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Sorry to waste a thread but I guess I have a point here:
Coming from Hermes and then Kasier communities (and flashing hundreds of SPL/Radio/Rom on my Hermes & Kaiser for many months) I thought that at least I am able to upgrade HardSpl or Radio or Rom on any PDA.
Now I've got my Diamond and entering the Diamond Rom dev I feel as if I've entered a new website.
What's going on here ? Chefs and developers have teamed up together and are divided into various groups competing with each other. Diamond rom dev is not having the cooperative feeling of Kaisr community at all.
There's no unified (bipartisan) thread for HardSpl. Each group is saying that our HardSpl is the best.
I understand that different ROM developers make different roms. But what about HardSpl and Radio ?
ROM threads are turned to Stickys???
Isn't it something new to this community?
Even HardSPl threads (directly or indirectly) direct us to certain ROM dev teams.
Am I the only person confused here ?
What happened to the bipartisan Moderators ABOVE rom chefs ?
In fact, as far as I can see, Chefs have become Mods and this weakens the unified and bipartisan feel we used to see in Hermes or Kaiser ...etc. communities and throughout the entire xda forum.
Is it only me ? Are there any other confused members noticing that Diamond ROM Dev is taking an unusual direction?
I don't know how it was before, but i agree with you. Rom teams are popping like mushrooms and the threads keep getting bigger and bigger. For a newbie like mee i needed a couple of days just to read in to everything because of the lack of clearnes.
If the Rom Chefs just worked together and share idea's than this would be just great. Then it's also easier to make different languages. Now it salmost all the time WWE en nothing more because if someone wants to do that, they loose the competition of the fastest release.
Also the topic starts can be clearer. Enormous pictures, lettersize 18, etc.... does not help. I think there are some moderators needed here that restore order and are not Rom Chefs
you are right
i am "just" a junior member, but if you check my account you can see i am here for a "longer" time.
so..
i came here from ARTEMIS threads and i feel the same as you but i did not want to mention it as a "junior member"
Old, well known, clever and cool guys went mad here in this section..
i am not sure why.
it "threatens me" a little bit, makes a pressure on me (sorry for poor english, i hope you can understand me.) i feel a little bit unconfortable. something like that.
This is why i made an own ROM based on STOCKs (thanks for HardSPL, for everybody who dumped the ROMs, etc..) and useing tweakapps.
(i don't want to use names....):
As i can see the guys who are makeing the tweaking apps are ok, but some of the guys who are cooking the ROMs has changed in this section.
anyway: ALL RESPECT for those who make DIAMOND better!!!!
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I don't know how it was before, but i agree with you. Rom teams are popping like mushrooms and the threads keep getting bigger and bigger. For a newbie like mee i needed a couple of days just to read in to everything because of the lack of clearnes.
If the Rom Chefs just worked together and share idea's than this would be just great. Then it's also easier to make different languages. Now it salmost all the time WWE en nothing more because if someone wants to do that, they loose the competition of the fastest release.
Also the topic starts can be clearer. Enormous pictures, lettersize 18, etc.... does not help. I think there are some moderators needed here that restore order and are not Rom Chefs
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I'm afraid my point was not about lack of multilanguage roms ...etc.
I do NOT even want chefs to work together and make a brilliant rom for ME. The beauty of any Free Society is in its competition , diversity and plurality.
My point was something else - well I guess i mentioned it in my post
Yea I agree . I have been on these forums a while and this is a bit messy and I guess very daunting if you are a newbie.
1) Please Sticky the ROM Threads
2) Please sticky the RADIO Threads
3) Please Sticky the SPL Threads
Oh and please, please, please, lets start pulling our resources together . I love to try out all the ROMS and if we share our knowledge aren't we in a better position to get what we al want . The Pefect ROM !!
I know I'll probably get shot down in flames for this and my software dev knowledge you can right on a postage stamp but I do know about winning teams.
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Is it only me ? Are there any other confused members noticing that Diamond ROM Dev is taking an unusual direction?
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You are not alone.
I Agree...
absolutely agree.
personally i'd like to see one thread of hard-spls instead of 4 haha.. its quite cluttered..
Hear die well
You got another yes behind your remarks- Said but true.
I started with XDA Trion - Moved to TytnII and was pretty happy with the set directions- Mod support -bashing of newbies (myself included).
The Diamond ROM forum is "different":
- Not enough Mod's to have a closer look on garbage posted (Oliver- Mark...you do have my PM's )
- A lot of Newcomer's on the Diamond- a lot of reduntant threads.
- INDEED, confusing HardSPL - ROM signed vs. non signed messages. Pointed out the (smallest) finger to the Chefs already - But hey, we need them! So let's not complain - Competition is not bad bewtween them.
I called it already the "War of the Chefs" in a thread , so let us benefit of it though....---> TOO MANY Roms with mostly spin-off's of one build
I saw a message on BePe's thread from a guy asking for less ROM's but Final ones with bug's sorted out. For sure, no one is forced to Flash anyway, but it just fill's the thread's with 100.000.000 time WOW -Downloading now ! etc.
I believe that it is our duty as older dweilers to support the chefs in terms of newcomers direction set-up. They cook, we taste, we give feedback - advice and we don't ask for too much, cause it is free.
Anyway, again, I follow your reasoning and do hope first of all to see better Mod support on the Diamond forum. I know the guys are under-manned, so they should maybe look into a few new mod's (my time zone is very favorable to clean dirt between Australia and Birmingham - tip)
Cheerio
I do believe that we are only at the beginning of a Forum which will grow a LOT seeing the possibilites the Diamond can offer.
