Not sure if this is the correct forum, but wondered what everyone thinks HTC are doing regarding the Unlocking of the HTC One X using HTCDev.com.
To me, on one hand its great that they are providing this service but on the other the downsides (warranty void & no updates) goes against the whole "Our phones are for Developers/Power Users".
On top of that, even when unlocking the phones using their service, there is no "easy way" to root the phones (without flashing a new/custom rom) and the inability to S-Off further goes against the whole mentality.
Either I really don't understand what HTC are trying to achieve? The cynic in me thinks this is just a "buy our phone its great for developers/power users" without actually giving away what we REALLY want.
IMHO, unlocking through HTCDev.com should unlock the bootloader, give S-Off and all that lovely stuff. I understand why they would void the warranty (bar any hardware faults of course!) but if I paid for the tech, I do feel I should be able to do what I want with it!
Just my 2 pence.
agento said:
IMHO, unlocking through HTCDev.com should unlock the bootloader, give S-Off and all that lovely stuff. I understand why they would void the warranty (bar any hardware faults of course!) but if I paid for the tech, I do feel I should be able to do what I want with it!
Just my 2 pence.
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I can understand what you mean, and i agree, but from HTCs point of view, they just don't want idiots going and bricking their phone, and then sending to HTC and expect them to fix it for free under warranty, if they didn't state that it may void your warranty, this would 100% happen. And would cost HTC a lot of dough.
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I can understand what you mean, and i agree, but from HTCs point of view, they just don't want idiots going and bricking their phone, and then sending to HTC and expect them to fix it for free under warranty, if they didn't state that it may void your warranty, this would 100% happen. And would cost HTC a lot of dough.
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Absolutely, but anyone wanting to do this should be able to. People wanting to do this on XDA the percentage is high, but in general (ie vast majority of people) will never even know whats possible, let alone want to do it. It does take a certain amount of skill/knowledge to go through the process. If it were as straightforward as a menu option on the phone to S-Off it would be a nightmare for HTC.
Secondly, how is using HTCDev.com to unlock your bootloader THAT DIFFERENT from using HTCDev.com to unlock your bootloader AND get S-OFF? They still track your Device ID for warrantly issues (not a problem for me, not sure about others) so wether you screw up your phone using one or the other, its still not at an expense to HTC?
S-OFF allows you to alter the baseband and settings. You can do things you're not legally allowed to do in most countries and you can near enough permanently brick your phone. It isn't too surprising that htcdev doesn't give you full unlocked S-OFF.
It would be nice if htcdev didn't affect your warranty and gave you S-OFF but I can understand why they don't do it. The existing htcdev unlock gives you most of what a developer or user would want.
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Absolutely, but anyone wanting to do this should be able to. People wanting to do this on XDA the percentage is high, but in general (ie vast majority of people) will never even know whats possible, let alone want to do it.
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Just take a look at the amount of threads with the same questions concerning flashing/root/unlocking in the General and Q&A forum and you'll see that what you just said is actually very far from reality
With that said, if HTC didn't provide HTCDev, we would still be figuring ways to crack the thing right here, and nobody would be working on ROMs as they are now~
It's like HTC wants to be the "cool" dev-friendly phone builder, but are scared of the financial repercussions of millions of customers bricking their phones. It ends up being half-assed.
Yeah, they give us HTCdev.com, but why not just ship the phone with the bootloader unlocked? The people who will never hear about htcdev.com won't be doing anything with their phones that concerns the bootloader, anyway.
Why is rooting HTC devices so scary? Both my SGS1 and SGS2 were rooted in about 10 minutes with no skipped heartbeats or hours of waiting for a battery to charge with no indication that it's done charging!
Rooting this thing was terrifying. Maybe because it's been a LONG time since I paid completely out of pocket for an unlocked international device. All my other phones after the G1 were carrier variants and I was covered by insurance if anything happened.
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The people who will never hear about htcdev.com won't be doing anything with their phones that concerns the bootloader, anyway.
