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Is it just me, or do games run badly on ICS?

I've owned Android devices prior the Nexus, and one thing that's always bothered me is that my Android could never run games as smoothly as the iPhone, while it has more power under the hood. I download Fruit Ninja and Scrambled on my Nexus and it seems to lag and stutters... are all games like this on the Nexus?

I would think it's because the game is not optimized for ICS yet. So you will get some lag and stuttering with those games.

What rom/kernel combo you running? On aokp & franco kernel, I play jelly defense, battle heart, scramble with friends, draw something, sprinkle, etc & have no lag...
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Temple Run is lagging when you play it for a while, same with many other 3D games....

AOKP + franco r135 512mhz GPU and I have no lag in games. Little Empire, Dead Space, Modern Combat 3, Legendary Heroes, Zenonia 4. I run those and more all lag free and atleast 50-60 fps at all times.

zetsumeikuro said:
AOKP + franco r135 512mhz GPU and I have no lag in games. Little Empire, Dead Space, Modern Combat 3, Legendary Heroes, Zenonia 4. I run those and more all lag free and atleast 50-60 fps at all times.
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You'r gpu is clocked almost twice as high
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ray3andrei said:
You'r gpu is clocked almost twice as high
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384 is the stock clock =/= 2x gpu clock. Even then it only makes a 5-6 fps differnece in most circumstances. Could have better results in different apps but nenamark i saw a 5-6 fps difference.

Temple Run is stuttering in Galaxy Nexus 4.0.4 stock

I really think it's just software optimizaitons that need to be done imo. I'm sure with time it'll get better. Cause I'm running Temple Run perfectly no lag/stutters.

I personally wouldn't play Fruit ninja as they were in news in hot water over passing on our details.
As for games on Galaxy Nexus, they run slower than SGS2 and I think that's simply the limitations of the graphics chip which is as old as the hills.

I use a GSM Galaxy Nexus, stock, no overclock, no frills, just rooted to use Titanium Backup, never had any lags in Fruit Ninja, runs fine... Temple Run, ocasionally will stutter, but it is rare and most of the time I just play 20, 30 times and no stutter at all... GTA III also plays fine.
Obviously it is not the best performer, and, as you probably now, there is the same iPhone 4 GPU under the hood of our devices, only that it got extra memory bandwidth and extra clock to perform better (and also a HD screen that will eat-up some of this extra performance)... But I believe, at least as far as my own experience goes, that it is a decent performer, altough there are better alternatives as far as gaming goes (and I would believe that probably HTC One X would be the best Android gaming phone alternative as far as graphic performance is concerned right now).

Baguett said:
Temple Run is lagging when you play it for a while, same with many other 3D games....
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I've played it long enough to unlock most characters, and all powerups maxed. Never lagged once.

zetsumeikuro said:
384 is the stock clock =/= 2x gpu clock. Even then it only makes a 5-6 fps differnece in most circumstances. Could have better results in different apps but nenamark i saw a 5-6 fps difference.
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Actually, 307mhz is because Google underclocked it, stock.

adrynalyne said:
I've played it long enough to unlock most characters, and all powerups maxed. Never lagged once.
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I have almost the same exact scenario, unlocked almost everything with no lag issues what so ever.

zetsumeikuro said:
384 is the stock clock =/= 2x gpu clock. Even then it only makes a 5-6 fps differnece in most circumstances. Could have better results in different apps but nenamark i saw a 5-6 fps difference.
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miketoasty said:
I have almost the same exact scenario, unlocked almost everything with no lag issues what so ever.
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It doesn´t lag, bit it run like at 25fps or so, not as smooth as 60fps (I am refering when there are many coins in the screen and you are running too fast)

How are you quantifying that it runs at 25fps? Is there a fps counter somewhere?