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agreed. i started with Artemis, then TYTNII, now Diamond... and i have to say the Diamond part of the forums is a whole new beast
too many roms, so little time, are people forgetting that they purchased their devices so they can be used... its turning out that they are just being flashed constantly on a daily basis.
back in the hermes days, when roms were developed, updated roms would generally be released on a monthly basis after feedback was collected from peoples experiences with the current rom.
i still peek over here now and then to see whats up and it is a bit of a mess.
well, if the diamond forum is a mess, the touch pro will even be worse once wm7 beta is avail for it.
btw. im waiting for the touch pro and will be developing roms for it, but not wm6.1 roms as the kernel and OS itself is a pos.
I think the problem is the lack of structure. It's hard to tell which rom is new from which dev group. Everything is mixed up. A couple of rom devs started to put the date in front of a post with a new rom. I think that's the first step in the good direction.
Hmmm....
Listening........!
where are the mods
we need someone to tidy the forum up
ceevee369 said:
You got another yes behind your remarks- Said but true.
- INDEED, confusing HardSPL - ROM signed vs. non signed messages. Pointed out the (smallest) finger to the Chefs already
I believe that it is our duty as older dweilers to support the chefs in terms of newcomers direction set-up. They cook, we taste, we give feedback -
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haven't we been doing this in Kaiser & other communities ? just look how attentively we (as a little bit more senior members) try to reply and solve brand-new n00bs in other threads.
this thread is different. how can i help a n00b when i myself am too confused what HardSpl to flash ?
this seems to be the beginnig of a commercial rom movement. it's not mentioned directly anywhere, but throught the whole thread I can hear this loud & clear :
We left things complicated , jumbled and unclear so that if you want to know what the whole thing is about , you pay for it.
I tried to seach "How to Hard Reset Diamond" for an hour. couldn't find anything. it's my personal feeling : it's beginning to get commercial.
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personally i'd like to see one thread of hard-spls instead of 4 haha.. its quite cluttered..
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everybody like to see that. But don't you think there's a reason behind this confusion?
Unlike all the other threads, there's an apparent lack of Authoritative Voice in diamond thread.
i coul'dnt agree more, this forum so so messed up.
Even DEV-teams has split an releasing roms as team members of that dev-team, and another member of that team is filling that thread with content...WHUUUTT, i cant explain it properly so hard is it to understand.
I think we need mods to take control and tidy things up a bit.
My vision of the ideal Diamond forum
Sticky:
- SPL's(soft, hard), just one, not a dev and a signed.(al spl's work great so why have many of them)
- Radio's(thread starter sums them up in order of release date and build number)
- Rulez of engagement for everyone who want to post here
Rest:
- For each rom dev team(or single person) one thread with rom info and downloads and the thread title started with a date.
- For questions and such, search first and then ask(NOOBS)
Ill inform some mods here.
gr
If you've ever been in Kaiser's forum then you'll know what's the diff between many versions of SPL. I dont' see why it has to be one SPL only if others make some differences. JockyW2001 knows better. He's been cracking and modifying SPL versions for Kaisers' users. It doesn't mean that Oli is not a good developer. He's the one who started it. Only that now we have our options. It's not their fault if noobs get into trouble trying to understand all of the purposes.Do you know why? Laziness is not tolerable. Lazy to read...Lazy to search...bla..bla..bla...
Yeah! I like this forum clean but not to the extend of " You should not develope any alternative for us! We already have one here!" Now, go to Kaiser Forum and read. Go to Hermes forum and read. Go to other forums and read. This is XDA-Developers Site
Sorry, I said what I want to say.
Cyphol.
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where are the mods
we need someone to tidy the forum up
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No-one has reported that it is needed.
I am willing to do the job, but I do not have a Diamond and will need some input as to what should be deleted, kept, stickied or whatever the case may be.
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No-one has reported that it is needed.
I am willing to do the job, but I do not have a Diamond and will need some input as to what should be deleted, kept, stickied or whatever the case may be.
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Maybe a good topic to discuss "downstairs" first..
Isn't there a dedicated mod for the diamond-forums?
Or aren't there dedicated mods for the forums?
Hi Guys,
Anyone have a link to the latest official HTC Diamond rom?
Cheers
Paul
yes, nice 1st post, learn to read
Ever tried the official HTC Website?
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yes, nice 1st post, learn to read
Ever tried the official HTC Website?
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What a really nice guy - your parents must be proud.
The official HTC website cannot be used to upgrade diamonds from other providers, like mine is an 02 Ignito.
I asked a simple question, after searching around here the list of official roms seems to be way out of date.
Is it too hard for anyone to supply a simple friendly answer round here?
Thanks
I've seen a few links in other posts of this forum to the latest version. I think you can find them with Search - don't remember exactly where they were.
Here is all the new roms
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=471699
I read two site back and find this, u must remember that if you need something and you dont find it in the FIRST page look at the next page. The answer can be there..
just a tip
That being the case, it's not really the *official* version that you want. You want the latest release to update your ignito branded unit. Precise communications make things so much easier, eh?
Simple friendly answers are common, as long as evidence indicates that you searched first. If you don't understand why people are touchy about this, please read any of the notes about posting to forums. They will explain. Briefly, the 1% of people that provide most of the help are exhausted from repeating themselves. They'd like to move on to new things. Hence the search features of forums. Yes, it takes a while to find exactly what you need. We've all been through it. Others are expected to do the same.
