Well, the headline says it all.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/live-from-apples-iphone-os-4-event/
While Apple's implementation does not even come close to something like webOS, it's at least something.
Of course, with apps like AppSwipe on Android or TaskFacade on WM, we've had this forever.
But who's the only one left who doesn't have it? I think this is just embarrassing for Microsoft.
And that along with WP7's not-so-revolutionary UI, that wastes lots of space and doesn't include notifications handling like Android or webOS...
...sorry, but I hope WP7 fails miserably. That's what Microsoft deserve.
And by the way, Apple copied an Android developer!
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If I read Engadget correctly, that's not real multitasking. They provide seven (?) system services that applications can use, like Audio etc. Which is definitely better than no multitasking (and for many practical intents and purposes may be better than real multitasking), but still...
Still better than WP7, though.
And as I said, it doesn't come close to webOS or Android, or even WM.
Those are still better at multitasking.
Nevertheless, I think this is embarrassing.
EDIT: Not sure yet.
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Still better than WP7, though.
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No doubt about it. In terms of overall device performance it may be better than Android or WM, actually, even though limiting for certain applications.
I think I like how Apple did it. Looks like a pretty good compromise to me.
It's not bad, actually. But Android hasn't failed on me so far, thus I still prefer the full multitasking.
OK, two more announcements that I find quite embarrassing for Microsoft:
Multiple Exchange accounts
A gaming network for iPhone gamers.
They just blew away two of the most important (and only?) advantages of WP7, PLUS they even do something that WP7 doesn't: limited multitasking.
I don't know, but... This is sad
Microsoft have had it all in their hands for ten years and now they can't come up with something even remotely competitive?
This is sad, IMO.
Actually I got a question. Does windows mobile allow multiple exchange accounts? I was surprised to see that in the Apple conference.
No, Windows Mobile does not.
Windows Phone 7 will allow it.
Yeah I just read this post. They are going all out to try to head off WP7 before it even comes out. Microsoft better get busy on getting all the drawbacks of WP7 in line.
I laughed when they announced Apple iBox Live. Maybe Microsoft should have kept that one under wraps.
This was a sweeping swipe at both Microsoft and Google.
Great! You may love or hat Apple, but this was great.
Anyway, it's still not competitive to Android. Still misses notification handling and widgets, which make Android nicer to use.
At least that makes me happy, cause my Nexus will definitely NOT be outdated in July.
I'll reserve my final judgment till they announce the new hardware specs. They still don't offer good codec support, itunes is still a crime against humanity, and I haven't seen a new way to handle notifications.
The iPhone 4.0 multitasking seems to be really similar to the implementation in WP7.
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The iPhone 4.0 multitasking seems to be really similar to the implementation in WP7.
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No, it's better. In WP7, developers can't use those background services (e.g. music).
Sethos II said:
No, it's better. In WP7, developers can't use those background services (e.g. music).
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Correct you are currently the only thing 3rd party apps can do right now is push notifications. No services running in the background period.
7 limited APIs. This is the direction I expect(ed) Windows Phone to take.
Windows has the push notifications, the instant-resume apps, and music APIs that let apps plug into Zune and play music in the background... but Apple has covered the few scenarios most requested on XDA i.e. location tracking, task completion, 3rd party music, and VOIP.
Microsoft HAS to get these done or Phone 7 will be an inferior OS. Now I know iPhone started weak, watched the game, and add features after a few years, and Windows is starting new. Microsoft doesn't have the time though.. here and now, iPhone will have both data detection and copy paste while MS is catching up.
Also, Apple will make a crapton of money off iAd. Good luck Microsoft, I sort of believe in you
It's what WP7 was meant to have but didn't get in time. Third party services won't run on the iPhone either. The OS will provide services that will perform some background tasks for applications.
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...sorry, but I hope WP7 fails miserably. That's what Microsoft deserve.
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I don't agree. Stepping up to "take accountability" when it's so risky to start new is something I can applaud. They're just so slowww
I really really hope this helps Microsoft wake up. They still have some time, maybe they will fix the broken things.... I hope.
