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[Q] [POLL] Would you *PAY* HTC to unlock your G2's NAND?

It suddenly occurred to me that the main reason HTC has locked our handsets is that they don't want to deal with bogus warranty claims and the labor costs thereof. You unlock your G2's NAND, you fry your handset by overclocking too high or doing something else stupid to brick it, and then say "HURR DURR I DUNNO HOW IT GOT THAT WAY." Then they have to expend resources to determine whether or not you screwed it up.
So, what if we paid them in advance for that labor? What if we sent in our handset to have it factory un-write-protected for, say, $20-$50? Would you agree to this kind of deal?

Hell no.
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Hell no all phones that I pay full price for should come completely unlocked. Let's face it these new phones are full blown computers these days. You would expect to buy a computer and have to pay extra for the right to add or delete software would you? The only way I would expect this would be if you got special pricing with a contract stateing that you are not allowed to do such things.
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shortlived said:
Hell no all phones that I pay full price for should come completely unlocked. Let's face it these new phones are full blown computers these days. You would expect to buy a computer and have to pay extra for the right to add or delete software would you? The only way I would expect this would be if you got special pricing with a contract stateing that you are not allowed to do such things.
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"Should" and "will" are two very different things. HTC incurs much more risk with a handset than Toshiba or Dell do with a computer -- for one thing, you can't "brick" a computer. The recovery process with a computer is significantly more standardized and easy to perform than on a smartphone. Computers don't include cellular hardware that is a jealously guarded secret from the user, that has to be accessed with binary blob drivers, that can become irreversibly software-busted if you screw up a software update.
Should there be a standardized cell phone recovery/imaging system so that it's not possible to brick ANY cell phone that uses it? Absolutely. Go develop it. No manufacturer will use it. It's not in their financial interests to do so.
If, however, enough people were to make it clear to a company like HTC that we as hobbyists were willing to incur risk and sign away our right to demand that HTC fix our mistakes... something might start to get through the cracks.
This of course ignores the fact that manufacturers and carriers like to be able to put crapware on our phones that we can't remove... but it's a start.

I think it's a fair question because so many people tool around, brick their phones and try to get a free replacement somehow. So, I'm not mad at these companies for locking their stuff down. I would not pay extra, but I would jump ship to any company that offers an unlocked phone. I think that would send the best message.
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no i wouldnt pay but i would allow them to black list my imei in trade for them unlocking the nand.
Now for the people that dont understand what im saying. I am saying that HTC should make a software for unlocking the nand but before it unlocks it reads your imei and sends it to them so they know who unlocked and who didnt

I already paid them right? Why would I have to do it again. Maybe it should be the other way around and you can buy a nand locked phone for extra $$. But let say for a lower cost than insurance?
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Yes I agree however I blame the people who don't read instructions and try to turn in they're phone. Just pay for insurance and pay the full deductable or don't try changing anything. But that's just a pipe dream. Too many people just don't read enough before doing stuff.
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Would you pay nike money so you could were your shoes after you bought them from the mall. Why would I pay you to give me acsess to my own phone it should come that way

xile6 said:
no i wouldnt pay but i would allow them to black list my imei in trade for them unlocking the nand.
Now for the people that dont understand what im saying. I am saying that HTC should make a software for unlocking the nand but before it unlocks it reads your imei and sends it to them so they know who unlocked and who didnt
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I would rather have this as well. I already paid for the phone. It is mine. If they are worried about me making bogus warranty claims, then I should be able to opt-out and get full access to my device in return.

The imei number idea I kind of like. Instead of 'blacklisting', let me sign a release of liability where I register my serial number and by doing so waiver any liability from that point on
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hell no, we won't go! Hell no, we won't go!! Hell no, we won't go!!! Hell no, we won't go!!!!

So when your phone legitimately fails due to a hardware issue you can pay full price for a new one? Why would anyone opt for this? That's not even legally feasible. It would violate lemon laws all over the place.