Baguett said:
Temple Run is lagging when you play it for a while, same with many other 3D games....
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nope, not for me. it runs even smoother than the version for the iphone .
maybe the gpu in the nexus is not the fastest one, maybe there are other phones that are much faster.... I DON'T CARE! i didn't bought my nexus to play games all day, i bought it to synchronize my calender, my notes, make calls and write sms and maybe some internet surfing.
you also all bought this phone, so why complain? it's like buying yourself a motorbike and then complaining about the fact that it only has 2 wheels.

Enabling Force GPU acceleration in the developer options under Settings might improve the performance of some games. Although it will might also make some games look weird.

MikeDaSpike said:
Enabling Force GPU acceleration in the developer options under Settings might improve the performance of some games. Although it will might also make some games look weird.
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Games are already GPU accelerated. You can't doubly accelerate them

i play gta iii, MC3, wind-up knight, shadow gun and fifa and no lag whatsoever
oh and drawsome too lol!

How is GFX performance in JB?

Im asking since i just got my Nexus about a week ago and immediatly flashed JB stock ROM. My gripe with the Nexus before JB was the weak-ish GPU it had which made me steer away from it until JB announcement just made me get it no questions. Now im testing ShadowGun and it plays perfectly smooth and Quadrant 2D/3D benchmarks always are at or near 60fps. Since i did not have a Nexus in the ICS days, are GFX/Games better in JB or was performance the same? Because i underestimated the GPU before but its doing a great job so far in my tests... note to self: Just try the damn thing and forget the specs on paper *lesson learned
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Im asking since i just got my Nexus about a week ago and immediatly flashed JB stock ROM. My gripe with the Nexus before JB was the weak-ish GPU it had which made me steer away from it until JB announcement just made me get it no questions. Now im testing ShadowGun and it plays perfectly smooth and Quadrant 2D/3D benchmarks always are at or near 60fps. Since i did not have a Nexus in the ICS days, are GFX/Games better in JB or was performance the same? Because i underestimated the GPU before but its doing a great job so far in my tests... note to self: Just try the damn thing and forget the specs on paper *lesson learned
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about quadrant and the 59fps.. our devices are capped at 59fps. plus, our screen resolution is larger than most other devices, more pixels to push. so, at 59fps, it still looks great, on ics and jellybean. in jellybean we did gain a few more fps, but not in quadrant. if you want, go to the the main settings, developer settings, enable force gpu rendering. things will look a bit better, in the ui especially and in apps that can use gpu rendering. the "weak" gpu is just a myth that the media has scared us with.

I'm in ICS 4.0.4 and I feel sometimes Shadowgun doen't play all that smooth... don't know if it gets better in JB... but it's not 60fps... no way...

Marcio_Bianco said:
I'm in ICS 4.0.4 and I feel sometimes Shadowgun doen't play all that smooth... don't know if it gets better in JB... but it's not 60fps... no way...
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run nenamark2, thats the real fps that youre getting with some 3D games. using trinity kernel, i get 38.2fps. stock was around 31fps, if i remember right).

simms22 said:
run nenamark2, thats the real fps that youre getting with some 3D games. using trinity kernel, i get 38.2fps. stock was around 31fps, if i remember right).
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FTFY

adrynalyne said:
FTFY
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oh yea, thanks

simms22 said:
run nenamark2, thats the real fps that youre getting with some 3D games. using trinity kernel, i get 38.2fps. stock was around 31fps, if i remember right).
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thanks, I'll give it a try...
what about stock ICS vs. stock JB? any increase in gaming performance? or fps in nenamark?
EDIT: just ran nenamark, and got 26.6 fps...

Need For Speed Most Wanted

I've played many high end Apps on my SGS2 for quite some time (IE:Shadow Gun, Modern Combat, etc) with no problem or lag whatsoever. But now a days it feels as if those same games feel rather laggy on my same phone. (Stock but rooted). I found Need For Speed Most Wanted to be rather fun but there are times where it lags very badly. Is this everyone? And if so.. How can I over clock but stay as stock as possible? A guide would be lovely. Thanks in advance
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I have a few lag issues (unnoticeable). Maybe trying running an AOSP ROM like CM10 or AOKP? Also you could try the h0tcakez kernel, which also has GPU Overclock. Also trying using the CPU rendering = GPU rendering mod which helps to free up the CPU.