P.S. hahaha "iBox Live" I love it
Related
I don't know if it's been asked, but what kind of Windows Live intergration will we see. Will it be the half-ass stuff we see now, or will we FINALLY see calendar syncing.
I guess I should have just asked if we'll see windows Live calendar in Windows Phone 7.
I was about to ask the same thing. I heard in one of the videos that multiple calendars would be supported (Ie: work, personnal etc...) Now I'm digging in the emulator to see if WL Cal is finally supported, so I can ditch gmail alltogether.
EDIT: I just went through the emulator, and since we can't add email accounts, I can't deny nor confirm the existence of WL Cal sync.
Allthough I SWEAR I heard Joe Belfiore saying that WLCal is supported...
it better be. It's really no excuse for it not being in there all this time to be honest.
smokeyb111 said:
I don't know if it's been asked, but what kind of Windows Live intergration will we see. Will it be the half-ass stuff we see now, or will we FINALLY see calendar syncing.
I guess I should have just asked if we'll see windows Live calendar in Windows Phone 7.
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you will probably see an app developed by MS for iphone before that.
How I hate MS for that. The new bing website looks so good on an iphone..
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and so crappy on my HTC Pure
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How I hate MS for that. The new bing website looks so good on an iphone..
and so crappy on my HTC Pure
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That's not the website, it's the Bing app on the iPhone.
But yes, it DOES look better than the Bing app on WM
I do realize that....but you know what I mean...that app is not available for WM6+
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I do realize that....but you know what I mean...that app is not available for WM6+
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It is! That screenshot is from the Bing app for WM.
Or did I misunderstand something?
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It is! That screenshot is from the Bing app for WM.
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Not available on m.bing.com/download
They are handing out the utterly finger unresponsive app shown below
Seriously? They're still not distributing the new one? OMG.
But even the new one is worse than the one for the iPhone.
That's how you know their mobile division is screwed.
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Seriously? They're still not distributing the new one? OMG.
But even the new one is worse than the one for the iPhone.
That's how you know their mobile division is screwed.
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I had the new one but went back to the uglier old one. The new one would not save a found address to contacts. And the older one is a little more finger friendly. The newer one just looks better...style but not enough substance.
It's a shame the iPhone one look's so much better, but I think it has something to do with the SDK. iPhone's SDK probably lends itself to great looking apps with minimal effort by the developer as opposed to WM.
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That's not the website, it's the Bing app on the iPhone.
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They do have a Bing mobile website for the iPhone (and I think maybe certain other devices) that makes m.bing.com look like a piece of crap. They also have the good iPhone app, as you pointed out. On WM I just stuck with the old Live Search App because it has Movies and Gas Prices and such.
Back on topic, Windows Live is fully integrated, including the Calendar.
WhyBe said:
It's a shame the iPhone one look's so much better, but I think it has something to do with the SDK. iPhone's SDK probably lends itself to great looking apps with minimal effort by the developer as opposed to WM.
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You are right. But then, why did they have to dump the whole OS, if a new SDK would have been the solution to most of theri problems?
Imagine WM6.5 with a better UI and a good SDK. Problems solved. They could have released that a year ago and it would have been perfectly competitive to the iPhone.
Instead, they did nothing for more than one and a half years, cause they could not figure out what to do (though everyone here knew it). In the end, there was no other option left than dump the whole OS and start a new one, without all the things we loved about WM. Sad.
They screwed up completely and they still don't know what to do. The fights within the company still aren't over (though the iPhone enviers within MS won the first round). This is inexcusable.
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You are right. But then, why did they have to dump the whole OS, if a new SDK would have been the solution to most of theri problems?
Imagine WM6.5 with a better UI and a good SDK. Problems solved. They could have released that a year ago and it would have been perfectly competitive to the iPhone.
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You're making huge assumptions here. How do you know that's the only problem with WM.
