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i already change 3 roms within one week. I just want to know that which rom is the best?. because in one rom I had a big benifit of loud speaker when i turn my cellphone face down i autometically turn on, but that rom dont have any shortcuts for programs on home screen. Now i download deepshining X1 the latest one but it doesn't turn on my loud speaker during call when i place it face down. So please anybody advised me which roms is the best in all sense. because it is very hard to install your programs and games again and again. I saw a person have lock screen same like Iphone on tp2. i dont know no how to get that. Anyways please help me with that. Thanks. i will appreciate your effort. Sorry if i am in wrong section.
I have t-mobil TOUCH PRO 2
WINDOWS 6.5
mhassanz said:
Hi!
i already change 3 roms within one week. I just want to know that which rom is the best?. because in one rom I had a big benifit of loud speaker when i turn my cellphone face down i autometically turn on, but that rom dont have any shortcuts for programs on home screen. Now i download deepshining X1 the latest one but it doesn't turn on my loud speaker during call when i place it face down. So please anybody advised me which roms is the best in all sense. because it is very hard to install your programs and games again and again. I saw a person have lock screen same like Iphone on tp2. i dont know no how to get that. Anyways please help me with that. Thanks. i will appreciate your effort. Sorry if i am in wrong section.
I have t-mobil TOUCH PRO 2
WINDOWS 6.5
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I understand what you're asking but "which rom to get" is not appropriate, insulting to the chefs, and very subjective. This thread shall be soon be closed i'm sure, right mods??
But to answer some of your post, the face down speaker phone option you speaking of wanting to do is available as a tweak in almost all roms and is a simple registry tweak (as are all other tweaks) that you can do your self, just search for it and i'm sure you'll find it..
Misunderstanding
I didn't mean it. I dont know which is best like that have almost every option because people here tried almost every rom. I jst tried 3 roms so that is why. Like i installa new rom last night and my camera is not working on that. Unbealiveable
Not again...
There is no such "perfect ROM"!!!
This has been commented many times before.
What is perfect for me could be not for you
Try them all and decide what fits you better
Also as a general idea, enter to ROM section and see what is the one more users have installed, that would give you an idea
orb3000 said:
There is no such "perfect ROM"!!!
This has been commented many times before.
What is perfect for me could be not for you
Try them all and decide what fits you better
Also as a general idea, enter to ROM section and see what is the one more users have installed, that would give you an idea
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This.
You can look at the number of replies in the threads to get an idea which ones you might want to try. Most chefs are also courteous enough to list many of the features and tweaks of their ROMs in the first couple of posts of the thread.
If it helps, some of the more popular ROMs are Valkyrie, the various Energy ROMs, and the various Cell series ROMs.
Perfect roms don't exist. All have pros and cons, its like everyone here is saying, you just have to find one that fits you.
Anyways, on a positive note, the lock application I believe you are looking for is S2U2: http://ac-s2.com/
Take a cooking class
I too, want the PERFECT rom...but for that I will need to learn my way around the kitchen and cook one up myself. Even stock roms have glitches. The difference is that most, if not all the chefs here try to stay on top of glitches. You may need to make some "sacrifices" to what your idea of a perfect rom is, and instead have a really damned good rom. I am still running stock for warranty purposes, as my device is VERY new, that being said, I have spoken with many cooks here as well as many Rhodium "pros", and have come to the conclusion that Energy roms and JoshKoss roms are very good. I cannot tell you from personal experience about these roms, as I stated above, I do know that Chef Josh has been very kind and quick in responding to me over past inquiries.
I wish you luck. Perhaps you should instead consider reading the many extensive tutorials that explain the kitchen. This may be the only way to get YOUR perfect rom. What I may think is perfect you may think is crap. A little scenario...last night I spent HOURS making dinner, I thought it was very good, as did my kids, my husband, however, thought it was just OKAY. Same with the various roms. The chefs cannot please everyone all the time, so perhaps the only sure-fire way to get a perfect rom is to make it yourself.
The perfect ROM - Stock...
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The perfect ROM - Stock...
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ha ha!!
jach707 said:
The perfect ROM - Stock...
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In terms of stability and speed, I have yet to tweak anything to match my stock 6.1.
In terms of eye candy and usefulness, I really like the Energy Leo 6.5 w/ sense 2.5. Most of the features really reduce the time it takes to get to my favorite locations.
Please
Please stop posting in this thread so it falls off, for it is totally pointless.
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if you have question so where you can go?
i post that thread because i had a problem with my rom. First of all i recently bought my cellphone then i join this site, and i am learning these stuff like what is rom what is tweak and these kind of stuff. and i post this thread because it was written their discuss Q&A and this type of stuff, but if its hurt someone, i appologize about that and I will not post any thread again here
mhassanz said:
i post that thread because i had a problem with my rom. First of all i recently bought my cellphone then i join this site, and i am learning these stuff like what is rom what is tweak and these kind of stuff. and i post this thread because it was written their discuss Q&A and this type of stuff, but if its hurt someone, i appologize about that and I will not post any thread again here
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So you didn't get the answer you wanted so you are going to take your toys and go home?? No offense but your response sounded like something my 9 year old would throw at me.
Several people answered with rom possibilities, but we also said that the elusive PERFECT ROM is truly a matter of taste. Stable roms are built of off stock 6.1 or 6.5's, and 6.5.3 builds have extra bells and whistles but the consensus seems to be that they are buggier.