This is not a slam towards you, this is a simple, friendly answer. If you find it abrasive, you weren't listening.
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What a really nice guy - your parents must be proud.
The official HTC website cannot be used to upgrade diamonds from other providers, like mine is an 02 Ignito.
I asked a simple question, after searching around here the list of official roms seems to be way out of date.
Is it too hard for anyone to supply a simple friendly answer round here?
Thanks
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paulrgod said:
What a really nice guy - your parents must be proud.
The official HTC website cannot be used to upgrade diamonds from other providers, like mine is an 02 Ignito.
I asked a simple question, after searching around here the list of official roms seems to be way out of date.
Is it too hard for anyone to supply a simple friendly answer round here?
Thanks
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NOT when what you're searching for is in the STICKIES!!
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NOT when what you're searching for is in the STICKIES!!
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Thanks for all your incredibly helpful replies.
In fact what i was looking for was not in the stickies - if you call the thread that was last updated in August what im looking for your very mistaken (but yes that thread was stickied, but it in no way shape or form contains the latest English ROM).
And to DrewVS - your presuming i wanted the 02 branded crap on my phone? No that is not what i asked for therefore that detail wasn't required.
Thanks a lot guys, really helpful freindly community you got here.
You all need to step off your pedestals and realise that not everyone knows what
RUU_Diamond_HTC_WWE-ME_1.93.456.2_Radio_Signed_Diamond_52.29.25.12_1.0 0.25.05_Ship means.
The strings of numbers mean nothing to me, nothings clear around here and when someone asks for a little help, hey its my first post even to pounce and give all this bull****.
It's almost like you losers get off on preaching about the search and your precious out of date stickies.
Well - thanks again for the help and goodbye.
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Thanks for all your incredibly helpful replies.
In fact what i was looking for was not in the stickies - if you call the thread that was last updated in August what im looking for your very mistaken (but yes that thread was stickied, but it in no way shape or form contains the latest English ROM).
And to DrewVS - your presuming i wanted the 02 branded crap on my phone? No that is not what i asked for therefore that detail wasn't required.
Thanks a lot guys, really helpful freindly community you got here.
You all need to step off your pedestals and realise that not everyone knows what
RUU_Diamond_HTC_WWE-ME_1.93.456.2_Radio_Signed_Diamond_52.29.25.12_1.0 0.25.05_Ship means.
The strings of numbers mean nothing to me, nothings clear around here and when someone asks for a little help, hey its my first post even to pounce and give all this bull****.
It's almost like you losers get off on preaching about the search and your precious out of date stickies.
Well - thanks again for the help and goodbye.
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Sorry I have not got an answer for you but your right, its funny how the people who contribute nothing feel they have to make up for it by acting self important.
Personaly I think that simply not replying to your post if it offended them so much would have been more polite but obviosly good manners are not well known here.
I suppose that it gives them some sort of meaning, I would not worry about it though, just log in to download files like I do and let the blow hards do the "big I am" routine and stroke there own ego's.
THe good manners aire FIRSTLY to follow the rules... so hitting the SEARCH button be4 asking whatever question.
And SECONDLY, if he cannot recognize that RUU_Diamond_HTC_WWE-ME_1.93.456.2_Radio_Signed_Diamond_52.29.25.12_1.0 0.25.05_Ship is the ROM he is looking for, how can we all encourage him to perform a ROM upgrade? What if he upgrade and BROCK the Diamond.
THIRD: does he knows he need HARD SPL?
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THe good manners aire FIRSTLY to follow the rules... so hitting the SEARCH button be4 asking whatever question.
And SECONDLY, if he cannot recognize that RUU_Diamond_HTC_WWE-ME_1.93.456.2_Radio_Signed_Diamond_52.29.25.12_1.0 0.25.05_Ship is the ROM he is looking for, how can we all encourage him to perform a ROM upgrade? What if he upgrade and BROCK the Diamond.
THIRD: does he knows he need HARD SPL?
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Ooooh i can tell the rage is burning here, look at the angry response with all the BIG ANGRY CAPITALS and spelling errors, cool your beans my friend!
FIRSTLY - I did search but alas, could not find what i looked for so asked a simple, polite question.
SECONDLY - Apologies, i dont know how to speak Robot, if you think that RUU_Diamond_HTC_WWE-ME_1.93.456.2_Radio_Signed_Diamond_52.29.25.12_1.0 0.25.05_Ship is clear version numbering - your simply a fool... oh and i think you meant 'I could BRICK my diamond' not too sure what BROCK means...
THIRDLY - I do know how to do firmware upgrade (thanks to a really helpful Sticky!! ...OMG ). Im currently on dutty's latest but dont like it, there are some annoying bugs - so again you assume i dont know that i need HARDSPL? You're wrong again you elitist loser....why not just look at the facts before Assuming things eh?
And..because im in a good mood; i'm gonna add a FOURTHLY - Piss off out of people's threads if you can't contribute anything constructive or helpful, whats the point, it just winds people up.
I realise there are some really hard working people here and a lot of you do deserve the donations, but why do you treat new people, asking general, polite questions like something you've scraped off your boot??? It's disgusting...
Ta Ta
And Thanks Jammy Dodger, i have looked through lots of threads here, and i'm not the only one they've pounced on and likely discouraged from taking part in the community - take care buddy!
The poor guy just isn't really into forums (both reading and posting, in that order ) and ROM upgrading...
