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Hello Dear XDa'er
I bought myself the HTC one X and I wanted to ask if possible in the future would be S-OFF? I dare not htcdev on the way because of the warranty.
Thank you for your answers.
Ps: sorry for my bad English
FordSierra88 said:
Hello Dear XDa'er
I bought myself the HTC one X and I wanted to ask if possible in the future would be S-OFF? I dare not htcdev on the way because of the warranty.
Thank you for your answers.
Ps: sorry for my bad English
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Only time will tell
FordSierra88 said:
Hello Dear XDa'er
I bought myself the HTC one X and I wanted to ask if possible in the future would be S-OFF? I dare not htcdev on the way because of the warranty.
Thank you for your answers.
Ps: sorry for my bad English
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S-Off is not guaranteed to come at any time. It may do, but as far as I know Revolutionary has been stumped at the latest HBoots.
Also, illegitemate S-Offing is not going to rescue your warranty necessarily, and neither is using HTC-Dev going to totally break your warranty:
http://htcdev.com/bootloader/ said:
Please understand that you will not be able to return your device to the original state and going forward your device may not be held covered under the warranty for all claims resulting from the unlocking of the bootloader. HTC bears no responsibility if your device is no longer usable afterwards.
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Their point is that they won't repair under warranty anything that breaks as a result of unlocking the bootloader.
There isn't any hard-and-fast rule here, and people have reported different experiences, but it's better than nothing!
Sorry to ask this... i consider myself not a noob on android, rooting etc, but for some reason S-OFF has passed me by... what is S-OFF?
torespen said:
Sorry to ask this... i consider myself not a noob on android, rooting etc, but for some reason S-OFF has passed me by... what is S-OFF?
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S-Off is (in my understanding) essentially full control over all partitions (including CID which controls network lock etc.), radio partitions, etc.
HTC-Dev provides a semi S-Off bootloader state, allowing you to write to all system partitions EXCEPT the above (and possibly others that I've forgotten about).
The advantages of full S-Off are: able to carrier-unlock phone for free, able to update radio without flashing official HTC ROMs, able to revert to S-On fairly simply.
With HTC-Dev, although you can "re-lock" your bootloader, the phone reports as "re-locked" rather than "locked".
(I may be making all of this up but it is my understanding based on my research).
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Their point is that they won't repair under warranty anything that breaks as a result of unlocking the bootloader.
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That would mean that your warranty would remain identical, only bricked devices wouldn't be repaired. (If you limit yourself to installing roms, that is)
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That would mean that your warranty would remain identical, only bricked devices wouldn't be repaired. (If you limit yourself to installing roms, that is)
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Problem being if you read through their examples about overclocking etc and killing your cpu. It's very easy to say that some hardware has failed due to custom rom etc.
Now I have a nooby question too. I come from a desire which was prior to bootloader-gate (oh sigh, i did one of those). AFAIK our bootloader was unlocked from the factory so we could flash stuff straight up. S-OFF was pretty easy as well so we could do whatever we wanted pretty much
AFAIK, without unlocking bootloader, the best we can do is flash stock roms and attain root (once a stock bootloader method is available) but we can't get into custom roms/kernels without unlock? I'm pretty much at the point where I want to start tinkering with things... but just wonder if it's worth waiting, or if I should just go and htcdev unlock my phone now
I am a little wary of the warranty implications above, that is the only reason i hesitate.
M.
The S stands for Security
mattman83 said:
I am a little wary of the warranty implications above, that is the only reason i hesitate.
M.
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Me too
H-Cim said:
That would mean that your warranty would remain identical, only bricked devices wouldn't be repaired. (If you limit yourself to installing roms, that is)
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Well, possibly. As mentioned above, it's possible that the manufacturer could argue that, e.g. screen issue was due to overclock of CPU, overheating of glue holding screen resulting in the problem.
In reality I doubt that would happen, as (in the UK at least) under warranty it falls on the manufacturer to prove that the problem was due to a non-warranty problem. The CPU won't "remember" that it's been overclocked, and so with a factory reset I can't see how they could tell.