I would be willing to up to $40 so long as there were guaranteed to be tons of ROMS, themes, recovery options, etc... I want my G1 development back!
Only because I'm inpatient however, and sick of waiting for full root and custom recovery. Basically anyone who pledged in the fun money for dev's thread would be saying yes.

gravis86 said:
I would rather have this as well. I already paid for the phone. It is mine. If they are worried about me making bogus warranty claims, then I should be able to opt-out and get full access to my device in return.
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That is precisely what we do when we agree to "root/unlock" our phones. Essentially voiding our warranty, people who do it accept and understand the risks. HTC, make a legal agreement and we'll all accept it in return you let us Nand unlock!!!
Thanks.
*HOPE A HTC REPRESENTATIVE READS THIS**

Ya, if I didn't pay full price for the phone. Nand locked=discounted price, nand unlocked=full price-- warranty includes movable parts only
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shortlived said:
Hell no all phones that I pay full price for should come completely unlocked. Let's face it these new phones are full blown computers these days. You would expect to buy a computer and have to pay extra for the right to add or delete software would you? The only way I would expect this would be if you got special pricing with a contract stateing that you are not allowed to do such things.
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http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/18/intel-wants-to-charge-50-to-unlock-stuff-your-cpu-can-already-d/
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I forgot to add, this is completely ridiculous.. I want my G2 fully unlocked asap, including SIM unlocked.

My Bounty is already up. If HTC wants to take it to unlock our phones. They can

Simunlock i can do for you heheh
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I'd bet fewer than 10% of users root their phones, figure a 10% brick rate among those people and that's 1%. Now ask yourself what percentage of people phisically break their phones? Having said that, one thing is controllable the other isn't .
BTW....HELL NO!!!

$612.00 bill for cancelling sprint does not want to work with me

Sprint does not want to work a plan to pay easily monthly or they will charge me fees . you know for great costumer service I myust say they suck big time. any suggestions

majmuni said:
Sprint does not want to work a plan to pay easily monthly or they will charge me fees . you know for great costumer service I myust say they suck big time. any suggestions
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Ummm....pay the fees and deal with it? You cancelled the contract, you have to pay the fees.
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Better yet...sell the phones that you kept and pay your fees. The only reason your bill is that high is because you have atleast 2 smart phones.

tgruendler said:
Ummm....pay the fees and deal with it? You cancelled the contract, you have to pay the fees.
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Better yet...sell the phones that you kept and pay your fees. The only reason your bill is that high is because you have atleast 2 smart phones.
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you work for sprint is that it sprint service sucks buddy and you will see one day when you need your phone the most

Why would you expect them to work with you? You broke the contract, you KNEW there were fees attached to breaking the contract.
There's dozens of ways to get out of the contract without paying a dime, but you chose the FEE route and you expect them to work with you?
You owe them $, they want their $, what else is there? If you want to fight with them, easier to take it to small claims court, which, you will probably still lose and have court fees at the same time.
Your alternative is "don't pay", and you'll screw up your credit after it goes to collections and you probably won't have to worry about cell phone bills any longer because most other providers won't touch you after they see you defaulted on another carrier.

majmuni said:
Sprint does not want to work a plan to pay easily monthly or they will charge me fees . you know for great costumer service I myust say they suck big time. any suggestions
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Yeah here's a suggestion:
Learn to read and write beyond a sixth grade reading level. If you could read and comprehend words clearly typed out on that piece of paper commonly referred to as a contract and/or Terms of Service that you got when you signed up for your service, you would come to understand that if you decided to cancel your contract you would owe sprint an early termination fee for up to $350 per phone, plus any outstanding balance tied to your account.
If you could read the posting rules for the general section of the Samsung Epic 4g Touch forum, you would understand that this isn't the place to talk about contract issues, sprint customer services issues, or billing issues. Nobody cares. Take it someplace else.
Also, learn to articulate, whether you post on this forum or any other. Watch me. I am virtually rolling my eyes at your atrocious spelling and grammar.
Mods, close this thread please.