I myself stated Energy or JoshKoss roms a few entries above. While I have not tested them myself, the various pages and pages of reviews sound very positive. Others have made other suggestion.
You are chasing unicorns. Period. The only truly perfect rom would be one you build yourself. No chef can cater to your specific wants and needs (unless you PM them and arrange some form of compensation for their time). What I feel would be perfect may be the total opposite of what you or John Doe thinks.
I'm sorry you didn't get the answer you hoped for, and if you choose to not participate in the forums that will be your choice, and frankly, your loss. We have tried to do our best to point you in a direction that may help you. If none of the suggestions fit your needs, then learn to cook your own rom. I understand that it can be tedious to read the many pages associated with the various cooked roms, but I have managed to do that with several of them, you can too. It is the only way you will learn what works and what doesn't. We will guide you, but we won't do the work for you.
I apologize if this seems rude, but it has become quite frustrating to see yet another "perfect rom" thread.
Perfect ROM
Near as I can figure, the perfect ROM is the Apple iphone. Or at least it seems to me that post after post after post is users trying to make Windows Mobile, Look, Act, Feel, Sound like an iphone.
As a not so bright end user of many of the forum genius's works and yet, also devoted fan of Windows Mobile since early Ipaq days, I've found Energy Phoenix to be my personal favorite for hands on simplicity, ease of use and having all the basic features of my TILT 2 working. Curiously before I found that you could even have a custom ROM, I was using as a desktop background one of the pics he uses as his ROM background defaults. So that's how I was attracted to trying it. Pretty retarded huh?
I also use SBP Mobile Shell and have said to **** with POOPFLO3D. I swear I'd like to find the HTC guy who came up with that one and womp em a good one.
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Near as I can figure, the perfect ROM is the Apple iphone.
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iPhone's OS is the perfect "ROM" for an idiot that barely knows how to turn on his/her phone.
Though I'm perpetuating this thread moving to the top of the topic, can one of the mods please close this thread. PLEASE...
CLOSE please!
Just another "what is the best ROM" thread. PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD.
Am I correct in my understanding that OpenDesire (and DeFrost) just more fleshed out versions of CM6 (nightlies)? It seems that they share most of the same features, except that some things like apps2sd is not yet well supported in CM6...
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Am I correct in my understanding that OpenDesire (and DeFrost) just more fleshed out versions of CM6 (nightlies)? It seems that they share most of the same features, except that some things like apps2sd is not yet well supported in CM6...
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cm6 is the origin. od and df are both copies (with minal changes) of cm6. i've tested them all in many versions. i can say that cm6 is the best in all categories (speed, battery, oj-bug [never had that with cm6]).
but i think this thread should be closed. there are already two other threads about that question....aaaand test it yourseld ;-)
My opinion: CM ftw!
And now let the flame wars begin.
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My opinion: CM ftw!
And now let the flame wars begin.
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Such childish comment.
If you want to compare these 3 roms I suggest you try them out yourselves and form your own conclusion.
Thanks for your answers. The reason for my question was that I am getting a bit tired of switching between different releases, and would like to find one release that satisfies my requirements, sees active development, and works. I'm currently using OpenDesire, and based on the responses I guess there's really no reason to switch from one to the other as they are basically the same. The main motivation for trying OpenDesire above CM 6 was that apps2sd comes preconfigured, i.e. there is less hassle setting it up.
Also, seeing as they are quite similar, there will probably be little help in switching from one to the other to solve problems such as dying OJ, intermittent unresponsive screen, and others.
i've been using defrost since 0.4 or something like that richardtrip always took good care of his users and always tries his best to give us a good, fast and stable rom. and please stop these ****ty threads all ready they suck and serve no purpose except flaming and *****ing.
ppl these roms are all open source use the one you like, stick with it if you are happy if not switch stop making these threads!
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.....please stop these ****ty threads all ready they suck and serve no purpose except flaming and *****ing.
ppl these roms are all open source use the one you like, stick with it if you are happy if not switch stop making these threads!
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ivan_white said:
ppl these roms are all open source use the one you like, stick with it if you are happy if not switch stop making these threads!
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To be fair, it served my need, but I can see that it is quickly degenerating with your complaints.
look we all need to understand one thing,
Take you phone into your hand, turn it around,
now start reading
htc
WITH HTC SENSE
so we all bought phones from HTC, not XDA, not richardtrip, kali, adamg or <enter name of dev>, it's pure luck that somebody somewhere decided to invest his spare time, resources and GOOD WILL to make something for us users. It's not a right to use custom ROMs, it's a privilege and a damed big one!
We all need to tone down with *****ing and nagging people who do this just for us, not for HTC, not for google and they aren't employed by us to produce thes ROMs. Can you even begin to understand how many ppl at google and HTC worked on the original ROM? Hundreds. How many beta testers tested releases that come every few months? Possibly a few hundred maybe even thousands initially for google and still they miss a bug or even 10s of bugs. Now there are a few good people here who use their knowledge and time to give us better roms, They don't have resources of big companies like Google and HTC and yet they make great roms for us, for free.
So please people stop making threads about rom vs rom, stop *****ing who stole what from who, this all is an open source community and everyone here needs to understand that anyone can take their work and change it so it fits their needs better. Devs are good people and they try their best to give us something better every day, we as users can choose our flavors just like ice cream, or frozen yogurt for that matter, you don't go to the people who made your ice cream when you don't like it, you just get another flavor based on what you can learn from the people who like that other flavor.