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Problem being if you read through their examples about overclocking etc and killing your cpu. It's very easy to say that some hardware has failed due to custom rom etc.
Now I have a nooby question too. I come from a desire which was prior to bootloader-gate (oh sigh, i did one of those). AFAIK our bootloader was unlocked from the factory so we could flash stuff straight up. S-OFF was pretty easy as well so we could do whatever we wanted pretty much
AFAIK, without unlocking bootloader, the best we can do is flash stock roms and attain root (once a stock bootloader method is available) but we can't get into custom roms/kernels without unlock? I'm pretty much at the point where I want to start tinkering with things... but just wonder if it's worth waiting, or if I should just go and htcdev unlock my phone now
I am a little wary of the warranty implications above, that is the only reason i hesitate.
M.
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I think since HTCDev started there has been far less S-On rooting, for two reasons. First of all, why bother? We can attain mostly-S-Off "legitimately" so why waste energy working out how to root S-On. Secondly, the lock-down of the OS has got better with every iteration, and, at least on recent phones, no hack has been discovered (again, there's less incentive to try due to HTCDev).
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The S stands for Security
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D'oh, meant to type that and forgot. Lol
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I think since HTCDev started there has been far less S-On rooting, for two reasons. First of all, why bother? We can attain mostly-S-Off "legitimately" so why waste energy working out how to root S-On. Secondly, the lock-down of the OS has got better with every iteration, and, at least on recent phones, no hack has been discovered (again, there's less incentive to try due to HTCDev).
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Point taken
So basically it's harder to do than ever and less incentive to do than ever. Solution... go do htcdev I actually signed up for the site a while reading the thread, just waiting for the (apparently very slow) confirmation email. No work tomorrow due to good friday so I suspect my phone might get some ARHD love
I think warranty laws in australia are similar to what you say. Using non-genuine ink in printer they can't void your entire warranty, only if they can prove the ink was the issue. Slightly different issue, it's not like you've just hacked your printer firmware to increase print speeds or something... but I get what you mean.
M.
Edit - signed up again on different email and got activation stuff immediately - silly. Noticed they need to update the unlock page though... first step "remove and reinsert the battery" heh
Edit 2 - all done
xmoo said:
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I thought it stood for 'Safety'
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Excellent explanation and discussion by qpop and mattman on S-off thing. All I needed to know as new HTC user.
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For those waiting for S-OFF by Revolutionary, it looks like you are very unlikely to get it. Baadnewz just asked in the #alpharev channel if the One would get S-OFF:
[19:46] <baadnewz> IEF you have any plans for ONE ? :B
[19:46] <baadnewz> (kick incoming)
[19:47] <burgd> To Krait or not To Krait
[19:56] <_anonymous> you got one bnz?
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[20:13] * baadnewz is now known as baad_away
[20:17] * zookii ([email protected]/zookii) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[20:20] * zookii ([email protected]/zookii) has joined #alpharev
[20:20] <@IEF> baad_away: One X is pretty unlikely, we focus on qualcomm stuff.
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That's a real shame that. I guess now it's either HTCDev or nothing.
Odd reply, the XL (or X 4G) is going to be the far less popular device, I don't know why you would intentionally look at something that's going to get that much less usage?
M.
Evil-Dragon said:
For those waiting for S-OFF by Revolutionary, it looks like you are very unlikely to get it. Baadnewz just asked in the #alpharev channel if the One would get S-OFF:
That's a real shame that. I guess now it's either HTCDev or nothing.
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That is a shame.. Guess I'll roll with S-ON in a few days if there's no word of any further progress.
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Well according to Paul over at Modaco, S-Off is being worked on.
http://android.modaco.com/topic/352...s-mac-and-linux/page__p__1932154#entry1932154
f3nd3r said:
Well according to Paul over at Modaco, S-Off is being worked on.
http://android.modaco.com/topic/352...s-mac-and-linux/page__p__1932154#entry1932154
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Cool, anyone know if it will be possible to go from S-ON to S-OFF?
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Might as well reply here, then.
