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Could we get a Forum for the HTC Dream

Could we get a Forum for the HTC Dream?
The HTC Dream (HTC G1) is due to be released in September/October in the US and possibly Europe

I second that. Dream forum please?

The site admin (Flar) is currently on vacation, perhaps post back in a weeks time and something might be arranged

Cool thanks. While we wait then theres a Dream Wiki here http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Dream

jagnet said:
Cool thanks. While we wait then theres a Dream Wiki here http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Dream
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A Dream Wiki...? Is that like a wiki where I can get info on my dreams, like WTF they mean and why I am always flashing ROMs...
Er. TMI I think
Dave

mikechannon said:
just a quick off-topic to keep the dream alive!
Years ago folk with the TyTn had problems with a sticking "E" key on their phone. Others wanted customised small on screen keyboards and I thought I'd combine those topics into a wiki that could be regularly updated:
The Weekly "Weak E, Wee Key Wiki"
Mike
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LMAO
Dave

mikechannon said:
just a quick off-topic to keep the dream alive!
Years ago folk with the TyTn had problems with a sticking "E" key on their phone. Others wanted customised small on screen keyboards and I thought I'd combine those topics into a wiki that could be regularly updated:
The Weekly "Weak E, Wee Key Wiki"
Mike
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good stuff i was wonding if its up but its not out yet... when it does... my dream will come true... lol.

Finally some official info out today. It'll be released in the US on October 22nd. Going for $179 with a 2 year contract. And I think $199 for a 1 year contract possibly...
Its the 1st time I've seen HTC sell a major phone exclusivly to the US. I only hope us in the rest of the world will get a release or a chance to get it out of network.

jagnet said:
Finally some official info out today. It'll be released in the US on October 22nd. Going for $179 with a 2 year contract. And I think $199 for a 1 year contract possibly...
Its the 1st time I've seen HTC sell a major phone exclusivly to the US. I only hope us in the rest of the world will get a release or a chance to get it out of network.
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Hmmm ... that's going to make my next phone purchase a tough one. AT&T's Rapheal, or T-Mobile's Dream. Windows or Android. Doh.

Tsss, its gotta be Android of course. I like Winmo too so far, since its really been the only proper OS over symbian and others for modibility and such. But opensource Android (linux) has clearly waaaaaay more flexibility and will be my 1st choice.
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Can some-one rip the Amazon MP3 app, reverse engineer the api and bring it to Windows Mobile? How hard can it be? The underlying OS is open source, so the api calls can be easily identified, and it only downloads songs, so it cant be too complicated.
Surur

i'd like a touch hd WITH keyboard AND flash and android on it... the dream is nice but hasnt top notch specs... otherwise id like android (through haret) on my pharos

KyleK29 said:
Hmmm ... that's going to make my next phone purchase a tough one. AT&T's Rapheal, or T-Mobile's Dream. Windows or Android. Doh.
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Raphael. Mainly because Android will most certainly be recompiled to run on it, but probably not vice versa. They both run on the MSM7201A even.

Hey all. To dispel any rumors about the Dream (now officially the T-mobile G1) Ive added some more info to the Dream Wiki. All the info has been gleamed from the various official sources at the launch etc. Check it out, very informative.
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Dream
It would be great if XDA Dev guys could pop up a proper Forum group for the phone any time

HTC announced NO MORE to LOCKING BOOTLOADER

For those that didn't get the news...
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/26/htc-officially-dissolves-locked-bootlader-policy/
http://www.facebook.com/HTC/posts/10150307320018084
They just announced that they won't be locking the bootloaders anymore... now give us a way to S-OFF our phones...

this is a really great move. i'm super excited about them doing this.
however, will they unlock the inc2 bootloader through an ota update or something? or will it only be for new phones, i really hope we get it for s-off

Yes, now if they will just make that policy retroactive...

Someone send an email to HTC asking if it will cover the dinc2. I've seen people on the EVO 3d forums receiving answers.
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I have no evidence of this, but if HTC has agreed that already released hardware with locked loaders (EVO 3D) will get unlocked, my guess is all locked devices will get the same treatment.

