definitely not promised. Its like someone saying that vzw One is not the same because of the logos on the back. Tbh I don't think you should've gotten a discounted restocking fee because of the bootloader. I think the fee is bs to begin with but this does not count as legitimate reason. You say a reasonable person would be lead to believe but that's basically assuming and making inferences with data going against your claims. Have any Verizon devices been unlockable in the past? Very few with less and less with the passing time. Not trying to flame you I just don't like people complaining about buying a locked device with expectations higher than they should be lol
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Yes but an unlocked bootloader is not a feature and is definitely not promised. Its like someone saying that vzw One is not the same because of the logos on the back. Tbh I don't think you should've gotten a discounted restocking fee because of the bootloader. I think the fee is bs to begin with but this does not count as legitimate reason. You say a reasonable person would be lead to believe but that's basically assuming and making inferences with data going against your claims. Have any Verizon devices been unlockable in the past? Very few with less and less with the passing time. Not trying to flame you I just don't like people complaining about buying a locked device with expectations higher than they should be lol
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Good points.
I'd argue that it *is* a real feature -- it's something that you care about, and that I care about, and that most of us care about, to be sure! Being able to control and verify the software running on my device is very valuable to me.
This is not just a hypothetical -- I *did* buy the device because when I bought it, it was unlockable. I checked XDA, and it was unlockable on HTCDev; there exist other Verizon devices (like my Thunderbolt!) that are unlockable on HTCDev, and my current phone -- the Galaxy Nexus -- is also an unlockable device. So it's not unheardof to have an unlockable Verizon phone, though I will grant you that it is getting more rare with time.
I don't think I would have complained if it were not unlockable on day 1. Everybody checks before they buy; I think your argument was that "if you don't check, you're not a reasonable person" -- and that sure is true. What idiot *doesn't* go on XDA first before they buy a phone? The thing that got me is that I bought it with the ultimately reasonable expectation that it'd stay an unlockable device. Even though my device was unlocked, an unlocked device without a community is basically as good as a locked device.
So you're totally right. If I had bought a locked device, and expected it to be unlockable, then I'd be an idiot. But for those of you who got screwed on day 1 -- or bought the device with the reasonable expectation that it'd be unlockable, and then it wasn't -- you probably have a real case.
Whistle whistle whistle...
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Good points.
I'd argue that it *is* a real feature -- it's something that you care about, and that I care about, and that most of us care about, to be sure! Being able to control and verify the software running on my device is very valuable to me.
This is not just a hypothetical -- I *did* buy the device because when I bought it, it was unlockable. I checked XDA, and it was unlockable on HTCDev; there exist other Verizon devices (like my Thunderbolt!) that are unlockable on HTCDev, and my current phone -- the Galaxy Nexus -- is also an unlockable device. So it's not unheardof to have an unlockable Verizon phone, though I will grant you that it is getting more rare with time.
I don't think I would have complained if it were not unlockable on day 1. Everybody checks before they buy; I think your argument was that "if you don't check, you're not a reasonable person" -- and that sure is true. What idiot *doesn't* go on XDA first before they buy a phone? The thing that got me is that I bought it with the ultimately reasonable expectation that it'd stay an unlockable device. Even though my device was unlocked, an unlocked device without a community is basically as good as a locked device.
So you're totally right. If I had bought a locked device, and expected it to be unlockable, then I'd be an idiot. But for those of you who got screwed on day 1 -- or bought the device with the reasonable expectation that it'd be unlockable, and then it wasn't -- you probably have a real case.
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I agree almost 100% however, I still wouldn't consider an unlockable bootloader as a "feature". It was pretty dumb vzw locking it up day 1, but once again, that happened with the Rezound, inc 4g lte and the Droid DNA iirc. They all were unlockable for a short amount of time before Verizon pulled the plug. Its just a matter of time before either:
A) HTC finds it in their hearts to reopen htcdev for vzw skus (highly unlikey)
B) some genius finds an exploit.