The One X is a completely different architecture (nvidia tegra), with it's own set of restrictions/security measures. Therefore, it felt it was not wise to get peoples' hopes up, and simply said it's 'unlikely'. There's really no point in asking for 'plans', you don't plan on finding exploits.
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Odd reply, the XL (or X 4G) is going to be the far less popular device, I don't know why you would intentionally look at something that's going to get that much less usage?
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There's One S and One XL which run on Snapdragon S4. Who says it will be 'far less popular' ? Because you say so?
If you knew a bit about architectural differences and our focus on Qualcomm-chipset phones in the past, then maybe you wouldn't find the reply so odd. I find your reply superficial. Does that help the discussion? Nope.
Sorry if I offended, that was not my intention. I'm a huge fan of what you've done in the past (being a Desire user). I do appreciate the difference between the phones and I get that even though the UI is basically identical, alot of the underlying parts are vastly different.
I also get that you do have more experience with the qualcomm since that's where you've focused in the past (and also the provider HTC have used most - the tegra is a little different for them).
Not sure if this is the correct forum, but wondered what everyone thinks HTC are doing regarding the Unlocking of the HTC One X using HTCDev.com.
To me, on one hand its great that they are providing this service but on the other the downsides (warranty void & no updates) goes against the whole "Our phones are for Developers/Power Users".
On top of that, even when unlocking the phones using their service, there is no "easy way" to root the phones (without flashing a new/custom rom) and the inability to S-Off further goes against the whole mentality.
Either I really don't understand what HTC are trying to achieve? The cynic in me thinks this is just a "buy our phone its great for developers/power users" without actually giving away what we REALLY want.
IMHO, unlocking through HTCDev.com should unlock the bootloader, give S-Off and all that lovely stuff. I understand why they would void the warranty (bar any hardware faults of course!) but if I paid for the tech, I do feel I should be able to do what I want with it!
Just my 2 pence.
agento said:
IMHO, unlocking through HTCDev.com should unlock the bootloader, give S-Off and all that lovely stuff. I understand why they would void the warranty (bar any hardware faults of course!) but if I paid for the tech, I do feel I should be able to do what I want with it!
Just my 2 pence.
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I can understand what you mean, and i agree, but from HTCs point of view, they just don't want idiots going and bricking their phone, and then sending to HTC and expect them to fix it for free under warranty, if they didn't state that it may void your warranty, this would 100% happen. And would cost HTC a lot of dough.
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I can understand what you mean, and i agree, but from HTCs point of view, they just don't want idiots going and bricking their phone, and then sending to HTC and expect them to fix it for free under warranty, if they didn't state that it may void your warranty, this would 100% happen. And would cost HTC a lot of dough.
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Absolutely, but anyone wanting to do this should be able to. People wanting to do this on XDA the percentage is high, but in general (ie vast majority of people) will never even know whats possible, let alone want to do it. It does take a certain amount of skill/knowledge to go through the process. If it were as straightforward as a menu option on the phone to S-Off it would be a nightmare for HTC.
Secondly, how is using HTCDev.com to unlock your bootloader THAT DIFFERENT from using HTCDev.com to unlock your bootloader AND get S-OFF? They still track your Device ID for warrantly issues (not a problem for me, not sure about others) so wether you screw up your phone using one or the other, its still not at an expense to HTC?
S-OFF allows you to alter the baseband and settings. You can do things you're not legally allowed to do in most countries and you can near enough permanently brick your phone. It isn't too surprising that htcdev doesn't give you full unlocked S-OFF.
It would be nice if htcdev didn't affect your warranty and gave you S-OFF but I can understand why they don't do it. The existing htcdev unlock gives you most of what a developer or user would want.
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Absolutely, but anyone wanting to do this should be able to. People wanting to do this on XDA the percentage is high, but in general (ie vast majority of people) will never even know whats possible, let alone want to do it.