Let me sum it up a bit,
if you are using CM, then go to the CM thread and ask questions there,
let me give you and example,
"how is your battery on the latest build?"
if you want to know something about battery life on DeFrost you go to the Defrost thread and first search a little bit, than if you can't find the answer post
"am using CM and get 34 hours from my battery, do you get more on DeFrost and does DeFrost support <insert the name of what you need>" and than wait for an answer,
making a new thread like this isn't going to help you or anybody else for that matter. it's just going to start flame wars from fan-boys of each rom and then people start throwing stupid accusations like "this is just a copy of that" with no evidence what so ever and then the whole community suffers cos you had to open another thread instead of looking into threads that already exist.
ivan_white said:
look we all need to understand one thing,
Take you phone into your hand, turn it around,
now start reading
htc
WITH HTC SENSE
so we all bought phones from HTC, not XDA, not richardtrip, kali, adamg or <enter name of dev>, it's pure luck that somebody somewhere decided to invest his spare time, resources and GOOD WILL to make something for us users. It's not a right to use custom ROMs, it's a privilege and a damed big one!
We all need to tone down with *****ing and nagging people who do this just for us, not for HTC, not for google and they aren't employed by us to produce thes ROMs. Can you even begin to understand how many ppl at google and HTC worked on the original ROM? Hundreds. How many beta testers tested releases that come every few months? Possibly a few hundred maybe even thousands initially for google and still they miss a bug or even 10s of bugs. Now there are a few good people here who use their knowledge and time to give us better roms, They don't have resources of big companies like Google and HTC and yet they make great roms for us, for free.
So please people stop making threads about rom vs rom, stop *****ing who stole what from who, this all is an open source community and everyone here needs to understand that anyone can take their work and change it so it fits their needs better. Devs are good people and they try their best to give us something better every day, we as users can choose our flavors just like ice cream, or frozen yogurt for that matter, you don't go to the people who made your ice cream when you don't like it, you just get another flavor based on what you can learn from the people who like that other flavor.
Let me sum it up a bit,
if you are using CM, then go to the CM thread and ask questions there,
let me give you and example,
"how is your battery on the latest build?"
if you want to know something about battery life on DeFrost you go to the Defrost thread and first search a little bit, than if you can't find the answer post
"am using CM and get 34 hours from my battery, do you get more on DeFrost and does DeFrost support <insert the name of what you need>" and than wait for an answer,
making a new thread like this isn't going to help you or anybody else for that matter. it's just going to start flame wars from fan-boys of each rom and then people start throwing stupid accusations like "this is just a copy of that" with no evidence what so ever and then the whole community suffers cos you had to open another thread instead of looking into threads that already exist.
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@ivan_white: Calm down.
He's not asking for "Which Rom is better?"
If that would be the case I'd be fine with your comment.
He's just asking what the big differences are because they look very similar and that's what they are.
If someone would tell him "Rom XYZ has traditional A2SD and Rom ABC has the Google A2SD" then that would be exactly the thing he'd like to know.
For myself there is no rom (without sense) which currently fulfills my needs. I need the enterprise search in the contacts apps. Haven't found that outside the Sense world so far. Except from that feature and the "great" (compared to others) Exchange implementation I don't need Sense.
FutureBSD said:
@ivan_white: Calm down.
He's not asking for "Which Rom is better?"
If that would be the case I'd be fine with your comment.
He's just asking what the big differences are because they look very similar and that's what they are.
If someone would tell him "Rom XYZ has traditional A2SD and Rom ABC has the Google A2SD" then that would be exactly the thing he'd like to know.
For myself there is no rom (without sense) which currently fulfills my needs. I need the enterprise search in the contacts apps. Haven't found that outside the Sense world so far. Except from that feature and the "great" (compared to others) Exchange implementation I don't need Sense.
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well the problem is that if he used the search function he would have found about 20 answers to his question... search before making a thread and i know he didn't mean anything wrong he had old threads and threads for each rom, plus each rom has a feature list on the front page... so this thread is pointless and could only serve as a place for flame
FutureBSD said:
@ivan_white: Calm down.
He's not asking for "Which Rom is better?"
If that would be the case I'd be fine with your comment.
He's just asking what the big differences are because they look very similar and that's what they are.
If someone would tell him "Rom XYZ has traditional A2SD and Rom ABC has the Google A2SD" then that would be exactly the thing he'd like to know.
For myself there is no rom (without sense) which currently fulfills my needs. I need the enterprise search in the contacts apps. Haven't found that outside the Sense world so far. Except from that feature and the "great" (compared to others) Exchange implementation I don't need Sense.
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Then this is still a pointless thread as you can get that information from the first post in both the aforementioned rom threads.
I am getting annoyed of many ROM threads here, because they are
stating "speed improvements, minor fixes, stable" - if you cant name it exactly, i call bull****.
