Hello Dear XDa'er
I bought myself the HTC one X and I wanted to ask if possible in the future would be S-OFF? I dare not htcdev on the way because of the warranty.
Thank you for your answers.
Ps: sorry for my bad English
FordSierra88 said:
Hello Dear XDa'er
I bought myself the HTC one X and I wanted to ask if possible in the future would be S-OFF? I dare not htcdev on the way because of the warranty.
Thank you for your answers.
Ps: sorry for my bad English
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Only time will tell
FordSierra88 said:
Hello Dear XDa'er
I bought myself the HTC one X and I wanted to ask if possible in the future would be S-OFF? I dare not htcdev on the way because of the warranty.
Thank you for your answers.
Ps: sorry for my bad English
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S-Off is not guaranteed to come at any time. It may do, but as far as I know Revolutionary has been stumped at the latest HBoots.
Also, illegitemate S-Offing is not going to rescue your warranty necessarily, and neither is using HTC-Dev going to totally break your warranty:
http://htcdev.com/bootloader/ said:
Please understand that you will not be able to return your device to the original state and going forward your device may not be held covered under the warranty for all claims resulting from the unlocking of the bootloader. HTC bears no responsibility if your device is no longer usable afterwards.
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Their point is that they won't repair under warranty anything that breaks as a result of unlocking the bootloader.
There isn't any hard-and-fast rule here, and people have reported different experiences, but it's better than nothing!
Sorry to ask this... i consider myself not a noob on android, rooting etc, but for some reason S-OFF has passed me by... what is S-OFF?
torespen said:
Sorry to ask this... i consider myself not a noob on android, rooting etc, but for some reason S-OFF has passed me by... what is S-OFF?
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S-Off is (in my understanding) essentially full control over all partitions (including CID which controls network lock etc.), radio partitions, etc.
HTC-Dev provides a semi S-Off bootloader state, allowing you to write to all system partitions EXCEPT the above (and possibly others that I've forgotten about).
The advantages of full S-Off are: able to carrier-unlock phone for free, able to update radio without flashing official HTC ROMs, able to revert to S-On fairly simply.
With HTC-Dev, although you can "re-lock" your bootloader, the phone reports as "re-locked" rather than "locked".
(I may be making all of this up but it is my understanding based on my research).
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Their point is that they won't repair under warranty anything that breaks as a result of unlocking the bootloader.
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That would mean that your warranty would remain identical, only bricked devices wouldn't be repaired. (If you limit yourself to installing roms, that is)
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That would mean that your warranty would remain identical, only bricked devices wouldn't be repaired. (If you limit yourself to installing roms, that is)
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Problem being if you read through their examples about overclocking etc and killing your cpu. It's very easy to say that some hardware has failed due to custom rom etc.
Now I have a nooby question too. I come from a desire which was prior to bootloader-gate (oh sigh, i did one of those). AFAIK our bootloader was unlocked from the factory so we could flash stuff straight up. S-OFF was pretty easy as well so we could do whatever we wanted pretty much
AFAIK, without unlocking bootloader, the best we can do is flash stock roms and attain root (once a stock bootloader method is available) but we can't get into custom roms/kernels without unlock? I'm pretty much at the point where I want to start tinkering with things... but just wonder if it's worth waiting, or if I should just go and htcdev unlock my phone now
I am a little wary of the warranty implications above, that is the only reason i hesitate.
M.
The S stands for Security
mattman83 said:
I am a little wary of the warranty implications above, that is the only reason i hesitate.
M.
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Me too
H-Cim said:
That would mean that your warranty would remain identical, only bricked devices wouldn't be repaired. (If you limit yourself to installing roms, that is)
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Well, possibly. As mentioned above, it's possible that the manufacturer could argue that, e.g. screen issue was due to overclock of CPU, overheating of glue holding screen resulting in the problem.
In reality I doubt that would happen, as (in the UK at least) under warranty it falls on the manufacturer to prove that the problem was due to a non-warranty problem. The CPU won't "remember" that it's been overclocked, and so with a factory reset I can't see how they could tell.
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Problem being if you read through their examples about overclocking etc and killing your cpu. It's very easy to say that some hardware has failed due to custom rom etc.