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Just take a look at the amount of threads with the same questions concerning flashing/root/unlocking in the General and Q&A forum and you'll see that what you just said is actually very far from reality
With that said, if HTC didn't provide HTCDev, we would still be figuring ways to crack the thing right here, and nobody would be working on ROMs as they are now~
It's like HTC wants to be the "cool" dev-friendly phone builder, but are scared of the financial repercussions of millions of customers bricking their phones. It ends up being half-assed.
Yeah, they give us HTCdev.com, but why not just ship the phone with the bootloader unlocked? The people who will never hear about htcdev.com won't be doing anything with their phones that concerns the bootloader, anyway.
Why is rooting HTC devices so scary? Both my SGS1 and SGS2 were rooted in about 10 minutes with no skipped heartbeats or hours of waiting for a battery to charge with no indication that it's done charging!
Rooting this thing was terrifying. Maybe because it's been a LONG time since I paid completely out of pocket for an unlocked international device. All my other phones after the G1 were carrier variants and I was covered by insurance if anything happened.
nooomoto said:
The people who will never hear about htcdev.com won't be doing anything with their phones that concerns the bootloader, anyway.
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Like the majority of smartphone users, they do not care to read up nor care about the differences of S-Off/unlocked bootloader/root.
Just ask any iPhone user who has a jailbroken device. Why do they do it? To pirate games mostly. People will do things just cos it's there, even when there's nothing that they actually want.
Other HTC devices had their bootloaders hacked and unlocked, S-Off'd and rooted without HTC's help. Give it a little time, and HTCDev will just be an afterthought for most of us here.
Personally, I'm just waiting for unofficial way to unlock bootloader and S-Off so HTC does not have a record of me doing it through HTCDev, hence voiding my warranty
Well, I'm sold. Those are the two magic words I needed to hear. Can't wait for that bad boy.
http://androidheadlines.com/2012/05/featured-verizon-wireless-turns-down-htcs-one-series-in-favor-of-droid-incredible-4g-lte.html
Even though the incredible 4G seems to have a few things that it lacks compared to the One X, it does have an unlocked bootloader which the One X does not. It seems that there was quite following of fans that wouldn’t have it any other way. This small group of android nerds is extremely passionate about the capability to tweak and change their devices. For those of you that are unfamiliar with what an unlocked bootloader does, it allows you somewhat endless possibilities to customize the firmware (or OS) on your device. Which can enhance its user experience, looks, features and the like. This move by HTC to keep the bootloader unlocked is because HTC says they fully support the ability to keep things open and customizable.
HTC is fully committed to the bootloader unlocking program and that Verizon is also completely behind it. Ultimately leading to its choice to make the incredible 4G LTE with this feature. While Verizon is behind the idea now. They could of course change their mind at any time.
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I'm very surprised by this news and very happy at the same time. This might bring some additional devs to the phone. Thanks for the news. You may want to post this in the Incredible 4G sub forum if its not already there.
That's great news and really cool to see that Htc is still going to be allowing the unlocked bootloader.
I'm sure this will be a big plus for me when it comes time to try out a new phone in the future
PacerguyDon said:
That's great news and really cool to see that Htc is still going to be allowing the unlocked bootloader.
I'm sure this will be a big plus for me when it comes time to try out a new phone in the future
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But still, the fact remains that it will be unlocked by HTC's online unlock tool. Which does not grant S-OFF. Granted that this is better than nothing, but I really want to know how much can be done without S-OFF. I mean, S-OFF was a huge thing for rezound, which recently got it. And I heard, until S-OFF was achieved, AOSP ROMs were impossible on Rezound. So, how much can be done by simply unlocking it by HTC's tool and not getting S-OFF? What is the difference between unlocked bootloader with S-ON (i.e. HTC's unlock method) and unlocked Bootloader via S-OFF like I did for the Dinc2? That is my basic question.
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But still, the fact remains that it will be unlocked by HTC's online unlock tool. Which does not grant S-OFF. Granted that this is better than nothing, but I really want to know how much can be done without S-OFF. I mean, S-OFF was a huge thing for rezound, which recently got it. And I heard, until S-OFF was achieved, AOSP ROMs were impossible on Rezound. So, how much can be done by simply unlocking it by HTC's tool and not getting S-OFF? What is the difference between unlocked bootloader with S-ON (i.e. HTC's unlock method) and unlocked Bootloader via S-OFF like I did for the Dinc2? That is my basic question.
