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Windows 7 Windows Live intergration

I don't know if it's been asked, but what kind of Windows Live intergration will we see. Will it be the half-ass stuff we see now, or will we FINALLY see calendar syncing.
I guess I should have just asked if we'll see windows Live calendar in Windows Phone 7.

I was about to ask the same thing. I heard in one of the videos that multiple calendars would be supported (Ie: work, personnal etc...) Now I'm digging in the emulator to see if WL Cal is finally supported, so I can ditch gmail alltogether.
EDIT: I just went through the emulator, and since we can't add email accounts, I can't deny nor confirm the existence of WL Cal sync.
Allthough I SWEAR I heard Joe Belfiore saying that WLCal is supported...

it better be. It's really no excuse for it not being in there all this time to be honest.

smokeyb111 said:
I don't know if it's been asked, but what kind of Windows Live intergration will we see. Will it be the half-ass stuff we see now, or will we FINALLY see calendar syncing.
I guess I should have just asked if we'll see windows Live calendar in Windows Phone 7.
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you will probably see an app developed by MS for iphone before that.
How I hate MS for that. The new bing website looks so good on an iphone..
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and so crappy on my HTC Pure

chiks19018 said:
How I hate MS for that. The new bing website looks so good on an iphone..
and so crappy on my HTC Pure
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That's not the website, it's the Bing app on the iPhone.
But yes, it DOES look better than the Bing app on WM

I do realize that....but you know what I mean...that app is not available for WM6+

chiks19018 said:
I do realize that....but you know what I mean...that app is not available for WM6+
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It is! That screenshot is from the Bing app for WM.
Or did I misunderstand something?

C:Sharp! said:
It is! That screenshot is from the Bing app for WM.
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Not available on m.bing.com/download
They are handing out the utterly finger unresponsive app shown below

Seriously? They're still not distributing the new one? OMG.
But even the new one is worse than the one for the iPhone.
That's how you know their mobile division is screwed.

C:Sharp! said:
Seriously? They're still not distributing the new one? OMG.
But even the new one is worse than the one for the iPhone.
That's how you know their mobile division is screwed.
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I had the new one but went back to the uglier old one. The new one would not save a found address to contacts. And the older one is a little more finger friendly. The newer one just looks better...style but not enough substance.
It's a shame the iPhone one look's so much better, but I think it has something to do with the SDK. iPhone's SDK probably lends itself to great looking apps with minimal effort by the developer as opposed to WM.

C:Sharp! said:
That's not the website, it's the Bing app on the iPhone.
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They do have a Bing mobile website for the iPhone (and I think maybe certain other devices) that makes m.bing.com look like a piece of crap. They also have the good iPhone app, as you pointed out. On WM I just stuck with the old Live Search App because it has Movies and Gas Prices and such.
Back on topic, Windows Live is fully integrated, including the Calendar.

WhyBe said:
It's a shame the iPhone one look's so much better, but I think it has something to do with the SDK. iPhone's SDK probably lends itself to great looking apps with minimal effort by the developer as opposed to WM.
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You are right. But then, why did they have to dump the whole OS, if a new SDK would have been the solution to most of theri problems?
Imagine WM6.5 with a better UI and a good SDK. Problems solved. They could have released that a year ago and it would have been perfectly competitive to the iPhone.
Instead, they did nothing for more than one and a half years, cause they could not figure out what to do (though everyone here knew it). In the end, there was no other option left than dump the whole OS and start a new one, without all the things we loved about WM. Sad.
They screwed up completely and they still don't know what to do. The fights within the company still aren't over (though the iPhone enviers within MS won the first round). This is inexcusable.

C:Sharp! said:
You are right. But then, why did they have to dump the whole OS, if a new SDK would have been the solution to most of theri problems?
Imagine WM6.5 with a better UI and a good SDK. Problems solved. They could have released that a year ago and it would have been perfectly competitive to the iPhone.
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You're making huge assumptions here. How do you know that's the only problem with WM.
Instead, they did nothing for more than one and a half years, cause they could not figure out what to do (though everyone here knew it). In the end, there was no other option left than dump the whole OS and start a new one, without all the things we loved about WM. Sad.
They screwed up completely and they still don't know what to do. The fights within the company still aren't over (though the iPhone enviers within MS won the first round). This is inexcusable.
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Again, you're being very presumptuous. Do have inside information or something?