Good question, Ted. We definately understand the concern regarding the phones with bootloaders that are currently locked. At this point in time, we don't have any information on if and how existing locked bootloaders will be unlocked. Though, once we reach a decision and plan regarding the currently locked phones, we'll definately announce this through our website, as well as Facebook & Twitter, as well. Stay tuned; we'll definately let you know, as soon as the information becomes available.
I asked and this is what they said. So I guess they don't know or don't want to tell me?
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I'm a bit nervous because I received a personal email response high up from HTC (The CEO) just a few hours after I sent an email ranting about the locking down of their devices. I followed up with a question about devices that have already been shipped, and if they would be unlocked with future OTA updates.
I received no answer, so then I emailed them again asking the same question with more "detail" and still no response. I then called their North America headquarters inquiring about the same thing—nobody had an answer there either.
I hope they do the right thing—I don't have insurance on this phone, but if the policy isn't retroactive, and it is only for new devices, I'm sure I can get this thing returned due to my "special" customer service interactions.
And by "special," I mean super *****y and aggressive. LOL. This thing is riddled with bugs that you can easily use to your advantage if you want to return it, even if you don't have insurance, or if you are past the 14 day window.

Move to proper forum.

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Their English is so bad, lol.
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Ill bet that decision changes too. It doesn't look at all official there so we still have hope.
Yup...Tapatalk'd

I would highly recommend that rooting efforts continue. I would be (pleasantly) surprised if unlocking happens. Keep in mind that public postings from the CEO like the one on Facebook are put together by their PR, not the CEO himself, and they specially craft their comments, meaning "unlock" was not mentioned and probably won't happen.
As far as I've seen, HTC has been quite active answering questions about this except for the ones that involve currently locked devices.

nimdae said:
As far as I've seen, HTC has been quite active answering questions about this except for the ones that involve currently locked devices.
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I think (or at least I hope) that this means that they just haven't made that decision yet, as opposed to the possibility that they have made the decision to not unlock the bootloader but don't want to say that at this time. I think that decisions like this involving currently carrier-locked phones involve more than just HTC, and Verizon likely has a large say in the matter. (Because unlocking the bootloader is the first step to unlocking the radio which Verizon certainly doesn't want)
If I were a little more curious than I am right now, I might contact Verizon and see what they have to say about it.

ChevronWP7 Labs closing it's doors, WTF?

I read this over at Windows Phone Central, check it out.
http://www.wpcentral.com/windows-phone-unlocking-tool-being-discontinuedfor-now
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sinister1 said:
I read this over at Windows Phone Central, check it out.
http://www.wpcentral.com/windows-phone-unlocking-tool-being-discontinuedfor-now
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I have a feeling it's in preparation towards newer version for soon-to-be released Tango? They made $90,000 already!

this sucks looks like we will have to rely on the guys at xda for an unlock.

It's true. Moment ago I checked on Chevron page: http://labs.chevronwp7.com/ and I saw text "SOLD OUT" on the pay button

"Tokens Sold Out"
Have they specifically said they are closing doors because I can't see that information anywhere?
I can understand why they are not selling any more tokens, they want to see how the take is and what developers produce.
I have my token and it's been a god send, I can at least prototype and test my app locally before I decide to take a venture commercially and thus purchase the AppHub license+sub (which imo is a good deal).
Hope they haven't shut up shop, such a shame as we need support from these types of service providers (and we in turn need to support them).
Adios and a Happy New Year all.

finalzero said:
"Tokens Sold Out"
Have they specifically said they are closing doors because I can't see that information anywhere?
I can understand why they are not selling any more tokens, they want to see how the take is and what developers produce.
I have my token and it's been a god send, I can at least prototype and test my app locally before I decide to take a venture commercially and thus purchase the AppHub license+sub (which imo is a good deal).
Hope they haven't shut up shop, such a shame as we need support from these types of service providers (and we in turn need to support them).
Adios and a Happy New Year all.
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No they aren't shutting down. From their tweets what I have seen is they wanted to sell out their last lot - 10,000 token ($90,000) and now MS as well as CWP7 team might sit back and expect at least 50% of these 10,000 to be developers! That will obviously surge the apps in case even if 10% of those developers indulge into marketplace - the app numbers will improve a lot! Hopefully, following Tango we might see it re-open.

Well shutting down completely maybe not but they "have no plans to aquire more tokens".
May as well be shutting down. I have my dev account so not overly worried for no but that won't last forever.

Guys, it's all in that article:
Our agreement with Microsoft was to sell no more than 10,000 tokens. Our team doesn’t currently have plans to renegotiate this number, although it’s a matter we’re still discussing."
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The deal with Microsoft was not to sell more than 10000 tokens. Full stop. End of story.