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SON and SOFF has nothing todo with getting AOSP. The main problems with aosp on our phones is getting the RIL to work with aosp. Our devs have said the ril is the most complicated theyve seen.
Anyway, when we were just s on we can still have perm root, the thing is kernels werent able to flash in recovery, was flashed in bootloader. We couldnt flash radios, or change firmwares. But it was just fine. Now that we have soff everythings easier to flash. Though getting soff required a wire trick to short out the motherboard to acquire it.
So having just an unlocked bootloader will just mean 1 more step flashing roms, thats all.
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slacka-vt said:
Well, I'm sold. Those are the two magic words I needed to hear. Can't wait for that bad boy.
http://androidheadlines.com/2012/05...ries-in-favor-of-droid-incredible-4g-lte.html
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I can't understand how Verizon can play double standards like this. On the one side, they say they are 100% behind unlocking bootloaders for HTC and on the other hand they don't allow Motorola phones like the Droid X2, etc. to have unlocked bootloaders... unimpressed :/
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litetaker said:
I can't understand how Verizon can play double standards like this. On the one side, they say they are 100% behind unlocking bootloaders for HTC and on the other hand they don't allow Motorola phones like the Droid X2, etc. to have unlocked bootloaders... unimpressed :/
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i do think its htc dev unlock for the inc lte (not a completely unlocked b/l)
but in (slight) defense of vzw...its not all on them
for example samsung just makes their devices unlocked by default and offers them to carriers so no issue there
htc has their unlock program and i imagine offers the devices with it built in to carriers, and unless one of them threatens to not carry it as is (like possibly att did) then thats how it comes
moto encrypts (which is much stricter than s-on btw) its devices and then asks the carriers if they want them to then unlock it...none of them are gonna say yes
Hopefully we'll be able to get root with s-off... I want this phone.. 4" screen, step ups in hardware... Hopefully all the great devs will follow from the dinc 1 and 2...
well, the rezound had htc-dev-unlock and just got s-off finally after what 8 months?
s-off is always a possibility.
but htc unlock to me, is still very nice, as we can root, and do just about everything we can with s-off, it's just a little getting used to.
htc unlock may infact even make it so some dev wont want to "waste" time for s-off as the phone is already rooted
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well, the rezound had htc-dev-unlock and just got s-off finally after what 8 months?
s-off is always a possibility.
but htc unlock to me, is still very nice, as we can root, and do just about everything we can with s-off, it's just a little getting used to.
htc unlock may infact even make it so some dev wont want to "waste" time for s-off as the phone is already rooted
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yeah personally i dont care about having to flash kernels through hboot....it wouldnt prevent me from getting the phone...and im imagine much like the rezound and other s3 phones got s-off from the same project, the inc lte would benefit from work on the one series
Still a little bummed about the camera but this is definitely good news. Thanks for the heads up!
I wanted to just add a comment to a thread somewhere expressing a valid point in regards to s-off.....but it should almost be said in all of them so here it is.
A lot of people have growing concerns regarding s-off ever being re-accomplished with the new hboot versions (1.54 etc). People say that when the VZW S4 can't even get unlocked, how do we expect this to ever happen for HTC? An extremely large oversight that people are missing here is that yes, the VZW S4 community is very large. And with regards to unlocking the bootloader, you could also include the AT&T crowd into the mix as its kinda a dual deal. But these are the only two carrier devices being effected by the bootloader issue. Both carriers xda communities combined. However, when it comes to s-off for our device, you're not just involving VZW users. Or just adding another carrier to the mix. You literally have EVERY HTC One around the globe effected by this circumstance. So not only do you have vzw devs working on it, but at&t, tmo, sprint, rogers, bell, etc etc etc etc etc.....all of am around the globe. There are FAR FAR FAR more people interested in this than there are people for other bootloaders for other devices. This is the advantage of owning a worldwide single-product release.