I do have a bit of information, yes. But most of it is widely known, anyway.
How do I know that the ugly, non-fingerfriendly UI and the lousy SDK were Windows Mobile's main problems? Just a bit of common sense.
After all, what were the things that made the iPhone successful? It's easy to use and it has apps, apps, apps.
It certainly weren't the lousy camera or the lack of features or the annoying restrictions.

I think it'll be tightly integrated since you'll be able to see peoples updates through the windows live profiles as well.
I hope it has good integration so I can finally have one consitent contact list. Some are an outlook, some are on messenger. Having doubles is a pain in the beginning and take a good time to clean it up. Now they're both on my phone but still half/half on my software.

C:Sharp! said:
...After all, what were the things that made the iPhone successful? It's easy to use and it has apps, apps, apps.
It certainly weren't the lousy camera or the lack of features or the annoying restrictions.
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iPhone was successful long before it had apps. It was a great product despite it's perceived flaws. WP7 should follow suit.

WhyBe said:
iPhone was successful long before it had apps. It was a great product despite it's perceived flaws. WP7 should follow suit.
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And what made it successful before it had apps?
It certainly weren't the lousy camera or the lack of features or the annoying restrictions.
It was the UI. Everyone could use that thing, it was even easier to use than most people's dumbphones, thus they had no problems switching to the iPhone and of course, they liked it, cause it could do much more than the dumbphones they had before. They didn't know that Windows Mobile existed and had much more features and they didn't care, cause Windows Mobile was not as easy to use as a dumbphone.
Before the iPhone had apps, a good UI would have been enough for Windows Mobile. When the iPhone got an SDK, a good SDK would have saved Windows Mobile (plus maybe an appstore).
It's that easy, but Microsoft screwed it all up.

iPhone OS 4.0 does (limited) multitasking - how embarrassing for Microsoft!

Well, the headline says it all.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/live-from-apples-iphone-os-4-event/
While Apple's implementation does not even come close to something like webOS, it's at least something.
Of course, with apps like AppSwipe on Android or TaskFacade on WM, we've had this forever.
But who's the only one left who doesn't have it? I think this is just embarrassing for Microsoft.
And that along with WP7's not-so-revolutionary UI, that wastes lots of space and doesn't include notifications handling like Android or webOS...
...sorry, but I hope WP7 fails miserably. That's what Microsoft deserve.
And by the way, Apple copied an Android developer!
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If I read Engadget correctly, that's not real multitasking. They provide seven (?) system services that applications can use, like Audio etc. Which is definitely better than no multitasking (and for many practical intents and purposes may be better than real multitasking), but still...

Still better than WP7, though.
And as I said, it doesn't come close to webOS or Android, or even WM.
Those are still better at multitasking.
Nevertheless, I think this is embarrassing.

EDIT: Not sure yet.

Sethos II said:
Still better than WP7, though.
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No doubt about it. In terms of overall device performance it may be better than Android or WM, actually, even though limiting for certain applications.

I think I like how Apple did it. Looks like a pretty good compromise to me.

It's not bad, actually. But Android hasn't failed on me so far, thus I still prefer the full multitasking.
OK, two more announcements that I find quite embarrassing for Microsoft:
Multiple Exchange accounts
A gaming network for iPhone gamers.
They just blew away two of the most important (and only?) advantages of WP7, PLUS they even do something that WP7 doesn't: limited multitasking.
I don't know, but... This is sad
Microsoft have had it all in their hands for ten years and now they can't come up with something even remotely competitive?
This is sad, IMO.

Actually I got a question. Does windows mobile allow multiple exchange accounts? I was surprised to see that in the Apple conference.

No, Windows Mobile does not.
Windows Phone 7 will allow it.

Yeah I just read this post. They are going all out to try to head off WP7 before it even comes out. Microsoft better get busy on getting all the drawbacks of WP7 in line.