The unlocking of the bootloader is very important to me but I've learned to have VERY low expectations with anything verizon gets their hands on haha
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I agree almost 100% however, I still wouldn't consider an unlockable bootloader as a "feature". It was pretty dumb vzw locking it up day 1, but once again, that happened with the Rezound, inc 4g lte and the Droid DNA iirc. They all were unlockable for a short amount of time before Verizon pulled the plug. Its just a matter of time before either:
A) HTC finds it in their hearts to reopen htcdev for vzw skus (highly unlikey)
B) some genius finds an exploit.
The unlocking of the bootloader is very important to me but I've learned to have VERY low expectations with anything verizon gets their hands on haha
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#blameant
At what point did they promise "you'd own the software" or an unlocked bootloader... I know I'm going to get a lot of **** for this but seriously get off your high-horse and stop trying to manipulate the system. When you get screwed over that's one thing. Nowhere does it say that you can root, rom, or unlock a device. It's assumed risk...
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Good points.
I'd argue that it *is* a real feature -- it's something that you care about, and that I care about, and that most of us care about, to be sure! Being able to control and verify the software running on my device is very valuable to me.
This is not just a hypothetical -- I *did* buy the device because when I bought it, it was unlockable. I checked XDA, and it was unlockable on HTCDev; there exist other Verizon devices (like my Thunderbolt!) that are unlockable on HTCDev, and my current phone -- the Galaxy Nexus -- is also an unlockable device. So it's not unheardof to have an unlockable Verizon phone, though I will grant you that it is getting more rare with time.
I don't think I would have complained if it were not unlockable on day 1. Everybody checks before they buy; I think your argument was that "if you don't check, you're not a reasonable person" -- and that sure is true. What idiot *doesn't* go on XDA first before they buy a phone? The thing that got me is that I bought it with the ultimately reasonable expectation that it'd stay an unlockable device. Even though my device was unlocked, an unlocked device without a community is basically as good as a locked device.
So you're totally right. If I had bought a locked device, and expected it to be unlockable, then I'd be an idiot. But for those of you who got screwed on day 1 -- or bought the device with the reasonable expectation that it'd be unlockable, and then it wasn't -- you probably have a real case.
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so based on you "PERSONAL' preferences you are mad cause they didn't meet them. You knew there was a risk of this... If not you seriously need to rethink what to expect. Saying that I could argue that fact that I wish my phone could kill people cause it's important to me...
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I agree almost 100% however, I still wouldn't consider an unlockable bootloader as a "feature". It was pretty dumb vzw locking it up day 1, but once again, that happened with the Rezound, inc 4g lte and the Droid DNA iirc. They all were unlockable for a short amount of time before Verizon pulled the plug. Its just a matter of time before either:
A) HTC finds it in their hearts to reopen htcdev for vzw skus (highly unlikey)
B) some genius finds an exploit.
The unlocking of the bootloader is very important to me but I've learned to have VERY low expectations with anything verizon gets their hands on haha
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This post right here is 100% accurate. And obviously someone who understands the truth behind this.
A "reasonable" person knows that Verizon loves to lock their boot loaders up tight.
You got lucky to get the fee waived or partially waived. Nobody should expect to get theirs waived for this reason.
I'm keeping my One. I have faith in our devs and know that I'll soon be able to unlock.
Sent from my HTC One.
Bottom line is that in retail you can get what you want if you are willing to be their fly in the ointment (or PITA). As illustrated by the OP, you can be a nuisance, even without being rude, and get your way.
I personally would pay the restocking fee instead of dealing with the hastle of haggling over it. Not worth my time and stress. But hats off to those that can stick to their guns and get a refund. I just hope I'm not behind you in line cause we'll be here forever
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Wow, you got duped. I've never paid restocking. And they've never had to get permission from corporate to do it. The manager on site can waive your restocking fee and if they feel they will lose business if they don't waive it, they will.
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