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Does US Cellular Desire have Root

I know it was only released yesterday, but I know nothing about the current Desire models. I come from the realm of CDMA Hero's and am moving to the Samsung Epic. My brother just picked up a desire and wants to root it.
Is the current Desire a GSM or CDMA phone?
And has anyone who has gotten the new USC Desire, have you tried the current root method to see if it works. I have doubts that it will.

I am going to assume after looking through this forum a little bit that the current model being developed for here is GSM.

The US Cellular Desire is the first CDMA phone to be called "HTC Desire". Tread carefully. But please also report any positive/negative results so that others can learn from your win/fail.

cmstlist said:
The US Cellular Desire is the first CDMA phone to be called "HTC Desire". Tread carefully. But please also report any positive/negative results so that others can learn from your win/fail.
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Thankfully I am pretty Android savvy. I just wasn't sure if it was CDMA or GSM - No radio updates for this phone .
If the current root method does not work I will attempt the ones for other devices running 2.1 and might even try the new EVO/Epic root for 2.2.
I'll get this thing rooted if I have to find my own.

Kcarpenter said:
Thankfully I am pretty Android savvy. I just wasn't sure if it was CDMA or GSM - No radio updates for this phone .
If the current root method does not work I will attempt the ones for other devices running 2.1 and might even try the new EVO/Epic root for 2.2.
I'll get this thing rooted if I have to find my own.
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I can't wait to get my US Cellular Desire and I'm really hoping for root. Let us know if you have any luck.

So what are the actual chances that it will work on the uscc desire? I got mine so I guess ill just have to try it tonight.

The us desire has a bootloader 0.98.xxxx you will have to downgrade to a different hboot plus I'm pretty sure all the roms only support a gsm radio.

Odd_Sam said:
The us desire has a bootloader 0.98.xxxx you will have to downgrade to a different hboot plus I'm pretty sure all the roms only support a gsm radio.
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Again, tread with caution... if a different HBOOT bricks the phone... there's not much recourse!

From what I have read/observed, the USCC Desire is basically the same phone as the Nexus One. I would like to know what is different about this thing that would prevent me from rooting and/or upgrading to 2.2.
Anyone have any advice? I can't wait to upgrade this piece.

CreepingDeath said:
From what I have read/observed, the USCC Desire is basically the same phone as the Nexus One. I would like to know what is different about this thing that would prevent me from rooting and/or upgrading to 2.2.
Anyone have any advice? I can't wait to upgrade this piece.
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Well, Desire is CDMA. Nexus one is not. completely different cellular radio HARDWARE. and that pesky slcd is also a problem.
Gonna have better luck adapting a cdma android root. (incredible, evo, etc..) at least they use the same radio technology.
i thought the incredible was supposed to get the slcd also...... that would help alot.

I know this doesn't provide any technical information, but just as an FYI I did ask HTC what their policy on rooting is. They said:
"Of course the Desire is your phone. If you would like to root the phone or install 3rd party software to it, you are more than welcome to. It's just that with any 3rd party software, HTC did not create it so we do not have information on how it works therefore, we can not support it. As far as voiding any warranties, I do not have that information. You may contact our Warranty Deparment at 1-800-229-1235 (8:30 AM - 5 PM EST M-F). They will be able to verify that information with you. HTC has repaired some phones that had the incorrect ROM on them. There may have been a fee for this, I am not certain."
I hadn't gotten around to calling about the warranty. I had read elsewhere that as long as the damage wasn't a result of the rooting that they would still repair a rooted phone under warranty, but I don't know if there's any truth to that.
Anyway, I don't know if this helps alleviate any concerns about experimenting with it or not. I had gotten as far as making a gold card for it yesterday, but I'm kind of afraid to go any further until I can get some more information on this specific phone. I feel like there may be a chance with this method since it takes information from your actual device. Anyone have any thoughts on that?

psychache said:
I know this doesn't provide any technical information, but just as an FYI I did ask HTC what their policy on rooting is. They said:
"Of course the Desire is your phone. If you would like to root the phone or install 3rd party software to it, you are more than welcome to. It's just that with any 3rd party software, HTC did not create it so we do not have information on how it works therefore, we can not support it. As far as voiding any warranties, I do not have that information. You may contact our Warranty Deparment at 1-800-229-1235 (8:30 AM - 5 PM EST M-F). They will be able to verify that information with you. HTC has repaired some phones that had the incorrect ROM on them. There may have been a fee for this, I am not certain."
I hadn't gotten around to calling about the warranty. I had read elsewhere that as long as the damage wasn't a result of the rooting that they would still repair a rooted phone under warranty, but I don't know if there's any truth to that.
Anyway, I don't know if this helps alleviate any concerns about experimenting with it or not. I had gotten as far as making a gold card for it yesterday, but I'm kind of afraid to go any further until I can get some more information on this specific phone. I feel like there may be a chance with this method since it takes information from your actual device. Anyone have any thoughts on that?
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Once you make a gold card, which rooting technique are you going try? Unrevoked is the simplest overall but I think HBOOT 0.98 fixed the exploit that Unrevoked uses.