The adreno 220 chip in these phones is already past its prime guys. Be thankful the games even play half as well as they do.
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Comments like the one above are just so pointless.. Go away .
It's true though, three GPU in or phone was nothing new when it went in in the first place... but is far from not being good enough to play these new games.
I have also been play NFS most wanted, but i have not had any of the slow Downs of lag your seeing. Granted i am on paranoid android with my CPU and GPU OC'd'... but my wife's sensation also plays it super smooth and i have her CPU undercloxked to help with battery same CPU and GPU...

The game shows incompatible on my SGH-T989 with kodoo stock 4.04 firmware.
can someone help me sort it out?

Where can I get NFS MW?
Sent from an iPhone, ***** please it came from a T989 from the future

Who is playing this game. I need some SP points in carrer mode. I have login to Orgin and I am looking for some friends: 1adamos

T889 Gaming Performance? Mine has noticeable lag

How is everyone's gaming performance on their T-Mobile Galaxy Note 2? Mine seems pretty low for some reason...
NFS Most Wanted seems to only run at about 20-30fps, Dead Trigger stutters often on high graphics, and the worst one Riptide GP performs much worse than on my Galaxy S3 (with Snapdragon S4)
Riptide GP works perfect on my Galaxy S3 at full resolution in the settings, no hitching and feels like 50-60fps. On my Note 2 it feels like 30 fps average (which feels horrible to me, I'm a 60fps+ only PC gamer) with drops to about 15fps happening often causing a ton of stutter. Even if I turn the resolution all the way down in the settings it still stutters, although not as much.
I was under the impression that the Exynos 4412 + Mali 400 was superior to my Galaxy S3's Snapdragon S4 and that gaming performance would be much better.
I am on stock rom and stock kernel, haven't messed with the phone at all yet. I've tried turning on and off all the power saving features and restarting the phone to see if maybe those were stuck on. Anyone else here able to play Riptide GP smoothly? I'm thinking maybe it's just a problem with cpu/gpu throttling, although I'm not sure why they would have it so bad on the stock rom.

lol how does that happen?? try a quadrant run to see the results
i get max fps on all games i play on it that includes NFS MW

i play everything on high / ultra and don't have framrate issues. deadtrigger deadzone etc, maybe something is running in the bg?

Yea very odd. I've had no lag in any game and I've tried all games on the highest settings. I've played all emulators as well including the PlayStation as well.
From the Best: Note 2

I also came from an S3 from TMo, and Riptide GP when set to maximum graphics would noticeably stutter. The Note 2 however plays it buttery smooth at max settings. Maybe a factory reset is in order?

Make sure you don't have power saving on as well.
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Odd that you have that issue. Between Nova 3, Shadowgun, Worms, NFS Most Wanted, Asphalt 7, The Dark Knight Rises, and Dead Space I haven't had any stutters.
Might be what you have running in the background
noted for future reference on my Note 2