Instead, they did nothing for more than one and a half years, cause they could not figure out what to do (though everyone here knew it). In the end, there was no other option left than dump the whole OS and start a new one, without all the things we loved about WM. Sad.
They screwed up completely and they still don't know what to do. The fights within the company still aren't over (though the iPhone enviers within MS won the first round). This is inexcusable.
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Again, you're being very presumptuous. Do have inside information or something?
I do have a bit of information, yes. But most of it is widely known, anyway.
How do I know that the ugly, non-fingerfriendly UI and the lousy SDK were Windows Mobile's main problems? Just a bit of common sense.
After all, what were the things that made the iPhone successful? It's easy to use and it has apps, apps, apps.
It certainly weren't the lousy camera or the lack of features or the annoying restrictions.
I think it'll be tightly integrated since you'll be able to see peoples updates through the windows live profiles as well.
I hope it has good integration so I can finally have one consitent contact list. Some are an outlook, some are on messenger. Having doubles is a pain in the beginning and take a good time to clean it up. Now they're both on my phone but still half/half on my software.
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...After all, what were the things that made the iPhone successful? It's easy to use and it has apps, apps, apps.
It certainly weren't the lousy camera or the lack of features or the annoying restrictions.
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iPhone was successful long before it had apps. It was a great product despite it's perceived flaws. WP7 should follow suit.
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iPhone was successful long before it had apps. It was a great product despite it's perceived flaws. WP7 should follow suit.
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And what made it successful before it had apps?
It certainly weren't the lousy camera or the lack of features or the annoying restrictions.
It was the UI. Everyone could use that thing, it was even easier to use than most people's dumbphones, thus they had no problems switching to the iPhone and of course, they liked it, cause it could do much more than the dumbphones they had before. They didn't know that Windows Mobile existed and had much more features and they didn't care, cause Windows Mobile was not as easy to use as a dumbphone.
Before the iPhone had apps, a good UI would have been enough for Windows Mobile. When the iPhone got an SDK, a good SDK would have saved Windows Mobile (plus maybe an appstore).
It's that easy, but Microsoft screwed it all up.
Is it just me or are the apps in the WP7 market place really ****ty?
I am still trying to figure out whether to go Android or WP7 so i started checking out the market place. Well, my 1st impression is that there is nothing worth it, and when there is they are plain simple without any worth functionality or add-on.
I agree and posted similar on another thread. Really hope they get better very soon
What?
First of all, the market isn't open to the (general) public yet - there's well over 1,000 apps going through the curation process that aren't actually posted yet.
Of what's there right now, you have tons of desirable applications present such as Slacker Radio, IMDB, Shazam, Foursquare, Twitter, etc.
Stop hunting for things to complain about.
What do you mean not open to the public?
Just open your Zune software and you can easily browse the 1000+ apps that are there. Nothing comes even close to the apps that are available for my iPod touch for example.
kazamaza said:
What do you mean not open to the public?
Just open your Zune software and you can easily browse the 1000+ apps that are there. Nothing comes even close to the apps that are available for my iPod touch for example.
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i think you need to be a bit patient with WP7. It will all fall into place (hopefully).
Apps will come, let WP7 release first.
kazamaza said:
What do you mean not open to the public?
Just open your Zune software and you can easily browse the 1000+ apps that are there. Nothing comes even close to the apps that are available for my iPod touch for example.
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LOL, maybe compare apples to apples
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Nothing comes even close to the apps that are available for my iPod touch for example.
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Start naming apps.
When you've actually TRIED the applications let us know. Screenshots and text descriptions do not an application make. Unless your idevice runs WP7 software already then of course you are correct.
The Harvest is up on marketplace now and that looks sweet.
I thinly before just going hay arnt the apps crap you should look at Android marker and itunes and ask yourself what here is any better that wp7 doesn't have or will have within a very small amount of time. I mean its easy to just go oh there so much rubbish but really how many sound bored fart machines and fake beers do you wan?