I tried unrevoked the other day and it said that it was unsupported. I don't know that I'll go as far as trying to root at this point. I was kind of hoping that someone else would try it first, ha . . . Initially I was doing the gold card just to see if I could at least unbrand it so I could install the OTA update. But then I run into the original issue of whether or not it supports CDMA and/or SLCD. Is there any way to tell aside from actually attempting to flash it? Maybe it would be safer to try one of the methods for the Incredible? Not sure what version of HBOOT that has on it. Honestly, I'm pretty far from being any kind of expert on this. So far I've only had experience with rooting the Moto Droid and that was pretty much cake since the phone is so old at this point.

psychache said:
I tried unrevoked the other day and it said that it was unsupported. I don't know that I'll go as far as trying to root at this point. I was kind of hoping that someone else would try it first, ha . . . Initially I was doing the gold card just to see if I could at least unbrand it so I could install the OTA update. But then I run into the original issue of whether or not it supports CDMA and/or SLCD. Is there any way to tell aside from actually attempting to flash it? Maybe it would be safer to try one of the methods for the Incredible? Not sure what version of HBOOT that has on it. Honestly, I'm pretty far from being any kind of expert on this. So far I've only had experience with rooting the Moto Droid and that was pretty much cake since the phone is so old at this point.
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There's only one set of RUU that support CDMA at this point. Pretty much any other attempt will brick your desire. You could try one of those RUU's and see if it downgrades where you could root then.

Yeah, I think I'm going to wait until some sort of tested method is worked out. I'm not at any kind of skill level to be figuring this stuff out on my own. Overall I'm pretty pleased with how the phone worked right out of the box. My only major complaint is the lack of internal storage for apps and the fact that you can't remove any of the preinstalled crap. This is the only reason I was really even looking into rooting or unlocking at this point. I just hope that the fact that the EVO and Incredible got their updates means that one can't be far off for the Desire.

psychache - I feel ya there. I got mine and I love it. However, was kinda skiddish on testing on this new unit. Whether or not the insurance would cover it if I bricked it. Even then, would still be another $100 deductible.

I am willing to try something. I already tried the Universal Androot to no avail... no brick or anything, it just didnt take.

Well, if anyone else is up to the challenge you could always call the number I posted above to get a definite answer on whether you would still have coverage if you did brick. I had actually had several replies back and forth with them before I asked specifically about rooting and was very impressed by how responsive and open-minded they were. I'd say of any of the manufacturers they're probably the most likely to be "cool" about it. And you're right, primerorico, worst case scenario is you could do an insurance claim and pay the $100 (you know, because you "lost" it). I know that's not cheap but it's a heck of a lot less than paying the full retail for a new one. Just food for thought for anyone who actually knows what they're doing . . . (unlike myself)

Someone has made some progress in rooting. Not sure if he needs some help but here is the thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=7917553

heavymetalmage said:
Someone has made some progress in rooting. Not sure if he needs some help but here is the thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=7917553
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Thanks for the link. I'll definitely keep an eye on it.

[Q] Will be possible in future S-OFF?

Hello Dear XDa'er
I bought myself the HTC one X and I wanted to ask if possible in the future would be S-OFF? I dare not htcdev on the way because of the warranty.
Thank you for your answers.
Ps: sorry for my bad English

FordSierra88 said:
Hello Dear XDa'er
I bought myself the HTC one X and I wanted to ask if possible in the future would be S-OFF? I dare not htcdev on the way because of the warranty.
Thank you for your answers.
Ps: sorry for my bad English
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Only time will tell

FordSierra88 said:
Hello Dear XDa'er
I bought myself the HTC one X and I wanted to ask if possible in the future would be S-OFF? I dare not htcdev on the way because of the warranty.
Thank you for your answers.
Ps: sorry for my bad English
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S-Off is not guaranteed to come at any time. It may do, but as far as I know Revolutionary has been stumped at the latest HBoots.
Also, illegitemate S-Offing is not going to rescue your warranty necessarily, and neither is using HTC-Dev going to totally break your warranty:
http://htcdev.com/bootloader/ said:
Please understand that you will not be able to return your device to the original state and going forward your device may not be held covered under the warranty for all claims resulting from the unlocking of the bootloader. HTC bears no responsibility if your device is no longer usable afterwards.
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Their point is that they won't repair under warranty anything that breaks as a result of unlocking the bootloader.
There isn't any hard-and-fast rule here, and people have reported different experiences, but it's better than nothing!