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Like the majority of smartphone users, they do not care to read up nor care about the differences of S-Off/unlocked bootloader/root.
Just ask any iPhone user who has a jailbroken device. Why do they do it? To pirate games mostly. People will do things just cos it's there, even when there's nothing that they actually want.
Other HTC devices had their bootloaders hacked and unlocked, S-Off'd and rooted without HTC's help. Give it a little time, and HTCDev will just be an afterthought for most of us here.
Personally, I'm just waiting for unofficial way to unlock bootloader and S-Off so HTC does not have a record of me doing it through HTCDev, hence voiding my warranty
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Is there a way to relock unlocked bootloaders after unlocking with HTCdev to get warranty back?
Thanks.
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Not at the moment.
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Is there a way to relock unlocked bootloaders after unlocking with HTCdev to get warranty back?
Thanks.
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go to fastboot and run:
fastboot oem lock
this will lock the bootloader again.
BUT this will NOT recover your warranty.
Warranty was void as soon as you applied the hboot ruu
edit: looked at your signature. you're s-off? then there's a way back. do like above and then just flash lastest non htc-dev hboot.
If you registered on htcdev, and your serial is on record, they will not accept warranty claims about the device that is in question.....
Read TOS carefully.....
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If you registered on htcdev, and your serial is on record, they will not accept warranty claims about the device that is in question.....
Read TOS carefully.....
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Hi, I'm new here but have been lurking around for quite some time.
Re: the Legal question, where exactly does it say that?
I've read the TOS, the Terms of Use and don't recall seeing that anywhere therein.
What I do recall is a statement that 'some or all of your warranty may be void'.
A statement like that which you put up is in direct conflict with the Unfair Contract Terms Act 1977 & the Consumer Protection Act 1987.
The most they can do is deny warranty claims arising from you bricking your phone or from any faults (they specify this) which exist in their software, however they cannot and do not deny such claims where from a hardware 'defect'.
One more thing as well, because I know someone will pick up on this, the above applies in the USA as well as the UK and other countries, if you look at the Terms of Use on the htcdev website they have a choice-of-law clause putting the whole she-bang under England & Wales law.
Sale of Goods Act 1979 also imputes implied warranties.
Also keep in mind your warranty is 2 year by default under Directive 1999/44/EC if you're in the EU and is so regardless of what anybody else says.
So again, using HTC BL Unlock only voids your warranty so far as software is concerned and if you manage to fry or brick your phone through custom ROMS (or theirs even).
What it doesn't do is exclude their liability for hardware anomalies, such liability *cannot* be excluded.
So you still have your warranty, so long as it's not a software fault in their ROM & hboot and so long as you haven't bricked your own phone. In theory, if you can re-flash the non htcdev ROM then your warranty should be perfectly intact.
They can't just exclude things willy-nilly.
p.s. one fine point about software s-offing, you guys may want to get HTC's written permission for it, I don't know how HTC react to IP things but if it isn't a good reaction and they really don't want you to develop a software s-off they will slap you with a copyright infringement/takedown notice.
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p.s. one fine point about software s-offing, you guys may want to get HTC's written permission for it, I don't know how HTC react to IP things but if it isn't a good reaction and they really don't want you to develop a software s-off they will slap you with a copyright infringement/takedown notice.
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I don't know if Alpharev has such a written permission but I find it unlikely. Also I've never heard of HTC going after the XTC-clip people. Not nitpicking, just wondering.
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I don't know if Alpharev has such a written permission but I find it unlikely. Also I've never heard of HTC going after the XTC-clip people. Not nitpicking, just wondering.
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Fair enough, just wanted to throw it out there while i was on a legal rant
Their IP license is a bit weird tbh, it seems they reserve the right to come after you for reverse engineering though... in fairness for competition purposes mostly
But the Android OS is open-source, I thought that you can change it hoe you like as long as you don't make a profit off it alone?...