Now I have a nooby question too. I come from a desire which was prior to bootloader-gate (oh sigh, i did one of those). AFAIK our bootloader was unlocked from the factory so we could flash stuff straight up. S-OFF was pretty easy as well so we could do whatever we wanted pretty much
AFAIK, without unlocking bootloader, the best we can do is flash stock roms and attain root (once a stock bootloader method is available) but we can't get into custom roms/kernels without unlock? I'm pretty much at the point where I want to start tinkering with things... but just wonder if it's worth waiting, or if I should just go and htcdev unlock my phone now
I am a little wary of the warranty implications above, that is the only reason i hesitate.
M.
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I think since HTCDev started there has been far less S-On rooting, for two reasons. First of all, why bother? We can attain mostly-S-Off "legitimately" so why waste energy working out how to root S-On. Secondly, the lock-down of the OS has got better with every iteration, and, at least on recent phones, no hack has been discovered (again, there's less incentive to try due to HTCDev).
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The S stands for Security
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D'oh, meant to type that and forgot. Lol
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I think since HTCDev started there has been far less S-On rooting, for two reasons. First of all, why bother? We can attain mostly-S-Off "legitimately" so why waste energy working out how to root S-On. Secondly, the lock-down of the OS has got better with every iteration, and, at least on recent phones, no hack has been discovered (again, there's less incentive to try due to HTCDev).
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Point taken
So basically it's harder to do than ever and less incentive to do than ever. Solution... go do htcdev I actually signed up for the site a while reading the thread, just waiting for the (apparently very slow) confirmation email. No work tomorrow due to good friday so I suspect my phone might get some ARHD love
I think warranty laws in australia are similar to what you say. Using non-genuine ink in printer they can't void your entire warranty, only if they can prove the ink was the issue. Slightly different issue, it's not like you've just hacked your printer firmware to increase print speeds or something... but I get what you mean.
M.
Edit - signed up again on different email and got activation stuff immediately - silly. Noticed they need to update the unlock page though... first step "remove and reinsert the battery" heh
Edit 2 - all done
xmoo said:
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I thought it stood for 'Safety'
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Excellent explanation and discussion by qpop and mattman on S-off thing. All I needed to know as new HTC user.
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For those waiting for S-OFF by Revolutionary, it looks like you are very unlikely to get it. Baadnewz just asked in the #alpharev channel if the One would get S-OFF:
[19:46] <baadnewz> IEF you have any plans for ONE ? :B
[19:46] <baadnewz> (kick incoming)
[19:47] <burgd> To Krait or not To Krait
[19:56] <_anonymous> you got one bnz?
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[20:13] * baadnewz is now known as baad_away
[20:17] * zookii ([email protected]/zookii) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
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[20:20] <@IEF> baad_away: One X is pretty unlikely, we focus on qualcomm stuff.
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That's a real shame that. I guess now it's either HTCDev or nothing.
Odd reply, the XL (or X 4G) is going to be the far less popular device, I don't know why you would intentionally look at something that's going to get that much less usage?
M.
Evil-Dragon said:
For those waiting for S-OFF by Revolutionary, it looks like you are very unlikely to get it. Baadnewz just asked in the #alpharev channel if the One would get S-OFF:
That's a real shame that. I guess now it's either HTCDev or nothing.
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That is a shame.. Guess I'll roll with S-ON in a few days if there's no word of any further progress.
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Well according to Paul over at Modaco, S-Off is being worked on.
http://android.modaco.com/topic/352...s-mac-and-linux/page__p__1932154#entry1932154
f3nd3r said:
Well according to Paul over at Modaco, S-Off is being worked on.
http://android.modaco.com/topic/352...s-mac-and-linux/page__p__1932154#entry1932154
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Cool, anyone know if it will be possible to go from S-ON to S-OFF?
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Might as well reply here, then.
The One X is a completely different architecture (nvidia tegra), with it's own set of restrictions/security measures. Therefore, it felt it was not wise to get peoples' hopes up, and simply said it's 'unlikely'. There's really no point in asking for 'plans', you don't plan on finding exploits.
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Odd reply, the XL (or X 4G) is going to be the far less popular device, I don't know why you would intentionally look at something that's going to get that much less usage?
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There's One S and One XL which run on Snapdragon S4. Who says it will be 'far less popular' ? Because you say so?
If you knew a bit about architectural differences and our focus on Qualcomm-chipset phones in the past, then maybe you wouldn't find the reply so odd. I find your reply superficial. Does that help the discussion? Nope.