I can smell the smoke of the flame war that will come from this.....
IBTL.edu
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I need a picture for in before lock threads ha. So in before lock
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I am seeing the flames of war.
http://Inbeforethelock.com :what:

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Don't be stupid. Keep the contract open, do some research and you'll find out how to get out of your contract with no ETF. Otherwise, buck up and pay because it is a legally binding contact you signed.

thanx you guys wow some of you are really rude way to go. you guys make someone feel really good after posting something in here. i hope you get the insults that you given me back one day and i hope its really soon. and feel the same way i feel. thanx a lot.

majmuni said:
you work for sprint is that it sprint service sucks buddy and you will see one day when you need your phone the most
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Don't work for Sprint, sorry.
I have had Sprint for over 10 years in the St. Louis area and never had any issues at all with them. I am sorry that you had a bad experience with them and I wish you the best of luck with another carrier but once again, you signed the contract and then cancelled. You cancelled for a reason (not sure what, you didn't enlighten us) but you still cancelled. If Sprint wasn't holding up their end of the bargain, you could have called numerous times complaining and opening tickets with them and probably could have gotten out of your contract ETF free, but from what I am suspecting, you didn't make the effort to do this so you are stuck.
Once again, good luck with whatever carrier you go with and have fun paying those ETFs.
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I almost forgot.... http://www.inbeforethelock.xxx

Compusmurf said:
Why would you expect them to work with you? You broke the contract, you KNEW there were fees attached to breaking the contract.
There's dozens of ways to get out of the contract without paying a dime, but you chose the FEE route and you expect them to work with you?
You owe them $, they want their $, what else is there? If you want to fight with them, easier to take it to small claims court, which, you will probably still lose and have court fees at the same time.
Your alternative is "don't pay", and you'll screw up your credit after it goes to collections and you probably won't have to worry about cell phone bills any longer because most other providers won't touch you after they see you defaulted on another carrier.
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That's a lie i left Sprint with a etf and i was approved for Verizon 5 lines no deposit ..
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Oh, hello there. Had to pop my head in this one. OP, sorry it isn't working out in your favor, but you're not going to get any help here. Call them and talk, call them again, and again, until they come up with something for you if you want. Posting here isn't going to do anything but cause a war. Please don't start another one. And P.S. you knew the terms of the contract when you signed. :/

[Q] Will Verizon Galaxy Note 2 have a locked bootloader?

I've been long time iOS dev/user but I'm considering jumping ship and getting the Note 2. I'm a Verizon user though and I'm not really interested in switching carriers right now. My concern is that since I see that the S3 from Verizon had a locked bootloader, is it likely that the Note 2 will as well? I'm sure no one knows, because it's not been released yet, but maybe...just maybe...some nice Verizon tester might spill the beans before release :fingers-crossed:

I'm no dev but I have a vzw gs3 that shipped with a locked bootloader and thanks to an African Canadian sock monkey its unlocked now! with as popular as the note was and the fact that it'll finally be coming to big red I would imagine another sock monkey would grace us *fingers crossed*
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If it comes locked, I have confidence that someone at XDA will get it unlocked or work around it.

mcsenerd said:
I've been long time iOS dev/user but I'm considering jumping ship and getting the Note 2. I'm a Verizon user though and I'm not really interested in switching carriers right now. My concern is that since I see that the S3 from Verizon had a locked bootloader, is it likely that the Note 2 will as well? I'm sure no one knows, because it's not been released yet, but maybe...just maybe...some nice Verizon tester might spill the beans before release :fingers-crossed:
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verizon likes to use the locked bootloader, i dont think they do this just to be difficult, i think it more effectively separates the people who want to try stuff but have zero clue what they are doing from ruining their phone (sometimes) by hozing a rom load.
i am no expert, but i anyone can google a rom, and anyone can load cwm or twrp (usually) and root a phone... by adding an extra step before you can load roms it forces people to either a: read long post with step by step instructions to do it properely, or dl a tool to do it for them, at which point they will also usually find tools and instructions not to hose their phone when loading roms...
is it annoying? sure... but its not the end of the world...