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But the Android OS is open-source, I thought that you can change it hoe you like as long as you don't make a profit off it alone?...
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Well...Android is open source inasmuch as you have access to the source and can develop your own stuff but the software itself is IP which is owned by Google and distributed and licensed under the Apache License V2, which lets them prohibit reverse engineering and whatnot, which is beneficial for manufacturers (see:HTC) which could prevent customers or anyone else from reverse engineering Sense GUI or anything of that sort.
They probably wont but it is good to be aware of these things I find.
Apache License v2 btw - apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0
Also both Android & HTCDEV ToSes cover reverse engineering.
Open source can be on an array of dif. licenses, LGPL force allowance of modifications, reverse engineering and etc, apache doesn't.
So basically they give you the tools to change it, but reserve the right (though not an attractive option for them due to bad publicity) to come after you if you do something they really don't like.
On a side note the OpenOffice/LibreOffice split occurred due to a license change too.
That all having been said, I am not 100% on the above and opensource is a bit weird in terms of IP, but I am somewhat certain. On the warranty point however I am 100%, the law there is clear.
p.s. fun fact - HTC actually reserves the right to begin charging fees for their Sense service online in the future...just noticed that
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Is there any chance in the future day to downgrade this hboot 1.02.0000?? I`m stuck like some of you with "unlocked" htcdev boot loader and no chance to flash any of .nb0 hoot file from fast boot and another way...
theq86 said:
go to fastboot and run:
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this will lock the bootloader again.
BUT this will NOT recover your warranty.
Warranty was void as soon as you applied the hboot ruu
edit: looked at your signature. you're s-off? then there's a way back. do like above and then just flash lastest non htc-dev hboot.
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My signature is for my buzz. The Marvel is HTCDev unlocked.
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Hello Dear XDa'er
I bought myself the HTC one X and I wanted to ask if possible in the future would be S-OFF? I dare not htcdev on the way because of the warranty.
Thank you for your answers.
Ps: sorry for my bad English
FordSierra88 said:
Hello Dear XDa'er
I bought myself the HTC one X and I wanted to ask if possible in the future would be S-OFF? I dare not htcdev on the way because of the warranty.
Thank you for your answers.
Ps: sorry for my bad English
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Only time will tell
FordSierra88 said:
Hello Dear XDa'er
I bought myself the HTC one X and I wanted to ask if possible in the future would be S-OFF? I dare not htcdev on the way because of the warranty.
Thank you for your answers.
Ps: sorry for my bad English
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S-Off is not guaranteed to come at any time. It may do, but as far as I know Revolutionary has been stumped at the latest HBoots.
Also, illegitemate S-Offing is not going to rescue your warranty necessarily, and neither is using HTC-Dev going to totally break your warranty:
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Please understand that you will not be able to return your device to the original state and going forward your device may not be held covered under the warranty for all claims resulting from the unlocking of the bootloader. HTC bears no responsibility if your device is no longer usable afterwards.
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Their point is that they won't repair under warranty anything that breaks as a result of unlocking the bootloader.
There isn't any hard-and-fast rule here, and people have reported different experiences, but it's better than nothing!
Sorry to ask this... i consider myself not a noob on android, rooting etc, but for some reason S-OFF has passed me by... what is S-OFF?
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Sorry to ask this... i consider myself not a noob on android, rooting etc, but for some reason S-OFF has passed me by... what is S-OFF?
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S-Off is (in my understanding) essentially full control over all partitions (including CID which controls network lock etc.), radio partitions, etc.
HTC-Dev provides a semi S-Off bootloader state, allowing you to write to all system partitions EXCEPT the above (and possibly others that I've forgotten about).
The advantages of full S-Off are: able to carrier-unlock phone for free, able to update radio without flashing official HTC ROMs, able to revert to S-On fairly simply.
With HTC-Dev, although you can "re-lock" your bootloader, the phone reports as "re-locked" rather than "locked".