I just did a quick counted and there are 532 Apps. Not sure what happed on Zune it is only showing 173 now??
More then I expected considering the phone is not launched yet.
Netflix is up, sprint needs to hurry with a wp7 device the epic is pissing my off
I love how quantity = quality
Well, considering Microsoft said that it will LAUNCH with a thousand + apps already in the market. So now we have to know the policies and regulations one's app must meet to get into the market, this is usually how you can tell if the majority of the apps are garbage, or not... Just like if you can tell, the Facebook app on iPhone is better than the Facebook app on Android. The games on iPhone look and feel nicer, and they tend to fail less often. The stricter the rules are, the more polished they come out, at least that is how I look at it.
I'm just glad that companies like netflix, twitter, ebay etc have official apps for WP7. Having those companies back WP7 is a big deal even if Microsoft had to throw some money their way to do it.
kazamaza said:
What do you mean not open to the public?
Just open your Zune software and you can easily browse the 1000+ apps that are there. Nothing comes even close to the apps that are available for my iPod touch for example.
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were you honestly expecting WP7 to have 200,000 apps on it's release? And how can you compare a brand new, unlaunched platform to iOS, which has been in dev hands for years?
There are applications still in development, don't criticize until the marketplace catches steam. Also theres applications that Android and Iphone can only dream of such as Cocktail Flow, just look to see.
krjcook said:
were you honestly expecting WP7 to have 200,000 apps on it's release? And how can you compare a brand new, unlaunched platform to iOS, which has been in dev hands for years?
There are applications still in development, don't criticize until the marketplace catches steam. Also theres applications that Android and Iphone can only dream of such as Cocktail Flow, just look to see.
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Cool application...this is the right link I think:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qghf4e2n0Yc
ok , let us be concrete and give examples.
There are no RSS applications that are worth downloading.RSS application do not even Sync with Google reader. They do not have connectivity with Facebook, ReadItLater, Digg it, etc.....
Even the Shazam app looks a dwarfed version of the one available on the iPhone.
Furthermore everything (text, icons, gfx) all look huge on the screen in all applications. Sacrificing visual granularity in order to claim a faster experience is yet another deceiving wicked way of Microsoft claims.
Take a look at the Sudoku apps, it looks better in a newspaper and a pen. Why can't they check what Sudoku on iPhone looks like and try to beat that or at least copy it.
Come on guys, I can keep on and on with examples. I wouldn't launch a new product with such apps, especially when I claim a 500million dollar marketing campaign. That would be a fiasco just like the KIN before it.
At Christmas time, I will have to decide on either WP7 or Android (I am an Apple hater), so far Android wins on every point.
kazamaza said:
ok , let us be concrete and give examples.
There are no RSS applications that are worth downloading.RSS application do not even Sync with Google reader. They do not have connectivity with Facebook, ReadItLater, Digg it, etc.....
Even the Shazam app looks a dwarfed version of the one available on the iPhone.
Furthermore everything (text, icons, gfx) all look huge on the screen in all applications. Sacrificing visual granularity in order to claim a faster experience is yet another deceiving wicked way of Microsoft claims.
Take a look at the Sudoku apps, it looks better in a newspaper and a pen. Why can't they check what Sudoku on iPhone looks like and try to beat that or at least copy it.
Come on guys, I can keep on and on with examples. I wouldn't launch a new product with such apps, especially when I claim a 500million dollar marketing campaign. That would be a fiasco just like the KIN before it.
At Christmas time, I will have to decide on either WP7 or Android (I am an Apple hater), so far Android wins on every point.
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I believe there's NewsRoom, which is an awesome RSS app on Android. Also Google Voice! Another cool app on the way is Super Private Conversation aka SPC. This app is a life saver on my G1.
kazamaza said:
ok , let us be concrete and give examples.
There are no RSS applications that are worth downloading.RSS application do not even Sync with Google reader. They do not have connectivity with Facebook, ReadItLater, Digg it, etc.....
Even the Shazam app looks a dwarfed version of the one available on the iPhone.