Sorry if I offended, that was not my intention. I'm a huge fan of what you've done in the past (being a Desire user). I do appreciate the difference between the phones and I get that even though the UI is basically identical, alot of the underlying parts are vastly different.
I also get that you do have more experience with the qualcomm since that's where you've focused in the past (and also the provider HTC have used most - the tegra is a little different for them).
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i will not be held responsible for bricks..
enter bootloader mode.
fastboot oem unlock
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Do you have a Retail Desire that you have tried this on?
Yep how could you confirm it works if the retail phone is not available before 2 weeks?
This all seems a bit risky to me. It's pretty obvious that no one has seen a retail Desire on these forums yet. We can't even be sure what colour it is or whether it is branded in any way.
I hope it has been rooted but let's wait for some confirmation first. We don't want any expensive bricks.
If the fastboot oem unlock command is available, then I'm sure it will be similar to the Nexus, where it actually voids your warranty! And, currently the nexus devs have not found a way to re-lock to bootloader.
well, if this is real than I´m thinking about buying the desire,too.. although the samsung galaxy s is really interesting as well
but if I wait for the galaxy S another phone will probably be announced that is even better than the galaxy s and i have to wait again for that one and so on and so on
desire with root access will do i guess!!
marsdroid said:
i will not be held responsible for bricks..
be warned
Download and extract DesireRoot.zip below ..enter bootloader mode..
Then on windows cmd to extracted zip folder and then :
fastboot oem unlock
fastboot flash boot desireboot.img
reboot
and then you have root. muheh
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thx to ALL who made this happend.
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I will be surprised if this works as it has been stated by many that oem unlock is not present on the stock retail images found on the desire.
Hopfully for those who want a desire, there is an easy means to unlock/root but if the Desire is as locked down as the Nexus (beyond oem unlock) some people are going to have to get creative.
I wonder what HTC's stance on unlocked Desires will be if oem unlock is not present...will they be more strict than with the nexus since you really have to go out of your way? They may not even check to see if it's unlocked if there isn't a built-in means to do so...
curious.
With regards to warranty, you hear a lot that doing this, that or the other will void a warranty. The reality is that the party you hold a contract of sale with has the onus of proving that what you did caused a fault before they can refuse to repair or replace an given item, phones included.
That said, I will not be rooting my Desire until I see that it has been done by quite a lot of people and seems safe(ish)
This site also claims to have found a way to root the HTC Desire
knowyourcell.com/htc/htc-desire/desire-guides/443113/how_to_root_the_htc_desire.html
farnsbarns said:
With regards to warranty, you hear a lot that doing this, that or the other will void a warranty. The reality is that the party you hold a contract of sale with has the onus of proving that what you did caused a fault before they can refuse to repair or replace an given item, phones included.
That said, I will not be rooting my Desire until I see that it has been done by quite a lot of people and seems safe(ish)
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While that is very true, if you are without your phone for an extended period of time while you explain to HTC that they have to warranty your device because of obvious hardware problems, things may not be all happy-go-lucky. Most don't have a spare phone sitting about in case their primary goes tits up.
anders4431 said:
This site also claims to have found a way to root the HTC Desire
knowyourcell.com/htc/htc-desire/desire-guides/443113/how_to_root_the_htc_desire.html
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That site actually forgot to remove all the Nexus One labeling before publishing the article. It was posted somewhere else (I believe in the nexus one forums) before they edited the article to say "Desire".
keep an eye on that page and see how fast it vanishes if/when oem unlock is not present
I've wrote the how-to in Italian
http://www.tuttoandroid.net/android/guida-permessi-di-root-su-htc-desire-5085/
who`s first ?
Have any DEVs looked at this file ?? can anyone say its legit ..??
there seems to be a few of us who will be eager to try tommorow, but who will root first ?
Im not going to let anything like this come near my phone till I know the stuff works...
I do want to root it so i can save to SD and so on but not at the risk of some very questionable software.
So... Has anyone had the nerve yet to root the desire yet?
I suspect there are a couple of devs on the case at the moment...
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N1 owners want the final ROM
Anyone tried yet ?
Yeah ive tried it, no luck im afraid
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Yeah ive tried it, no luck im afraid
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Sometimes it sucks being right :/ Sorry!