(I may be making all of this up but it is my understanding based on my research).
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Their point is that they won't repair under warranty anything that breaks as a result of unlocking the bootloader.
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That would mean that your warranty would remain identical, only bricked devices wouldn't be repaired. (If you limit yourself to installing roms, that is)
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That would mean that your warranty would remain identical, only bricked devices wouldn't be repaired. (If you limit yourself to installing roms, that is)
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Problem being if you read through their examples about overclocking etc and killing your cpu. It's very easy to say that some hardware has failed due to custom rom etc.
Now I have a nooby question too. I come from a desire which was prior to bootloader-gate (oh sigh, i did one of those). AFAIK our bootloader was unlocked from the factory so we could flash stuff straight up. S-OFF was pretty easy as well so we could do whatever we wanted pretty much
AFAIK, without unlocking bootloader, the best we can do is flash stock roms and attain root (once a stock bootloader method is available) but we can't get into custom roms/kernels without unlock? I'm pretty much at the point where I want to start tinkering with things... but just wonder if it's worth waiting, or if I should just go and htcdev unlock my phone now
I am a little wary of the warranty implications above, that is the only reason i hesitate.
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The S stands for Security
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I am a little wary of the warranty implications above, that is the only reason i hesitate.
M.
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That would mean that your warranty would remain identical, only bricked devices wouldn't be repaired. (If you limit yourself to installing roms, that is)
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Well, possibly. As mentioned above, it's possible that the manufacturer could argue that, e.g. screen issue was due to overclock of CPU, overheating of glue holding screen resulting in the problem.
In reality I doubt that would happen, as (in the UK at least) under warranty it falls on the manufacturer to prove that the problem was due to a non-warranty problem. The CPU won't "remember" that it's been overclocked, and so with a factory reset I can't see how they could tell.
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Problem being if you read through their examples about overclocking etc and killing your cpu. It's very easy to say that some hardware has failed due to custom rom etc.
Now I have a nooby question too. I come from a desire which was prior to bootloader-gate (oh sigh, i did one of those). AFAIK our bootloader was unlocked from the factory so we could flash stuff straight up. S-OFF was pretty easy as well so we could do whatever we wanted pretty much
AFAIK, without unlocking bootloader, the best we can do is flash stock roms and attain root (once a stock bootloader method is available) but we can't get into custom roms/kernels without unlock? I'm pretty much at the point where I want to start tinkering with things... but just wonder if it's worth waiting, or if I should just go and htcdev unlock my phone now
I am a little wary of the warranty implications above, that is the only reason i hesitate.
M.
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I think since HTCDev started there has been far less S-On rooting, for two reasons. First of all, why bother? We can attain mostly-S-Off "legitimately" so why waste energy working out how to root S-On. Secondly, the lock-down of the OS has got better with every iteration, and, at least on recent phones, no hack has been discovered (again, there's less incentive to try due to HTCDev).
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D'oh, meant to type that and forgot. Lol
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I think since HTCDev started there has been far less S-On rooting, for two reasons. First of all, why bother? We can attain mostly-S-Off "legitimately" so why waste energy working out how to root S-On. Secondly, the lock-down of the OS has got better with every iteration, and, at least on recent phones, no hack has been discovered (again, there's less incentive to try due to HTCDev).
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Point taken
So basically it's harder to do than ever and less incentive to do than ever. Solution... go do htcdev I actually signed up for the site a while reading the thread, just waiting for the (apparently very slow) confirmation email. No work tomorrow due to good friday so I suspect my phone might get some ARHD love
I think warranty laws in australia are similar to what you say. Using non-genuine ink in printer they can't void your entire warranty, only if they can prove the ink was the issue. Slightly different issue, it's not like you've just hacked your printer firmware to increase print speeds or something... but I get what you mean.
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Edit - signed up again on different email and got activation stuff immediately - silly. Noticed they need to update the unlock page though... first step "remove and reinsert the battery" heh
Edit 2 - all done
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I thought it stood for 'Safety'
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Excellent explanation and discussion by qpop and mattman on S-off thing. All I needed to know as new HTC user.