ROMs being based on the same RUU as other ROMs but not stating what is different. please stop wasting my time. i dont want to go sherlock holmes on your ROM. when you just spend 2h, to make a ROM that is basically the same like most other (just differeing in the point above) - thats fine, you can play around and share it here - but PLEASE tell us.
incomplete list of what is working or not. listing only BT as not working and then reading on the third page "animations and browser download dont work" and then a reply "they dont work on any sense 4.0 ROM". Or stuff like "bugs: you tell me". could you please take 10minutes to test against a checklist?!
so whats my point:
I am no ROM developer, but a software developer. And I see all the wonderfull work done here. But i hate the lazy "you all probably know what im talking about" attitude around here. I feel a bit scammed by either the very shiny threads with custom logos and artwork, listing as many points as they can - whats the purpose - you dont sell anything here. Or on the other hand the very short threads that omit the most important points, making the ROMs incompareable - are you hiding something?
so i propose:
an enforced thread layout, that is composed by the community.
some points i would like to see in it:
name
version
based on (RUU revision number, link)
android revision(, sense revision)
type (a coarse classification: stock, themed, bloatfree, desensed, ported, testrelease, AOSP. multiple selection possible)
changes to base (the 5 main topics of this ROM. at least kernel, bootscreen, keyboard, launcher, theme)
dependencies: firmware etc.
screenshot (i know mostly there is no difference, but i personally am a visual type and need them )
a bug checklist (also community build, most usual bugs, states: ok, minor, broken, untested)
a tweaks checklist (e.g. rooted, deodexed, zipaligned, crt, recent apps, APM, battery, /etc/hosts, beats etc.)
APK versions (also a community build checklist, maybe a script for that)
changelog (for each old version a download, for each change a source link, not just "thanks xyuser" - having the ROM in github etc. would be awesome)
I bet there are some more points - i think the non-developers should unite and demand a bit of quality. Develop and enforce a standard. Use this thread to gather ideas.
And inb4 "be gratefull and take what you get" - no, I think chefs have a responsibility to be transparent, they get lots of testers and glory in return. XDA is a central reference for everyone who roots his device. Mods have taken some good steps to clean up the mess. Now its time for the next.
I think the more detailed the information gets, the faster the development will become and users can build trust in what they flash.
Mods, would something like this be possible?
Yes, it will make everything easier for the users too compare one with another.
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Yes, it will make everything easier for the users too compare one with another.
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thats what I think. any other oppinions?
jonasb said:
thats what I think. any other oppinions?
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I also agree, There are way to many roms out there, I couldnt possibly flash them all and test them, My phone would be outdated by the time i managed that.
The majority are exactly the same, except with the occasional different theme /tweak /app but other than that i think they are similar...
I also get the feeling that the ROMs are a pretty much copy & paste job (with the exception of the devs that build from scratch)
I would like to see some sort of organization in the development thread.. I have nothing against these ROM Makers, But if the first post pointed out what exactly makes THIS ROM different than any others. i think it would be less confusing to people..
I am so for this. I am tired myself of all the crap too. I would like to know what I'm getting and how stable it truly is. I mean saying it's stable but then u find our in post number 400, that one the newest release there are some bugs which don't make it go for every day use. And if it's kanged, tell us, some do tell us but then same get someone else and make it theirs with some changes but nobody finds out till later. I'm also tired of ppl causing problems for others, whenever they follow rules more than others, and tell them this is such & suches place u better leave. I that's y some really good ppl leave here and sometimes the mods allow it cause they're friends. It's total bs, but this is just how I feel!
+ 1 ^^^
I get belittled sometimes in them threads, Im just trying to ask a simple question and the replies are 'dude.. this was asked ten times already.. look at post 862816745 and you will see....' The damn threads change so fast i cant keep up.. Im not a noob... maybe a novice to the sensation but i know what im doing in general.
People expect everyone to know how to do things - because they have done it themselves so many times... Id rather help someone with the simplest question than shout at them for not asking for help and bricking their phone...
C'mon guys, play nice
Rant over lol
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Maybe there should be a forum for 'Original Development' for projects that aren't a variation of another project. I've seen this for other devices' forums.
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I am so for this. I am tired myself of all the crap too. I would like to know what I'm getting and how stable it truly is. I mean saying it's stable but then u find our in post number 400, that one the newest release there are some bugs which don't make it go for every day use. And if it's kanged, tell us, some do tell us but then same get someone else and make it theirs with some changes but nobody finds out till later. I'm also tired of ppl causing problems for others, whenever they follow rules more than others, and tell them this is such & suches place u better leave. I that's y some really good ppl leave here and sometimes the mods allow it cause they're friends. It's total bs, but this is just how I feel!
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Looks like I was never enjoyed my phone even just for 1 day. Today I've installed a ROM, adding many apps from Market which took many hours to setup & configure.
While I've become comfortable with the ROM, something freaked Me ouy: "Oh, there is even better and way more stable ROM available than this current ROM." Downloading, it takes about 1 to 2 hours. Then booted the ROM, but I caught myself disappointed with the news, "This new one has just another clone of the first ROM I've ever tried." Oh no, it has different theme and feels! "All of them are on the same base, same kernel, same etc, etc, etc."
Then, my final decision should be restoring the first ROM through Recovery, but again it takes minutes to complete.
And yet, I fooled with Battery Calibration placebo/myth which actually doesn't exist. Do I need to recalibrate my battery on s ROM changes? No, Google Official has just stated it's just a myth and placebo.
This is what I feel, sorry I mean no offense to any Devs.
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+ 1 ^^^
I get belittled sometimes in them threads, Im just trying to ask a simple question and the replies are 'dude.. this was asked ten times already.. look at post 862816745 and you will see....' The damn threads change so fast i cant keep up.. Im not a noob... maybe a novice to the sensation but i know what im doing in general.
People expect everyone to know how to do things - because they have done it themselves so many times... Id rather help someone with the simplest question than shout at them for not asking for help and bricking their phone...