Sorry to ask this... i consider myself not a noob on android, rooting etc, but for some reason S-OFF has passed me by... what is S-OFF?

torespen said:
Sorry to ask this... i consider myself not a noob on android, rooting etc, but for some reason S-OFF has passed me by... what is S-OFF?
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S-Off is (in my understanding) essentially full control over all partitions (including CID which controls network lock etc.), radio partitions, etc.
HTC-Dev provides a semi S-Off bootloader state, allowing you to write to all system partitions EXCEPT the above (and possibly others that I've forgotten about).
The advantages of full S-Off are: able to carrier-unlock phone for free, able to update radio without flashing official HTC ROMs, able to revert to S-On fairly simply.
With HTC-Dev, although you can "re-lock" your bootloader, the phone reports as "re-locked" rather than "locked".
(I may be making all of this up but it is my understanding based on my research).

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Their point is that they won't repair under warranty anything that breaks as a result of unlocking the bootloader.
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That would mean that your warranty would remain identical, only bricked devices wouldn't be repaired. (If you limit yourself to installing roms, that is)

H-Cim said:
That would mean that your warranty would remain identical, only bricked devices wouldn't be repaired. (If you limit yourself to installing roms, that is)
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Problem being if you read through their examples about overclocking etc and killing your cpu. It's very easy to say that some hardware has failed due to custom rom etc.
Now I have a nooby question too. I come from a desire which was prior to bootloader-gate (oh sigh, i did one of those). AFAIK our bootloader was unlocked from the factory so we could flash stuff straight up. S-OFF was pretty easy as well so we could do whatever we wanted pretty much
AFAIK, without unlocking bootloader, the best we can do is flash stock roms and attain root (once a stock bootloader method is available) but we can't get into custom roms/kernels without unlock? I'm pretty much at the point where I want to start tinkering with things... but just wonder if it's worth waiting, or if I should just go and htcdev unlock my phone now
I am a little wary of the warranty implications above, that is the only reason i hesitate.
M.

The S stands for Security

mattman83 said:
I am a little wary of the warranty implications above, that is the only reason i hesitate.
M.
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Me too

H-Cim said:
That would mean that your warranty would remain identical, only bricked devices wouldn't be repaired. (If you limit yourself to installing roms, that is)
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Well, possibly. As mentioned above, it's possible that the manufacturer could argue that, e.g. screen issue was due to overclock of CPU, overheating of glue holding screen resulting in the problem.
In reality I doubt that would happen, as (in the UK at least) under warranty it falls on the manufacturer to prove that the problem was due to a non-warranty problem. The CPU won't "remember" that it's been overclocked, and so with a factory reset I can't see how they could tell.
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Problem being if you read through their examples about overclocking etc and killing your cpu. It's very easy to say that some hardware has failed due to custom rom etc.
Now I have a nooby question too. I come from a desire which was prior to bootloader-gate (oh sigh, i did one of those). AFAIK our bootloader was unlocked from the factory so we could flash stuff straight up. S-OFF was pretty easy as well so we could do whatever we wanted pretty much
AFAIK, without unlocking bootloader, the best we can do is flash stock roms and attain root (once a stock bootloader method is available) but we can't get into custom roms/kernels without unlock? I'm pretty much at the point where I want to start tinkering with things... but just wonder if it's worth waiting, or if I should just go and htcdev unlock my phone now
I am a little wary of the warranty implications above, that is the only reason i hesitate.
M.
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I think since HTCDev started there has been far less S-On rooting, for two reasons. First of all, why bother? We can attain mostly-S-Off "legitimately" so why waste energy working out how to root S-On. Secondly, the lock-down of the OS has got better with every iteration, and, at least on recent phones, no hack has been discovered (again, there's less incentive to try due to HTCDev).
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The S stands for Security
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D'oh, meant to type that and forgot. Lol

qpop said:
I think since HTCDev started there has been far less S-On rooting, for two reasons. First of all, why bother? We can attain mostly-S-Off "legitimately" so why waste energy working out how to root S-On. Secondly, the lock-down of the OS has got better with every iteration, and, at least on recent phones, no hack has been discovered (again, there's less incentive to try due to HTCDev).
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Point taken
So basically it's harder to do than ever and less incentive to do than ever. Solution... go do htcdev I actually signed up for the site a while reading the thread, just waiting for the (apparently very slow) confirmation email. No work tomorrow due to good friday so I suspect my phone might get some ARHD love
I think warranty laws in australia are similar to what you say. Using non-genuine ink in printer they can't void your entire warranty, only if they can prove the ink was the issue. Slightly different issue, it's not like you've just hacked your printer firmware to increase print speeds or something... but I get what you mean.
M.
Edit - signed up again on different email and got activation stuff immediately - silly. Noticed they need to update the unlock page though... first step "remove and reinsert the battery" heh
Edit 2 - all done

xmoo said:
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I thought it stood for 'Safety'
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Excellent explanation and discussion by qpop and mattman on S-off thing. All I needed to know as new HTC user.
Sent either from my Arc or One X using xda premium