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For those waiting for S-OFF by Revolutionary, it looks like you are very unlikely to get it. Baadnewz just asked in the #alpharev channel if the One would get S-OFF:
[19:46] <baadnewz> IEF you have any plans for ONE ? :B
[19:46] <baadnewz> (kick incoming)
[19:47] <burgd> To Krait or not To Krait
[19:56] <_anonymous> you got one bnz?
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[20:20] <@IEF> baad_away: One X is pretty unlikely, we focus on qualcomm stuff.
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That's a real shame that. I guess now it's either HTCDev or nothing.
Odd reply, the XL (or X 4G) is going to be the far less popular device, I don't know why you would intentionally look at something that's going to get that much less usage?
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Evil-Dragon said:
For those waiting for S-OFF by Revolutionary, it looks like you are very unlikely to get it. Baadnewz just asked in the #alpharev channel if the One would get S-OFF:
That's a real shame that. I guess now it's either HTCDev or nothing.
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That is a shame.. Guess I'll roll with S-ON in a few days if there's no word of any further progress.
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Well according to Paul over at Modaco, S-Off is being worked on.
http://android.modaco.com/topic/352...s-mac-and-linux/page__p__1932154#entry1932154
f3nd3r said:
Well according to Paul over at Modaco, S-Off is being worked on.
http://android.modaco.com/topic/352...s-mac-and-linux/page__p__1932154#entry1932154
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Cool, anyone know if it will be possible to go from S-ON to S-OFF?
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Might as well reply here, then.
The One X is a completely different architecture (nvidia tegra), with it's own set of restrictions/security measures. Therefore, it felt it was not wise to get peoples' hopes up, and simply said it's 'unlikely'. There's really no point in asking for 'plans', you don't plan on finding exploits.
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Odd reply, the XL (or X 4G) is going to be the far less popular device, I don't know why you would intentionally look at something that's going to get that much less usage?
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There's One S and One XL which run on Snapdragon S4. Who says it will be 'far less popular' ? Because you say so?
If you knew a bit about architectural differences and our focus on Qualcomm-chipset phones in the past, then maybe you wouldn't find the reply so odd. I find your reply superficial. Does that help the discussion? Nope.
Sorry if I offended, that was not my intention. I'm a huge fan of what you've done in the past (being a Desire user). I do appreciate the difference between the phones and I get that even though the UI is basically identical, alot of the underlying parts are vastly different.
I also get that you do have more experience with the qualcomm since that's where you've focused in the past (and also the provider HTC have used most - the tegra is a little different for them).
I'd like to start off by saying that I am aware that we are nowhere near getting s-off at the present moment so no need to tell me this.
Me and my friend were talking about his HOX and whether he should unlock the bootloader. I said yes - since I've done it myself and benefits outweigh risks. I did a lot of explaining and I also mentioned S-Off. He then asked whether if we could get rid of the evidence of HTCdev unlock when we get S-Off in the future. It was a really interesting question, but...
I didn't know the answer and this is why I turn to the Trusty XDA community to fill us in . I was thinking technically we could since we have access to all of the device rather than just certain parts.
Looking forward to some answers!
Thank you all in advance.
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Yes, you should be able to, if we get S-OFF.
Some will say that htcdev have a record of your IMEI, and so you will lose warranty, but asking for the ability to unlock and unlocking are different things. Plausible deniability.
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Yes, you should be able to, if we get S-OFF.
Some will say that htcdev have a record of your IMEI, and so you will lose warranty, but asking for the ability to unlock and unlocking are different things. Plausible deniability.
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Agreed and understood. Thanks alot.
