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Scott Hanselman just got his phone:
- http://www.hanselman.com/blog/WindowsPhone7FirstImpressions.aspx
Rob Miles had one for a while:
- http://www.robmiles.com/journal/category/windows-phone

Scott Hanselman's overview was pretty good. He constantly praised the platform as being surprisingly fast and stated he loved the mobile bing maps. The only cons he seems to have is copy/paste.

More importantly the merged Facebook contacts problem. I think we might see that changed before launch.

Hanselman also pointed something I was also afraid of:
Facebook integration with contacts is a mistake.
Also:
"There's a lot of "it just works" stuff going on. I'm used to everything being configurable."

I'm a bit shocked that they don't have a way to control the facebook integration. I mean this is one of Kin's headline features (that you could have different levels of "friends"). Hopefully this is something they're just hiding til launch. Not sure why they would but there's hope.
That being said, it doesn't really bother me since I "only" have about 300 or so people on facebook. If I get annoyed I'll just delete people from my FB. I probably should do that anyways, heh.
doministry said:
"There's a lot of "it just works" stuff going on. I'm used to everything being configurable."
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"It'll take a while to get used to "it just works" from Microsoft. All in all, I'm pleasantly surprised as everything has just worked"

doministry said:
"There's a lot of "it just works" stuff going on. I'm used to everything being configurable."
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Geek problem 101 (most Windows Mobile users in this forum do nothing but scream all day about it.)
The thing is, IT JUST WORKS, so there's little reason to ***** about not having the spend hours configuring things

Windcape said:
Geek problem 101 (most Windows Mobile users in this forum do nothing but scream all day about it.)
The thing is, IT JUST WORKS, so there's little reason to ***** about not having the spend hours configuring things
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It's going to be hard for me at first. But I know it'll be refreshing.

RustyGrom said:
It's going to be hard for me at first. But I know it'll be refreshing.
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just imagine how frustrated you will be if you went back to your old phone after spending time with wp7 & getting use to "it just works", unless of course MS somehow manages to screw up wp7

Windcape said:
Geek problem 101 (most Windows Mobile users in this forum do nothing but scream all day about it.)
The thing is, IT JUST WORKS, so there's little reason to ***** about not having the spend hours configuring things
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Ah by the way I was just quoting a developer review.
So they're probably meaningless geeks.
Why to bring their reviews here than?
I would just give phones to people on the street and make the interviews
with them after 10 - 15 minutes fiddling with device.

But this is Scott Hanselman!

Windcape said:
But this is Scott Hanselman!
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So, what about that?

doministry said:
So, what about that?
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It would make sense to you if you were a developer

What about this:
"If Windows Mobile 7 fails to gain support, three smart phone platforms seem destined to dominate the world:"
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Windcape said:
It would make sense to you if you were a developer
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I have no idea what are you talking about.

vetvito said:
What about this:
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1224/4730246915_e1f534ba13.jpg
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Useless data with no information about the target audience is pointless.
MSDN is still king of the developer networks, and everybody who's in the .NET or XNA community is seems ready to play with WP7.
There's a much larger amount of .NET developers wanting to tinker with WP7, than Java developers wanting to tinker with Android.
And the business model is still much better for WP7 than Android. Specially for European application developers, where Android Market still don't support buying applications in a very large number of countries.
doministry said:
I have no idea what are you talking about.
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Of course not. You're just a user, a sheep, you aren't meant to understand anything.
To be fair, the amount of sheeps in this forum keep to amaze me.

Windcape said:
Useless data with no information about the target audience is pointless.
MSDN is still king of the developer networks, and everybody who's in the .NET or XNA community is seems ready to play with WP7.
There's a much larger amount of .NET developers wanting to tinker with WP7, than Java developers wanting to tinker with Android.
And the business model is still much better for WP7 than Android. Specially for European application developers, where Android Market still don't support buying applications in a very large number of countries.
Of course not. You're just a user, a sheep, you aren't meant to understand anything.
To be fair, the amount of sheeps in this forum keep to amaze me.
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You know what, you start to annoy me.
Your post was just simply not clear in context that's why I asked.
If you still want to perfom here this rude and pointless attitude of beeing I don't know who,
just get the **** out of here and spam somwhere else.
I have no reason to be offended here by such a prick.
Hopefully admins see that.