This just means some devs are going to have to great quite creative
only had the phone 2days now , and i want root.... i`ve been using my rooted g1 for 16mnths and miss the whole changing roms already !!... hope somebody picks this up quick
anyone brave enough to try this method ??
http://www.knowyourcell.com/htc/htc-desire/desire-guides/443113/how_to_root_the_htc_desire.html
Guys i am torn. One minute i want to unlock through HTC dev website but on the other hand i want to wait for the S-OFF exploit. Not just that, wondering if i unlock will i still be able to get OTA updates still? I know i will do from what i read but few more confirmations would probably ease my mind.
Had a year my galaxy s2 and was lucky enough that the s2 was already unlocked. Not a stranger to rooting but coming over to the HTC One x and reading on instructions on how to root kinda gets me worried.
What do you think guys? Development i am sure will be picking up but do you think it is worth to unlock through the dev site and if so why please.
Many thanks.
The OneX is really easy to root and the nvidia tegra tweak is well worth it
The One X honestly isn't that hard to root.
Just need to unlock the bootloader - then install recovery and then obviously flash a rooted ROM.
Great instructions from bagofcrap24 here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1592355
The best thing for me after rooting was getting rid of the three dot menu button that takes up screen space on some apps. Using LeeDroid's ROM, I now have the Recent Apps button mapped to Menu and long pressing Home mapped to Recent Apps.
gifton1 said:
The One X honestly isn't that hard to root.
Just need to unlock the bootloader - then install recovery and then obviously flash a rooted ROM.
Great instructions from bagofcrap24 here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1592355
The best thing for me after rooting was getting rid of the three dot menu button that takes up screen space on some apps. Using LeeDroid's ROM, I now have the Recent Apps button mapped to Menu and long pressing Home mapped to Recent Apps.
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i know mate...it is really a question of when to do it...i mean i do not get as to why they do not come unlocked already though...what is the big deal of them locking the bootloader..that is one of the things that made me go for the s2 over the sensation. cause it was so easy to root through odin. might do it today and unlock and root
Waiting for our great developers to unlock it.
Not a fan of the whole warranty thing via the official HTC unlock tool...
Foggy79 said:
Waiting for our great developers to unlock it.
Not a fan of the whole warranty thing via the official HTC unlock tool...
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see that is the problem that is holding me back Foggy mate. some people say it does not void your warranty some say it does. The actual website says it does void your warranty...Kinda confusing if you ask me. I mean i had my s2 for a whole year before i sold it and it never died on me. But i am really not willing to take the risk with the HOX just yet.
NoobTerminator said:
see that is the problem that is holding me back Foggy mate. some people say it does not void your warranty some say it does. The actual website says it does void your warranty...Kinda confusing if you ask me. I mean i had my s2 for a whole year before i sold it and it never died on me. But i am really not willing to take the risk with the HOX just yet.
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To be fair it says
"It is our responsibility to caution you that not all claims resulting or caused by or from the unlocking of the bootloader may be covered under warranty."
I think there's def the emphasis on "resulting or caused by or from the unlocking of the bootloader"
So if yo have a warranty issue that isn't affected by unlocking the bootloader you should be fine.
Foggy79 said:
Waiting for our great developers to unlock it.
Not a fan of the whole warranty thing via the official HTC unlock tool...
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So if yo have a warranty issue that isn't affected by unlocking the bootloader you should be fine.
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And who will decide if your problem comes or doesn't come from unlocking and doing stuff on it?
Thats my point, it's just to easy for a repair center to say "yup that is possibly caused by unlocking and moddifying your device".
It voids your warranty if they decide to do so, if they even slightly suspect the unlock/modding has anything to do with the failure.
It's your word against theirs...
Like I said, not in a hurry, the Devs will get it unlocked anyway, just a matter of time, and that way I don't have to worry about warranty.
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And who will decide if your problem comes or doesn't come from unlocking and doing stuff on it?
Thats my point, it's just to easy for a repair center to say "yup that is possibly caused by unlocking and moddifying your device".
It voids your warranty if they decide to do so, if they even slightly suspect the unlock/modding has anything to do with the failure.
It's your word against theirs...
Like I said, not in a hurry, the Devs will get it unlocked anyway, just a matter of time, and that way I don't have to worry about warranty.