Did the firewater method for S-off and it keeps saying " device has been patched by HTC, your out of luck!!!." is there any way to get by this? im new to HTC devices so im a little thrown off
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Did the firewater method for S-off and it keeps saying " device has been patched by HTC, your out of luck!!!." is there any way to get by this? im new to HTC devices so im a little thrown off
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I believe htc patched the last update, so would need to downgrade but not sure how you can downgrade when s-on.
There is a Bounty thread for a fix. Check my signature.
Someone correct me, cause I'm sure I'm wrong, my idea can't be right because it seems too easy/logical...
If HTC is the one who patched out firewater, wouldn't the next stop on the logic train be to assume that they want you to s-off on the HTCdev site so they can note the warranty voided??
I've been s-off since before this device even hit the market locally, so firewater worked fine...I'm just throwing darts to try and help.
Thoughts?
Exactly, it's not that easy. HTCDev will only let you unlock the bootloader, which is enough for many things, but is not the same as S-OFF. HTC doesn't provide any official way to the public for setting the device to S-OFF.
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Someone correct me, cause I'm sure I'm wrong, my idea can't be right because it seems too easy/logical...
If HTC is the one who patched out firewater, wouldn't the next stop on the logic train be to assume that they want you to s-off on the HTCdev site so they can note the warranty voided??
I've been s-off since before this device even hit the market locally, so firewater worked fine...I'm just throwing darts to try and help.
Thoughts?
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It seems that way, but I don't use logic when it comes to large corporations.
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HTC doesn't provide any official way to the public for setting the device to S-OFF.
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They should though... Why deny it just so that people go with "questionable" means to exploit a system in order to do the things they want to do with the device they paid a crap load of money for.
One would think by now that companies would realise that they'll never be "fully" in front when it comes to "battles" like these, whenever they implement a new security measure, there's already someone out there with the skills to exploit it! If they exploited it by "unofficial" means, then logically they would want to cover their tracks as well leading to a form of fraud i.e hiding flags/banners that show that you did S-OFF and Unlocked, it causes problems for other users if they were to buy a device like that(2nd hand for example) or even if you handed it in as such to HTC and they refurb and resell a device that says it's one thing where in fact it's something entirely different.
Why not grant unlocked bootloader, S-OFF AND Root access on all devices and sell it as is? You can put plenty of security warnings up to warn someone about the potential danger and/or damage they can cause if they don't use it properly.
Software related issues and/or bricks can be covered seperately with warranty(perhaps a small increase in price to cover it, if it's software related, HTC can fix it easy), hardware problems on the other hand won't necessarily come about because some wanna be couldn't read a ROM installation thread properly.
It's silly if you ask me. You should be able to buy the device with the ability to have an unlocked bootloader, root access and S-OFF, out of the box! You should then be well aware that IF something happens as a result of your own negligence that you'll have to pay a bit more to get it fixed, period. There should be a warning and agreement, if you agree to those terms then you can't cry to anyone if you mess up.
But that's my opinion though.
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It's silly if you ask me. You should be able to buy the device with the ability to have an unlocked bootloader, root access and S-OFF, out of the box! You should then be well aware that IF something happens as a result of your own negligence that you'll have to pay a bit more to get it fixed, period. There should be a warning and agreement, if you agree to those terms then you can't cry to anyone if you mess up.
But that's my opinion though.
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I agree with you - in principle. The problem is that you expect users who click that "I agree" button to actually accept responsibility for their actions if they sc*** up. And often they don't.
I have seen it again and again in the Asus Transformer forums. You can download an apk from Asus to unlock the bootloader but that app also phones home and voids your warranty (which is clearly explained in the agreement). Quite a few users who mostly didn't bother to do enough research blamed Asus for providing a tool to unlock the BL, but then refused to support them if they bricked their device. Some sent it in for warranty repair and some actually succeeded - probably because the tech did not pay attention to the unlocked bootloader - basically making Asus pay for a mistake they made. These things happen and people just tend to try to find someone to blame for their own shortcomings.