For those waiting for S-OFF by Revolutionary, it looks like you are very unlikely to get it. Baadnewz just asked in the #alpharev channel if the One would get S-OFF:
[19:46] <baadnewz> IEF you have any plans for ONE ? :B
[19:46] <baadnewz> (kick incoming)
[19:47] <burgd> To Krait or not To Krait
[19:56] <_anonymous> you got one bnz?
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[20:13] * baadnewz is now known as baad_away
[20:17] * zookii ([email protected]/zookii) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
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[20:20] <@IEF> baad_away: One X is pretty unlikely, we focus on qualcomm stuff.
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That's a real shame that. I guess now it's either HTCDev or nothing.

Odd reply, the XL (or X 4G) is going to be the far less popular device, I don't know why you would intentionally look at something that's going to get that much less usage?
M.

Evil-Dragon said:
For those waiting for S-OFF by Revolutionary, it looks like you are very unlikely to get it. Baadnewz just asked in the #alpharev channel if the One would get S-OFF:
That's a real shame that. I guess now it's either HTCDev or nothing.
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That is a shame.. Guess I'll roll with S-ON in a few days if there's no word of any further progress.
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Well according to Paul over at Modaco, S-Off is being worked on.
http://android.modaco.com/topic/352...s-mac-and-linux/page__p__1932154#entry1932154

f3nd3r said:
Well according to Paul over at Modaco, S-Off is being worked on.
http://android.modaco.com/topic/352...s-mac-and-linux/page__p__1932154#entry1932154
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Cool, anyone know if it will be possible to go from S-ON to S-OFF?
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Might as well reply here, then.
The One X is a completely different architecture (nvidia tegra), with it's own set of restrictions/security measures. Therefore, it felt it was not wise to get peoples' hopes up, and simply said it's 'unlikely'. There's really no point in asking for 'plans', you don't plan on finding exploits.
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Odd reply, the XL (or X 4G) is going to be the far less popular device, I don't know why you would intentionally look at something that's going to get that much less usage?
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There's One S and One XL which run on Snapdragon S4. Who says it will be 'far less popular' ? Because you say so?
If you knew a bit about architectural differences and our focus on Qualcomm-chipset phones in the past, then maybe you wouldn't find the reply so odd. I find your reply superficial. Does that help the discussion? Nope.

Sorry if I offended, that was not my intention. I'm a huge fan of what you've done in the past (being a Desire user). I do appreciate the difference between the phones and I get that even though the UI is basically identical, alot of the underlying parts are vastly different.
I also get that you do have more experience with the qualcomm since that's where you've focused in the past (and also the provider HTC have used most - the tegra is a little different for them).

To Unlock or not to Unlock. That is the question

Guys i am torn. One minute i want to unlock through HTC dev website but on the other hand i want to wait for the S-OFF exploit. Not just that, wondering if i unlock will i still be able to get OTA updates still? I know i will do from what i read but few more confirmations would probably ease my mind.
Had a year my galaxy s2 and was lucky enough that the s2 was already unlocked. Not a stranger to rooting but coming over to the HTC One x and reading on instructions on how to root kinda gets me worried.
What do you think guys? Development i am sure will be picking up but do you think it is worth to unlock through the dev site and if so why please.
Many thanks.

The OneX is really easy to root and the nvidia tegra tweak is well worth it

The One X honestly isn't that hard to root.
Just need to unlock the bootloader - then install recovery and then obviously flash a rooted ROM.
Great instructions from bagofcrap24 here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1592355
The best thing for me after rooting was getting rid of the three dot menu button that takes up screen space on some apps. Using LeeDroid's ROM, I now have the Recent Apps button mapped to Menu and long pressing Home mapped to Recent Apps.

gifton1 said:
The One X honestly isn't that hard to root.
Just need to unlock the bootloader - then install recovery and then obviously flash a rooted ROM.
Great instructions from bagofcrap24 here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1592355
The best thing for me after rooting was getting rid of the three dot menu button that takes up screen space on some apps. Using LeeDroid's ROM, I now have the Recent Apps button mapped to Menu and long pressing Home mapped to Recent Apps.
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i know mate...it is really a question of when to do it...i mean i do not get as to why they do not come unlocked already though...what is the big deal of them locking the bootloader..that is one of the things that made me go for the s2 over the sensation. cause it was so easy to root through odin. might do it today and unlock and root

Waiting for our great developers to unlock it.
Not a fan of the whole warranty thing via the official HTC unlock tool...