C'mon guys, play nice
Rant over lol
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Dude I am so with u. Some threads r just so damn long that to every little post would take to long and I would probably never be able to flash a rom. As far as noobs go, we were all noobs at one point. I get most to get me on gtalk so I can help them without some as telling them off. Yeah sometimes it takes me some time but hell I've been able to save quite a few phones.
Its a much better feeling knowing you have helped someone and saved a phone from the horrible stock ROM or possible brick..
Ive done my fair share of helping noobs to help other noobs... Ive also saved a few phones from the trash too
XDA is a community - not a place to rant at people for being a noob - Although there are some hopeless people out there who do not follow the rules, But the majority of us just need some guidance..
The worlds best android developer wasnt born the best... he / she was obviously a noob who learnt from someone else...
The way i see it is that noobs are the future of development so dont hate us
I so agree and am getting ready to learn the cooking game from a friend and great deveolper. He's also getting ready to aquire a sensation and is going to port some of his awesome work from the 3d to the sensation, but make it with ics. Don't know if it'll every see xda because of the drama but it'll be on our teams site. It might make since he does have stuff in evo on xda but I don't know yet.
I'll probably get flamed for this, but that's xda.
The devs don't do this for our convenience. As users who don't pay them a salary, I don't think we're in a position to tell them how they should share what they do. They use their spare time to make something and then choose to share with the masses, which they really didn't have to do. How they choose to present their work should really be up to them IMO.
Besides, if you stick around long enough and read the threads now and then, you'll be able to tell which devs are doing real work versus someone who just forks another person's ROM and throws in some personal tweaks.
Yes most of the ROMs are similar in looks or function, but that's too be expected since everything comes from whatever HTC releases. Each one has its own flavor since each dev has different priorities. Want something totally different? Try one of the WIP AOSP/CM9 builds or maybe MiUI v4.
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I'll probably get flamed for this, but that's xda.
The devs don't do this for our convenience. As users who don't pay them a salary, I don't think we're in a position to tell them how they should share what they do. They use their spare time to make something and then choose to share with the masses, which they really didn't have to do. How they choose to present their work should really be up to them IMO.
Besides, if you stick around long enough and read the threads now and then, you'll be able to tell which devs are doing real work versus someone who just forks another person's ROM and throws in some personal tweaks.
Yes most of the ROMs are similar in looks or function, but that's too be expected since everything comes from whatever HTC releases. Each one has its own flavor since each dev has different priorities. Want something totally different? Try one of the WIP AOSP/CM9 builds or maybe MiUI v4.
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I think the real question is, WHY are the devs doing it at all? There are motives. I think this thread is basically asking them to spare us. If they decide to pack their ball up and go somewhere else, no big deal. The REAL devs will always stick around.
This thread isn't directed at our "patron devs" but all the no names that pop up with these ridiculous, and misleading, clones while asking for donations.
All in all, no one is forcing us to flash their ROM. It would be nice to have several layers to the dev forum. We need a place to easily see what the pro devs are up to without all the mess in the way. Or, how some genuine developing is coming along...
Matt
I can see it from both sides, All the devs good or bad are still great in their own way.
But some tidying up in the development section wouldnt do any harm... Its like a jumble sale in there, Rummaging around to see whats what. Its ridiculous
Thread cleaned.
Now, you watch your attitude and language or simply face the consequences...
yaddamean, I understand what you mean but I would say the opposite: devs that dont care to be transparent, can host their ROMs on their servers elsewhere. I know this is a quite fundamental difference in views. But i dont get what should be the advantage of being the silent majority.
Good things never come easily.
I bet we would not loose one good dev.
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I agree with u and because of yaddamean and others like him who like to just jump in and flamming ppl. As soon as someone stands up to those kinda ppl, the real supporters of this Site and it's Real dev, get in trouble. That's y ppl leave here too!
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Moved to the about Xda-developers forum as such discussions are not device specific but rather site specific
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this will get us less viewers but more mods hopfully
is there any chance of changing the current practice?
That's y it was moved less attention.
Hi.
I can find the Alpha CM10.1 in dev section for PRO. Was wondering if there is a stable 10.1 for the ARC S LT18i or any JB based ROM for that matter?
On that note, would you consider the CM10 and ICS based ROM's to be stable? As in daily driver worthy?
Not asking "which ROM is best" etc... rather just asking if you consider them as stable, in general. I am considering UltimaHD even thought it's ICS based, but really wanted to go up to JB if there is anything stable and worthy out there. I don't really care if it's AOKP, AOSP or Stock based.
Pitbull_Raven said:
Hi.
I can find the Alpha CM10.1 in dev section for PRO. Was wondering if there is a stable 10.1 for the ARC S LT18i or any JB based ROM for that matter?
On that note, would you consider the CM10 and ICS based ROM's to be stable? As in daily driver worthy?
Not asking "which ROM is best" etc... rather just asking if you consider them as stable, in general. I am considering UltimaHD even thought it's ICS based, but really wanted to go up to JB if there is anything stable and worthy out there. I don't really care if it's AOKP, AOSP or Stock based.
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Yes, there is, use the Search tool. Then go read the topic and you will find a lot of information about the ROM from people, who have actually used it.
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Yes, there is, use the Search tool. Then go read the topic and you will find a lot of information about the ROM from people, who have actually used it.