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spot on with that mate. hence why i opened this thread cause you do not know what might be said hence why this is the only bad thing about the HOX that it does not come with an unlock bootloader
anyone had any news on how far through they are with unlocking the bootloader. I really want to get the battery fix installed but am also a little weary about the warranty thing. I got a feeling that if they know your bootloaders been unlocked theyll end up blaming that for the failure even if it wasnt due to it. Saying that my other tab has the htcdev site open so im currently back and fore about using the htcdev site.
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spot on with that mate. hence why i opened this thread cause you do not know what might be said hence why this is the only bad thing about the HOX that it does not come with an unlock bootloader
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Kinda understand why they want to lock it, and offer an unlock with certain warranty issues..
They need to cover themselves ofcourse, otherwise everyone with a bricked device (due to their own fault mostly) is sending back their device for a free repair
I'm happy they left backdoors (official and possible non-official) to unlock the bootloader, think if they want they could have just closed up everything to have it never unlocked again
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anyone had any news on how far through they are with unlocking the bootloader. I really want to get the battery fix installed but am also a little weary about the warranty thing. I got a feeling that if they know your bootloaders been unlocked theyll end up blaming that for the failure even if it wasnt due to it. Saying that my other tab has the htcdev site open so im currently back and fore about using the htcdev site.
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If you can use your device without any major issues i'dd wait a bit. The device is only 2 weeks out and i'm sure ppl are on to it, we need to give them some time, no need to rush things.
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Kinda understand why they want to lock it, and offer an unlock with certain warranty issues..
They need to cover themselves ofcourse, otherwise everyone with a bricked device (due to their own fault mostly) is sending back their device for a free repair
I'm happy they left backdoors (official and possible non-official) to unlock the bootloader, think if they want they could have just closed up everything to have it never unlocked again
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true true. and yeah we kinda forget sometimes that this phone has only been out two weeks now. i love it specially i got my replacement and is grey or shall i say Gun Grey Metallic.. love saying that. And probs best to wait for the exploit. Kiinda similar to the chainfire app he has for the s2 now. thanks mate and stock anyway is running well for now...but i am getting itches to flash..so many sexy roms out there
I really want to root so I can lock Sense in memory but I am going to hold off until the screen banding issue is resolved. I am confident it will be fixed by an OTA but if it isn't I don't want to create any excuse not to honour the warranty.
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Chartist said:
I really want to root so I can lock Sense in memory but I am going to hold off until the screen banding issue is resolved. I am confident it will be fixed by an OTA but if it isn't I don't want to create any excuse not to honour the warranty.
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i want to root as well mate to get rid of all the bloatware. i mean even disabling stuff does not really give me confidence enough that some of the services are frozen and take up memory..anyway i can still can be patient and wait..love this phone
Guys, if you think your device so far got no hardware issues, It's time to unlock. Getting rid of the annoying menu button alone is a big reason enough to unlock.
Been switching ROMs already for a couple of days and it's fun, the excitement is high lol. Anyway, there is still no custom kernels yet for overclocking so you don't need to worry of frying your CPU. Customization and theming won't hurt your hardware.
So there, go for it, UNLOCK!
Btw, don't flame for my advice lol.
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Guys, if you think your device so far got no hardware issues, It's time to unlock. Getting rid of the annoying menu button alone is a big reason enough to unlock.
Been switching ROMs already for a couple of days and it's fun, the excitement is high lol. Anyway, there is still no custom kernels yet for overclocking so you don't need to worry of frying your CPU. Customization and theming won't hurt your hardware.
So there, go for it, UNLOCK!
Btw, don't flame for my advice lol.
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might hold off for a little while longer. hopefully we shall see some AOKP roms
I would say unlock, your warranty will still cover hardware issues and well software issues, you can fix them yourself
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might hold off for a little while longer. hopefully we shall see some AOKP roms
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I see your predicament! it is a tough one.
Would love to see AOKP as well. Watched an interview with Roman tho and he didnt seem too interested in the One x for some reason and said there were no current plans to develop for it. Although, even if they dont support the One X officially, it will hopefully get ported at some point.
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I see your predicament! it is a tough one.
Would love to see AOKP as well. Watched an interview with Roman tho and he didnt seem too interested in the One x for some reason and said there were no current plans to develop for it. Although, even if they dont support the One X officially, it will hopefully get ported at some point.