With Verizon, they don't really want you to own your phone. They want to make it difficult to remove all the crap they load onto it so that they can make extra money from selling devices. That's why they fought so hard against selling the Galaxy Nexus and pushed everyone to the Droid Razr.

lnxbz said:
With Verizon, they don't really want you to own your phone. They want to make it difficult to remove all the crap they load onto it so that they can make extra money from selling devices. That's why they fought so hard against selling the Galaxy Nexus and pushed everyone to the Droid Razr.
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Didn't Verizon lost a case against a customer on installing wifi ethering app? That was a good day for consumers.

yes the bootloader will be locked
http://briefmobile.com/exclusive-verizon-samsung-galaxy-note-2-bootloader-locked

littleguevara said:
yes the bootloader will be locked
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That's disappointing even if not entirely unexpected. I'm sure that it will be worked around in due time, but I do wish it wasn't an unnecessary roadblock there in the first place. Although, I will say that Apple's been pretty successful in squashing the jailbreakers on the A5 and up devices thus far. Done right...it's not always so easy to break through against crap like this.

someone0 said:
Didn't Verizon lost a case against a customer on installing wifi ethering app? That was a good day for consumers.
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I know that the FCC ruled that blocking tethering on the LTE bands is a violation of the requirements for them. Not sure how likely that will stop Verizon though.

ronaldheld said:
If it comes locked, I have confidence that someone at XDA will get it unlocked or work around it.
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this is the wrong way around it IMHO. vote with your money: don't buy, do switch carriers.
sometimes i wish hackers stopped hacking locked bootloaders and iphones. people should start taking responsibility for their purchase decisions. awww u bought that locked phone?? well, throw it out the window when u r finished paying for it and next time around try choosing better! if people stopped buying they would stop locking.

Lanchon said:
this is the wrong way around it IMHO. vote with your money: don't buy, do switch carriers.
sometimes i wish hackers stopped hacking locked bootloaders and iphones. people should start taking responsibility for their purchase decisions. awww u bought that locked phone?? well, throw it out the window when u r finished paying for it and next time around try choosing better! if people stopped buying they would stop locking.
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Well, if you buy something you should own it, right. At least that's the idea. To me, at least locking the bootloader on open platform is wrong. If the carrier want to lock it, do it on iPhone and Windows phone. But I do agree that you should vote with your money AND VOICE. Let other people know about it too. Company like Verizon not gonna change if you aren't being vocal about it. But seriously, don't hope that XDA will just can unlock anything. If you go look for Motorola Photon 4G and you unlock the bootloader, you will break 4G. It have been out for over a year now and have still have no complete unlock.

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Well, if you buy something you should own it, right. At least that's the idea. To me, at least locking the bootloader on open platform is wrong. If the carrier want to lock it, do it on iPhone and Windows phone. But I do agree that you should vote with your money AND VOICE. Let other people know about it too. Company like Verizon not gonna change if you aren't being vocal about it. But seriously, don't hope that XDA will just can unlock anything. If you go look for Motorola Photon 4G and you unlock the bootloader, you will break 4G. It have been out for over a year now and have still have no complete unlock.
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That's the thing. Most people buy it under contract, and the court ruling in 1998 treats this subsidization like a loan. You don't own the device until the contractual agreement is met whether by termination fee or by completing the contract. They also said there has to be a diminishing return on the termination fee which we have now on all carriers.

Sometimes theres not much choice, if i want the note 2 and don't want to be stuck on 2g or no service than I HAVE to pick verizon or buy a new home somewhere else... Ill pick verizon and xda to unlock instead of moving my family
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You don't have to choose Verizon. You can just not have service which affects Verizon's bottom line which in turn affects their choices. This will affect all carriers. Make them work harder for your money.