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Oh, joy! A snarky reply! How wonderful. But you are right. I should have considered that "search" button in the firs.... Wait a God damn minute! I DID!
As opposed to your usual noob, I actually took the time to search. My research (although I am sure flawed) is what led me to conclude that maybe UltimaHD would be the best choice for me. Also, I found numerous ROMs. Searching for 4.1.2 in titles only returned a bucketload of results for ICS ROMs (yes, that's right... you can even try it if you want). In those I did find mention to 1 MIUI ROM and 1 [rom][update jb][4.1.2]arc/s v06. MIUI is not something I'm interested in using right now. The second, I can't quite figure out if it's a daily driver or not. Also, many of the ROMs seem to be ICS/JB mixes.
The ARC S is not my phone. I have a SIII. I'm trying to compile the necessary info to decide what ROM to flash on the device (which actually belongs to my wife). Not having much time to flash as many ROMs as I do on my SIII, I thought maybe I'd rather ask the people that have actually used and tested available ROMs, rather than flashing one now and having my wife tell me it's no good a few days later and having to do it all over again. So far I have managed to figure out how to unlock bootloader (I hope, because I'll only be doing it tomorrow evening), root the device using flashtool (still not sure if it'll work on stock 4.0.4 but from what I have read so far, I gather it will), and flash a recovery. Am still a bit unclear on all the boot.img flashing that goes on and why it's necessary. Seems to me this has to do with the data partition. Of course I could be wrong.
So again, sorry if I "didn't" use the search button first. I'll try and not have it happen again. Oh, and thanks so much for the help. /end sarcasm
Jeeezzzzz I am so sick and tired of everyone just assuming we don't search before asking questions. Have you ever stopped to consider the reasons behind the questions? No disrespect, dude, I can see you are a senior member and have a really nice post count. I'm sure you have made valuable contributions to this community. But just assuming stuff doesn't really suit you.
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Oh, joy! A snarky reply! How wonderful. But you are right. I should have considered that "search" button in the firs.... Wait a God damn minute! I DID!
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To be fair, having read your post I have to wonder why the need to start a new thread, especially when you still have THIS one going.
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Jeeezzzzz I am so sick and tired of everyone just assuming we don't search before asking questions. Have you ever stopped to consider the reasons behind the questions? No disrespect, dude, I can see you are a senior member and have a really nice post count. I'm sure you have made valuable contributions to this community. But just assuming stuff doesn't really suit you.
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Again, I didn't quite understand the point of starting a new thread so myself found it annoying to see you asking what you have, "Not asking "which ROM is best" etc", not directly you might not be but essentially, it is what you're asking, and some of us are sick of seeing such threads posted and this sums up why...
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I can't agree more. Which ROM is the fastest? Which kernel is best? etc. etc. It's like walking into a bar and asking which drink is the best. You can't get your answer because every person around has a personal taste and looking for something different.
Going further. Telling that one ROM is better than another is quite disrespectful to developers. Most of them spent much time making their work for FREE and one guy can easily depreciate their work.
If you're looking for answer - try. It's easy and making it on your own is much funnier than looking for spoon feeding in every situations. Thinking is fun
Just my 3 grosz.
Thanks!
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As this isn't you're Phone, as I said on my other thread, root, remove bloatware and tweak a stock ROM.
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To be fair, having read your post I have to wonder why the need to start a new thread, especially when you still have THIS one going.
Again, I didn't quite understand the point of starting a new thread so myself found it annoying to see you asking what you have, "Not asking "which ROM is best" etc", not directly you might not be but essentially, it is what you're asking, and some of us are sick of seeing such threads posted and this sums up why...
As this isn't you're Phone, as I said on my other thread, root, remove bloatware and tweak a stock ROM.
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Yes, you are right. I still have another thread going. But I didn't want to muddy the waters. I want to keep it separate. The focus of this thread was to understand if there is a working, for daily use, JB ROM out there. For ICS I am already pretty convinced Ultimate is the way to go as far as what I am looking for. Your reply in the other thread was most appreciated and was actually what I had considered, before I got the "go ahead" from the wife. Again, thanks for the tip. But now the circumstances have changed and flashing a ROM is now an option. For this reason I am just trying to figure out if I should opt for aosp 4.1.2, 4.2.1 or CM 10(.1) based on user experience when it comes to stability and broken features or bugs. I do not need anyone to tell me which ROM is best. I have already been told to avoid "which ROM is best" threads and I intend to do as told. But honest to God that's not what I want here. Just opinions regarding aosp 4.1.2, 4.2.1 or CM 10(.1). In general. Don't need anyone saying X rom is better or whatnot. And I am terribly sorry if this is how it came across. As for trying ROM's, I'm all for it. I have Obsessive Rom Disorder myself and am a total flashaholic. I flash ROMs to my phones like every other day at the latest. But as you pointed out my other thread, you can see that flashing dozens of roms to the ARC is not an option. I am trying to find what is or isn't stable so I can decide on the path to go, and then choose a ROM based on that. Imagine I flash 4.1.2 only to find it FC's a lot using camera app or whatever. Or that wifi is unstable and she really relies on wifi daily for work. Or anything else. I check the ROM threads for known bugs, but many a rom here on XPERIA ARC sub-forums don't list bugs, either because they have non, or because OP's don't post them. I tend to think it's probably the former and not the latter, but since I am quite used to seeing some sort of buglist, I am not sure and so, of course, hesitant.