Furthermore everything (text, icons, gfx) all look huge on the screen in all applications. Sacrificing visual granularity in order to claim a faster experience is yet another deceiving wicked way of Microsoft claims.
Take a look at the Sudoku apps, it looks better in a newspaper and a pen. Why can't they check what Sudoku on iPhone looks like and try to beat that or at least copy it.
Come on guys, I can keep on and on with examples. I wouldn't launch a new product with such apps, especially when I claim a 500million dollar marketing campaign. That would be a fiasco just like the KIN before it.
At Christmas time, I will have to decide on either WP7 or Android (I am an Apple hater), so far Android wins on every point.
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Me to, Here is a nice article on where windows is heading, And phone sync to your car will be a breeze.
Today at the SAE Convergence 2010 Conference and Exhibition, Microsoft Corp. announced the availability of Windows Embedded Automotive 7 to select car makers and suppliers in the automotive industry.
http://electric-vehicles-cars-bikes.blogspot.com/2010/10/windows-embedded-automotive-v7.html
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Stephen Elop, in his financial and strategy briefing continuing Nokia's marathon Capital Markets Day, just posed an interesting rhetorical question: will Nokia be able to "customize everything" on Windows Phone 7 in order to differentiate itself? "Yes!" was Elop's ebullient proclamation, though he quickly pulled it back to say that Nokia likely won't make extensive use of this freedom to tailor Microsoft's OS. Instead, the company will be cautious and seek to maintain compatibility rather than pushing the boat out too far in tweaking the underlying software. That's a major shift for Microsoft, who forbade HTC from skinning Windows Phone 7 with Sense, something the Taiwanese company would surely have loved to do, and limited it to the introduction of a self-contained Hub. Now Nokia's saying it -- perhaps exclusively -- has been given the liberty to play around inside WP7 to its heart's content. We'll see how important that turns out to be whenever Nokia delivers its first device bearing its new smartphone OS. An insider tip tells us the current plan is to introduce such a handset by the end of 2011, potentially based on current hardware. Who's ready for Xbox Live on a future version of the N8?
Source: Endgadget http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/11/nokia-will-be-able-to-customize-everything-in-windows-phone-7/
Does this mean tht v can have hope of getting in deeper thru the roots of WP7, as nokia will surely hav a foot in, all v hav to do is follow them in...right? bt the only thing is tht the "microkia's" are still a lil far off. by then v probably wil already be down inside...eh...
Hope they won't change much。。。
Nokia Maps, Nokia Navigation etc. Those would be the most important things... And a look like this!
JuWa said:
Nokia Maps, Nokia Navigation etc. Those would be the most important things... And a look like this!
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A few more edges would be fine...I don't like this rounded design.
But, if these will have free Ovi Maps Navigation and those ultra clear black AMOLED-screen, I'd definitely go for them!
Hopefully they don't change a whole lot other than maybe apps. We've seen how multiple UIs has affected the fragmentation and performance of Android. If it's properly executed, and we have the option to use the standard Metro UI, I'm up for it, and as long as it doesn't hog the CPU performance any different than current devices, I'm up for possibly purchasing it. The reason why WP7, at least to me, is so appealing is because it runs so fluid and has a "togetherness" feel to it. All of the apps, the menus, etc all have the same design to them while not detracting from variety of apps.
madmax85812 said:
Stephen Elop, in his financial and strategy briefing continuing Nokia's marathon Capital Markets Day, just posed an interesting rhetorical question: will Nokia be able to "customize everything" on Windows Phone 7 in order to differentiate itself? "Yes!" was Elop's ebullient proclamation, though he quickly pulled it back to say that Nokia likely won't make extensive use of this freedom to tailor Microsoft's OS. Instead, the company will be cautious and seek to maintain compatibility rather than pushing the boat out too far in tweaking the underlying software. That's a major shift for Microsoft, who forbade HTC from skinning Windows Phone 7 with Sense, something the Taiwanese company would surely have loved to do, and limited it to the introduction of a self-contained Hub. Now Nokia's saying it -- perhaps exclusively -- has been given the liberty to play around inside WP7 to its heart's content. We'll see how important that turns out to be whenever Nokia delivers its first device bearing its new smartphone OS. An insider tip tells us the current plan is to introduce such a handset by the end of 2011, potentially based on current hardware. Who's ready for Xbox Live on a future version of the N8?