Foggy79 said:
Waiting for our great developers to unlock it.
Not a fan of the whole warranty thing via the official HTC unlock tool...
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see that is the problem that is holding me back Foggy mate. some people say it does not void your warranty some say it does. The actual website says it does void your warranty...Kinda confusing if you ask me. I mean i had my s2 for a whole year before i sold it and it never died on me. But i am really not willing to take the risk with the HOX just yet.

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see that is the problem that is holding me back Foggy mate. some people say it does not void your warranty some say it does. The actual website says it does void your warranty...Kinda confusing if you ask me. I mean i had my s2 for a whole year before i sold it and it never died on me. But i am really not willing to take the risk with the HOX just yet.
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To be fair it says
"It is our responsibility to caution you that not all claims resulting or caused by or from the unlocking of the bootloader may be covered under warranty."
I think there's def the emphasis on "resulting or caused by or from the unlocking of the bootloader"
So if yo have a warranty issue that isn't affected by unlocking the bootloader you should be fine.

Foggy79 said:
Waiting for our great developers to unlock it.
Not a fan of the whole warranty thing via the official HTC unlock tool...
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So if yo have a warranty issue that isn't affected by unlocking the bootloader you should be fine.
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And who will decide if your problem comes or doesn't come from unlocking and doing stuff on it?
Thats my point, it's just to easy for a repair center to say "yup that is possibly caused by unlocking and moddifying your device".
It voids your warranty if they decide to do so, if they even slightly suspect the unlock/modding has anything to do with the failure.
It's your word against theirs...
Like I said, not in a hurry, the Devs will get it unlocked anyway, just a matter of time, and that way I don't have to worry about warranty.

Foggy79 said:
And who will decide if your problem comes or doesn't come from unlocking and doing stuff on it?
Thats my point, it's just to easy for a repair center to say "yup that is possibly caused by unlocking and moddifying your device".
It voids your warranty if they decide to do so, if they even slightly suspect the unlock/modding has anything to do with the failure.
It's your word against theirs...
Like I said, not in a hurry, the Devs will get it unlocked anyway, just a matter of time, and that way I don't have to worry about warranty.
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spot on with that mate. hence why i opened this thread cause you do not know what might be said hence why this is the only bad thing about the HOX that it does not come with an unlock bootloader

anyone had any news on how far through they are with unlocking the bootloader. I really want to get the battery fix installed but am also a little weary about the warranty thing. I got a feeling that if they know your bootloaders been unlocked theyll end up blaming that for the failure even if it wasnt due to it. Saying that my other tab has the htcdev site open so im currently back and fore about using the htcdev site.

NoobTerminator said:
spot on with that mate. hence why i opened this thread cause you do not know what might be said hence why this is the only bad thing about the HOX that it does not come with an unlock bootloader
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Kinda understand why they want to lock it, and offer an unlock with certain warranty issues..
They need to cover themselves ofcourse, otherwise everyone with a bricked device (due to their own fault mostly) is sending back their device for a free repair
I'm happy they left backdoors (official and possible non-official) to unlock the bootloader, think if they want they could have just closed up everything to have it never unlocked again
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anyone had any news on how far through they are with unlocking the bootloader. I really want to get the battery fix installed but am also a little weary about the warranty thing. I got a feeling that if they know your bootloaders been unlocked theyll end up blaming that for the failure even if it wasnt due to it. Saying that my other tab has the htcdev site open so im currently back and fore about using the htcdev site.
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If you can use your device without any major issues i'dd wait a bit. The device is only 2 weeks out and i'm sure ppl are on to it, we need to give them some time, no need to rush things.

Foggy79 said:
Kinda understand why they want to lock it, and offer an unlock with certain warranty issues..
They need to cover themselves ofcourse, otherwise everyone with a bricked device (due to their own fault mostly) is sending back their device for a free repair
I'm happy they left backdoors (official and possible non-official) to unlock the bootloader, think if they want they could have just closed up everything to have it never unlocked again
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true true. and yeah we kinda forget sometimes that this phone has only been out two weeks now. i love it specially i got my replacement and is grey or shall i say Gun Grey Metallic.. love saying that. And probs best to wait for the exploit. Kiinda similar to the chainfire app he has for the s2 now. thanks mate and stock anyway is running well for now...but i am getting itches to flash..so many sexy roms out there

I really want to root so I can lock Sense in memory but I am going to hold off until the screen banding issue is resolved. I am confident it will be fixed by an OTA but if it isn't I don't want to create any excuse not to honour the warranty.
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Chartist said:
I really want to root so I can lock Sense in memory but I am going to hold off until the screen banding issue is resolved. I am confident it will be fixed by an OTA but if it isn't I don't want to create any excuse not to honour the warranty.
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i want to root as well mate to get rid of all the bloatware. i mean even disabling stuff does not really give me confidence enough that some of the services are frozen and take up memory..anyway i can still can be patient and wait..love this phone