By percentage those of use who will "strike" until we get an unlocked bootloader are too small economically to make a difference, IMO.

Which is why there are so few choices to begin with for decent service, in almost every city you have choices, out in the boonies we just don't have providers.
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Trading in S20 ultra but still paying on it.

Can I upgrade through Samsung if its halfway paid off from a carrier?

no

I don't see why not. As long as you continue to pay whatever you owe it should be fine.

JAMRZ69 said:
Can I upgrade through Samsung if its halfway paid off from a carrier?
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You can sell your phone as long as you keep paying the bill. Wether Samsung allow you to trade it in is another matter though. All you can do is fill out the trade in form on the website to see.
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Yeah I'm afraid if I send it to Samsung and everything else is fine condition wise that the fact I'm still paying on it to At&t that it will flag it on Samsungs end and I really don't want that.

if phone not paid off imei would likely be flagged. Don't think trade in would process correctly however you can TRY, Samsung would just send you back the phone tho to keep paying off i think if you are able to submit it online even

JAMRZ69 said:
Yeah I'm afraid if I send it to Samsung and everything else is fine condition wise that the fact I'm still paying on it to At&t that it will flag it on Samsungs end and I really don't want that.
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As Jason says above, the IMEI might get flagged. Fill in the form on the website and check though. It will ask for the IMEI number and if it goes through ok everything should be fine I guess.
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JAMRZ69 said:
Yeah I'm afraid if I send it to Samsung and everything else is fine condition wise that the fact I'm still paying on it to At&t that it will flag it on Samsungs end and I really don't want that.
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You can trade in a carrier locked phone to Samsung. I traded in a carrier iphone, that was only half paid off, for the S10 and didn't have any problems.
People telling you that you can't are just spouting words out the wrong end of their body.

javitogomezzzz said:
I don't see why not. As long as you continue to pay whatever you owe it should be fine.
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samsung doesnt accept devices that are being financed.. or at least its in the fine print but dont think they check it really..
either way ull still need to pay it off.. ull owe on the new phone and the old one.. if u dont tell ur carrier u can prolly continue paying monthly until its paid off but if for w.e reason they catch on or u cancel the agreement ull be billed whatever is remaining in one lump sum

Hedrush said:
You can sell your phone as long as you keep paying the bill. Wether Samsung allow you to trade it in is another matter though. All you can do is fill out the trade in form on the website to see.
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thats not good advice in my opinion lol.. selling a phone that isnt paid yet can cause problems.. if for example he decides hes not gonna pay it then it can b blacklisted and new owner will b screwed lol
plus they cant get it unlocked until its paid off unless they put out some $$$ for a third party service

jasons1004 said:
if phone not paid off imei would likely be flagged. Don't think trade in would process correctly however you can TRY, Samsung would just send you back the phone tho to keep paying off i think if you are able to submit it online even
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and of course if this happens any trade in credit would be reversed and hed end up paying full price which i assume defeats the purpose of trading it in to begin with lol

708408 said:
You can trade in a carrier locked phone to Samsung. I traded in a carrier iphone, that was only half paid off, for the S10 and didn't have any problems.
People telling you that you can't are just spouting words out the wrong end of their body.
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bcuz samsung probably only checks if its blacklisted or not and to identify device to make sure it belong to the device the customer is claiming..
chances r itll go through and nothing will happen on samsungs end.. carrier prolly dont care either as lomg as u pay it off eventually.. if they do for some reason blacklist it then it wouldnt matter since hed already have traded it in and no longer has it to use it anyway

elliwigy said:
bcuz samsung probably only checks if its blacklisted or not and to identify device to make sure it belong to the device the customer is claiming..
chances r itll go through and nothing will happen on samsungs end.. carrier prolly dont care either as lomg as u pay it off eventually.. if they do for some reason blacklist it then it wouldnt matter since hed already have traded it in and no longer has it to use it anyway
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I checked the IMEI on Samsungs site and It came up clean so I'm pretty sure trading it in will be ok,I'm gonna pay it off monthly with my plan don't really owe that much on it.just didn't want to lump sum it on the phone.