Source: Endgadget http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/11/nokia-will-be-able-to-customize-everything-in-windows-phone-7/
Does this mean tht v can have hope of getting in deeper thru the roots of WP7, as nokia will surely hav a foot in, all v hav to do is follow them in...right? bt the only thing is tht the "microkia's" are still a lil far off. by then v probably wil already be down inside...eh...
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omg onoz fragemtation !!!11111
wait, this is wp7, so now fragmentation is ok, right ?
the buttons are gone , what's next ?
Wonder if that pic is a dodgy mock up?
ohgood said:
omg onoz fragmentation !!!
wait, this is wp7, so now fragmentation is ok, right ?
the buttons are gone , what's next ?
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You might engage both brain cells before your next post?
Tone_ said:
You might engage both brain cells before your next post?
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Don't overstrain him
I've been an WP7 advocate since it first appeared Q1 2010 and has avidly followed it up until I finally bought my HD7 back in Dec 2010. I love my device and the simplicity behind the OS, but there's a lot lacking. While the marketplace is booming with activity, there's still little developer support because of its you product life and I feel mango is launching a little late. In its current way, WP7 is still an abysmal OS, no one can deny that. And is the sole reason I will be switching back to android for a short minute until WP7 matures into something like this: The Early Concepts of WP7
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A lot of hardware has launched with Android at the heart and its harder and harder to not acknowledge that. Just look at the Samsung Galaxy S2.
This is not to be a troll thread, and all I'm merely asking is anyone feeling like me.
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In its current way, WP7 is still an abysmal OS, no one can deny that.
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I can deny that.
Further, I don't understand what those concepts feature that today's WP7 lacks. The ability to read email and answer phone calls?
This is absolutely a troll thread.
First you say this...
krjcook said:
I've been an WP7 advocate since it first appeared Q1 2010...
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But then you follow it with this...
krjcook said:
In its current way, WP7 is still an abysmal OS, no one can deny that.
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I can and DO deny this preposterous statement. WP7 has some shortcomings right now, but none of them are severe enough to prevent me from using and liking the phone. It is FAR from "abysmal".
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This is not to be a troll thread.
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Could have fooled me.
iOS and Android set the trend now Windows Phone 7 is refining it. Look at Mango... the things they've added...its not bolt ons, its not widgets or workarounds its deeply integrated things that have been well thought out and implemented. The Zune Software is a great example of this too and often gets overlooked. iTunes is an abhorrent mess, and Google well, you've got to search 3rd parties for something that provide the services that should be a core part of the operating system.
Wp7 is worth the wait. I spent way too much time messing around with android to get things working as they should.
Sent from my OMNIA7 using XDA Windows Phone 7 App
Schismal said:
I can deny that.
Further, I don't understand what those concepts feature that today's WP7 lacks. The ability to read email and answer phone calls?
This is absolutely a troll thread.
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I had a feeling someone would jump off the deep end and come at aggressively with the troll remarks. Look me up on Xbl: keenancook , I have WP7 gaming achievements because I own the HD7. But anyways, those pics were show what WP7 may have in the future and why I'm still considering the OS. But WP7 lacking a lot:
Applications, application, applications. WP7 is just lacking, time is what it needs and how many people are willing to wait.
Big Dev's aren't paying too much attention
Main System Menu is BLAND
Too Much Scrolling Just to get where I need.
Marketplace needs revision.
Having to Wait For Features.