It's not me doing personal attacks and insults to everybody disagreeing with my opinions.

Windcape said:
It's not me doing personal attacks and insults to everybody disagreeing with my opinions.
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Yes it is exactly you, deprecating other posters here.
Actually many "sheeps" here show much better, well based argumentation and better situation overview,
than you "developer" or whoever you are.

Calling non-developers for sheeps is hardly a insult, it's a metaphor, and I didn't invent it.
Using rude/fowl language, personal attacks, and direct insults however, is a totally different story. But it's typical ignorant haters like yourself.

Windcape said:
Calling non-developers for sheeps is hardly a insult, it's a metaphor, and I didn't invent it.
Using rude/fowl language, personal attacks, and direct insults however, is a totally different story. But it's typical ignorant haters like yourself.
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You see, you again use words in a negative context.
In fact I'm not any hater, nor ignorant, nor even typical.
If you don't know what you write stop writing.
But first leave.

Good News - WP7 hits 10,000 apps in record time!

Interesting article on Engadget:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/11/windows-phone-7-marketplace-hits-10-000-apps-wp7-updates-still/
Wonder what all the naysayers are going to say now
Hit 10K+ apps in less than 4 1/2 months is great. I figure when Microsoft opens up more portions of the OS and adds multi-tasking, it's really going to skyrocket. WP7 is here to stay

it only makes sense. Back when the iPhone broke the scene, apps were unheard of. Apple popularized them. By the time wp7 comes along, its the norm.
I love wp7 and will probly stick with it for a looong time, but you have to take a 'record' like this with a grain of salt.

sure haven't said:
it only makes sense. Back when the iPhone broke the scene, apps were unheard of. Apple popularized them. By the time wp7 comes along, its the norm.
I love wp7 and will probly stick with it for a looong time, but you have to take a 'record' like this with a grain of salt.
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granted, but what you can't take with a grain of salt is the app-able mobile operating systems that wp7 is having to compete against for business and/or the attention of developers.
congrats msft!

Pretty impressive just a shame about the lack of api's available to the developers at the moment..

sure haven't said:
it only makes sense. Back when the iPhone broke the scene, apps were unheard of. Apple popularized them. By the time wp7 comes along, its the norm.
I love wp7 and will probly stick with it for a looong time, but you have to take a 'record' like this with a grain of salt.
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Tell that to Brew Mobile, Bada OS, Symbian ^3, and WebOS. This means something and it is a pity people prefer to post in threads bashing WP7's lack of speedy updates but fail to see how amazing the app progression has been.
Despite locking down many APIs! The only criticism I do have is this aspect since I really would love to see skype and whatsapp on WP7.

I don't know if like me you regularly check the marketplace for new apps but over the last 2-3 weeks the amount of crap has risen considerably.
I'd prefer it if apps were growing slower but with more quality.

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Peew971 said:
I don't know if like me you regularly check the marketplace for new apps but over the last 2-3 weeks the amount of crap has risen considerably.
I'd prefer it if apps were growing slower but with more quality.
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While I agree with you, many less informed people out there relate amount of apps to the success of the OS.
So having lots is a good thing if WP7 is to encourage more and more buyers.

cyclical said:
While I agree with you, many less informed people out there relate amount of apps to the success of the OS.
So having lots is a good thing if WP7 is to encourage more and more buyers.
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Yeah I guess when it comes to perception you're right.

all the app stores are full of crap with a smaller selection of really good apps/games. I think they are using the fact that app development has not slowed as a positive sign going forward.

nicksti said:
Tell that to Brew Mobile, Bada OS, Symbian ^3, and WebOS. This means something and it is a pity people prefer to post in threads bashing WP7's lack of speedy updates but fail to see how amazing the app progression has been.
Despite locking down many APIs! The only criticism I do have is this aspect since I really would love to see skype and whatsapp on WP7.
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fuzemaster said:
granted, but what you can't take with a grain of salt is the app-able mobile operating systems that wp7 is having to compete against for business and/or the attention of developers.
congrats msft!
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Alright, that actually makes sense.
I'm not too manly to admit it: I was wrong on the internet.

nicksti said:
Tell that to Brew Mobile, Bada OS, Symbian ^3, and WebOS. This means something and it is a pity people prefer to post in threads bashing WP7's lack of speedy updates but fail to see how amazing the app progression has been.
Despite locking down many APIs! The only criticism I do have is this aspect since I really would love to see skype and whatsapp on WP7.
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WP7 has more developers than users. Those other OS's didn't throw as much bait money as Microsoft, plus they don't have all the big name OEMs behind them.