Guys, if you think your device so far got no hardware issues, It's time to unlock. Getting rid of the annoying menu button alone is a big reason enough to unlock.
Been switching ROMs already for a couple of days and it's fun, the excitement is high lol. Anyway, there is still no custom kernels yet for overclocking so you don't need to worry of frying your CPU. Customization and theming won't hurt your hardware.
So there, go for it, UNLOCK!
Btw, don't flame for my advice lol.
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Rycon33 said:
Guys, if you think your device so far got no hardware issues, It's time to unlock. Getting rid of the annoying menu button alone is a big reason enough to unlock.
Been switching ROMs already for a couple of days and it's fun, the excitement is high lol. Anyway, there is still no custom kernels yet for overclocking so you don't need to worry of frying your CPU. Customization and theming won't hurt your hardware.
So there, go for it, UNLOCK!
Btw, don't flame for my advice lol.
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might hold off for a little while longer. hopefully we shall see some AOKP roms

I would say unlock, your warranty will still cover hardware issues and well software issues, you can fix them yourself

NoobTerminator said:
might hold off for a little while longer. hopefully we shall see some AOKP roms
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I see your predicament! it is a tough one.
Would love to see AOKP as well. Watched an interview with Roman tho and he didnt seem too interested in the One x for some reason and said there were no current plans to develop for it. Although, even if they dont support the One X officially, it will hopefully get ported at some point.

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I see your predicament! it is a tough one.
Would love to see AOKP as well. Watched an interview with Roman tho and he didnt seem too interested in the One x for some reason and said there were no current plans to develop for it. Although, even if they dont support the One X officially, it will hopefully get ported at some point.
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well we could only hope..i will be honest i kinda have a slight regret selling my s2 as the development for that handset is smoking hot at the moment. but regarding my HOX i am kinda itching to unlock but on the other hand voices tell me to wait for a few more days..i know development will be huge for this phone as it is the flagship. but there are few niggly things that are starting to annoy me and that might push me towards unlocking through HTC dev site
i mean stock as it is at the moment i am more than happy with..but like any phone this has some minor issues but hoping that the update we are waiting for will sort this for me

[Q] How annoyed are you, not having root? (w/o voiding the warrenty)

Hi,
i am pretty much annoyed (and it's getting worse every day) about not able to root my device, without voiding the warranty.
I had made a decision, that i will never ever buy a new device again, before there is solution for rooting.
How about you?
schnurzelat

I'm really annoyed by their policy. I'm a student, I don't have enough money to just use HTC Dev tools and say goodbye to the fact my expensive device is gonna last at least two years.
I was expectin of course that I could not use warranty for a software problem that is totally understandable but after everything I saw on the forum I'm really angry against HTC.
So that is clear for me. It's my last HTC phone.

joplayer said:
I'm really annoyed by their policy. I'm a student, I don't have enough money to just use HTC Dev tools and say goodbye to the fact my expensive device is gonna last at least two years.
I was expectin of course that I could not use warranty for a software problem that is totally understandable but after everything I saw on the forum I'm really angry against HTC.
So that is clear for me. It's my last HTC phone.
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My device was unlocked and HTC in the UK replaced my screen under warranty. I re-locked, restored the stock recovery and ROM before sending it in.

I won't buy a HTC phone again.
My next phone is a Nexus Series.

I decided to root because i was assured by HTC Chat that it did not void ALL warranty, only issues that could be caused by software (rooting), so if any major hardware faults developed, it SHOULD still be covered under warranty

I'm not too fussed tbh, I'll wait for S-Off like a patient little boy.
HTC only allowed us to have S-Off through HTCDev because people were bugging them about it and they gave in.
They had to safeguard themselves against any backlash that might have come from N00bs bricking their devices and trying to claim for a new handset when it their own failures that fscked up their device anyway.
It's like Car Insurance, keep crashing your motor and expect to pay higher premiums... sooner or later you'll stop driving like a nob, understand what I'm saying?

The-Last-Hylian said:
I'm not too fussed tbh, I'll wait for S-Off like a patient little boy.
HTC only allowed us to have S-Off through HTCDev because people were bugging them about it and they gave in.
They had to safeguard themselves against any backlash that might have come from N00bs bricking their devices and trying to claim for a new handset when it their own failures that fscked up their device anyway.
It's like Car Insurance, keep crashing your motor and expect to pay higher premiums... sooner or later you'll stop driving like a nob, understand what I'm saying?
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Well said,the HOX is not as easy to root as previous HTC mobiles so they have had to cover their own backs.