So I do understand that they make it difficult - and I do agree: They can't win this game... Someone will find a way
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I agree with you - in principle. The problem is that you expect users who click that "I agree" button to actually accept responsibility for their actions if they sc*** up. And often they don't.
I have seen it again and again in the Asus Transformer forums. You can download an apk from Asus to unlock the bootloader but that app also phones home and voids your warranty (which is clearly explained in the agreement). Quite a few users who mostly didn't bother to do enough research blamed Asus for providing a tool to unlock the BL, but then refused to support them if they bricked their device. Some sent it in for warranty repair and some actually succeeded - probably because the tech did not pay attention to the unlocked bootloader - basically making Asus pay for a mistake they made. These things happen and people just tend to try to find someone to blame for the own shortcomings.
So I do understand that they make it difficult - and I do agree: They can't win this game... Someone will find a way
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Agreed. The main issue is the common person not doing research on these things and even IF they do some reading they don't even read properly. Most of the problems they encounter are self-made problems.
Perhaps giving an option in store for those things would be better then, like I said they could even "increase" the price a bit for the warranty/insurance IF you choose to go with an unlocked, rooted and S-OFF'd device...Oh well, pure speculation though, it's not like it'll ever happen.
Oh and you have an awesome name Bernd :good:
BerndM14 said:
Oh and you have an awesome name Bernd :good:
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I agree! So do you! Also German immigrant? :victory:
berndblb said:
I agree! So do you! Also German immigrant? :victory:
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Yes and no... Parents are Germans and came to South Africa, I was born here.
We all know sunshine is the (paid) method to achieve s-off as of right now...my question has anyone thought about contacting HTC to have them do this exploit?25$ is not an option for me at this point...not sure about the rest of the m8 world...and thanks for all answers...postive or negative
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my question has anyone thought about contacting HTC to have them do this exploit?
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No. HTC made the phone s-on intentionally. There are simply things they don't want you to access. HTC goes to great effort and expense to plug existing exploits (like firewater). They aren't going to make an exploit for their own security flag!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2948595
So what would the most likely result be if one were to contact them for this exploit?I mean people who know what they are doing should have access to those phone exploits if they know what they are doing...idk...just doesn't make sense why they would patch an exploit...it's like they want control
215Aphillyated said:
So what would the most likely result be if one were to contact them for this exploit?
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The likely result is that they will laugh in your face, or tell you to go pound dirt.
No seriously, they will probably just respond is some polite manner like "we do not intend to support it at this time".
215Aphillyated said:
I mean people who know what they are doing should have access to those phone exploits if they know what they are doing...idk...just doesn't make sense why they would patch an exploit...it's like they want control
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Control, that is exactly it.
As I already said, HTC has already determined that there are some things they don't want you to access; and other things they will only allow you to do if you (potentially) void your warranty (bootloader unlock).
For one thing, s-off means that all safety checks are off. Meaning you can flash a mod meant for an entirely different device and brick the phone. This is obviously something HTC does not want.
They also have carrier interests to worry about. US carriers, in particular, don't want you to flash the radio from another carrier and migrate the phone to that other carrier.
Maybe its just me...been doing unlocking and rooting for awhile...and s-off'd plenty of my own devices and have not bricked one yet(knock on wood)guess they have to protect the ones who don't know what they are actually doing...just mad I can't pay 25$ for an app..
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Maybe its just me...been doing unlocking and rooting for awhile...and s-off'd plenty of my own devices and have not bricked one yet(knock on wood)guess they have to protect the ones who don't know what they are actually doing.
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Of course, if you are careful and do your research, you will most likely be fine doing any mod. But its the ones that don't do these things that ruin it for the rest of us. The worst, is the ones that brick their phones by trying to mods, and claim warranty service. This is really the main reason for locked bootloaders and the like. If it didn't cost HTC money, they likely would not care what you did to your phone.
Makes sense...but it sucks for us
I have modified my share of devices as well this is actually my first HTC device came from a n5 the m8 has great hardware and has a damn good ROM community.