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well we could only hope..i will be honest i kinda have a slight regret selling my s2 as the development for that handset is smoking hot at the moment. but regarding my HOX i am kinda itching to unlock but on the other hand voices tell me to wait for a few more days..i know development will be huge for this phone as it is the flagship. but there are few niggly things that are starting to annoy me and that might push me towards unlocking through HTC dev site
i mean stock as it is at the moment i am more than happy with..but like any phone this has some minor issues but hoping that the update we are waiting for will sort this for me
Not sure if this is the correct forum, but wondered what everyone thinks HTC are doing regarding the Unlocking of the HTC One X using HTCDev.com.
To me, on one hand its great that they are providing this service but on the other the downsides (warranty void & no updates) goes against the whole "Our phones are for Developers/Power Users".
On top of that, even when unlocking the phones using their service, there is no "easy way" to root the phones (without flashing a new/custom rom) and the inability to S-Off further goes against the whole mentality.
Either I really don't understand what HTC are trying to achieve? The cynic in me thinks this is just a "buy our phone its great for developers/power users" without actually giving away what we REALLY want.
IMHO, unlocking through HTCDev.com should unlock the bootloader, give S-Off and all that lovely stuff. I understand why they would void the warranty (bar any hardware faults of course!) but if I paid for the tech, I do feel I should be able to do what I want with it!
Just my 2 pence.
agento said:
IMHO, unlocking through HTCDev.com should unlock the bootloader, give S-Off and all that lovely stuff. I understand why they would void the warranty (bar any hardware faults of course!) but if I paid for the tech, I do feel I should be able to do what I want with it!
Just my 2 pence.
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I can understand what you mean, and i agree, but from HTCs point of view, they just don't want idiots going and bricking their phone, and then sending to HTC and expect them to fix it for free under warranty, if they didn't state that it may void your warranty, this would 100% happen. And would cost HTC a lot of dough.
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I can understand what you mean, and i agree, but from HTCs point of view, they just don't want idiots going and bricking their phone, and then sending to HTC and expect them to fix it for free under warranty, if they didn't state that it may void your warranty, this would 100% happen. And would cost HTC a lot of dough.
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Absolutely, but anyone wanting to do this should be able to. People wanting to do this on XDA the percentage is high, but in general (ie vast majority of people) will never even know whats possible, let alone want to do it. It does take a certain amount of skill/knowledge to go through the process. If it were as straightforward as a menu option on the phone to S-Off it would be a nightmare for HTC.
Secondly, how is using HTCDev.com to unlock your bootloader THAT DIFFERENT from using HTCDev.com to unlock your bootloader AND get S-OFF? They still track your Device ID for warrantly issues (not a problem for me, not sure about others) so wether you screw up your phone using one or the other, its still not at an expense to HTC?
S-OFF allows you to alter the baseband and settings. You can do things you're not legally allowed to do in most countries and you can near enough permanently brick your phone. It isn't too surprising that htcdev doesn't give you full unlocked S-OFF.
It would be nice if htcdev didn't affect your warranty and gave you S-OFF but I can understand why they don't do it. The existing htcdev unlock gives you most of what a developer or user would want.
agento said:
Absolutely, but anyone wanting to do this should be able to. People wanting to do this on XDA the percentage is high, but in general (ie vast majority of people) will never even know whats possible, let alone want to do it.
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Just take a look at the amount of threads with the same questions concerning flashing/root/unlocking in the General and Q&A forum and you'll see that what you just said is actually very far from reality
With that said, if HTC didn't provide HTCDev, we would still be figuring ways to crack the thing right here, and nobody would be working on ROMs as they are now~
It's like HTC wants to be the "cool" dev-friendly phone builder, but are scared of the financial repercussions of millions of customers bricking their phones. It ends up being half-assed.
Yeah, they give us HTCdev.com, but why not just ship the phone with the bootloader unlocked? The people who will never hear about htcdev.com won't be doing anything with their phones that concerns the bootloader, anyway.
Why is rooting HTC devices so scary? Both my SGS1 and SGS2 were rooted in about 10 minutes with no skipped heartbeats or hours of waiting for a battery to charge with no indication that it's done charging!
Rooting this thing was terrifying. Maybe because it's been a LONG time since I paid completely out of pocket for an unlocked international device. All my other phones after the G1 were carrier variants and I was covered by insurance if anything happened.
nooomoto said:
The people who will never hear about htcdev.com won't be doing anything with their phones that concerns the bootloader, anyway.