Why should HTC allow you a warranty when u rooted ur phone. HTC team did a fantastic job in Sense.

deakodude said:
Well said,the HOX is not as easy to root as previous HTC mobiles so they have had to cover their own backs.
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Thanks, naturally, as with all things technological, people fiddle with it and break things, fix things and improve upon things. HTC did a good job with Sense imho, if we want to detract from that and make our own alterations why should they provide us with a warranty? In their eyes Sense was a finished product.
manoj971 said:
Why should HTC allow you a warranty when u rooted ur phone. HTC team did a fantastic job in Sense.
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Exactly! Overall, aesthetically, I really like Sense, it does have it's limitations however and is a resource hog, but it's a nice little eco-system that works well.

manoj971 said:
Why should HTC allow you a warranty when u rooted ur phone.
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If I root and flash custom software on my phone I should have warranty on hardware issues such as the WiFi issue which has been proven to be a manufacturing defect. ie NOT caused by software.
It's like, buying a computer and running Ubuntu instead of Windows and then the manufacturer not covering a HDD replacement for a failed disk because of your OS. The only way hardware issues could be caused by the software is by overclocking the cpu and playing with voltages. There is no way in hell any other hardware issues could be caused by the software running on it especially bent pins affecting wifi antenna or assembly gaps to mention a few.
HTC not standing by warranty on these phones (especially when allowing us to unlock the bootloader) is criminal. Why allow us to unlock the bootloader if you can't do anything with it???
I am quietly waiting for the next nexus phone to be announced. I think I may sell my one x (which is the best phone I've ever owned) and go for a nexus. My last few phones have all been HTC but I have lost faith in the company and brand.

I think its a piss take HTC voiding part or whole of your warranty. If you went out and brought a brand new laptop and wanted to put Windows 8 on it, but you had to wait for let's say Acer to decide if the upgrade would work, to tweak and add useless programs and put a skin over it, OR void your warranty, have Windows 8 and never be allowed to send your laptop in for hardware errors, people would be pretty pissed off. These phones are mini computers. I believe they should be unlockable by 'fastboot oem unlock' which would mean full S-Off, anyway if your into loading ROMs and want a warranty. Don't buy this phone... Simple.
Sent from my HTC One X using xda app-developers app

cosmicovertones said:
There is no way in hell any other hardware issues could be caused by the software running on it especially bent pins affecting wifi antenna or assembly gaps to mention a few.
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On certain Samsung phones with certain emmc firmware in combination with certain ics kernel could permanently destroy the emmc if you did a full wipe/factory reset in cwm

godutch said:
On certain Samsung phones with certain emmc firmware in combination with certain ics kernel could permanently destroy the emmc if you did a full wipe/factory reset in cwm
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That is quite poor from Samsung in my opinion.

i purchased the one x on release day - coming from the dhd i thought i was choosing the right phone for me. i loved changing roms and fiddling until i had a hard ware failure on the device.
i was suprised that htc had done this, i have always upgraded my phone until the dhd (nothing else really worth the upgrade until the one x was released) around 6-9 months of age (due to boredom most of the time).
I just know that my next phone will not have sense on - as much as i love sense i can live without it, but not having root makes the phone boring after a while. Its a shame as i love htc hardware, but not willing to lose warrenty on a device that could fail after so many months. My wife already has her name on my phone when i upgrade next so warrenty is still needed.
i think this is a dirty trick htc has done here and will only cost them as time goes on.
i fancy a plain android phone now as ics / jellybean looks so nice so sense wont be missed too much thinking about it, i can see a nexus coming in my near future when they release the next generation.
IMHO, i wouldnt have minded so much if htc gave the option to remove ALL bloatware inc sense - forcing programs such as suckbook and twatter with only the option to disable is pathetic, they should either give you the option to flash a vanilla rom or remove all bloat before making you void warrenty getting rid of the crap.

[Q] Cant get s-off ??

Did the firewater method for S-off and it keeps saying " device has been patched by HTC, your out of luck!!!." is there any way to get by this? im new to HTC devices so im a little thrown off

elvisp0129 said:
Did the firewater method for S-off and it keeps saying " device has been patched by HTC, your out of luck!!!." is there any way to get by this? im new to HTC devices so im a little thrown off
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I believe htc patched the last update, so would need to downgrade but not sure how you can downgrade when s-on.

There is a Bounty thread for a fix. Check my signature.

Someone correct me, cause I'm sure I'm wrong, my idea can't be right because it seems too easy/logical...
If HTC is the one who patched out firewater, wouldn't the next stop on the logic train be to assume that they want you to s-off on the HTCdev site so they can note the warranty voided??
I've been s-off since before this device even hit the market locally, so firewater worked fine...I'm just throwing darts to try and help.
Thoughts?