What bait money? You do realize that developers have to actually PAY money to be in the marketplace?

What is the point vetvito? You are the end user not the owner of the business. I mean, people just want to criticize sometimes.
So they spent a ton of money getting apps for their product. The consumer won. How is that a problem for us, the consumer?

digger1985 said:
What bait money? You do realize that developers have to actually PAY money to be in the marketplace?
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Digger, that is what comes out when people have an agenda. Do not get tricked into that kind of discussion. Microsoft did hire a bunch of developers to push an initial offering of apps for WP7.
But that does not matter at all. We are the consumer. We want apps. Microsoft gave us 10,000 apps in no time at all.
Trust me, the next criticism to come is that 100% of the apps are junk. I can see it a mile away.

digger1985 said:
What bait money? You do realize that developers have to actually PAY money to be in the marketplace?
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http://www.fiercemobilecontent.com/...elopers-build-apps-windows-phone-7/2010-07-14
http://www.intomobile.com/2010/06/1...pers-to-port-iphone-apps-to-windows-mobile-7/
http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/microsoft-paying-for-windows-phone-7-apps/
Should I post more, or are you going to search for yourself?

vetvito said:
http://www.fiercemobilecontent.com/...elopers-build-apps-windows-phone-7/2010-07-14
http://www.intomobile.com/2010/06/1...pers-to-port-iphone-apps-to-windows-mobile-7/
http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/microsoft-paying-for-windows-phone-7-apps/
Should I post more, or are you going to search for yourself?
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Yes, they did. You are the end user and this is good for you.

All I can say, from my limited experience with WP7 apps...actually games, they are re-sponsored ports of iPhone games. One classic example it Fruit Ninja. It's on nearly all systems but the one it appears to be designed for is the iPhone. The WP7 version and Android version isn't optimized for the system and screen aspect ratio. And the WP7 version was put out by MS. Apparently MS contracted with the dev to get it on WP7. There are other examples of this also.
So a portion of 3rd party apps are put out by MS, themselves, and not by their devs.

What a terribly biased article.
Just look at the headline:
Windows Phone 7 Marketplace hits 10,000 apps, Microsoft WP7 updates still way outnumbered
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The two parts have sweet FA to do with each other and the second half has absolutely nothing to do with the article....
Casey

MartyLK said:
And the WP7 version was put out by MS. Apparently MS contracted with the dev to get it on WP7. There are other examples of this also.
So a portion of 3rd party apps are put out by MS, themselves, and not by their devs.
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All Xbox Live games have to be put out by a publisher (similar to in the console market). Games like Fruit Ninja and Angry Birds typically don't have publisher backing so Microsoft becomes the publisher. Microsoft's involvement doesn't extend beyond getting the game released.

Turn-by-Turn directions, Voice to text, Bing Audio/Vision all coming to WP7 Mango

No Sure if anyone follows wpcentral.. but still wanted to share this..
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We kept emphasizing at MIX11 that the information revealed there was geared for developers, not so much consumers and that we expected more details to come forward over time. Combined with the fact that Mango/WP7.5 is not yet finished nor finalized, it's feature-set is still in motion but becoming more solid as we get closer to it going 'Gold'.
On the Windows Phone Developer Podcast, a plethora of new features were announced that will really bring Windows Phone up to par with the competition:
Bing Audio: Think Shazam, but built into Bing and we bet of course Zune Marketplace. Country support is initially limited to the U.S., Great Britain, France, Italy, Spain and Germany.
Bing Vision: A full blown image scanner using your camera. It can detect, identify and search using barcodes, Microsoft Tags, QR Codes, CD’s, DVDs, Books, and text using OCR (see here for history)
Turn-by-turn navigation: “voice guidance during driving directions” (we heard about this awhile ago)
SMS Dictation: Using Microsoft's TellMe service, you can use voice-to-text for SMS messages by tapping a microphone near the bottom
According to Paul Thurrott, who detailed the above, there's a lot more to the podcast, so take a listen. And your thoughts in comments: does this change things?
Source:
http://www.wpcentral.com/turn-by-turn-directions-voice-text-bing-audio-vision-all-coming-wp7-mango