I laughed when they announced Apple iBox Live. Maybe Microsoft should have kept that one under wraps.

This was a sweeping swipe at both Microsoft and Google.
Great! You may love or hat Apple, but this was great.
Anyway, it's still not competitive to Android. Still misses notification handling and widgets, which make Android nicer to use.
At least that makes me happy, cause my Nexus will definitely NOT be outdated in July.

I'll reserve my final judgment till they announce the new hardware specs. They still don't offer good codec support, itunes is still a crime against humanity, and I haven't seen a new way to handle notifications.

The iPhone 4.0 multitasking seems to be really similar to the implementation in WP7.

WhyBe said:
The iPhone 4.0 multitasking seems to be really similar to the implementation in WP7.
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No, it's better. In WP7, developers can't use those background services (e.g. music).

Sethos II said:
No, it's better. In WP7, developers can't use those background services (e.g. music).
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Correct you are currently the only thing 3rd party apps can do right now is push notifications. No services running in the background period.

7 limited APIs. This is the direction I expect(ed) Windows Phone to take.
Windows has the push notifications, the instant-resume apps, and music APIs that let apps plug into Zune and play music in the background... but Apple has covered the few scenarios most requested on XDA i.e. location tracking, task completion, 3rd party music, and VOIP.
Microsoft HAS to get these done or Phone 7 will be an inferior OS. Now I know iPhone started weak, watched the game, and add features after a few years, and Windows is starting new. Microsoft doesn't have the time though.. here and now, iPhone will have both data detection and copy paste while MS is catching up.
Also, Apple will make a crapton of money off iAd. Good luck Microsoft, I sort of believe in you

It's what WP7 was meant to have but didn't get in time. Third party services won't run on the iPhone either. The OS will provide services that will perform some background tasks for applications.

Sethos II said:
...sorry, but I hope WP7 fails miserably. That's what Microsoft deserve.
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I don't agree. Stepping up to "take accountability" when it's so risky to start new is something I can applaud. They're just so slowww

I really really hope this helps Microsoft wake up. They still have some time, maybe they will fix the broken things.... I hope.
P.S. hahaha "iBox Live" I love it

Developer Reviews

Scott Hanselman just got his phone:
- http://www.hanselman.com/blog/WindowsPhone7FirstImpressions.aspx
Rob Miles had one for a while:
- http://www.robmiles.com/journal/category/windows-phone

Scott Hanselman's overview was pretty good. He constantly praised the platform as being surprisingly fast and stated he loved the mobile bing maps. The only cons he seems to have is copy/paste.

More importantly the merged Facebook contacts problem. I think we might see that changed before launch.

Hanselman also pointed something I was also afraid of:
Facebook integration with contacts is a mistake.
Also:
"There's a lot of "it just works" stuff going on. I'm used to everything being configurable."

I'm a bit shocked that they don't have a way to control the facebook integration. I mean this is one of Kin's headline features (that you could have different levels of "friends"). Hopefully this is something they're just hiding til launch. Not sure why they would but there's hope.
That being said, it doesn't really bother me since I "only" have about 300 or so people on facebook. If I get annoyed I'll just delete people from my FB. I probably should do that anyways, heh.
doministry said:
"There's a lot of "it just works" stuff going on. I'm used to everything being configurable."
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"It'll take a while to get used to "it just works" from Microsoft. All in all, I'm pleasantly surprised as everything has just worked"

doministry said:
"There's a lot of "it just works" stuff going on. I'm used to everything being configurable."
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Geek problem 101 (most Windows Mobile users in this forum do nothing but scream all day about it.)
The thing is, IT JUST WORKS, so there's little reason to ***** about not having the spend hours configuring things

Windcape said:
Geek problem 101 (most Windows Mobile users in this forum do nothing but scream all day about it.)
The thing is, IT JUST WORKS, so there's little reason to ***** about not having the spend hours configuring things
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It's going to be hard for me at first. But I know it'll be refreshing.

