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I think wm is dead, let's get android! or is it just me

just returned my iphone, its like a pretty blonde; hot on the outside but nothing on the inside. i think wm is pretty much dead though; android will usher in a new era. i think we should just dismiss the last gen roms and look forward. Its obvious from apple releasing sdks for their tight ass phone that android has a little more than something up their sleeve; cant wait to see what htc devices deliver

Yep, it's just you.

I beg to differ, if you put WM in the hands of a decent development house you could come up with a very nice looking device
http://www.sonyericsson.com/x1/default.aspx?cc=gb&lc=en

tonyb15re said:
I beg to differ, if you put WM in the hands of a decent development house you could come up with a very nice looking device
http://www.sonyericsson.com/x1/default.aspx?cc=gb&lc=en
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*drools* i can't wait for this to be released

I think windows mobile is gonna be around for a while yet until something else more stable & reliable comes along. Going by the phone in link above, WM is here to stay for quite some time!!

kaalgoosy said:
just returned my iphone, its like a pretty blonde; hot on the outside but nothing on the inside. i think wm is pretty much dead though; android will usher in a new era. i think we should just dismiss the last gen roms and look forward. Its obvious from apple releasing sdks for their tight ass phone that android has a little more than something up their sleeve; cant wait to see what htc devices deliver
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You can jailbreak an iphone and install a ton of useful apps today already...
I'm waiting for the next iphone with 3G and hopefully built in GPS.

Blonde jailbait?

The xperia is the sickest device I've seen in sometime

C Brown said:
The xperia is the sickest device I've seen in sometime
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ROFL, hey Charlie, the "sickest" device?

penguin20000 said:
*drools* i can't wait for this to be released
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Looks Great, probably going to be $399 at least. The film (Commercial) is pretty stupid, doesn't show any features of the phone, just a bunch of paper airplanes.
Anyone know a release date on this baby?

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The xperia is the sickest device I've seen in sometime
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See its specification, if the price is as rumors around 700$ the Xperia X1 will be a killer of all other WM devices. I wonder why HTC doesn´t have any revolution model up coming. I prefer the high resolution display and small smart design.

Like to see this one when it comes out.
details look good.
http://www.elite-electronix.com/smartphones-213/meizu-255/meizu-m8-minione-16gb-unlocked-1379.html

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Blonde jailbait?
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Looks Great, probably going to be $399 at least. The film (Commercial) is pretty stupid, doesn't show any features of the phone, just a bunch of paper airplanes.
Anyone know a release date on this baby?
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$399----wow, that is a low estimate. if the tytn i is still going for 400 i think the the x1 will be around 800-1000 when it first comes out.

jamal1782 said:
Like to see this one when it comes out.
details look good.
http://www.elite-electronix.com/smartphones-213/meizu-255/meizu-m8-minione-16gb-unlocked-1379.html
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Hmmm an iphone with WM on it, what a bad combination!!!! Oh and worst of all no keyboard, no use whatsoever as a business device... Nice toy if you like poking your screen with a stylus or smearing it with fingerprints...

I believe the expected release date for the xperia 1 is early 2009

I phoned the Sony Shop in the UK they said mid year.

excellent, I'm due a new phone bout then!

Windows mobile will die if microsoft doesn't quit being lazy
Windows mobile will die. Have you guys ever really thought about this operating system we're running on our hand helds. back inthe day you had desktops pushing 166mhz and running full installs of windows 95 and in some cases I've even seen 98 on that processor. And those system ran applicatiosn and did so with not much problems.
in 2008 many years in the future we have our handsets pushing 400mhz processors (hermes) and yet it lags when you chcange screen orientation. It lags to answer a phone call if your in landscape orientation.
That is utter rubbish. Microsoft got windows mobile code wrong the firstst ime it was bloated. The reason why it'll never improve exponentially is because microsoft does not like to do things over they will forever build up ontop of a bloated operating system.
We see the same thing happening in the desktop counteer part of their operating system. If android can drop a proper user interface to make users comfortable with using the device Then i see no reason why it wouldn't superceed windows mobile
hardware vendors would be more than happy if this was the case as licensing for windows mobile cost an arm and a leg.
but really think about it
166mhz ran a whole computers operating system with various application 400mhz can barely run the windows mobile operating system properly.
Thats just disgusting.

WM is already changing due to other operators including Apple, and they need to as people expect reliable, functional operating systems.
Yes I agree, microsoft are lazy, but with the introduction of android, apple etc, I think (hope) they are actually starting to sit up and take action.
If they come back with another unreliable WM then, people will start to look elsewhere and microsoft will be in trouble. Lets just hope they take note and sort it out now

iPhone OS 4.0 does (limited) multitasking - how embarrassing for Microsoft!

Well, the headline says it all.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/live-from-apples-iphone-os-4-event/
While Apple's implementation does not even come close to something like webOS, it's at least something.
Of course, with apps like AppSwipe on Android or TaskFacade on WM, we've had this forever.
But who's the only one left who doesn't have it? I think this is just embarrassing for Microsoft.
And that along with WP7's not-so-revolutionary UI, that wastes lots of space and doesn't include notifications handling like Android or webOS...
...sorry, but I hope WP7 fails miserably. That's what Microsoft deserve.
And by the way, Apple copied an Android developer!
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If I read Engadget correctly, that's not real multitasking. They provide seven (?) system services that applications can use, like Audio etc. Which is definitely better than no multitasking (and for many practical intents and purposes may be better than real multitasking), but still...