Please, please don't think I mean to be disrespectful. Or rude. Or just plain annoying. It's just that I really can't afford to get this wrong. I need to get this right first time round (or at least within the first couple of tries) so my wife can continue to work with the phone and not come to me saying "this and that don't work".
I appreciate the community. I have learned a whole lot from you guys. I support devs when I can through donations (small for sure, but I tend to donate what I can afford from time to time). And I answer whenever I think I can help and contribute. It's just I get so annoyed when I see people just assuming I didn't search.
Sorry for the rant.
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Please, please don't think I mean to be disrespectful. Or rude. Or just plain annoying. It's just that I really can't afford to get this wrong. I need to get this right first time round (or at least within the first couple of tries) so my wife can continue to work with the phone and not come to me saying "this and that don't work".
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I understand your need to get it right but you'd had some good responses in the other thread which you could of followed up, and unfortunately it obviously has come across as annoying, but we're a forgiving community. The best thing to do when trying to decide is to read through the last few pages of a ROM thread and see what's being reported, just because a ROM might work right to begin with, unknown conflicts might start to arise when the Phones been used for a prolonged period of time, an update to a certain app breaks something etc, and while for many it may not be an issue because they'll just come and get a fix or wait for an update to something that might not bother them but bothers the next user, I wouldn't go the custom ROM route, but she's your Wife at the end of the day so it's not my balls on the line.
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I understand your need to get it right but you'd had some good responses in the other thread which you could of followed up, and unfortunately it obviously has come across as annoying, but we're a forgiving community. The best thing to do when trying to decide is to read through the last few pages of a ROM thread and see what's being reported, just because a ROM might work right to begin with, unknown conflicts might start to arise when the Phones been used for a prolonged period of time, an update to a certain app breaks something etc, and while for many it may not be an issue because they'll just come and get a fix or wait for an update to something that might not bother them but bothers the next user, I wouldn't go the custom ROM route, but she's your Wife at the end of the day so it's not my balls on the line.
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I hear you. And I have succesfuly managed to root the phone. Am now in the process of doing a Titanium Backup of the device and a NANDROID too. I don't really want to flash custom. I'd rather tweak as you suggested, but to be honest, I have no idea where to begin with this device.
Decided not to upgrade officially to any newer version… so that I could easily root onto a custom ROM.
That was a year ago now—
Exploits available for my ROM (from running 'X-Ray'):
ZergRush
Gingerbreak
Backup program planning to use (once ROOTed):
- Titanium backup? [feel free to recommend alternates]
Planning to use one of these ROMs (feel free to suggest others):
[ROM][3-2-13]UNOFFICIAL MIUI V4.1 3.2.1 for HTC Desire Z [JB4.1]
[ROM][Feb/01/2013] AOSP - Jelly Bean 4.2.1 - Build 09
Can you recommend a good—i.e.: fast and stable—mod ROM for my Desire Z?
Thanks for all suggestions,
Alec Taylor
BTW: How do you think the speed compares between a mod Jelly Bean mod and stock Froyo?
PS: I still want to be able to use Google Apps, such as GMail, Market &etc.
huh, first of all best roms and recommend me a rom questions arent really to be asked, your best to search a bit and then try a few out to see whats best.
while your at it search out the xda wiki to see how to root your phone, the ways you mentions probably wont work and if they do there are far better ways now
comparing across versions of andorid is hard to do, especially 2.2 to 4.1, things start becoming to relative to answer. but yes you can always use google apps in android roms, gmail and market (playstore) have been around since android 1.0 and i doubt they will get dumped
Can you recommend better ways of ROOTing the phone?
Also, what difference in battery-life should I expect; moving from stock Froyo to modded Jelly Bean?
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huh, first of all best roms and recommend me a rom questions arent really to be asked, your best to search a bit and then try a few out to see whats best.
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Why do people answer with this stupid answer?
He asking people to post their (good and fast) ROMs so he can see what most people use and works for them.
By your logic, the best ones are the ones whos thread is the smallest because it has no bugs. Or is it the biggest because there is always active development? Who knows?
Just recommend him a ROM.
Anyways, personally I was using Andromadus Mimicry v1.5.0 (ICS) Pretty nice update from latest stable CM. CM is still a BIT more stable but AM and its ICS are great.
Just got my phone back from repair and Ill problably try out a 4.2 ROM as Ive been DYING to run it. If not Ill problalby go back to AM.
Or you could go the demkantor way and flash and format and flash and format and flash and format and flash and.....well you get the point and be bored all day configuring different ROMs over and over again....
Also battery life tends to be better than ANY stock ROM
seriously.... other than being against xda rules SEE HERE it is a pointless question that clutters thread all over xda.
i also like the conclusion youve made about what my logic is, and if you really think about it i never even came close to implying that rather the opposite as i suggestion to do some homework first.... a little reading goes along way.
also i did attempt to answer the questions as best as i could without holding his hand through the process of rooting and choosing a rom, being pointed in a direction to do some research is far better than saying yeah root the lazy way and install mimicry, dont learn how to use your phone and when things dont seem right start another thread on a simple subject that has been covered dozens of times in the past month, dont search, the search button is for losers.
and again why answer with what rom to use? maybe this user is in need of the best camera possible or the absolute most cutting age rom, neither is mimicry, although its a great rom it might be terrible for this guy.
asking the best rom can be akin to asking whats the best music, and then what artist, then what cd to get, then what track to listen to. and no thats not going too far as that is exactly what happens on xda every day.... "
how should i root, now what rom to flash, now what mods should i use, is this the kernel for me, any good apps i should get, how about a radio i hear i should change that should i?"