RustyGrom said:
It's going to be hard for me at first. But I know it'll be refreshing.
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just imagine how frustrated you will be if you went back to your old phone after spending time with wp7 & getting use to "it just works", unless of course MS somehow manages to screw up wp7

Windcape said:
Geek problem 101 (most Windows Mobile users in this forum do nothing but scream all day about it.)
The thing is, IT JUST WORKS, so there's little reason to ***** about not having the spend hours configuring things
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Ah by the way I was just quoting a developer review.
So they're probably meaningless geeks.
Why to bring their reviews here than?
I would just give phones to people on the street and make the interviews
with them after 10 - 15 minutes fiddling with device.

But this is Scott Hanselman!

Windcape said:
But this is Scott Hanselman!
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So, what about that?

doministry said:
So, what about that?
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It would make sense to you if you were a developer

What about this:
"If Windows Mobile 7 fails to gain support, three smart phone platforms seem destined to dominate the world:"
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Windcape said:
It would make sense to you if you were a developer
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I have no idea what are you talking about.

vetvito said:
What about this:
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1224/4730246915_e1f534ba13.jpg
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Useless data with no information about the target audience is pointless.
MSDN is still king of the developer networks, and everybody who's in the .NET or XNA community is seems ready to play with WP7.
There's a much larger amount of .NET developers wanting to tinker with WP7, than Java developers wanting to tinker with Android.
And the business model is still much better for WP7 than Android. Specially for European application developers, where Android Market still don't support buying applications in a very large number of countries.
doministry said:
I have no idea what are you talking about.
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Of course not. You're just a user, a sheep, you aren't meant to understand anything.
To be fair, the amount of sheeps in this forum keep to amaze me.

Windcape said:
Useless data with no information about the target audience is pointless.
MSDN is still king of the developer networks, and everybody who's in the .NET or XNA community is seems ready to play with WP7.
There's a much larger amount of .NET developers wanting to tinker with WP7, than Java developers wanting to tinker with Android.
And the business model is still much better for WP7 than Android. Specially for European application developers, where Android Market still don't support buying applications in a very large number of countries.
Of course not. You're just a user, a sheep, you aren't meant to understand anything.
To be fair, the amount of sheeps in this forum keep to amaze me.
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You know what, you start to annoy me.
Your post was just simply not clear in context that's why I asked.
If you still want to perfom here this rude and pointless attitude of beeing I don't know who,
just get the **** out of here and spam somwhere else.
I have no reason to be offended here by such a prick.
Hopefully admins see that.

It's not me doing personal attacks and insults to everybody disagreeing with my opinions.

Windcape said:
It's not me doing personal attacks and insults to everybody disagreeing with my opinions.
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Yes it is exactly you, deprecating other posters here.
Actually many "sheeps" here show much better, well based argumentation and better situation overview,
than you "developer" or whoever you are.

Calling non-developers for sheeps is hardly a insult, it's a metaphor, and I didn't invent it.
Using rude/fowl language, personal attacks, and direct insults however, is a totally different story. But it's typical ignorant haters like yourself.

Windcape said:
Calling non-developers for sheeps is hardly a insult, it's a metaphor, and I didn't invent it.
Using rude/fowl language, personal attacks, and direct insults however, is a totally different story. But it's typical ignorant haters like yourself.
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You see, you again use words in a negative context.
In fact I'm not any hater, nor ignorant, nor even typical.
If you don't know what you write stop writing.
But first leave.

Market place apps suck?

Is it just me or are the apps in the WP7 market place really ****ty?
I am still trying to figure out whether to go Android or WP7 so i started checking out the market place. Well, my 1st impression is that there is nothing worth it, and when there is they are plain simple without any worth functionality or add-on.

I agree and posted similar on another thread. Really hope they get better very soon

What?
First of all, the market isn't open to the (general) public yet - there's well over 1,000 apps going through the curation process that aren't actually posted yet.
Of what's there right now, you have tons of desirable applications present such as Slacker Radio, IMDB, Shazam, Foursquare, Twitter, etc.
Stop hunting for things to complain about.