What we can only hope for is that he either:
- learns from all of this, starts reading about reading forums, posting in forums and ROM upgrading (including HardSPL/SoftSPL) and succesfully flashes a new ROM, gets the hang of it, starts cooking his own ROMs and contributes to the xda-developer community (maybe even telling some newbies how to use the forum)
or
- he reads all comments, decides he doesn't like us and forgets aboud flashing and even about xda-developers
I definetely prefer the first option!
Come on guys, don't take it too serious!
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Ooooh i can tell the rage is burning here, look at the angry response with all the BIG ANGRY CAPITALS and spelling errors, cool your beans my friend!
FIRSTLY - I did search but alas, could not find what i looked for so asked a simple, polite question.
SECONDLY - Apologies, i dont know how to speak Robot, if you think that RUU_Diamond_HTC_WWE-ME_1.93.456.2_Radio_Signed_Diamond_52.29.25.12_1.0 0.25.05_Ship is clear version numbering - your simply a fool... oh and i think you meant 'I could BRICK my diamond' not too sure what BROCK means...
THIRDLY - I do know how to do firmware upgrade (thanks to a really helpful Sticky!! ...OMG ). Im currently on dutty's latest but dont like it, there are some annoying bugs - so again you assume i dont know that i need HARDSPL? You're wrong again you elitist loser....why not just look at the facts before Assuming things eh?
And..because im in a good mood; i'm gonna add a FOURTHLY - Piss off out of people's threads if you can't contribute anything constructive or helpful, whats the point, it just winds people up.
I realise there are some really hard working people here and a lot of you do deserve the donations, but why do you treat new people, asking general, polite questions like something you've scraped off your boot??? It's disgusting...
Ta Ta
And Thanks Jammy Dodger, i have looked through lots of threads here, and i'm not the only one they've pounced on and likely discouraged from taking part in the community - take care buddy!
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Owh...
The frustration!
Ahaha he wrote 2 lines cuz i write Brock instead of Brick.
U r without arguments man
Maybe u can edit your signature so every1 here know u are already on a cooked ROM.
Omg I write ROM un uppercase... this is angry behaviour from my side. Sorry.
So u r able to GRAB
And u r able to ASK
Y don't u think about contribute? Or donating? Just a lil'... be4 asking.
I'm off, this discusison don't deserve anymore time
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RUU_Diamond_HTC_WWE-ME_1.93.456.2_Radio_Signed_Diamond_52.29.25.12_1.0 0.25.05_Ship, I hope the following will help:
• RUU_Diamond_HTC: This is an official rom by the manufacture (Hence HTC) for the Diamond aka Ignito amongst other names.
• WWE: Worldwide English.
• ME: Middle East, This is the region part in this case Middle East. In this example, the rom supports WWE and Middle Eastern setting, things like language support, radio type which relates to the network provider specs. From my humble experience, the ME and AR(the later stands for Arabic) specs are the same as European specs.
• 1.93.456.2: (1.93) rom version, latest in this case. (456) region, in this case Middle East. (2), latest patch,, the higher the better.
• Singned_Diamond: The rom will only mount on a Diamond singed with HTC’s own certificate. In other words, the rom will not work on branded Diamonds, like T mobile MDA or O2 XDA, hence the need for hard spl to flash an HTC rom on branded telephone.
• 52.29.25.12_1.00.25.05: Radio version. Most Important factor in reception, GPS and battery life amongs other things.
Hope the above has helped.
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Thanks a lot Omar - thats very useful information.
@ paul:
first, did you noticed the phrase "developers" in the URL? Perhaps you did expect the wrong community...
But nevertheless we could/should help each other, so try this thread if you didn't found it already:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=471699
I guess you get what you are looking for with this linked upload:
RUU_Diamond_HTC_WWE_2.03.405.2_Radio_Signed_Diamon d_52.51.25.26_1.09.25.23_Ship
When I joined this forum, just like you (OP) I never really got any help from anyone here. I did all the searching I need but end up still needing to ask few questions here and there but no one would help me. Now I learned my lesson... you just need to read through the hundreds of pages of information here. It took me five days to understand on my own how to flash the radio. But its just me. I guess I'm slowww. But NO I'm not. I'm just a newbie and newbies are always told to "SEARCH". Your on your own buddy.
Still, XDA Forum rocks.
You know. I was always wondering why developers suddenly stop with roms or programs. They can have family or personal reasons like being very busy with work or with whatever.
But there are more reasons why developers stop with cooking roms and/or programs. I've seen this before on other forums where developers stopped. Like with "Todayplus" some years ago.Same reason.
Here's the other reason
Just a suggestion though to others, take care of cooks you still have here (ex: pcarvalho).Signs of encouragement help, less demanding in threads as if they owe you something, and every now and then donate enough to keep them motivated.
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As the cooker explaing this has nothing to do with donations.I think the above is very true.Demanding is very "deadly" in every case.
Think about it!
I agree there seems to be a sense of entitlement to people who are using the ROMs.
The good chefs here cook how they feel they want to and offer it to you. If you want something changed, learn to cook yourself.
The OP is absolutely right if we start mistreating anyone or bark out orders, they will stop.
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The OP is absolutely right if we start mistreating anyone or bark out orders, they will stop.
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Hi
I wrote the OP. The quote I used was from a cook I read and this start making me think. Resulted in this thread.So he was right. I only spread his word
Sadly, this attitude is not new and not unique to these 'rom cookers' either. Coming from an Open Source background, you must see the number of demands that are made of our project/members.. even when *we* offer free support and help as well as software.