elliwigy said:
thats not good advice in my opinion lol.. selling a phone that isnt paid yet can cause problems.. if for example he decides hes not gonna pay it then it can b blacklisted and new owner will b screwed lol
plus they cant get it unlocked until its paid off unless they put out some $$$ for a third party service
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How's it not good advice? It's his phone, he owns it and can do with it as he pleases. Thousands of people upgrade their contract phones but like to keep the phone they already have and sell the new one and continue to pay their contract. It's not illegal.
As for him screwing people over. Well that's on him and how honest he is. Also, anyone who buys a phone off someone wether it is locked to a network or not takes the chance that that person is legit, and for example the phone is not stolen and won't be IMEI locked by the carrier.
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JAMRZ69 said:
I checked the IMEI on Samsungs site and It came up clean so I'm pretty sure trading it in will be ok,I'm gonna pay it off monthly with my plan don't really owe that much on it.just didn't want to lump sum it on the phone.
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Yeah don't listen to him dude. You're obviously a legit person who isn't going out to rip someone off.
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Hedrush said:
How's it not good advice? It's his phone, he owns it and can do with it as he pleases. Thousands of people upgrade their contract phones but like to keep the phone they already have and sell the new one and continue to pay their contract. It's not illegal.
As for him screwing people over. Well that's on him and how honest he is. Also, anyone who buys a phone off someone wether it is locked to a network or not takes the chance that that person is legit, and for example the phone is not stolen and won't be IMEI locked by the carrier.
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No I always pay my phones off and usually order unlocked from Samsung but I switched to AT&T recently and got the phone from them when I added lines so I have like 5 lines I'm paying on plus At&t credits the price of your phone monthly instead of an allout upfront credit.

elliwigy said:
thats not good advice in my opinion lol.. selling a phone that isnt paid yet can cause problems.. if for example he decides hes not gonna pay it then it can b blacklisted and new owner will b screwed lol
plus they cant get it unlocked until its paid off unless they put out some $$$ for a third party service
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Selling the phone, in and if itself, doesn't cause problems. Not paying for it can and will cause problems.
I don't think anyone should tell someone not to sell the phone, I don't think anyone should buy phones that aren't paid off.

Hedrush said:
How's it not good advice? It's his phone, he owns it and can do with it as he pleases. Thousands of people upgrade their contract phones but like to keep the phone they already have and sell the new one and continue to pay their contract. It's not illegal.
As for him screwing people over. Well that's on him and how honest he is. Also, anyone who buys a phone off someone wether it is locked to a network or not takes the chance that that person is legit, and for example the phone is not stolen and won't be IMEI locked by the carrier.
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Yeah don't listen to him dude. You're obviously a legit person who isn't going out to rip someone off.
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You are incorrect.. the device isn't his until its fully paid off. Until then it is still owned by the carrier. He signed the agreement when he got the phone which surely broke it all down.
I never claimed he was doing anything illegal. I was simply saying recommending he sell a phone not paid off that is still owned by the carrier is unethical. People do this all the time and unexpecting people buy these phones and it up getting screwed for various reasons such as insurance fraud, unpaid leases, blacklisted and more.
im not saying he is bad or good bcuz i dont know him and ultimately he can do what he wants. Either wayhe will have to pay the phone off regardless.