abhinayp said:
No Sure if anyone follows wpcentral.. but still wanted to share this..
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We kept emphasizing at MIX11 that the information revealed there was geared for developers, not so much consumers and that we expected more details to come forward over time. Combined with the fact that Mango/WP7.5 is not yet finished nor finalized, it's feature-set is still in motion but becoming more solid as we get closer to it going 'Gold'.
On the Windows Phone Developer Podcast, a plethora of new features were announced that will really bring Windows Phone up to par with the competition:
Bing Audio: Think Shazam, but built into Bing and we bet of course Zune Marketplace. Country support is initially limited to the U.S., Great Britain, France, Italy, Spain and Germany.
Bing Vision: A full blown image scanner using your camera. It can detect, identify and search using barcodes, Microsoft Tags, QR Codes, CD’s, DVDs, Books, and text using OCR (see here for history)
Turn-by-turn navigation: “voice guidance during driving directions” (we heard about this awhile ago)
SMS Dictation: Using Microsoft's TellMe service, you can use voice-to-text for SMS messages by tapping a microphone near the bottom
According to Paul Thurrott, who detailed the above, there's a lot more to the podcast, so take a listen. And your thoughts in comments: does this change things?
Source:
http://www.wpcentral.com/turn-by-turn-directions-voice-text-bing-audio-vision-all-coming-wp7-mango
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This will push WP7 over the top. It will ensure a dominant system once the tides change. The more MS can do for WP7, the better. I always preferred the Bing nav in WinMo 6.5 and if this TbT for WP7 will be Bing, outstanding.
Eventually Apple and Android will be playing catch-up to WP7. That's how good a system MS has with WP7.

this has also been featured in WMPoweruser.com
new mango features
it is also stated in the article that it is for the meantime a rumor since since ms hasnt divulged nor confirmed any of it.
hope this is sure to come in the mango update.

Now if this is true, this - in combination with all the other goodies Mango's gonna come up with - will bring WP7 at least on par with iOS. And Android, if you leave Android's openness aside. I'm looking forward to it, and I hope Mango will really be released before the end of the year.

There isn't any "if" here afaik - this is coming

FiyaFleye said:
There isn't any "if" here afaik - this is coming
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I hope so. But as long as Microsoft hasn't confirmed any of these features, I'll consider them rumours.

Will there be multi-tasking too?

brysonwong said:
Will there be multi-tasking too?
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That has already been shown on the MIX11 event. So yes, it will.

moonshines said:
this has also been featured in WMPoweruser.com
new mango features
it is also stated in the article that it is for the meantime a rumor since since ms hasnt divulged nor confirmed any of it.
hope this is sure to come in the mango update.
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Not too keen on WMPowerUser, it comes across as less professional than WP Central.

It's an enthusiast site. Professionalism doesn't really come into it. I welcome anyone who spreads WP7 news.

So when the Mango developers tools come out * rumored for end of may right?* is it just to test softwares in the emulator or can you load it onto your phone? if so will all these features plus the ones talked about on mix 11 be readily available? anyone know?

hamzie said:
So when the Mango developers tools come out * rumored for end of may right?* is it just to test softwares in the emulator or can you load it onto your phone? if so will all these features plus the ones talked about on mix 11 be readily available? anyone know?
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According to winphonesupport there is nothing official that a pre mango release will be rolled out to developer unlocked devices. So I think the tools will only be usable with the emulator.