I like to kick this thread once in a while to make you aware of the subject. Since it is important if you like see the new ROM's keep coming up.
i would like to also make note of the fact that not a lot of user will download a rom by a new cook. this is a bit unfair since although the rom that has been made may not be the best it still took a lot of hard work to create
the reason im highlighting this is because i think it important to try out roms from nrew cooks and let them know how its gewtting on in terms of performance wise let them know whats wrong with it and were it could be improved
ok now ill use an example
when i posted my rom i got a few downloaders who try it out but all of one reply
this reply consisted of badmouthing my rom
then i got one who said it was actually fast
so basically the first poster on the thread about my rom wasnt being very nice and id like to thank hendrixus for letting people this is a problem
also as far as my last post went
sorry if it confused the op into thinking i was calling him a dent
i wasnt talking bout this threasd but my own
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im more inclined to take the advice from the second poster but the first poter was a bit of a dent
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That's because I smoke a Cigar right?
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im more inclined to take the advice from the second poster but the first poter was a bit of a dent
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What a nice compliment, thanks.
btw I don't smoke at all
English is not my native. You probely speak better dutch then I do English [/offtopic]
Nevertheless.People do agree to what I wrote. But I still find posters demand the cooks, who ask the same questions over-and-over again. They don't search, nor read (faqs) to find the answers which are there.
They just "hop-in" and start asking. Like we are the HTC's helpdesk which we arn't.
I noticed the following for some time.
Even when a app is discontinued people keep on "talking" to the programmer, even when he hasn't been on the forum for a year or so. Asking for bugfixes and new features.
It is not only ridiculious, but pathetic too. Those who are doing so are not only newbies but also seniors. At least they should know better
oh crap i think ive just totally confused you all when i was reffering to the first poster being a dent and me wanting to believe the scond one
i was talking about my own rom thread. when i posted my rom in the thread for it the first poster just labelled it a piece of crap even though i said it was my first the second poster was a bit nicer
i wasnt talking bout you guys
Dear Engineers,
Kindly, I have one question regarding to install Android 3.0 or 4.0 as an official one in the "Samsung Galaxy W" device without "Flashing" it because as you know that the current Android is 2.3.5.
Hence, Recently I've already upgraded the "Firmware" of the device.
I hope one of you to provide me a good explanation for my issue, and I will be grateful to you.
Thanks.
Regards,
Mulham Darwish
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Dear Engineers,
Kindly, I have one question regarding to install Android 3.0 or 4.0 as an official one in the "Samsung Galaxy W" device without "Flashing" it because as you know that the current Android is 2.3.5.
Hence, Recently I've already upgraded the "Firmware" of the device.
I hope one of you to provide me a good explanation for my issue, and I will be grateful to you.
Thanks.
Regards,
Mulham Darwish
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First of all. This question should be in general/ discussion thread.
Second . They aren't engineer. They are developers.
Samsung will never give Android 3.0 or 4.0 officially for galaxy w. So forget it for updating officially.
And seriously... your last paragraph looks like we have done something wrong and we have to apologize or explain to you.
So if you want android 4.0. Use cm9 or other cm9 based rom. But there isnt any Android 3.0 rom for galaxy w.
Your firmware upgrade is. Upgrading from 2.3.5 to 2.3.6. As I said. Samsung is never gonna give us Android 4.0 officially.
Btw. This isn't an issue. You have no big deals with this. So just name it question.
Sent from my GT-I8150 using xda premium
Mulham82 said:
Dear Engineers,
Kindly, I have one question regarding to install Android 3.0 or 4.0 as an official one in the "Samsung Galaxy W" device without "Flashing" it because as you know that the current Android is 2.3.5.
Hence, Recently I've already upgraded the "Firmware" of the device.
I hope one of you to provide me a good explanation for my issue, and I will be grateful to you.
Thanks.
Regards,
Mulham Darwish
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I just don't get it. Try to post properly. Google translate is your friend.
bbmadzky said:
I just don't get it. Try to post properly. Google translate is your friend.
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i think he / she already using translate...
wrong section dude
Hmmmmm......
seriously folks, I think ppl here should give some/a lot of latitude to posters whose first language is not English.
I think Mulham was trying to be as respectful as he could be, but these translate engines seldom get it fully correct, and perhaps we should bear this in mind when replying.
Just to attempt an answer Mulham, there will never be an "official" upgrade to Android 3.x.......
this was designed by Google as a Tablet operating system, and has been surpassed by both 4.0.x [Ice Cream Sandwich] and more latterly by 4.1.x [Jelly Bean].......
However, because this device is quite capable of running 4.0.x, and probably 4.1.x, there are Custom ICS ROM's in development, notably arco68's CM9, which is actively being developed, and now at Alpha [Build 7]....
there are other CM 9 ROM's, most are based on arco's build, but give a differerent flavoured ICS, use the search or browse in the development section!!!
Of course, CyanogenMod is built from the ground up, from sources, and will have no provider bloat, as you will always see in ROM's from Samsung and their Service Provider partners, so you will have a much better user experience of "pure" Android.......as it was meant to be!!!
There is also just a sniff of CM10......4.1.x [Jelly Bean] here....but far too early to attempt anything yet, let's just wait and see!!!
Unfortunately Mulham, flashing with ClockworkMod Recovery will be the only way to experience these new varieties on our device, as per Samsungs decision to deny ICS for the Galaxy W [GT-i8150].....
a decision which has convinced me personally never to buy Samsung again.....
But, I will enjoy the what our dedicated Dev's produce to show what could have been, if Samsung really cared for it's customers, and not just their Corporate Bottom Line......