IMO that story:
Guys from ChevronLabs broken Windows Phone 7 preNoDo. Microsoft don't want war, allowed boys to earn 90000 $ by official Chevron version. Now selling tokens unlock for 9$ it's no good for Microsoft because they should close "normal" developer account (99 $ per year).

Budniu said:
IMO that story:
Guys from ChevronLabs broken Windows Phone 7 preNoDo. Microsoft don't want war, allowed boys to earn 90000 $ by official Chevron version. Now selling tokens unlock for 9$ it's no good for Microsoft because they should close "normal" developer account (99 $ per year).
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Actually not really because Chevron Labs tokens can't publish to the Marketplace. Then again I can kind of see a point with what you're saying if someone seeks personal payment for an app that can only go on Chevron unlocked or interop unlocked devices.
Though not sure how much of an impact that would really have because assuming a guy had a chevron lab unlocked device he'd still arguably be buying from both the marketplace and from "independent" developers. Assuming Microsoft wanted to take cuts from developers that badly I can see how they wouldn't let these guys sell any more tokens.

"Our agreement with Microsoft was to sell no more than 10,000 tokens. Our team doesn’t currently have plans to renegotiate this number, although it’s a matter we’re still discussing."
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read official posts..

Chevron was bad news for developers. I think most of those 10 000 unlocks were from regular users, trying to install warez into their phones.

Offical Reply from Chevron
ChevronWP7 Labs and the misinterpreted tweet
I see my friends Alex Wilhelm and Tom Warren covered some comments I made on the ChevronWP7 stream, bless them for that. Specifically, I made two comments on the stream, after successfully selling 10,000 unlocks close to the start of the New Year:
[1] ChevronWP7 Labs enters the New Year with 10,000 token sales under our belt. Hooah! ^RR
[2] Our agreement with Microsoft was to sell no more than 10,000 tokens, hence "sold out". We’re discussing if we want to up that number. ^RR
The use of our and we were references to “the ChevronWP7 team”, i.e. Chris Walsh, Long Zheng, and myself. I mean, the tweet did come from the ChevronWP7 account after all. Here’s how I designed it to be read:
We [the team] are still discussing if we [the team] want to up this number.
Here’s how it was interpreted:
MICROSOFT HATES THE WORLD; MICROSOFT IS SHUTTING DOWN CHEVRONWP7; THEY DENIED THEM TOKENS!!!!11111
Microsoft isn’t involved in our discussion yet. And they can’t provide us with more unlocks because we haven’t asked yet. If we do request more, we’re sure Microsoft will respond positively – as they have in the past.
What frustrates me is that I know and like these guys personally, but corners were cut and no fact checking was performed. Despite being only a Skype call/KiK/email/IM away, no one bothered to contact me or anyone on the team.
Now I’m stuck with cleaning up the mess!
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Hurray!!! Those bloggers spread false rumours

... and ?
When start selling tokens again, I will believe in this information.

Guess we'll just have to see what happens, I think Chevron is just trying not to rock the boat, after all their 'relationship' with msoft only started because they hacked msofts new OS, it has been nice enough to work with them so far.
I have a spare token anyway... wonder if it could fetch a price on ebay... o/j

Budniu said:
... and ?
When start selling tokens again, I will believe in this information.
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...but will you buy one, or wait until they're all gone again and then post about it...?

Dr.8820 said:
...but will you buy one, or wait until they're all gone again and then post about it...?
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Haha my sentiments exactly

Radek Hulán said:
Chevron was bad news for developers. I think most of those 10 000 unlocks were from regular users, trying to install warez into their phones.
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are you against the warez, or against regular users being allowed to unlock... or both ?
just curious

Warez?
I am not so sure most people who bought tokens were non-developers looking to sideload pirated apps. They might be more like me, looking to sideload homebrew apps for missing functionality (Advanced Config, WP7 Root Tools, Registry Editor etc.). We former WM 6.5 owners who moved to WP7 and just want to tweak performance. If I want a paid app, I'll pay for it. I want a clean phone, but slightly tweaked for my purposes. The apps (Except Navigation) are cheap and not woth the hassle of stealing.

I'm wondering when someone will come along with a proper unlock tbh
(hint: free)

[important] Petitions to make motorola force to do things right!!!