Like I said I have all the power save options off, I have tried closing all BG apps and tried clearing the RAM and restarting the device.
I just closed apps, cleared ram, and ran GLBenchmark on my Galaxy S3 (Snapdragon S4) and T889 (Exynos 4412) simultaneously.
About half the scenes were smoth on both devices, and half the scenes were very sluggish on the T889 while they were still fluid on the Galaxy S3.
The end result:
T889 GLBenchmark 2.5 Egypt HD C24Z16: 1950 frames.
Galaxy S3 GLBenchmark 2.5 Egypt HD C24Z16: 2348 frames
So my Snapdragon Galaxy S3 edged out my Note 2 by almost 20% but it seemed like even more of a difference watching visually, where the Note 2 lagged in some scenes while the S3 stayed smooth in those scenes. I'm not sure why my Galaxy S3 is so much smoother in games I have already tried a factory reset. Maybe I'll try to flash a new kernel and rom, I honestly think the stock rom chokes the GPU or CPU too much with throttling I'm guessing. I just don't know why no one else has this problem!
Just curious what do you guys get on the GLBenchmark 2.5 Egypt HD C24Z16 on your T889's? I did "onscreen" for both devices. Do you notice that some of the scenes seem like they have a veryyy low framerate? (10-15fps while my S3 seemed like it was 20fps+)

maybe try installing a new rom, a fresh start see what happens because that is not normal

I ran the same benchmark on two note 2's and got roughly the same as yours.
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Some gpu's are better at some things than others. Run quadrant on both and see what the real time fps are. I know my s3 in quadrant during the dna test at the end would average 33 fps while the note 2 gets almost double that. Same with other parts of that test. Antutu most of the graphics tests are very close.

You should know that Exynos is particularly weak at drawing triangles compared to Adenos. Go take to look at Anandtech's review. I think Exynos 5 has a lot better triangle drawings compared to Exynos 4.
All GPUs have their own weak and strength points.

Compared to the Nexus 4 GLBenchmark I've seen, GN2's much worse. But mine ran Most Wanted without a problem. And since my Nexus4 is in limbo I can't really complain.

wngmv said:
Compared to the Nexus 4 GLBenchmark I've seen, GN2's much worse. But mine ran Most Wanted without a problem. And since my Nexus4 is in limbo I can't really complain.
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Nexus 4 is pretty much next generation hardware. The Snapdragon S4 Pro and Adreno 320 GPU are at the absolute top of the Android food chain right now.

boodies said:
maybe try installing a new rom, a fresh start see what happens because that is not normal
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This. Installed Jedi 4 rom with the Perseus kernel and it's muchhh better. Still not perfectly 60fps smooth, but it is a lot better.
I'm pretty sure my suspicious about throttling were right though, even on the Jedi 4 rom with the Pegasusq governor the throttling still seems a little too harsh. I opened up Riptide and then started System Tuner and reset the "Times" page. Then I played through a whole race with a little bit of slowdown (which is to be expected, but it is wayyyy better than before) then I went right back to system tuner and it shows that pretty much the whole race the CPU core clocks were at 500mhz, 600mhz, and a little bit at 700/800mhz. Literally didn't touch 900mhz - 1.6ghz at all the entire race.
Tried the performance governor where it stuck at 1.6ghz and the race was definitely 60fps through the whole thing, although I'm sure this really hammers the battery. I wish there was a happy medium, if the game is not running at 60fps I wish the governor would ramp up to more than 800mhz to try and reach that 60fps but I'm still happy I'm geting equal / better performance than my S3 now!
The same goes for Shadowgun Deadzone, plays pretty smooth with a little bit of slow down, but if I force the performance governor it's 100% smooth. We need a new gaming governor!

Try ondemand? Maybe thats is a happy medium.

initial_k said:
I was playing Granny Smith on my Note II and compare it side by side with an Iphone 5. The Note II was stutter, however you wouldn't notice it if it wasn't for the iphone 5 being very smooth.
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Thank you for your valuable opinion, this is just not a review section nor iPhone related.

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Try ondemand? Maybe thats is a happy medium.
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Unfortunately there's only Pegasusq and performance on this rom, so I've been setting it to performance and 1ghz max freq when gaming, works great!

B.Jay said:
Thank you for your valuable opinion, this is just not a review section nor iPhone related.
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What,... I was on topic on why the Galaxy Note 2 has noticeable lag? I did a side to side comparison with my Galaxy Note 2 and it does not run as smoothly as the iphone 5. So obviously the GPU is not nearly as good as I would have hope for. Is the word Iphone not allowed around here?