Hope you find this answer to be informative!!!
Respect!!
irishpancake said:
Hmmmmm......
seriously folks, I think ppl here should give some/a lot of latitude to posters whose first language is not English.
I think Mulham was trying to be as respectful as he could be, but these translate engines seldom get it fully correct, and perhaps we should bear this in mind when replying.
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My first language is not English but in fairness to the translate engines, they are much useful especially if you know you're own language well. The translate engine will do the rest for you. You just need to compose yours well.
Prior to XDA rules number 3,
Post only using a clear subject and message.
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We cannot help that much if the message or inquiry being asked in somewhat vague to other members.
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My first language is not English but in fairness to the translate engines, they are much useful especially if you know you're own language well. The translate engine will do the rest for you. You just need to compose yours well.
Prior to XDA rules number 3,
Post only using a clear subject and message.
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This of course is true my friend, I was merely asking for a little understanding for those, generally new users, who want help, but are unable to ask in their first language!!
I hope you understand my point.
BTW....I wasn't referring to your post at all, by the way, I would have quoted it if I was.....
We have a saying in my country...I think other countries also!!
Rules were made to be broken.....
I of course am not advocating this at all, but I am making a plea for a little latitude....
A good test of Google Translate is to input something in your first language, have it translated to another language, and then re-translate the output to your first language again, and see just how meanings can change!!
For example, your statement:
My first language is not English but in fairness to the translate engines, they are much useful especially if you know you're own language well. The translate engine will do the rest for you. You just need to compose yours well.
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becomes this:
Language English translation engines are very well first. The rest of the translation engine is done for you. Just need to create.
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When put through translationparty.com
results can be variable, and sometimes funny
Or try this trick:
http://www.webtlk.com/2011/01/28/small-hilarious-list-of-funny-google-translate-tricks/
How does Google know about this?
Open Google Translate.
In the Translate box, type: Will Justin Bieber ever hit puberty
Set translation from English to Vietnamese.
Now, Copy and paste the Vietnamese words and translate them from Vietnamese to English.
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irishpancake said:
Hmmmmm......
seriously folks, I think ppl here should give some/a lot of latitude to posters whose first language is not English.
I think Mulham was trying to be as respectful as he could be, but these translate engines seldom get it fully correct, and perhaps we should bear this in mind when replying.
Just to attempt an answer Mulham, there will never be an "official" upgrade to Android 3.x.......
this was designed by Google as a Tablet operating system, and has been surpassed by both 4.0.x [Ice Cream Sandwich] and more latterly by 4.1.x [Jelly Bean].......
However, because this device is quite capable of running 4.0.x, and probably 4.1.x, there are Custom ICS ROM's in development, notably arco68's CM9, which is actively being developed, and now at Alpha [Build 7]....
there are other CM 9 ROM's, most are based on arco's build, but give a differerent flavoured ICS, use the search or browse in the development section!!!
Of course, CyanogenMod is built from the ground up, from sources, and will have no provider bloat, as you will always see in ROM's from Samsung and their Service Provider partners, so you will have a much better user experience of "pure" Android.......as it was meant to be!!!
There is also just a sniff of CM10......4.1.x [Jelly Bean] here....but far too early to attempt anything yet, let's just wait and see!!!
Unfortunately Mulham, flashing with ClockworkMod Recovery will be the only way to experience these new varieties on our device, as per Samsungs decision to deny ICS for the Galaxy W [GT-i8150].....
a decision which has convinced me personally never to buy Samsung again.....
But, I will enjoy the what our dedicated Dev's produce to show what could have been, if Samsung really cared for it's customers, and not just their Corporate Bottom Line......
Hope you find this answer to be informative!!!
Respect!!
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it's so nice of your long and useful reply, but no offence, part of your reply was exactly the same as mine. wheres the point again? no offence
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and sorry for being mean in my reply. i was reading it really quickly and i didn't really know you are not familiar with english.. sorry if i was really mean.
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it's so nice of your long and useful reply, but no offence, part of your reply was exactly the same as mine. wheres the point again? no offence
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I think you're being offensive already man. Why still ask "wheres the point again". And for new users, they'll need all the help they can get, and I think that's exactly what IP is doing. And good job, taking your words back and apologizing the minute you knew you're being mean.
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Brian_SGW_CM9 said:
it's so nice of your long and useful reply, but no offence, part of your reply was exactly the same as mine. wheres the point again? no offence
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and sorry for being mean in my reply. i was reading it really quickly and i didn't really know you are not familiar with english.. sorry if i was really mean.
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Man, I take no offence whatsoever, you can be assured
I acknowledge your input :good:
And, just to be clear, my first language is English!!!!
But I am a proud Irishman, and I am also familiar with the ancient language of my Nation, Gaeilge, [AKA Gaelic]....
we have been speaking and writing in this Celtic language for Centuries, in Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Brittany, Cornwall, and the Isle of Man.
There is a long history in my Country whereby the ancient language was repressed by the ruling power, which of course is our near and much bigger Country, Great Britain.
This has also been the experience of other cultural minorities where bigger powers ruled, as in USSR, Spain, Latin America, and other countries....which is also why I am sad to see posters being "beaten up" figuratively speaking of course, for not using proper English, when they are expressing themselves as well as they can, respectfully.
We know that the language of the Internet is English, generally speaking, and most fora like this insist on ppl using English, but it should also be acknowledged that there are many languages.