so yeah sorry for rambling on here and wasting more electronic ink but please try not to take me out of context, i try to be a very helpful person here and give back as much as ive been given from xda but its the simple things that people dont learn or at least refuse to that bugs me
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seriously.... other than being against xda rules SEE HERE it is a pointless question that clutters thread all over xda.
i also like the conclusion youve made about what my logic is, and if you really think about it i never even came close to implying that rather the opposite as i suggestion to do some homework first.... a little reading goes along way.
also i did attempt to answer the questions as best as i could without holding his hand through the process of rooting and choosing a rom, being pointed in a direction to do some research is far better than saying yeah root the lazy way and install mimicry, dont learn how to use your phone and when things dont seem right start another thread on a simple subject that has been covered dozens of times in the past month, dont search, the search button is for losers.
and again why answer with what rom to use? maybe this user is in need of the best camera possible or the absolute most cutting age rom, neither is mimicry, although its a great rom it might be terrible for this guy.
asking the best rom can be akin to asking whats the best music, and then what artist, then what cd to get, then what track to listen to. and no thats not going too far as that is exactly what happens on xda every day.... "
how should i root, now what rom to flash, now what mods should i use, is this the kernel for me, any good apps i should get, how about a radio i hear i should change that should i?"
so yeah sorry for rambling on here and wasting more electronic ink but please try not to take me out of context, i try to be a very helpful person here and give back as much as ive been given from xda but its the simple things that people dont learn or at least refuse to that bugs me
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Not actually against XDA rules, its just viewed fouled on this section. And BTW, I made a thread like that (and Im going to as soon as I charge my Desire Z) and I did not get any warning for it, so it is hardly enforced.
You actually answered your own question with "why answer what ROM to use?" If the OP wanted a iPhone like expirence, people would problably recommend him MIUI ROM. If the OP wanted a better ROM based on what his HTC stock one is, people would recommend him a Sense ROM.
Now, what I DO NOT approve of is a thread like:
Title: What ROM do I get?
Message:
Hello
What ROM do I put on my phone?
Thanks
No. That, I do NOT agree with as it shows the user has had no thought and/or hasnt even tried.
And of course asking the best music is vague. But asking the best artist BECAUSE I LISTEN TO THIS TYPE OF MUSIC is NOT vague. So very bad example.
Also, remember that XDA has over the years gone from very talented and technical developers to hobbiests to complete n00bs that want to do this and get it over with. Not that that is a good thing....
In every forum there is post from the moderators saying not and it because of your very last line, they're trying not to allow this form to turn into a wasteland of the same pointless thread over and over, trying to get people to search a bit and get answers on their own. If you feel that's not a good thing then why promote it?
And yes the genre is android and the artist is the vision, so we already don't need to answer that. And then it comes down to the album and the track to listen to... but why keep explaining my metaphor, you obviously disagree so whatever.
either way it is a waste and the less crap that's all over these threads the easier it is for the new people to sift through making the question less necessary to even ask.
But go ahead and keep asking and answering them for obviously its better to turn this forum into clutter, I am the one in the wrong here and should keep my mouth shut
Sent from my Nexus 7 using xda premium
Given measurable metrics which mod ROM and ROOTing method would you recommend?
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asking the best rom can be akin to asking whats the best music, and then what artist, then what cd to get, then what track to listen to. and no thats not going too far as that is exactly what happens on xda every day....
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Non sequitur.
You are comparing subjective things such as music with objective things such as metrics.
I asked a very specific question—with a single follow-up—asking a very well defined question.
To reiterate:
Given measurable metrics—battery_life>=current_ROM, stability>=current_ROM, upgrade_version==Jelly Bean, phone_model=Desire Z, current_ROM==2.2.1—which mod ROM and ROOTing method would you recommend?
Thanks for all suggestions
....best rom is subjective....very subjective....done squabaling on that
Best rooting method is any using gfree to exploit which involves downgrading first, search out the xda wiki or the cyanogen wiki or strawmetals pdf guide, all have been covered many times in this thread and if your search button isn't working use google. Pick a guide, read, understand, follow every step, if you get stuck, read some more, if still confused ask
You will have vastly different experiences across different android platforms, niether you or I will know what os to run for you until you try a bunch, battery life is determined more by how you use your phone and how good your battery is rather than what rom you have. Search and you will easily find many thread giving tips on improvements
Happy flashing
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So you want Jelly Bean, and for crying out loud it's not like there's a billion different JB ROMs to choose from... If this was the nexus 4 forum, maybe this question would be slightly less pointless.
So atm in terms of JB we've got 4.1 and 4.2 . Step 1 - do you have to have the latest? If yes, easy peasy, go for Andromadus CM10.1 for features or Andromadus AOSP 4.2 or Fyodor's 4.2 for speed, then pick Fyodor's if you needs the latest kernel stuff.
You don't mind not having the latest? Go for 4.1, get Jelly Belly for stability, MIUI for... MIUI stuff, if you want that, Andromadus CM10 for features or Andromadus AOSP 4.1 for speed. Don't go for Fyodor's, he stopped 4.1 at build 4 or 5. Also don't go for my PA port, atm it's ****.
For rooting... What demkantor said.
Wow, that logic was hard. I'm gonna go get a cuppa whilst my brain recharges.