Exactly, it's not that easy. HTCDev will only let you unlock the bootloader, which is enough for many things, but is not the same as S-OFF. HTC doesn't provide any official way to the public for setting the device to S-OFF.

AGKdrOId said:
Someone correct me, cause I'm sure I'm wrong, my idea can't be right because it seems too easy/logical...
If HTC is the one who patched out firewater, wouldn't the next stop on the logic train be to assume that they want you to s-off on the HTCdev site so they can note the warranty voided??
I've been s-off since before this device even hit the market locally, so firewater worked fine...I'm just throwing darts to try and help.
Thoughts?
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It seems that way, but I don't use logic when it comes to large corporations.

Black Antitoon said:
HTC doesn't provide any official way to the public for setting the device to S-OFF.
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They should though... Why deny it just so that people go with "questionable" means to exploit a system in order to do the things they want to do with the device they paid a crap load of money for.
One would think by now that companies would realise that they'll never be "fully" in front when it comes to "battles" like these, whenever they implement a new security measure, there's already someone out there with the skills to exploit it! If they exploited it by "unofficial" means, then logically they would want to cover their tracks as well leading to a form of fraud i.e hiding flags/banners that show that you did S-OFF and Unlocked, it causes problems for other users if they were to buy a device like that(2nd hand for example) or even if you handed it in as such to HTC and they refurb and resell a device that says it's one thing where in fact it's something entirely different.
Why not grant unlocked bootloader, S-OFF AND Root access on all devices and sell it as is? You can put plenty of security warnings up to warn someone about the potential danger and/or damage they can cause if they don't use it properly.
Software related issues and/or bricks can be covered seperately with warranty(perhaps a small increase in price to cover it, if it's software related, HTC can fix it easy), hardware problems on the other hand won't necessarily come about because some wanna be couldn't read a ROM installation thread properly.
It's silly if you ask me. You should be able to buy the device with the ability to have an unlocked bootloader, root access and S-OFF, out of the box! You should then be well aware that IF something happens as a result of your own negligence that you'll have to pay a bit more to get it fixed, period. There should be a warning and agreement, if you agree to those terms then you can't cry to anyone if you mess up.
But that's my opinion though.
End of rant.

BerndM14 said:
It's silly if you ask me. You should be able to buy the device with the ability to have an unlocked bootloader, root access and S-OFF, out of the box! You should then be well aware that IF something happens as a result of your own negligence that you'll have to pay a bit more to get it fixed, period. There should be a warning and agreement, if you agree to those terms then you can't cry to anyone if you mess up.
But that's my opinion though.
End of rant.
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I agree with you - in principle. The problem is that you expect users who click that "I agree" button to actually accept responsibility for their actions if they sc*** up. And often they don't.
I have seen it again and again in the Asus Transformer forums. You can download an apk from Asus to unlock the bootloader but that app also phones home and voids your warranty (which is clearly explained in the agreement). Quite a few users who mostly didn't bother to do enough research blamed Asus for providing a tool to unlock the BL, but then refused to support them if they bricked their device. Some sent it in for warranty repair and some actually succeeded - probably because the tech did not pay attention to the unlocked bootloader - basically making Asus pay for a mistake they made. These things happen and people just tend to try to find someone to blame for their own shortcomings.
So I do understand that they make it difficult - and I do agree: They can't win this game... Someone will find a way

berndblb said:
I agree with you - in principle. The problem is that you expect users who click that "I agree" button to actually accept responsibility for their actions if they sc*** up. And often they don't.
I have seen it again and again in the Asus Transformer forums. You can download an apk from Asus to unlock the bootloader but that app also phones home and voids your warranty (which is clearly explained in the agreement). Quite a few users who mostly didn't bother to do enough research blamed Asus for providing a tool to unlock the BL, but then refused to support them if they bricked their device. Some sent it in for warranty repair and some actually succeeded - probably because the tech did not pay attention to the unlocked bootloader - basically making Asus pay for a mistake they made. These things happen and people just tend to try to find someone to blame for the own shortcomings.
So I do understand that they make it difficult - and I do agree: They can't win this game... Someone will find a way
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Agreed. The main issue is the common person not doing research on these things and even IF they do some reading they don't even read properly. Most of the problems they encounter are self-made problems.
Perhaps giving an option in store for those things would be better then, like I said they could even "increase" the price a bit for the warranty/insurance IF you choose to go with an unlocked, rooted and S-OFF'd device...Oh well, pure speculation though, it's not like it'll ever happen.
Oh and you have an awesome name Bernd :good:

BerndM14 said:
Oh and you have an awesome name Bernd :good:
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I agree! So do you! Also German immigrant? :victory:

berndblb said:
I agree! So do you! Also German immigrant? :victory:
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Yes and no... Parents are Germans and came to South Africa, I was born here.