There is, unfortunately, a US/Anglo Cultural Imperialism, which will see the diverse languages of the World eventually go the way of my native tongue, which is now only spoken in remote areas of my country.......
This, in my opinion, is not a good thing......end of lecture!!!
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I think you're being offensive already man. Why still ask "wheres the point again". And for new users, they'll need all the help they can get, and I think that's exactly what IP is doing. And good job, taking your words back and apologizing the minute you knew you're being mean.
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Thank you very much, but there was nothing offensive said, just simple misunderstandings, and apologies are greatfully received, even if I don't know what they are for :laugh:
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Man, I take no offence whatsoever, you can be assured
I acknowledge your input :good:
And, just to be clear, my first language is English!!!!
But I am a proud Irishman, and I am also familiar with the ancient language of my Nation, Gaeilge, [AKA Gaelic]....
we have been speaking and writing in this Celtic language for Centuries, in Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Brittany, Cornwall, and the Isle of Man.
There is a long history in my Country whereby the ancient language was repressed by the ruling power, which of course is our near and much bigger Country, Great Britain.
This has also been the experience of other cultural minorities where bigger powers ruled, as in USSR, Spain, Latin America, and other countries....which is also why I am sad to see posters being "beaten up" figuratively speaking of course, for not using proper English, when they are expressing themselves as well as they can, respectfully.
We know that the language of the Internet is English, generally speaking, and most fora like this insist on ppl using English, but it should also be acknowledged that there are many languages.
There is, unfortunately, a US/Anglo Cultural Imperialism, which will see the diverse languages of the World eventually go the way of my native tongue, which is now only spoken in remote areas of my country.......
This, in my opinion, is not a good thing......end of lecture!!!
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Great read as always Irish! Thanks. Maybe you tell us more in off topic :thumbup:
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irishpancake said:
Man, I take no offence whatsoever, you can be assured
I acknowledge your input :good:
And, just to be clear, my first language is English!!!!
But I am a proud Irishman, and I am also familiar with the ancient language of my Nation, Gaeilge, [AKA Gaelic]....
we have been speaking and writing in this Celtic language for Centuries, in Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Brittany, Cornwall, and the Isle of Man.
There is a long history in my Country whereby the ancient language was repressed by the ruling power, which of course is our near and much bigger Country, Great Britain.
This has also been the experience of other cultural minorities where bigger powers ruled, as in USSR, Spain, Latin America, and other countries....which is also why I am sad to see posters being "beaten up" figuratively speaking of course, for not using proper English, when they are expressing themselves as well as they can, respectfully.
We know that the language of the Internet is English, generally speaking, and most fora like this insist on ppl using English, but it should also be acknowledged that there are many languages.
There is, unfortunately, a US/Anglo Cultural Imperialism, which will see the diverse languages of the World eventually go the way of my native tongue, which is now only spoken in remote areas of my country.......
This, in my opinion, is not a good thing......end of lecture!!!
Thank you very much, but there was nothing offensive said, just simple misunderstandings, and apologies are greatfully received, even if I don't know what they are for :laugh:
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Actually......that apology was for the OP.....
And if my reply to your post was mean.. sorry about that too.
And tbh. I know your first language is English.....
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Dear all,
Thanks a lot to all of you, and for your replies
One more thing, can someone post how to install the Android 4.0 in "Galaxy w" .. ?!!
By the way, this is my way in writing the messages
Thanks.
Regards,
Mulham Darwish
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Dear all,
Thanks a lot to all of you, and for your replies
One more thing, can someone post how to install the Android 4.0 in "Galaxy w" .. ?!!
By the way, this is my way in writing the messages
Thanks.
Regards,
Mulham Darwish
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you can look at the "Galaxy W I8150 Android Development" section, thread titles are descriptive and must look at them first to decide what to try.
First of all, have a look at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1653907
Learn the basics first such as rooting, all the modes, etc
After that learn CWM from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1846449
Look around for other needed knowledges (depends on individual)
Lastly, choose your desired Android 4.0 ROM, there a a few of them at this moment:
Original CM9 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1576874
BioHazard http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1843207
InDroiD REMICS http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1842544
MIUI http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1749067
PARANOIDANDROID Ecstacy http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1753065
Aokp-Milestone6-iattilagy http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1844186
Digital.AOKP-Milestone6.I8150.BZS http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1840869
EHNDROIX http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1850859
RemICS http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1753233
Good luck!
I really wanted to try out that ROM, as it seemed to check all my boxes for my soon to arrive V30+. Looks like the thread got closed due to some antics & egos, and the dev pulled all the links to the files.
Hoping it gets sorted out at some point....
christoophat said:
I really wanted to try out that ROM, as it seemed to check all my boxes for my soon to arrive V30+. Looks like the thread got closed due to some antics & egos, and the dev pulled all the links to the files.
Hoping it gets sorted out at some point....
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me too
I was waiting for a stable release to my v300s ?
Appreciate the hard work but the rom was very alpha. Everything plus the kitchen sink but needed some work.
intruda119 said:
Appreciate the hard work but the rom was very alpha. Everything plus the kitchen sink but needed some work.
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Perhaps, but now.... one less dev for our phones. Saw similar thing in Axon 7 forum, dev ported a bunch of ROMs, get Treble working, then got bored or lack of enough thanks, and split. At least he left the links up.
Ah well...same as it ever was.
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Perhaps, but now.... one less dev for our phones. Saw similar thing in Axon 7 forum, dev ported a bunch of ROMs, get Treble working, then got bored or lack of enough thanks, and split. At least he left the links up.