What do you mean not open to the public?
Just open your Zune software and you can easily browse the 1000+ apps that are there. Nothing comes even close to the apps that are available for my iPod touch for example.

kazamaza said:
What do you mean not open to the public?
Just open your Zune software and you can easily browse the 1000+ apps that are there. Nothing comes even close to the apps that are available for my iPod touch for example.
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i think you need to be a bit patient with WP7. It will all fall into place (hopefully).
Apps will come, let WP7 release first.

kazamaza said:
What do you mean not open to the public?
Just open your Zune software and you can easily browse the 1000+ apps that are there. Nothing comes even close to the apps that are available for my iPod touch for example.
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LOL, maybe compare apples to apples
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Nothing comes even close to the apps that are available for my iPod touch for example.
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Start naming apps.

When you've actually TRIED the applications let us know. Screenshots and text descriptions do not an application make. Unless your idevice runs WP7 software already then of course you are correct.

The Harvest is up on marketplace now and that looks sweet.

I thinly before just going hay arnt the apps crap you should look at Android marker and itunes and ask yourself what here is any better that wp7 doesn't have or will have within a very small amount of time. I mean its easy to just go oh there so much rubbish but really how many sound bored fart machines and fake beers do you wan?

I just did a quick counted and there are 532 Apps. Not sure what happed on Zune it is only showing 173 now??
More then I expected considering the phone is not launched yet.

Netflix is up, sprint needs to hurry with a wp7 device the epic is pissing my off

I love how quantity = quality

Well, considering Microsoft said that it will LAUNCH with a thousand + apps already in the market. So now we have to know the policies and regulations one's app must meet to get into the market, this is usually how you can tell if the majority of the apps are garbage, or not... Just like if you can tell, the Facebook app on iPhone is better than the Facebook app on Android. The games on iPhone look and feel nicer, and they tend to fail less often. The stricter the rules are, the more polished they come out, at least that is how I look at it.

I'm just glad that companies like netflix, twitter, ebay etc have official apps for WP7. Having those companies back WP7 is a big deal even if Microsoft had to throw some money their way to do it.

kazamaza said:
What do you mean not open to the public?
Just open your Zune software and you can easily browse the 1000+ apps that are there. Nothing comes even close to the apps that are available for my iPod touch for example.
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were you honestly expecting WP7 to have 200,000 apps on it's release? And how can you compare a brand new, unlaunched platform to iOS, which has been in dev hands for years?
There are applications still in development, don't criticize until the marketplace catches steam. Also theres applications that Android and Iphone can only dream of such as Cocktail Flow, just look to see.

krjcook said:
were you honestly expecting WP7 to have 200,000 apps on it's release? And how can you compare a brand new, unlaunched platform to iOS, which has been in dev hands for years?
There are applications still in development, don't criticize until the marketplace catches steam. Also theres applications that Android and Iphone can only dream of such as Cocktail Flow, just look to see.
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Cool application...this is the right link I think:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qghf4e2n0Yc

ok , let us be concrete and give examples.
There are no RSS applications that are worth downloading.RSS application do not even Sync with Google reader. They do not have connectivity with Facebook, ReadItLater, Digg it, etc.....
Even the Shazam app looks a dwarfed version of the one available on the iPhone.
Furthermore everything (text, icons, gfx) all look huge on the screen in all applications. Sacrificing visual granularity in order to claim a faster experience is yet another deceiving wicked way of Microsoft claims.
Take a look at the Sudoku apps, it looks better in a newspaper and a pen. Why can't they check what Sudoku on iPhone looks like and try to beat that or at least copy it.
Come on guys, I can keep on and on with examples. I wouldn't launch a new product with such apps, especially when I claim a 500million dollar marketing campaign. That would be a fiasco just like the KIN before it.
At Christmas time, I will have to decide on either WP7 or Android (I am an Apple hater), so far Android wins on every point.