No its not. Never say the iphone is better than anything. ...har har
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Game Performance (Thinking of Selling)

Hi. I bought the 551 version with 2gb ram and 16gb memory a few days ago. So far the experience has been good. I'm just having problems running the game I regularly play, Crusaders Quest. It slows down to a crawl at times specially if I don't reboot my phone. I'm thinking it's a ram problem. Maybe I should get the 4gb ram one? Or it won't make a difference? Or is it the limitations of the GPU? Should I just switch to the nexus 5 instead?
Appreciate if you guys would chime in before I decide to sell the phone over the weekend. Thanks.

prinzhernan said:
Hi. I bought the 551 version with 2gb ram and 16gb memory a few days ago. So far the experience has been good. I'm just having problems running the game I regularly play, Crusaders Quest. It slows down to a crawl at times specially if I don't reboot my phone. I'm thinking it's a ram problem. Maybe I should get the 4gb ram one? Or it won't make a difference? Or is it the limitations of the GPU? Should I just switch to the nexus 5 instead?
Appreciate if you guys would chime in before I decide to sell the phone over the weekend. Thanks.
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I bought the 551 with 4 gig RAM, and 64 gig HDD. I came from the note 4 edge and haven't looked back. If you let me know what games specifically you are playing I can test them out, but this phone hasn't even broken a sweat for anything I need it to do.

prinzhernan said:
Hi. I bought the 551 version with 2gb ram and 16gb memory a few days ago. So far the experience has been good. I'm just having problems running the game I regularly play, Crusaders Quest. It slows down to a crawl at times specially if I don't reboot my phone. I'm thinking it's a ram problem. Maybe I should get the 4gb ram one? Or it won't make a difference? Or is it the limitations of the GPU? Should I just switch to the nexus 5 instead?
Appreciate if you guys would chime in before I decide to sell the phone over the weekend. Thanks.
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should be related to memory leak in android 5.0.1.. 2gb ram was never enough if memory leak is not fixed..4gb version still can manage and handle the leak, no solution so far unless you root it and install xposed fix memory leak module which also helped me in my case..other than that, just wait till asus push higher version of android such as 5.1 that was said to have better memory management..

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I bought the 551 with 4 gig RAM, and 64 gig HDD. I came from the note 4 edge and haven't looked back. If you let me know what games specifically you are playing I can test them out, but this phone hasn't even broken a sweat for anything I need it to do.
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Could you try playing crusaders quest please. I'd like to know the performance before I get the 4gb one one later.

cangcan said:
should be related to memory leak in android 5.0.1.. 2gb ram was never enough if memory leak is not fixed..4gb version still can manage and handle the leak, no solution so far unless you root it and install xposed fix memory leak module which also helped me in my case..other than that, just wait till asus push higher version of android such as 5.1 that was said to have better memory management..
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Thanks for the explanation. Didn't know a about that since my last android device was kitkat and it was a tablet.

just tried it on my 4gb 1.83ghz zenfone 2. zero lag with the game, but boy that in game graphic is terrible.

jdaclutch said:
just tried it on my 4gb 1.83ghz zenfone 2. zero lag with the game, but boy that in game graphic is terrible.
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Thanks a lot man. Haha. You mean by terrible, the graphics look like 8bit Gameboy or whatnot? It's really like that and I like games like that. Did you go to the actual battle?

Could be throttling due to temps. Its highly unlikely this game is slowing down due to RAM/GPU/CPU unless the device is throttling. What's your ambient temperature there?