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Like the majority of smartphone users, they do not care to read up nor care about the differences of S-Off/unlocked bootloader/root.
Just ask any iPhone user who has a jailbroken device. Why do they do it? To pirate games mostly. People will do things just cos it's there, even when there's nothing that they actually want.
Other HTC devices had their bootloaders hacked and unlocked, S-Off'd and rooted without HTC's help. Give it a little time, and HTCDev will just be an afterthought for most of us here.
Personally, I'm just waiting for unofficial way to unlock bootloader and S-Off so HTC does not have a record of me doing it through HTCDev, hence voiding my warranty
Did the firewater method for S-off and it keeps saying " device has been patched by HTC, your out of luck!!!." is there any way to get by this? im new to HTC devices so im a little thrown off
elvisp0129 said:
Did the firewater method for S-off and it keeps saying " device has been patched by HTC, your out of luck!!!." is there any way to get by this? im new to HTC devices so im a little thrown off
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I believe htc patched the last update, so would need to downgrade but not sure how you can downgrade when s-on.
There is a Bounty thread for a fix. Check my signature.
Someone correct me, cause I'm sure I'm wrong, my idea can't be right because it seems too easy/logical...
If HTC is the one who patched out firewater, wouldn't the next stop on the logic train be to assume that they want you to s-off on the HTCdev site so they can note the warranty voided??
I've been s-off since before this device even hit the market locally, so firewater worked fine...I'm just throwing darts to try and help.
Thoughts?
Exactly, it's not that easy. HTCDev will only let you unlock the bootloader, which is enough for many things, but is not the same as S-OFF. HTC doesn't provide any official way to the public for setting the device to S-OFF.
AGKdrOId said:
Someone correct me, cause I'm sure I'm wrong, my idea can't be right because it seems too easy/logical...
If HTC is the one who patched out firewater, wouldn't the next stop on the logic train be to assume that they want you to s-off on the HTCdev site so they can note the warranty voided??
I've been s-off since before this device even hit the market locally, so firewater worked fine...I'm just throwing darts to try and help.
Thoughts?
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It seems that way, but I don't use logic when it comes to large corporations.
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HTC doesn't provide any official way to the public for setting the device to S-OFF.
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They should though... Why deny it just so that people go with "questionable" means to exploit a system in order to do the things they want to do with the device they paid a crap load of money for.
One would think by now that companies would realise that they'll never be "fully" in front when it comes to "battles" like these, whenever they implement a new security measure, there's already someone out there with the skills to exploit it! If they exploited it by "unofficial" means, then logically they would want to cover their tracks as well leading to a form of fraud i.e hiding flags/banners that show that you did S-OFF and Unlocked, it causes problems for other users if they were to buy a device like that(2nd hand for example) or even if you handed it in as such to HTC and they refurb and resell a device that says it's one thing where in fact it's something entirely different.
Why not grant unlocked bootloader, S-OFF AND Root access on all devices and sell it as is? You can put plenty of security warnings up to warn someone about the potential danger and/or damage they can cause if they don't use it properly.
Software related issues and/or bricks can be covered seperately with warranty(perhaps a small increase in price to cover it, if it's software related, HTC can fix it easy), hardware problems on the other hand won't necessarily come about because some wanna be couldn't read a ROM installation thread properly.
It's silly if you ask me. You should be able to buy the device with the ability to have an unlocked bootloader, root access and S-OFF, out of the box! You should then be well aware that IF something happens as a result of your own negligence that you'll have to pay a bit more to get it fixed, period. There should be a warning and agreement, if you agree to those terms then you can't cry to anyone if you mess up.
But that's my opinion though.
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BerndM14 said:
It's silly if you ask me. You should be able to buy the device with the ability to have an unlocked bootloader, root access and S-OFF, out of the box! You should then be well aware that IF something happens as a result of your own negligence that you'll have to pay a bit more to get it fixed, period. There should be a warning and agreement, if you agree to those terms then you can't cry to anyone if you mess up.
But that's my opinion though.
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I agree with you - in principle. The problem is that you expect users who click that "I agree" button to actually accept responsibility for their actions if they sc*** up. And often they don't.