As much as I like Android for what it is, I will never go back to that abysmally fragmented OS and half-baked feel. I can wait for Mango, which is bringing 80-90% of the features I wanted, and will see a huge surge in applications with all the new API's released.
wp7 UI is infinitely better than anything else out right now for me, and you add Mango to that, and I am very happy.
so according to your poll, i can only respond that im staying with WP7 if Im waiting for future updates?
What If I'm staying because I like what it IS.
I bought WP7 and I'm staying with WP7 because I like what it is NOW. Mango is extra gravy...
sHAYM4N said:
iOS and Android set the trend now Windows Phone 7 is refining it. Look at Mango... the things they've added...its not bolt ons, its not widgets or workarounds its deeply integrated things that have been well thought out and implemented. The Zune Software is a great example of this too and often gets overlooked. iTunes is an abhorrent mess, and Google well, you've got to search 3rd parties for something that provide the services that should be a core part of the operating system.
Wp7 is worth the wait. I spent way too much time messing around with android to get things working as they should.
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I completely agree about Zune, I've been using it since I first got my Zune 30. Its the MultiMedia Playback Software both visually and from a performance standpoint, Itune/DoubleTwist lags on my PC.
But my problem isn't with Zune, its WP7. Am I the only one who's sick of all the poorly developed apps by amateurs, because the professionals aren't interested? Tired of waiting for a decent banking app? Where my Wachovia App? What about my Onstar App? Wtf is up with the expensive pricing or XBLA games? I would love to play Cut the Rope, how long do I have to wait for that? Free Turn by Turn GPs is coming, but only in 2D, with no orientation, How long do I have to wait for that?
munkeyphyst said:
so according to your poll, i can only respond that im staying with WP7 if Im waiting for future updates?
What If I'm staying because I like what it IS.
I bought WP7 and I'm staying with WP7 because I like what it is NOW. Mango is extra gravy...
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my thoughts exactly
munkeyphyst said:
so according to your poll, i can only respond that im staying with WP7 if Im waiting for future updates?
What If I'm staying because I like what it IS.
I bought WP7 and I'm staying with WP7 because I like what it is NOW. Mango is extra gravy...
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Obviously you just don't get it. You CAN'T like it for what it is, because it "is still an abysmal OS". Didn't you know that??
krjcook said:
Tired of waiting for a decent banking app? Where my Wachovia App? What about my Onstar App? Wtf is up with the expensive pricing or XBLA games? I would love to play Cut the Rope, how long do I have to wait for that? Free Turn by Turn GPs is coming, but only in 2D, with no orientation, How long do I have to wait for that?
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You don't have to wait for any of those things. Go buy an Android today, and boom! You're there. You can't have it both ways, though. You can't buy into a fledgling ecosystem and then act betrayed by the fact that it isn't as mature as one that has existed for years. That is a naive and immature reaction.
As for the apps you are clamoring for, many weren't possible with the APIs that have been available to developers. Microsoft realized this, and just this week released a new developer kit that includes over 1500 new APIs, which will cause the marketplace to expand at a much more rapid pace in the coming months.
They have now exporting the remote control feature to ios and android......., wth besides Zune they are taking the competitive advantage from WP. At least charge other platforms for the service.. http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/13/...or-iphone-brings-direct-remote-android-joins/
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They have now exporting the remote control feature to ios and android......., wth besides Zune they are taking the competitive advantage from WP. At least charge other platforms for the service.. http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/13/...or-iphone-brings-direct-remote-android-joins/
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I know; just saw that and I was like what the It's like they are making better or equal products for Android and iOS but I don't see iOS, Android and anyone else for that matter, making apps for Windows Phone. Like for exsample; I heard a rumor that with Connector for Mac you can actually sync with Outlook via USB but not with Windows/Windows Phone
I am just sitting here like why, I cannot show my friends anything I can do on my phone besides live tiles, now that FB is being integrated in iOS.
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Software company doing software, doesnt seem odd to me. Actually smart.
Great app btw
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While its understandable, its not evn a good effort. The App wont even start on my gtab 10.1, telling me the app would not work well on my device...