So yes, I say there is a significantly larger hope for s-off being achieved than most people give credit for.
EXAMPLE - look at how many devices were effected by moonshine/revone and tell me how many phones/carriers were obtainable through this....:good:
TechSavvy2 said:
I wanted to just add a comment to a thread somewhere expressing a valid point in regards to s-off.....but it should almost be said in all of them so here it is.
A lot of people have growing concerns regarding s-off ever being re-accomplished with the new hboot versions (1.54 etc). People say that when the VZW S4 can't even get unlocked, how do we expect this to ever happen for HTC? An extremely large oversight that people are missing here is that yes, the VZW S4 community is very large. And with regards to unlocking the bootloader, you could also include the AT&T crowd into the mix as its kinda a dual deal. But these are the only two carrier devices being effected by the bootloader issue. Both carriers xda communities combined. However, when it comes to s-off for our device, you're not just involving VZW users. Or just adding another carrier to the mix. You literally have EVERY HTC One around the globe effected by this circumstance. So not only do you have vzw devs working on it, but at&t, tmo, sprint, rogers, bell, etc etc etc etc etc.....all of am around the globe. There are FAR FAR FAR more people interested in this than there are people for other bootloaders for other devices. This is the advantage of owning a worldwide single-product release.
So yes, I say there is a significantly larger hope for s-off being achieved than most people give credit for.
EXAMPLE - look at how many devices were effected by moonshine/revone and tell me how many phones/carriers were obtainable through this....:good:
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Boy I hope you're right lol
Didn't really think about it this way, +1 for I hope you're right.
The problem is that when the bootloader isn't locked down, there's very little reason for people to really get S-OFF
S-off shouldn't be our concern. Unlocking the bootloader should be our main concern, along with root. In all honesty, s-off isn't even necessary and most people don't even know what it actually does. It could cause more harm than good.
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S-Off is fun though, I used to love being able to flash radios whenever I wanted on my Thunderbolt without an RUU. Flashing custom splash screens was fun too.
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All I want is the Google Edition rom, or as close as we can get to it.
If s-off isn't necessary for that, then I'm not concerned about s-off. I mean I hope it happens for the people who want it though
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josh995 said:
All I want is the Google Edition rom, or as close as we can get to it.
If s-off isn't necessary for that, then I'm not concerned about s-off. I mean I hope it happens for the people who want it though
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You can install newts Google edition with an unlocked bootloader, s-off not necessary.
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do you need s-off for boot animations? I want that google play edition animation
crazyg0od33 said:
do you need s-off for boot animations? I want that google play edition animation
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Nope. Just root. Splash screens need s-off.
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S-OFF is nice if we can't get an unlocked bootloader through HTCDEV. At this point, I'll take what I can get. I am waiting to pull the trigger on the phone now that HTC shut off the unlocking option. There might be a step where we can:
1- get s-off
2- unlock bootloader / load custom recovery
3- disable s-off (s-on again)
squabbi has built a nice AIO toolkit and I suspect when something is found for our hboot (or another attack vector is found) the toolkit can be modified to include the verizon version. I think once we (verizon people) can change the CID, we will be able to unlock the bootloader and it will be a non-issue.
Maj
MajikUF said:
S-OFF is nice if we can't get an unlocked bootloader through HTCDEV. At this point, I'll take what I can get. I am waiting to pull the trigger on the phone now that HTC shut off the unlocking option. There might be a step where we can:
1- get s-off
2- unlock bootloader
3- disable s-off (s-on again)
squabbi has built a nice AIO toolkit and I suspect when something is found for our hboot (or another attack vector is found) the toolkit can be modified to include the verizon version. I think once we (verizon people) can change the CID, we will be able to unlock the bootloader and it will be a non-issue.
Maj
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If we got s-off then the bootloader wouldn't even matter.
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If we got s-off then the bootloader wouldn't even matter.
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I updated my #2 to add flashing custom recovery.. I currently have my rezound s-off, but I never liked it being s-off. I always prefer being s-on for extra protection. (a phone condom if you will)
Take from a someone who owed a ONE from various carriers, S-off is overrated.