I have seen it again and again in the Asus Transformer forums. You can download an apk from Asus to unlock the bootloader but that app also phones home and voids your warranty (which is clearly explained in the agreement). Quite a few users who mostly didn't bother to do enough research blamed Asus for providing a tool to unlock the BL, but then refused to support them if they bricked their device. Some sent it in for warranty repair and some actually succeeded - probably because the tech did not pay attention to the unlocked bootloader - basically making Asus pay for a mistake they made. These things happen and people just tend to try to find someone to blame for their own shortcomings.
So I do understand that they make it difficult - and I do agree: They can't win this game... Someone will find a way
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I agree with you - in principle. The problem is that you expect users who click that "I agree" button to actually accept responsibility for their actions if they sc*** up. And often they don't.
I have seen it again and again in the Asus Transformer forums. You can download an apk from Asus to unlock the bootloader but that app also phones home and voids your warranty (which is clearly explained in the agreement). Quite a few users who mostly didn't bother to do enough research blamed Asus for providing a tool to unlock the BL, but then refused to support them if they bricked their device. Some sent it in for warranty repair and some actually succeeded - probably because the tech did not pay attention to the unlocked bootloader - basically making Asus pay for a mistake they made. These things happen and people just tend to try to find someone to blame for the own shortcomings.
So I do understand that they make it difficult - and I do agree: They can't win this game... Someone will find a way
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Agreed. The main issue is the common person not doing research on these things and even IF they do some reading they don't even read properly. Most of the problems they encounter are self-made problems.
Perhaps giving an option in store for those things would be better then, like I said they could even "increase" the price a bit for the warranty/insurance IF you choose to go with an unlocked, rooted and S-OFF'd device...Oh well, pure speculation though, it's not like it'll ever happen.
Oh and you have an awesome name Bernd :good:
BerndM14 said:
Oh and you have an awesome name Bernd :good:
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I agree! So do you! Also German immigrant? :victory:
berndblb said:
I agree! So do you! Also German immigrant? :victory:
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Yes and no... Parents are Germans and came to South Africa, I was born here.
We all know sunshine is the (paid) method to achieve s-off as of right now...my question has anyone thought about contacting HTC to have them do this exploit?25$ is not an option for me at this point...not sure about the rest of the m8 world...and thanks for all answers...postive or negative
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my question has anyone thought about contacting HTC to have them do this exploit?
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No. HTC made the phone s-on intentionally. There are simply things they don't want you to access. HTC goes to great effort and expense to plug existing exploits (like firewater). They aren't going to make an exploit for their own security flag!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2948595
So what would the most likely result be if one were to contact them for this exploit?I mean people who know what they are doing should have access to those phone exploits if they know what they are doing...idk...just doesn't make sense why they would patch an exploit...it's like they want control
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So what would the most likely result be if one were to contact them for this exploit?
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The likely result is that they will laugh in your face, or tell you to go pound dirt.
No seriously, they will probably just respond is some polite manner like "we do not intend to support it at this time".
215Aphillyated said:
I mean people who know what they are doing should have access to those phone exploits if they know what they are doing...idk...just doesn't make sense why they would patch an exploit...it's like they want control
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Control, that is exactly it.
As I already said, HTC has already determined that there are some things they don't want you to access; and other things they will only allow you to do if you (potentially) void your warranty (bootloader unlock).
For one thing, s-off means that all safety checks are off. Meaning you can flash a mod meant for an entirely different device and brick the phone. This is obviously something HTC does not want.
They also have carrier interests to worry about. US carriers, in particular, don't want you to flash the radio from another carrier and migrate the phone to that other carrier.
Maybe its just me...been doing unlocking and rooting for awhile...and s-off'd plenty of my own devices and have not bricked one yet(knock on wood)guess they have to protect the ones who don't know what they are actually doing...just mad I can't pay 25$ for an app..
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Maybe its just me...been doing unlocking and rooting for awhile...and s-off'd plenty of my own devices and have not bricked one yet(knock on wood)guess they have to protect the ones who don't know what they are actually doing.
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Of course, if you are careful and do your research, you will most likely be fine doing any mod. But its the ones that don't do these things that ruin it for the rest of us. The worst, is the ones that brick their phones by trying to mods, and claim warranty service. This is really the main reason for locked bootloaders and the like. If it didn't cost HTC money, they likely would not care what you did to your phone.
Makes sense...but it sucks for us
I have modified my share of devices as well this is actually my first HTC device came from a n5 the m8 has great hardware and has a damn good ROM community.