kazamaza said:
ok , let us be concrete and give examples.
There are no RSS applications that are worth downloading.RSS application do not even Sync with Google reader. They do not have connectivity with Facebook, ReadItLater, Digg it, etc.....
Even the Shazam app looks a dwarfed version of the one available on the iPhone.
Furthermore everything (text, icons, gfx) all look huge on the screen in all applications. Sacrificing visual granularity in order to claim a faster experience is yet another deceiving wicked way of Microsoft claims.
Take a look at the Sudoku apps, it looks better in a newspaper and a pen. Why can't they check what Sudoku on iPhone looks like and try to beat that or at least copy it.
Come on guys, I can keep on and on with examples. I wouldn't launch a new product with such apps, especially when I claim a 500million dollar marketing campaign. That would be a fiasco just like the KIN before it.
At Christmas time, I will have to decide on either WP7 or Android (I am an Apple hater), so far Android wins on every point.
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I believe there's NewsRoom, which is an awesome RSS app on Android. Also Google Voice! Another cool app on the way is Super Private Conversation aka SPC. This app is a life saver on my G1.

kazamaza said:
ok , let us be concrete and give examples.
There are no RSS applications that are worth downloading.RSS application do not even Sync with Google reader. They do not have connectivity with Facebook, ReadItLater, Digg it, etc.....
Even the Shazam app looks a dwarfed version of the one available on the iPhone.
Furthermore everything (text, icons, gfx) all look huge on the screen in all applications. Sacrificing visual granularity in order to claim a faster experience is yet another deceiving wicked way of Microsoft claims.
Take a look at the Sudoku apps, it looks better in a newspaper and a pen. Why can't they check what Sudoku on iPhone looks like and try to beat that or at least copy it.
Come on guys, I can keep on and on with examples. I wouldn't launch a new product with such apps, especially when I claim a 500million dollar marketing campaign. That would be a fiasco just like the KIN before it.
At Christmas time, I will have to decide on either WP7 or Android (I am an Apple hater), so far Android wins on every point.
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Me to, Here is a nice article on where windows is heading, And phone sync to your car will be a breeze.
Today at the SAE Convergence 2010 Conference and Exhibition, Microsoft Corp. announced the availability of Windows Embedded Automotive 7 to select car makers and suppliers in the automotive industry.
http://electric-vehicles-cars-bikes.blogspot.com/2010/10/windows-embedded-automotive-v7.html

Good News - WP7 hits 10,000 apps in record time!

Interesting article on Engadget:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/11/windows-phone-7-marketplace-hits-10-000-apps-wp7-updates-still/
Wonder what all the naysayers are going to say now
Hit 10K+ apps in less than 4 1/2 months is great. I figure when Microsoft opens up more portions of the OS and adds multi-tasking, it's really going to skyrocket. WP7 is here to stay

it only makes sense. Back when the iPhone broke the scene, apps were unheard of. Apple popularized them. By the time wp7 comes along, its the norm.
I love wp7 and will probly stick with it for a looong time, but you have to take a 'record' like this with a grain of salt.

sure haven't said:
it only makes sense. Back when the iPhone broke the scene, apps were unheard of. Apple popularized them. By the time wp7 comes along, its the norm.
I love wp7 and will probly stick with it for a looong time, but you have to take a 'record' like this with a grain of salt.
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granted, but what you can't take with a grain of salt is the app-able mobile operating systems that wp7 is having to compete against for business and/or the attention of developers.
congrats msft!

Pretty impressive just a shame about the lack of api's available to the developers at the moment..

sure haven't said:
it only makes sense. Back when the iPhone broke the scene, apps were unheard of. Apple popularized them. By the time wp7 comes along, its the norm.
I love wp7 and will probly stick with it for a looong time, but you have to take a 'record' like this with a grain of salt.
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Tell that to Brew Mobile, Bada OS, Symbian ^3, and WebOS. This means something and it is a pity people prefer to post in threads bashing WP7's lack of speedy updates but fail to see how amazing the app progression has been.
Despite locking down many APIs! The only criticism I do have is this aspect since I really would love to see skype and whatsapp on WP7.

I don't know if like me you regularly check the marketplace for new apps but over the last 2-3 weeks the amount of crap has risen considerably.
I'd prefer it if apps were growing slower but with more quality.