Please sign these petitions to make motorola atleast look at us
Motorola is very good in fake promising
But we will force them to do things!!!!
This one is to force motorola unlock the bootloaders
This one is to tell motorola that this will be the last purchase of moto phones if they dont unlock the bootloaders [link removed]
This one is to make them release an ics update for defy
And finally this one is to help other people who bought their products
Motorola triumph..Help them too please
Force moto release an gingerbread update for triumph [link removed]
Google s control over Motorola can bring about an change..it's not an waste signing the petition..!
Thanks to all of them who signed this petition!!

An ICS update ? Seriously, be realistic...

I think its already proven that petitioning will not work. Look at what they did last year.
edit: joined the petition anyway.

But well try our level best...this is the only thing we can do
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This has been going on for like one to two years now i think and the best they have done was to lie to us then release a developer phone really moto and after this further locking devices by stopping them having the ablitity to flash sbf.... I think moto is a loss hope better off with samsung or htc i mean samsung have bootloaders unlock from factory.
and the defy getting ics looool never will happen

I signed all petitions
Motorola UNLOCK DEFY' S BOOTLOADER

Don't worry guys..soon google will take over moto..
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One thing's for sure: my next phone will have an unlocked bootloader.

pjgowtham said:
Don't worry guys..soon google will take over moto..
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They have and they said they would leave them to be independent as they are now but i hope they go back on that decision

Motorola has many patents..over 17000 of them..they have a lot of hardware patents especially on wireless things..so Google is trying to take control over moto..hope this petition brings a little change !!!
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Another thread that achieves nothing...

petition
We did everything we could , but Motorola is not even turning on, the only way are custom rom, already have passed petitions and 10,000 registrations yet nothing.

I've signed. Even though there is a small chance it will actually work it is still worth a shot to try...

Yeah but ours is a minority developer community.we have done a lot of petitions before .Moto is very good in breaking promises..and i think we have to force google to force moto unlock the bls
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Well, if you want to force Motorola, make sure you're putting pressure on what matters the most for them - the income and profit. So, the simplest solution would be to boycott their products by not buying them.

isn't tat unlocking bootloader make defy prone to "real bricking"..atleast nw we have power to flash sbf via rsd lite..i reaf somwr unlocking bootloader may cause phone to sleep forever due to wrong flashing of custom roms..correct me if iam wrong..
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Samsung ,HTC s are unlocked and are unbrickable too...we ll not that hard brick...its 99% impossible for such hard brick!!
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We are the minority developer community ..so for Motorola we are just a piece of cake...they don't care about whatever we do...I started posting on their walls in fb and tweet ...please u too do these!!!...but we can do some changes if we all stand together ..no other way.!!!..boycotting won't work cost were d minority team...
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pjgowtham said:
We are the minority developer community ..so for Motorola we are just a piece of cake...they don't care about whatever we do...I started posting on their walls in fb and tweet ...please u too do these!!!...but we can do some changes if we all stand together ..no other way.!!!..boycotting won't work cost were d minority team...
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I don't think anything will work anymore i mean standing together we have be doing that for some time now after 2 petitions with over 20,000 signatures we get a empty promise from them then they decide to prevent the flashing of sbf on some of their phones like the photon...... Like Vap_66 said the best way really is to forget about motorola if you want to be able to unlock your phone's bootloader, flash some kernel, radios etc..... Moto are a loss cause....
Htc and asus understand their customers they unlocked their bootloaders after some pressure but what does moto do well they bring out a so called developer phone like wtf??? U expect people to fork out more money just for a some what simple software unlock....

There is already a thread for this exact petition, absolutely no need to start a second one.
Not to mention, there was also another petition that actually elicited a response from Motorola but still achieved nothing.
As for the other petitions linked-to in the thread, the one about never buying another Motorola handset is pointless and implied in the original bootloader petition and the one for the Triumph has nothing to do with the Defy so both those links have been removed.
And since this thread serves no further purpose...
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Htc and asus understand their customers they unlocked their bootloaders after some pressure...
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If HTC understood their customers half as much as people claim, they'd never have started locking the bootloaders.
They're a terrible example compared tom say, Samsung or LG who just don't lock them in the first place.