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Maybe your screen is too big, the app is great. Everything works even the Avatar animations.
Funny thing is, its implemented better than the WP7 version. Quck access to messages, and the dots at the bottom letting you know which screen you're on. If it stayed logged in that would be awesome, and a widget would make me replace Spark 360.
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You are all looking at it wrong:
The iPhone and Android users are just beta testers...
vetvito said:
Maybe your screen is too big, the app is great. Everything works even the Avatar animations.
Funny thing is, its implemented better than the WP7 version. Quck access to messages, and the dots at the bottom letting you know which screen you're on. If it stayed logged in that would be awesome, and a widget would make me replace Spark 360.
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Since I can not use the app despite google play saying it's compatible with my device (talk about bad user experience on android here... ) I can not compare it directly, but on WP7 I also have quick access to messages and I do not need dots to see what screen I am on... I can see that by looking at my screen
EDIT: wait. Regarding the messages, I am mixing this up with the games hub. Not that i have used the xbox live companion app too often, though. I never found it useful in the first place.
EDIT2: No, wait again. Is this app like the games hub or like the xbox live companion app?
As I also understand that Microsoft is a software company, they have the right to develop software on other platforms. But this affects their own products marketshare (wp). If people are used to the system their using and since ms apps are available across devices, why switch? The issue today isn't about how many their apps in store, or how an app is exclusive to this platform, but the OS experience (and also money money money). Take the iOS 6 example, not so wow-ing eh? People might eventually switch to another platform to have a different experience, but I know someone will counter-attack this statement so I'll say it now: People don't like change. People do from time to time. Think about it, in general most people get sick of doing the daily routine, in fact all of us do. That's why we choose to have hobbies or do something for a change to experience something totally different from the daily routine.
Secondly, its a persons decision. They like iOS, fine. Android, fine. Just as long as they brag about this and complain about that, its not like everyone cares about your device.
Also keep in mind that Xbox Music may also be available to these devices. They may have showed it off at E3 that it was running on a lumia 800 or a windows tablet, but you just never know.
In windows phone, the games hub is the whole Xbox Live app available in iOS and Android. The Xbox Companion app is only available for windows phone and iOS atm.
vetvito said:
Funny thing is, its implemented better than the WP7 version. Quck access to messages, and the dots at the bottom letting you know which screen you're on. If it stayed logged in that would be awesome, and a widget would make me replace Spark 360.
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That's because windows phone's metro UI is panoramic/pivot, the whole hub/app overlaps the screen, unlike iOS and android which an app is only limited to use the available screen resolution, unless it is programmed to.
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You are all looking at it wrong:
The iPhone and Android users are just beta testers...
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I believe the app/functionality was first available on WP7. So who is a beta tester?
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Coming from a household (and a workplace) where each 'user' has picked the PC / Tablet / Phone / Device of their choice, integration of all of them is VERY important, and reaffirms my personal commitment to the Win platform. They're thinking of my needs, not their domination of the market.
Seriously, watch all the google-using people complain about what they can do better on their google devices. Why wouldn't the additional exposure on 'foreign' OS devices for an MS app make you think about switching to the platform where the app came from?
In the case of the next generation, this just makes sense. Who'd want a centralized device in your living room that only connected with less than half the devices you already own? That critical piece (XBox) needs to be connected everywhere and to everything before users can even think of replacing existing devices. This is critical for success in the already installed base of devices out there.
People would be unimpressed if they had this 'cool feature' that let them control / stream / et. al.: but only if you buy all new devices. Wow, that would blow chucks pretty fast.
It's analogous to Office products - who'd buy into it if it ONLY worked with a small subset of devices / OS'es? It simply MUST be ubiquitous to take it seriously.
Correct, people need to understand the Xbox is a entirely different beast then petty cell phones. Microsoft makes more money off of Xbox, hardware and software.
Something better to focus on, Skype
http://mobile.theverge.com/2012/6/13/3082352/windows-phone-8-screenshots-skype-camera-ui-rumor
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