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Peew971 said:
I don't know if like me you regularly check the marketplace for new apps but over the last 2-3 weeks the amount of crap has risen considerably.
I'd prefer it if apps were growing slower but with more quality.
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While I agree with you, many less informed people out there relate amount of apps to the success of the OS.
So having lots is a good thing if WP7 is to encourage more and more buyers.

cyclical said:
While I agree with you, many less informed people out there relate amount of apps to the success of the OS.
So having lots is a good thing if WP7 is to encourage more and more buyers.
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Yeah I guess when it comes to perception you're right.

all the app stores are full of crap with a smaller selection of really good apps/games. I think they are using the fact that app development has not slowed as a positive sign going forward.

nicksti said:
Tell that to Brew Mobile, Bada OS, Symbian ^3, and WebOS. This means something and it is a pity people prefer to post in threads bashing WP7's lack of speedy updates but fail to see how amazing the app progression has been.
Despite locking down many APIs! The only criticism I do have is this aspect since I really would love to see skype and whatsapp on WP7.
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fuzemaster said:
granted, but what you can't take with a grain of salt is the app-able mobile operating systems that wp7 is having to compete against for business and/or the attention of developers.
congrats msft!
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Alright, that actually makes sense.
I'm not too manly to admit it: I was wrong on the internet.

nicksti said:
Tell that to Brew Mobile, Bada OS, Symbian ^3, and WebOS. This means something and it is a pity people prefer to post in threads bashing WP7's lack of speedy updates but fail to see how amazing the app progression has been.
Despite locking down many APIs! The only criticism I do have is this aspect since I really would love to see skype and whatsapp on WP7.
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WP7 has more developers than users. Those other OS's didn't throw as much bait money as Microsoft, plus they don't have all the big name OEMs behind them.

What bait money? You do realize that developers have to actually PAY money to be in the marketplace?

What is the point vetvito? You are the end user not the owner of the business. I mean, people just want to criticize sometimes.
So they spent a ton of money getting apps for their product. The consumer won. How is that a problem for us, the consumer?

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What bait money? You do realize that developers have to actually PAY money to be in the marketplace?
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Digger, that is what comes out when people have an agenda. Do not get tricked into that kind of discussion. Microsoft did hire a bunch of developers to push an initial offering of apps for WP7.
But that does not matter at all. We are the consumer. We want apps. Microsoft gave us 10,000 apps in no time at all.
Trust me, the next criticism to come is that 100% of the apps are junk. I can see it a mile away.

digger1985 said:
What bait money? You do realize that developers have to actually PAY money to be in the marketplace?
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http://www.fiercemobilecontent.com/...elopers-build-apps-windows-phone-7/2010-07-14
http://www.intomobile.com/2010/06/1...pers-to-port-iphone-apps-to-windows-mobile-7/
http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/microsoft-paying-for-windows-phone-7-apps/
Should I post more, or are you going to search for yourself?

vetvito said:
http://www.fiercemobilecontent.com/...elopers-build-apps-windows-phone-7/2010-07-14
http://www.intomobile.com/2010/06/1...pers-to-port-iphone-apps-to-windows-mobile-7/
http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/microsoft-paying-for-windows-phone-7-apps/
Should I post more, or are you going to search for yourself?
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Yes, they did. You are the end user and this is good for you.

All I can say, from my limited experience with WP7 apps...actually games, they are re-sponsored ports of iPhone games. One classic example it Fruit Ninja. It's on nearly all systems but the one it appears to be designed for is the iPhone. The WP7 version and Android version isn't optimized for the system and screen aspect ratio. And the WP7 version was put out by MS. Apparently MS contracted with the dev to get it on WP7. There are other examples of this also.
So a portion of 3rd party apps are put out by MS, themselves, and not by their devs.

What a terribly biased article.
Just look at the headline:
Windows Phone 7 Marketplace hits 10,000 apps, Microsoft WP7 updates still way outnumbered
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The two parts have sweet FA to do with each other and the second half has absolutely nothing to do with the article....
Casey

MartyLK said:
And the WP7 version was put out by MS. Apparently MS contracted with the dev to get it on WP7. There are other examples of this also.
So a portion of 3rd party apps are put out by MS, themselves, and not by their devs.
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All Xbox Live games have to be put out by a publisher (similar to in the console market). Games like Fruit Ninja and Angry Birds typically don't have publisher backing so Microsoft becomes the publisher. Microsoft's involvement doesn't extend beyond getting the game released.