MartyLK said:
This will push WP7 over the top. It will ensure a dominant system once the tides change. The more MS can do for WP7, the better. I always preferred the Bing nav in WinMo 6.5 and if this TbT for WP7 will be Bing, outstanding.
Eventually Apple and Android will be playing catch-up to WP7. That's how good a system MS has with WP7.
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that last bit.... mark your calendars for may 2012, when android and ios take notice.... or sometime out there.

dkp1977 said:
According to winphonesupport there is nothing official that a pre mango release will be rolled out to developer unlocked devices. So I think the tools will only be usable with the emulator.
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Ah alright. Thanks
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http://www.liveside.net/2011/05/09/...s-revealed-messenger-in-people-hub-confirmed/ talks about integration of messenger

HERE is another update regarding the new features that are rumored to be in mango...
excerpt from the wmpoweruser additonal mango features article:
part from the older revealed features, here are the new ones.
East Asian Language Keyboard, Handwriting and Dictionary Support
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More tight Skydrive Integration in Office hub. Document types will be differentiated by colors.
Messenger Support in People Hub: You will be able to chat with your contacts right within the people hub through Windows Live Messenger.
if these rumors are true, then i guess (my opinion only) WP7 is the OS to beat.

hamzie said:
Ah alright. Thanks
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well going on what was said at mix and a few other sites have reported it that developers will get a mango image to install on their test devices..

The tiles in Office Hub for documents need to go. What the hell is wrong wiht a list with icons. This wastes too much space. But other than that it looks like it'c coming around well, too bad it's so far off still...
Microsoft needs to grow their user base now. GSII already has 3Mil+ Pre-orders...

nothing matters if the update comes in too late--if ever, for early adopters. and for the most part, the shout-out features of mango are still playing catch up with other OS's.
don't get too excited until your phone's updating.

This is why I chose WP7! The fall can't be any slower.

weatherx said:
nothing matters if the update comes in too late--if ever, for early adopters. and for the most part, the shout-out features of mango are still playing catch up with other OS's.
don't get too excited until your phone's updating.
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Agree. I think people tend to forget what we'll have had to use for a year before Mango even touches our phones.

Verizon HTC Trophy Release Thread

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Well guys its here finally released
http://phones.verizonwireless.com/htc/trophy/
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/...t&action=viewPhoneDetail&selectedPhoneId=5635
HTC Trophy is a global Windows Phone 7 device for Verizon Wireless. It has a 1GHz processor, 3.8" WVGA display, 5MP Autofocus camera with LED flash, 720p video recording, 16GB of on-board memory, 576MB RAM / 512MB ROM , FM Radio, and will support DLNA.
After months of delays, false launch dates, and executive noncommittals, the HTC Trophy is finally now available for online order from Verizon Wireless for $150 with 2-year agreement, after $50 mail-in rebate. Verizon is also offering free overnight shipping so you can get your Trophy stat.
We have also finally learned the final details of the free Xbox 360 game deal. Trophy owners will need to go to www.freexboxgamenow.com and enter a code that’s on your phone packaging. You will then choose from three games (Halo:Reach, Kinect Sports or Lode Runner), and the game will be shipped out in “6 to 8 weeks”. Lame.
With the release of the HTC Trophy on Verizon, Windows Phone 7 is now on all four of the major wireless carriers in the United States.
http://wmpoweruser.com/award-yourself-with-the-verizon-trophy-–-available-now/
i already ordered mines should be getting it tomorrow

And it was sold out in most areas by 9:30-11am....try to get one now !

I got one - great device! Love the form factor.

OMG why so expensive?! amazon.de has it for 177 eur!!!

got mines today i LOVE it...great os and its only the beginning i just wish that u could copy and paste files via usb mass storage mode AND zune syncing and u can download mp3's through the web browser, and add/delete files without needing to hook it up to a computer but so far i love it
ill wait for mango for the custom ringtones and everything else the facebook app is nice they just need to add a few more feature like the ability to tag people to check in spots and the ability to use the camera to take a pic at the check in locations like the android app does
but i really love this os. now i gotta find some fun games and other coo apps

Love it thus far! Makes my Omnia II look like a brick. Some great free apps in Marketplace. I would bet from most folks here. Thanks for the cool apps! I like the level, compass, altimeter, foursquare, endomondo, DB meter, price scanner, apps. No Song ID app though? Is there a list of top rated Wp7 apps you guys use?
Question for the newbie WP7 user - is there a good read/thread on Roms, unlocking, the WP7? I have been adding ROMS since 6.0 so looking forward to tweaking the VZW Trophy.