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MajikUF said:
I updated my #2 to add flashing custom recovery.. I currently have my rezound s-off, but I never liked it being s-off. I always prefer being s-on for extra protection. (a phone condom if you will)
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Yeah. I remember when I screwed up my rezound. Then I fixed it, put up a guide and got hated on lol
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shook187 said:
Take from a someone who owed a ONE from various carriers, S-off is overrated.
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This^ I tell everyone this. They think they need s-off when really they are just too lazy to flash a boot img.
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antp121 said:
Yeah. I remember when I screwed up my rezound. Then I fixed it, put up a guide and got hated on lol
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This^ I tell everyone this. They think they need s-off when really they are just too lazy to flash a boot img.
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What about aroma kernels? It is not overrated. Sometimes a boot img cannot be extracted and like I said it makes aroma flashing impossible (maybe TWRP dumlock supports it not sure). Even so, its nice knowing the carrier can never lock my device or unroot it. And as of now, no one else can unlock their device. So no, S-off is not overrated. Just so everyone knows, s-off will not be achieved until the newest hboot is cracked. I am not sure if its possible but if it is, it will probably take a few months. Good luck to everyone working on it
S-Off is kind of a big deal. You can remove that tampered flag when you unlock your boot loader. Hell you can unlock your phone without losing all your data and flagging that tampered line. Most people enjoy peace of mind of being able to relock the bootloader without tampered so the factory warranty and other securities are still available to them.
Syn Ack said:
S-Off is kind of a big deal. You can remove that tampered flag when you unlock your boot loader. Hell you can unlock your phone without losing all your data and flagging that tampered line. Most people enjoy peace of mind of being able to relock the bootloader without tampered so the factory warranty and other securities are still available to them.
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As much as I want s-off, these are definitely not the reasons why.... I'm contempt with what I'm doing to my warranty.
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Syn Ack said:
S-Off is kind of a big deal. You can remove that tampered flag when you unlock your boot loader. Hell you can unlock your phone without losing all your data and flagging that tampered line. Most people enjoy peace of mind of being able to relock the bootloader without tampered so the factory warranty and other securities are still available to them.
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But there is also a risk you could ruin your phone if you do something wrong. I enjoy s-off but people need to understand what they are truly doing to their phones before they do something they can't undo.
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shook187 said:
Take from a someone who owed a ONE from various carriers, S-off is overrated.
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Take it from someone whom also owned a HTC One that was s-off on other carriers.... you are completely wrong.
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Did the firewater method for S-off and it keeps saying " device has been patched by HTC, your out of luck!!!." is there any way to get by this? im new to HTC devices so im a little thrown off
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Did the firewater method for S-off and it keeps saying " device has been patched by HTC, your out of luck!!!." is there any way to get by this? im new to HTC devices so im a little thrown off
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I believe htc patched the last update, so would need to downgrade but not sure how you can downgrade when s-on.
There is a Bounty thread for a fix. Check my signature.
Someone correct me, cause I'm sure I'm wrong, my idea can't be right because it seems too easy/logical...
If HTC is the one who patched out firewater, wouldn't the next stop on the logic train be to assume that they want you to s-off on the HTCdev site so they can note the warranty voided??
I've been s-off since before this device even hit the market locally, so firewater worked fine...I'm just throwing darts to try and help.
Thoughts?
Exactly, it's not that easy. HTCDev will only let you unlock the bootloader, which is enough for many things, but is not the same as S-OFF. HTC doesn't provide any official way to the public for setting the device to S-OFF.
AGKdrOId said:
Someone correct me, cause I'm sure I'm wrong, my idea can't be right because it seems too easy/logical...
If HTC is the one who patched out firewater, wouldn't the next stop on the logic train be to assume that they want you to s-off on the HTCdev site so they can note the warranty voided??
I've been s-off since before this device even hit the market locally, so firewater worked fine...I'm just throwing darts to try and help.
Thoughts?
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It seems that way, but I don't use logic when it comes to large corporations.