elliwigy said:
You are incorrect.. the device isn't his until its fully paid off. Until then it is still owned by the carrier. He signed the agreement when he got the phone which surely broke it all down.
I never claimed he was doing anything illegal. I was simply saying recommending he sell a phone not paid off that is still owned by the carrier is unethical. People do this all the time and unexpecting people buy these phones and it up getting screwed for various reasons such as insurance fraud, unpaid leases, blacklisted and more.
im not saying he is bad or good bcuz i dont know him and ultimately he can do what he wants. Either wayhe will have to pay the phone off regardless.
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You are incorrect. The phone is yours to do with as you please. The carrier extends you a line of unsecured credit meaning they can't repossess the phone.
Look through your own agreement and you will see that the carrier does not place a lien on your phone. The provider retracts their right to repossess it and grants you legal ownership of it.
The phone will remain locked to, in his case, AT&T until paid off though at which point it can then be unlocked.
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Hedrush said:
You are incorrect. The phone is yours to do with as you please. The carrier extends you a line of unsecured credit meaning they can't repossess the phone.
Look through your own agreement and you will see that the carrier does not place a lien on your phone. The provider retracts their right to repossess it and grants you legal ownership of it.
The phone will remain locked to, in his case, AT&T until paid off though at which point it can then be unlocked.
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you are missing the point entirely.. its bad business to sell a phone that is not paid off yet cuz it can still be blacklisted screwing over the potential buyer.
regardless, it depends on the carrier and what the agreement is. Some use leases and some use installment billings.. My contracts with Sprint are very clear that it remains their propert until fully paid off. One can even lease the device indefinitely even.
I suppose if hes up front and tells the buyer its not paid off yet then sure but I dont know many that would knowingly purchase it in this case unless theres a significant discount.
Try telling someone who buys a phone that gets blacklisted due to an unpaid balance that you own the device and its your property but cant remove it from the blacklist cuz its not paid off lol.. but hey, if thats the type of businessman you are then so be it. At least I know better so I wouldnt fall imto that trap to begin with lol. Thats like making payments on a car then selling it before paying it off then it gets impounded from new owner lol.. its just wrong and unethical.

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you are missing the point entirely.. its bad business to sell a phone that is not paid off yet cuz it can still be blacklisted screwing over the potential buyer.
regardless, it depends on the carrier and what the agreement is. Some use leases and some use installment billings.. My contracts with Sprint are very clear that it remains their propert until fully paid off. One can even lease the device indefinitely even.
I suppose if hes up front and tells the buyer its not paid off yet then sure but I dont know many that would knowingly purchase it in this case unless theres a significant discount.
Try telling someone who buys a phone that gets blacklisted due to an unpaid balance that you own the device and its your property but cant remove it from the blacklist cuz its not paid off lol.. but hey, if thats the type of businessman you are then so be it. At least I know better so I wouldnt fall imto that trap to begin with lol. Thats like making payments on a car then selling it before paying it off then it gets impounded from new owner lol.. its just wrong and unethical.
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I'm missing the point? My point is that the phone is the property of the person who has taken out the contract to do with as they please, which is correct. I don't understand what you don't get about that. It's the same with anything really bar a car or a house where the lender can reposses them if payments aren't made.
If you buy a TV for example and take it out over 24 months but don't keep up the payments the lender isn't going to pop round and repossess the TV. They take you to court for the outstanding balance plus interest.
As for it being bad business, it's not bad business on the seller, it's bad business on the buyer buying a second hand phone off eBay or wherever. You take a risk as you don't know the history of the device, wether the phone is stolen or not and it could be blocked at any point.
We are going to need to agree to disagree on this.
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Can someone unlock my Note 10+?

It's currently on my Sprint plan. I want to be able to use it on other providers as well.

call them and find out what can be done?

raul6 said:
call them and find out what can be done?
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I'm not paid off for another 7 months so they won't.

Pay them off or wait... that's the agreement.

blackhawk said:
Pay them off or wait... that's the agreement.
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That's not how XDA does things, that's no fun. Plus I'm a single parent who lost his job due to the pandemic so I don't have just $700 to throw down.

XDA doesn't condone theft of services as best I can tell.
Even if you did unlock it the carrier could still blacklist it.
Perhaps you could refinance it through your current carrier.
Talk to their retention dept.