ColoTouch said:
Love it thus far! Makes my Omnia II look like a brick. Some great free apps in Marketplace. I would bet from most folks here. Thanks for the cool apps! I like the level, compass, altimeter, foursquare, endomondo, DB meter, price scanner, apps. No Song ID app though? Is there a list of top rated Wp7 apps you guys use?
Question for the newbie WP7 user - is there a good read/thread on Roms, unlocking, the WP7? I have been adding ROMS since 6.0 so looking forward to tweaking the VZW Trophy.
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no roms - I think what people need to realize the goal of a rom was to make the lives of windows users far easier to which was limited by OEMs. In many ways, the wp7 product, save from elevated privileges, is a fantastic product as it stands. Custom roms will be available in time but not yet

Planned on getting one today. I called my local Verizon store and they informed me it was special order only. Not going to have it in stock at store locations. That really sucks.

How about unlolcking?
I fine with no custom ROMs, that's not something I really ever done. However, I'd love to unlock the device so that I can sideload apps. The main one I'd love to have would be the Navigon Select GPS app.
I understand I can developer unlock the device, but I was wondering if there is any other way?
I spent several hours trying to unlock with Chevron, and no luck. From what I understand, Chevron won't work with NoDo update. The only software available for the device has NoDo update installed already (burnt in ROM, I guess, so I haven't tried to resetting/formatting the device). Since we can't go back to 7004 WP7 release (when Chevron still worked), I assume Chevron is a no-go on NoDo?

Gadgetman, you are correct. Devices that don't have pre-NoDo ROMs available cannot be unlocked. There's an ongoing project here in the Development and Hacking forum where people are trying to jailbreak NoDo, but it's very far from a real unlock.
Sorry for bad news.

I'm pretty disappointed that Microsoft made such overtures to the homebrew/sideloading community, but it all appears to have been a hollow gesture.
I actually passed on the Chevron unlock, thinking that at some point this year, an officially supported mechanism would be made available (other than paying $100/year for a developer license). And now, due to an unfortunate sequence of events, I can't restore to pre-NoDo, so my phone is permanently locked.

I ordered mine the very day it came out, I love it; best phone I ever had. Can't wait for Mango.

MS Store had it for 0.01 with a 2 year contract... and you get 4000 xbox live points and 20 or 40.00 off MS Office 2010... crazy deals and if you get the free xbox game more freebies. I got my Xbox game already, just came today.

redmatt said:
MS Store had it for 0.01 with a 2 year contract... and you get 4000 xbox live points and 20 or 40.00 off MS Office 2010... crazy deals and if you get the free xbox game more freebies. I got my Xbox game already, just came today.
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I got mine as an insurance replacement for my broken Touch Pro 2, great phone. I was going to buy it off contract anyway (I really wanted one with a keyboard and I'm waiting for 2nd gen models before signing a 2 year)
You got your 360 game already ? They are saying 4-6 weeks, how long did you wait ?

Anyone Else Considering Going Back to Android?

I've been an WP7 advocate since it first appeared Q1 2010 and has avidly followed it up until I finally bought my HD7 back in Dec 2010. I love my device and the simplicity behind the OS, but there's a lot lacking. While the marketplace is booming with activity, there's still little developer support because of its you product life and I feel mango is launching a little late. In its current way, WP7 is still an abysmal OS, no one can deny that. And is the sole reason I will be switching back to android for a short minute until WP7 matures into something like this: The Early Concepts of WP7
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A lot of hardware has launched with Android at the heart and its harder and harder to not acknowledge that. Just look at the Samsung Galaxy S2.
This is not to be a troll thread, and all I'm merely asking is anyone feeling like me.

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In its current way, WP7 is still an abysmal OS, no one can deny that.
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I can deny that.
Further, I don't understand what those concepts feature that today's WP7 lacks. The ability to read email and answer phone calls?
This is absolutely a troll thread.