[DISCUSSION] Android 4.4 KitKat !!!

http://www.android.com/kitkat/index.html
What are your thoughts on this ?
and on the website of Nestlé: http://www.nestle.com/media/newsandf...android-kitkat
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Couldn't be less interested...
Nothing to do with the ZL - this should be in the Android General forum.

Beak me off a piece of that KitKat bar yo!
In all seriousness, all we know is a name so far. There are rumors under the key lime pie codename but that's it. We won't be seeing an official ROM from Sony on the ZL until Q4 2014 or even H1 2015. We will be lucky if we have 4.3 officially by the end of the year.
Saying all that. The version numbers aren't very important now that Google has separated most of their services from their OS. In a way that is very good because we get most of the latest features that gets rolled out with the various gapps updates without having to wait for the features to be updated with the ROM.
Since I like to rock it stock, I am looking forward to an official 4.3 release for our phone to have native TRIM support.
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demonicjas said:
http://www.android.com/kitkat/index.html
What are your thoughts on this ?
and on the website of Nestlé: http://www.nestle.com/media/newsandf...android-kitkat
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I'm pretty unhappy at the idea of a release of an operating system for my phone being free promotion for another company.. particularly one like Nestlé. It's unnecessary and inappropriate, imho.

Ya the promotion is totally unnecessary..
Let's see what this update brings..
And yeah we might only see this next year for our devices.. I wonder if officially though
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Google hit a point where there's no more innovation. It used to be every time an Android update hit, massive sweeping changes were implemented that completely changed the experience. Now, we're lucky if it's smoother or better battery life.
I keep hoping they will announce 5.0, but even then I have to wonder exactly what they would have as a feature to make you go "WOW!"

ryude said:
Google hit a point where there's no more innovation. It used to be every time an Android update hit, massive sweeping changes were implemented that completely changed the experience. Now, we're lucky if it's smoother or better battery life.
I keep hoping they will announce 5.0, but even then I have to wonder exactly what they would have as a feature to make you go "WOW!"
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I'd be happy with better battery life!

I don't see the problem with the cross promotion. It came out of a Google engineer's genuine enjoyment of the confection that resulted in a friendly promotional deal that benefited both parties without money changing hands. This is a rarity in business.
Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23926938
As for innovation, I don't think we will see anything major for a little while. The core experience had made a huge leap with the introduction of Android 4.0. Google has been introducing small changes that, as a user, I wouldn't have known about if I didn't keep up with tech news. For the most part, technical changes to the OS can really be mostly appreciated by the developers and those of use that care about technical details. Most users are given updates and innovations in the form of updated Google apps and services which Google has been separating from the underlying OS. In the cases where we don't like things that Google provides, we have the great developers here who help us make the most of what we want; the way we want it. ArsTechnica did a pretty good writeup if you want to read it.
Article: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/09/balky-carriers-and-slow-oems-step-aside-google-is-defragging-android/

needmoregigs said:
I don't see the problem with the cross promotion. It came out of a Google engineer's genuine enjoyment of the confection that resulted in a friendly promotional deal that benefited both parties without money changing hands. This is a rarity in business.
Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23926938
As for innovation, I don't think we will see anything major for a little while. The core experience had made a huge leap with the introduction of Android 4.0. Google has been introducing small changes that, as a user, I wouldn't have known about if I didn't keep up with tech news. For the most part, technical changes to the OS can really be mostly appreciated by the developers and those of use that care about technical details. Most users are given updates and innovations in the form of updated Google apps and services which Google has been separating from the underlying OS. In the cases where we don't like things that Google provides, we have the great developers here who help us make the most of what we want; the way we want it. ArsTechnica did a pretty good writeup if you want to read it.
Article: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/09/balky-carriers-and-slow-oems-step-aside-google-is-defragging-android/
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oh that i did not know that ..
nice

needmoregigs said:
I don't see the problem with the cross promotion. It came out of a Google engineer's genuine enjoyment of the confection that resulted in a friendly promotional deal that benefited both parties without money changing hands. This is a rarity in business.
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It's still business, and Nestle benefits from it greatly. Nestle are a company with a very, very dirty history and if I wanted to support them, I'd buy their products - which I don't. Ever. This deal gives free advertising to them and their products and if I want the latest version of Android, I do not have a choice but to buy into that. If the Google engineer enjoys that confection, he should go out and buy a ton of it with his salary and that should be the end of it having anything to do with Android.

where are can found it?

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where are can found it?
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Que hora es?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WckCw_-7e3M