There's absolutely NO possible way to perpetrate "theft of service" with a wireless carrier so don't go there. It's very simple. If you don't pay your bill what happens? They disconnect your service until you pay your bill. Therefore they don't allow people to steal service from them. Impossible. As for the devices bought on flex lease, etc. They technically belong to the carrier until you complete the lease and pay the phone off. If you don't pay off the device what happens? They simply blacklist the IMEID and report your delinquent account to the credit beureas and if enough time goes by they will sell your delinquent account to third party collections companies. 5he cost of phones don't warrant the cost of court filing and attorney fees in order to try to physically reclaim devices from account holders who went into collections due to non-payment. No need to preach to people espif you don't know what you're talking about.
OP there are websites out there that can SIM unlock your Samsung for a fee. If you SIM unlock the phone and activate it BEFORE your Sprint account were to go to collections, it will continue to work on another carrier. Im not assuming you have no intentions of paying your bill I'm just letting you know. No matter what, its not theft of service. It could only be theft of property in the eyes of the law. But that never happens.

Wrong terminology on my part, my bad, but your plan tx_dbs_tx doesn't sound that great.
Be best to find a way to minimize the damage to the OP's credit.
https://cashmoneylife.com/cancel-your-cell-phone-contract-without-paying-fees/
Again I would talk to the retaintion dept at Sprint. Most carriers have them. Their sole purpose is to retain customers.

Nickdroid86 said:
That's not how XDA does things, that's no fun. Plus I'm a single parent who lost his job due to the pandemic so I don't have just $700 to throw down.
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Wrong, XDA is not about circumventing legal stuff, and, any way you see it, a debt is a debt, you have to pay, no way around it, things we all use/buy, must be paid in full, you say you are a single parent, so, better try to be a reponsible one, one that pays his debts and doesn't look for ways to avoid being responsible

winol said:
Wrong, XDA is not about circumventing legal stuff, and, any way you see it, a debt is a debt, you have to pay, no way around it, things we all use/buy, must be paid in full, you say you are a single parent, so, better try to be a reponsible one, one that pays his debts and doesn't look for ways to avoid being responsible
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Nobody's talking about avoiding my debt here... I'm not getting rid of my Sprint account, especially while I'm working on my credit.

Paid unlock link removed!!
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Nickdroid86 said:
Nobody's talking about avoiding my debt here... I'm not getting rid of my Sprint account, especially while I'm working on my credit.
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What is your reason(s) to have it unlocked?
If you don't want coverage by Sprint the best solution be to get another carrier to take over the contract as per the link I posted.
Not sure how well that will work... exploring those options might yield a good outcome.
If you've really gotten behind and are paying off old debts with little or no emergency money... talk with a good bankruptcy lawyer. It's more complicated then it was 20 years ago but within 3 or so years you be debt free and be able to easily rebuild your credit.

blackhawk said:
What is your reason(s) to have it unlocked?
If you don't want coverage by Sprint the best solution be to get another carrier to take over the contract as per the link I posted.
Not sure how well that will work... exploring those options might yield a good outcome.
If you've really gotten behind and are paying off old debts with little or no emergency money... talk with a good bankruptcy lawyer. It's more complicated then it was 20 years ago but within 3 or so years you be debt free and be able to easily rebuild your credit.
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I live in the mountains, where I travel around here I'll only have the option to use one provider and not the other and vice versa in places.

Nickdroid86 said:
I live in the mountains, where I travel around here I'll only have the option to use one provider and not the other and vice versa in places.
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Explain that to the retainment team and see what they can do. The squeaky wheel gets the grease; keep calling and/or escalating your case until you get someone that helps you.
At times it's taken me 30+ calls to get things straight with corporation's.
Only persistent is omnipotent...
A signal booster/external antenna is another potential option for you if some signal is present.

Thread closed.
Paid unlocking services, or the discussion there of are not permitted on XDA as per XDA rule #11. Let us please refrain from further discussions such as these. Thank you.