First you say this...
krjcook said:
I've been an WP7 advocate since it first appeared Q1 2010...
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But then you follow it with this...
krjcook said:
In its current way, WP7 is still an abysmal OS, no one can deny that.
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I can and DO deny this preposterous statement. WP7 has some shortcomings right now, but none of them are severe enough to prevent me from using and liking the phone. It is FAR from "abysmal".
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This is not to be a troll thread.
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Could have fooled me.

iOS and Android set the trend now Windows Phone 7 is refining it. Look at Mango... the things they've added...its not bolt ons, its not widgets or workarounds its deeply integrated things that have been well thought out and implemented. The Zune Software is a great example of this too and often gets overlooked. iTunes is an abhorrent mess, and Google well, you've got to search 3rd parties for something that provide the services that should be a core part of the operating system.
Wp7 is worth the wait. I spent way too much time messing around with android to get things working as they should.
Sent from my OMNIA7 using XDA Windows Phone 7 App

Schismal said:
I can deny that.
Further, I don't understand what those concepts feature that today's WP7 lacks. The ability to read email and answer phone calls?
This is absolutely a troll thread.
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I had a feeling someone would jump off the deep end and come at aggressively with the troll remarks. Look me up on Xbl: keenancook , I have WP7 gaming achievements because I own the HD7. But anyways, those pics were show what WP7 may have in the future and why I'm still considering the OS. But WP7 lacking a lot:
Applications, application, applications. WP7 is just lacking, time is what it needs and how many people are willing to wait.
Big Dev's aren't paying too much attention
Main System Menu is BLAND
Too Much Scrolling Just to get where I need.
Marketplace needs revision.
Having to Wait For Features.

As much as I like Android for what it is, I will never go back to that abysmally fragmented OS and half-baked feel. I can wait for Mango, which is bringing 80-90% of the features I wanted, and will see a huge surge in applications with all the new API's released.
wp7 UI is infinitely better than anything else out right now for me, and you add Mango to that, and I am very happy.

so according to your poll, i can only respond that im staying with WP7 if Im waiting for future updates?
What If I'm staying because I like what it IS.
I bought WP7 and I'm staying with WP7 because I like what it is NOW. Mango is extra gravy...

sHAYM4N said:
iOS and Android set the trend now Windows Phone 7 is refining it. Look at Mango... the things they've added...its not bolt ons, its not widgets or workarounds its deeply integrated things that have been well thought out and implemented. The Zune Software is a great example of this too and often gets overlooked. iTunes is an abhorrent mess, and Google well, you've got to search 3rd parties for something that provide the services that should be a core part of the operating system.
Wp7 is worth the wait. I spent way too much time messing around with android to get things working as they should.
Sent from my OMNIA7 using XDA Windows Phone 7 App
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I completely agree about Zune, I've been using it since I first got my Zune 30. Its the MultiMedia Playback Software both visually and from a performance standpoint, Itune/DoubleTwist lags on my PC.
But my problem isn't with Zune, its WP7. Am I the only one who's sick of all the poorly developed apps by amateurs, because the professionals aren't interested? Tired of waiting for a decent banking app? Where my Wachovia App? What about my Onstar App? Wtf is up with the expensive pricing or XBLA games? I would love to play Cut the Rope, how long do I have to wait for that? Free Turn by Turn GPs is coming, but only in 2D, with no orientation, How long do I have to wait for that?

munkeyphyst said:
so according to your poll, i can only respond that im staying with WP7 if Im waiting for future updates?
What If I'm staying because I like what it IS.
I bought WP7 and I'm staying with WP7 because I like what it is NOW. Mango is extra gravy...
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my thoughts exactly

munkeyphyst said:
so according to your poll, i can only respond that im staying with WP7 if Im waiting for future updates?
What If I'm staying because I like what it IS.
I bought WP7 and I'm staying with WP7 because I like what it is NOW. Mango is extra gravy...
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Obviously you just don't get it. You CAN'T like it for what it is, because it "is still an abysmal OS". Didn't you know that??

krjcook said:
Tired of waiting for a decent banking app? Where my Wachovia App? What about my Onstar App? Wtf is up with the expensive pricing or XBLA games? I would love to play Cut the Rope, how long do I have to wait for that? Free Turn by Turn GPs is coming, but only in 2D, with no orientation, How long do I have to wait for that?
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You don't have to wait for any of those things. Go buy an Android today, and boom! You're there. You can't have it both ways, though. You can't buy into a fledgling ecosystem and then act betrayed by the fact that it isn't as mature as one that has existed for years. That is a naive and immature reaction.
As for the apps you are clamoring for, many weren't possible with the APIs that have been available to developers. Microsoft realized this, and just this week released a new developer kit that includes over 1500 new APIs, which will cause the marketplace to expand at a much more rapid pace in the coming months.