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Could be throttling due to temps. Its highly unlikely this game is slowing down due to RAM/GPU/CPU unless the device is throttling. What's your ambient temperature there?
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It's around 40 degrees Celsius here. So you really think it's not a ram problem? When I run the game I can't even multi task. If I leave the app when I go back to it, it relaunches.

prinzhernan said:
It's around 40 degrees Celsius here. So you really think it's not a ram problem? When I run the game I can't even multi task. If I leave the app when I go back to it, it relaunches.
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Yea. That's hot, man. Your phone is likely throttling.
The issue with it closing when multitasking is a Asus kernel setting issue. Check your free RAM. I don't believe its a 5.0 leak issue. The leak manifests itself differently than this.
The 4gb version will help with apps closing, but not with the throttling. The Zenfone 2 is beyond powerful enough to run this game.

40°C is still cool enough..i think i remember that i read somewhere before, zenfone kernel started to throttle cpu when it reach 55°c, correct me if im wrong..but unlike my samsung S3, when using lollipop custom rom the temperature usually stays on 40-47°C while using the phone, so phone like this powerful zf2 should not have any problem even on 40°C..but just my two cent yet, anything can be a problem on this phone, unless they update in to newer lollipop and unlock BL so developer may help to improve the kernel and rom level of zf2..

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It's around 40 degrees Celsius here. So you really think it's not a ram problem? When I run the game I can't even multi task. If I leave the app when I go back to it, it relaunches.
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its the problem of low free ram only,dont worry.I guess after updating to latest 5.1 x64bit lollipop...it wont have ram issues hopefully,and this prob only in 2gb,4gb can easily kill anyother phone interms of multitasking

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40°C is still cool enough..i think i remember that i read somewhere before, zenfone kernel started to throttle cpu when it reach 55°c, correct me if im wrong..but unlike my samsung S3, when using lollipop custom rom the temperature usually stays on 40-47°C while using the phone, so phone like this powerful zf2 should not have any problem even on 40°C..but just my two cent yet, anything can be a problem on this phone, unless they update in to newer lollipop and unlock BL so developer may help to improve the kernel and rom level of zf2..
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40c is his ambient temperature, man... Not the temp of the phone.
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its the problem of low free ram only,dont worry.I guess after updating to latest 5.1 x64bit lollipop...it wont have ram issues hopefully,and this prob only in 2gb,4gb can easily kill anyother phone interms of multitasking
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Yes, you'll have far fewer RAM issues with 4gb. I thought you were having other issues, according to your OP.

prinzhernan said:
Thanks a lot man. Haha. You mean by terrible, the graphics look like 8bit Gameboy or whatnot? It's really like that and I like games like that. Did you go to the actual battle?
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yes, can't stand that 8bit graphic, didn't even want to get into the actual battle because of the graphic...the phone itself is fine.

I do find this phone heats up more than others I've used....would like to find a custom back, something that would allow greater airflow for gaming. If you play a heavy game, just pop the case off and let the extra airflow through.

Hi All, I was playing contest of champion from kabam, my problem is that when I just launch the game it look really nice in full HD graphic, and after 2 games when the heat goes up, no more HD , and when play after about 1/2 hour the graphic start choppy or even stuck in some point. anyone having the same problem ? Thanks

This might be because zf2 has 64-bit processor running with 32-bit lollipop......32-bit won't handle 64-bit efficiently
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According to anandtech's review, the Zenfone 2 is not affected by throttling issues. Maybe the game you want to play is not x86 friendly and the slowdowns are because of binary translation (ARM emulation).
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Stephen 26 said:
This might be because zf2 has 64-bit processor running with 32-bit lollipop......32-bit won't handle 64-bit efficiently
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it's not 32bit lollipop, CPU Z clearly says the kernel is 64 bit. plus, how can a 32bit OS manage 4 gb of RAM?

Buk-Lau said:
it's not 32bit lollipop, CPU Z clearly says the kernel is 64 bit. plus, how can a 32bit OS manage 4 gb of RAM?
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It could.
That said yes, it's a 64b version. Even about phone will show x86_64.
40C Yep, ambient temp and that's HOT -> phone starts OUT AT 40C, so pretty much ANY stress on it's going to hit thermal throttling PDQ.