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HTC doesn't provide any official way to the public for setting the device to S-OFF.
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They should though... Why deny it just so that people go with "questionable" means to exploit a system in order to do the things they want to do with the device they paid a crap load of money for.
One would think by now that companies would realise that they'll never be "fully" in front when it comes to "battles" like these, whenever they implement a new security measure, there's already someone out there with the skills to exploit it! If they exploited it by "unofficial" means, then logically they would want to cover their tracks as well leading to a form of fraud i.e hiding flags/banners that show that you did S-OFF and Unlocked, it causes problems for other users if they were to buy a device like that(2nd hand for example) or even if you handed it in as such to HTC and they refurb and resell a device that says it's one thing where in fact it's something entirely different.
Why not grant unlocked bootloader, S-OFF AND Root access on all devices and sell it as is? You can put plenty of security warnings up to warn someone about the potential danger and/or damage they can cause if they don't use it properly.
Software related issues and/or bricks can be covered seperately with warranty(perhaps a small increase in price to cover it, if it's software related, HTC can fix it easy), hardware problems on the other hand won't necessarily come about because some wanna be couldn't read a ROM installation thread properly.
It's silly if you ask me. You should be able to buy the device with the ability to have an unlocked bootloader, root access and S-OFF, out of the box! You should then be well aware that IF something happens as a result of your own negligence that you'll have to pay a bit more to get it fixed, period. There should be a warning and agreement, if you agree to those terms then you can't cry to anyone if you mess up.
But that's my opinion though.
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BerndM14 said:
It's silly if you ask me. You should be able to buy the device with the ability to have an unlocked bootloader, root access and S-OFF, out of the box! You should then be well aware that IF something happens as a result of your own negligence that you'll have to pay a bit more to get it fixed, period. There should be a warning and agreement, if you agree to those terms then you can't cry to anyone if you mess up.
But that's my opinion though.
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I agree with you - in principle. The problem is that you expect users who click that "I agree" button to actually accept responsibility for their actions if they sc*** up. And often they don't.
I have seen it again and again in the Asus Transformer forums. You can download an apk from Asus to unlock the bootloader but that app also phones home and voids your warranty (which is clearly explained in the agreement). Quite a few users who mostly didn't bother to do enough research blamed Asus for providing a tool to unlock the BL, but then refused to support them if they bricked their device. Some sent it in for warranty repair and some actually succeeded - probably because the tech did not pay attention to the unlocked bootloader - basically making Asus pay for a mistake they made. These things happen and people just tend to try to find someone to blame for their own shortcomings.
So I do understand that they make it difficult - and I do agree: They can't win this game... Someone will find a way
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I agree with you - in principle. The problem is that you expect users who click that "I agree" button to actually accept responsibility for their actions if they sc*** up. And often they don't.
I have seen it again and again in the Asus Transformer forums. You can download an apk from Asus to unlock the bootloader but that app also phones home and voids your warranty (which is clearly explained in the agreement). Quite a few users who mostly didn't bother to do enough research blamed Asus for providing a tool to unlock the BL, but then refused to support them if they bricked their device. Some sent it in for warranty repair and some actually succeeded - probably because the tech did not pay attention to the unlocked bootloader - basically making Asus pay for a mistake they made. These things happen and people just tend to try to find someone to blame for the own shortcomings.
So I do understand that they make it difficult - and I do agree: They can't win this game... Someone will find a way
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Agreed. The main issue is the common person not doing research on these things and even IF they do some reading they don't even read properly. Most of the problems they encounter are self-made problems.
Perhaps giving an option in store for those things would be better then, like I said they could even "increase" the price a bit for the warranty/insurance IF you choose to go with an unlocked, rooted and S-OFF'd device...Oh well, pure speculation though, it's not like it'll ever happen.
Oh and you have an awesome name Bernd :good:
BerndM14 said:
Oh and you have an awesome name Bernd :good:
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I agree! So do you! Also German immigrant? :victory:
berndblb said:
I agree! So do you! Also German immigrant? :victory:
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Yes and no... Parents are Germans and came to South Africa, I was born here.