Ah well...same as it ever was.
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True but that's why treble is great, there's a but load of GSI AOSP roms
From what I've seen so far at least on Axon7, is that most all of the GSIs still have a lot of non-working functions. The advantage of a "modified" stock ROM, is that it uses what was originally written for the device and can utilize all of the features we got the phone for in the first place, DAC, cameras, etc. For me rooted stock, debloated, with a different launcher & maybe some added audio goodies, & I B a happy camper.
But am always watching for custom ROMS that can deliver all the goodies. Fingers crossed. :good:
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Seriously you need to chill down.
Like I already said in one of my previous comments (which you probably asked to be deleted because I was telling the truth) - internet will always be a place for people to hide behind aliases while acting like assholes.
You should have ignored those people or reported them for flaming and offending you, as they are a tiny minority, most of the people actually praised you for your work.
Now ultimately what you do is your choice, but it's kind of a childish thing to do, especially considering the fact that you were also rude towards some people that had no bad intentions.
Once again, I wish you a good luck.
Plus adding less than perfect translation software into the mix can lead to misunderstandings between languages.
There's always some entitled a holes ruining things for everyone, this man put in countless hours building a ROM that rivals anything I've seen as far as features go... And people act like he owes them a frigging wishlist. It's his creation, for himself, that he was kind enough to share with us all. True it wasn't a perfect creation(as few ROMs are), but it clearly said BETA... You can install a ROM but not read, apparently. It's a shame, we lost a great dev.
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There's always some entitled a holes ruining things for everyone, this man put in countless hours building a ROM that rivals anything I've seen as far as features go... And people act like he owes them a frigging wishlist. It's his creation, for himself, that he was kind enough to share with us all. True it wasn't a perfect creation(as few ROMs are), but it clearly said BETA... You can install a ROM but not read, apparently. It's a shame, we lost a great dev.
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Pretty much
We have different definitions of great dev.
I choose quality over quantity.
intruda119 said:
We have different definitions of great dev.
I choose quality over quantity.
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Since it was only the one ROM, huh?
christoophat said:
Since it was only the one ROM, huh?
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Exactly. If people didn't like the ROM they could ignore it. Some devs like suggestions, others have a take it or leave it attitude. It's their ROM, so they have that right -- especially when it's not a branded group ROM like Resurrection Remix or something.
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Since it was only the one ROM, huh?
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No. But getting to the point of a stable release helps. Rom was heading in a great direction if he wanted to continue the work. Best feature rich original rom ive seen in quite some time. Last few days of the thread was just asking questions. People were losing wifi, bluetooth and other issues. Someone mentioned volume slider being like 1-300 that pissed him off. Volume slider did nothing between 1-250 though.
This is not entitlement or being a ahole. When a dev decides to throw 1 million new features into a device the dev/creator might lose focus on the devs vision. Unless something was brewing before i entered the thread was nothing a seasoned user of xda/forums couldnt handle.
Rom was inconsistent across the board with parts installed that didnt work. Majority of the features didnt work correctly and we knew this rom was beta. But instead of being up front in the op users like myself didnt know what i was getting into. Nothing mentioned in the op about magisk or xposed not working. That you need to enable 20 apps to stop the annoyong popups all over the place.
Gboard stopped working in cettain apps. Which i woupd have mentioned nicely. Putting things q0 layers deep is sonmething also.
Being upfront would avoid a portion of the questions(atleast the users who read). Workinf smarter vs harder could have avoided some of the bs questions. I believe this rom was one of a kind which brings its own challenges.
Hopefully the dev comes back and shares his work again. Believe in being blunt with folks, enough people lying to us daily.
Conatructive critism. I do appreciate the hard work.
While some on here were harsh, he was a tool himself.
Agree with the above. And again, I feel that language barrier played a part in all this, as I have seen in other threads where non English speaking person reading something in translation that sounds derogatory to him tempers flare & it starts going in the toilet. Awaiting my V30, was searching thru the threads to find which I thought would be what I need. His held some promise, but yeah there were a lot of jumping thru hoops activity to get it installed/working etc per what I was reading thru.There was a dev in the Axon7 section who released like 6 different ROMS, all in the same thread , it became a nightmare just trying to keep track of which ROM was which. I was kind of surprised the mods let it go that way.
Simple & direct is bestest
intruda119 said:
Appreciate the hard work but the rom was very alpha. Everything plus the kitchen sink but needed some work.
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You see, those things make a great dev quit, like just be grateful, the Dev knows those problems and did his best, and all he get was "can you please fix [something] " or people not actually reading the thread properly
It's simple folks. Really. Members who contribute work here don't owe anyone anything. Not updates, fixes, explanations, nothing. This isn't a candy store, and nobody has the right to demand anything from anyone, or criticize anyone for anything. If you don't like someone's work, or it's not up to your standards, then move on to something else, quietly. Or even better, create your own work, anyone can learn. And this site has many resources to help you learn.
On the flip side, people will complain, whine and demand, it can't be avoided. But, we have a report system for anyone over the top or too disrespectful. Or, simply ignore them. Getting upset and lashing out is definitely no way to handle it, and will end up bringing trouble to your door.
This is the internet, without a thick skin, it's a harsh place to be.
Developers do this for free and for fun, and no one has the right to complain about anything. And, if it's not fun anymore, I suggest another hobby. Life's too short to spend time on something that's lost its charm for you.
And so, thread closed. Don't need a thread to debate any of the above. Anyone here could start developing, instead of waiting for others to do it. So let's move on. :good:
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