Still better than WP7, though.
And as I said, it doesn't come close to webOS or Android, or even WM.
Those are still better at multitasking.
Nevertheless, I think this is embarrassing.

EDIT: Not sure yet.

Sethos II said:
Still better than WP7, though.
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No doubt about it. In terms of overall device performance it may be better than Android or WM, actually, even though limiting for certain applications.

I think I like how Apple did it. Looks like a pretty good compromise to me.

It's not bad, actually. But Android hasn't failed on me so far, thus I still prefer the full multitasking.
OK, two more announcements that I find quite embarrassing for Microsoft:
Multiple Exchange accounts
A gaming network for iPhone gamers.
They just blew away two of the most important (and only?) advantages of WP7, PLUS they even do something that WP7 doesn't: limited multitasking.
I don't know, but... This is sad
Microsoft have had it all in their hands for ten years and now they can't come up with something even remotely competitive?
This is sad, IMO.

Actually I got a question. Does windows mobile allow multiple exchange accounts? I was surprised to see that in the Apple conference.

No, Windows Mobile does not.
Windows Phone 7 will allow it.

Yeah I just read this post. They are going all out to try to head off WP7 before it even comes out. Microsoft better get busy on getting all the drawbacks of WP7 in line.

I laughed when they announced Apple iBox Live. Maybe Microsoft should have kept that one under wraps.

This was a sweeping swipe at both Microsoft and Google.
Great! You may love or hat Apple, but this was great.
Anyway, it's still not competitive to Android. Still misses notification handling and widgets, which make Android nicer to use.
At least that makes me happy, cause my Nexus will definitely NOT be outdated in July.

I'll reserve my final judgment till they announce the new hardware specs. They still don't offer good codec support, itunes is still a crime against humanity, and I haven't seen a new way to handle notifications.

The iPhone 4.0 multitasking seems to be really similar to the implementation in WP7.

WhyBe said:
The iPhone 4.0 multitasking seems to be really similar to the implementation in WP7.
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No, it's better. In WP7, developers can't use those background services (e.g. music).

Sethos II said:
No, it's better. In WP7, developers can't use those background services (e.g. music).
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Correct you are currently the only thing 3rd party apps can do right now is push notifications. No services running in the background period.

7 limited APIs. This is the direction I expect(ed) Windows Phone to take.
Windows has the push notifications, the instant-resume apps, and music APIs that let apps plug into Zune and play music in the background... but Apple has covered the few scenarios most requested on XDA i.e. location tracking, task completion, 3rd party music, and VOIP.
Microsoft HAS to get these done or Phone 7 will be an inferior OS. Now I know iPhone started weak, watched the game, and add features after a few years, and Windows is starting new. Microsoft doesn't have the time though.. here and now, iPhone will have both data detection and copy paste while MS is catching up.
Also, Apple will make a crapton of money off iAd. Good luck Microsoft, I sort of believe in you

It's what WP7 was meant to have but didn't get in time. Third party services won't run on the iPhone either. The OS will provide services that will perform some background tasks for applications.

Sethos II said:
...sorry, but I hope WP7 fails miserably. That's what Microsoft deserve.
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I don't agree. Stepping up to "take accountability" when it's so risky to start new is something I can applaud. They're just so slowww

I really really hope this helps Microsoft wake up. They still have some time, maybe they will fix the broken things.... I hope.
P.S. hahaha "iBox Live" I love it

I won a WP7 phone!!!

Sadly, I won't get it til general availablity and I don't know which phone. Microsoft peeps are still being cagey with it. The guy wouldn't even let me take a pic of a LG WP7 device even though it's been all over the internet already. The only real new info I've gleaned is that they will support basic exchange policies like pin unlock and remote wipe. Still going to try and fenagle some more info out of them.

WTH? Congratulations!!

cool can i have it?

Congrats!.........

Depending on what they say, I might just get a HD2. The WP7 device is supposed to be general availability and they might make devices available before then and I'm not willing to wait.

niceeee
thats lucky and awesome!

Remember to colaborate with XDA and help WP7 become more awesome .

Windows 7 phone is dead before the official release

cgigate said:
Windows 7 phone is dead before the official release
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After having seen it in person, the whole OS is rather impressive. While it may not on paper be the #1 phone OS, it is rather good and will put up a good fight. Oh and they've only shown off around 70% of the OS's features. More positive info will come to light as we near launch.

RustyGrom said:
After having seen it in person, the whole OS is rather impressive.
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Did your opinion change for the better? I may be wrong, but I recall you were pretty negative about it.
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Oh and they've only shown off around 70% of the OS's features.
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Do you know this from seeing the features or is it what you think will happen?

vangrieg said:
Did your opinion change for the better? I may be wrong, but I recall you were pretty negative about it.
Do you know this from seeing the features or is it what you think will happen?
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I think I've always been relatively positive about the new OS. While some of the new restrictions are annoyingly restrictive, I don't think it'll be a problem for us. In one of the sessions today they showed off how devs will be able to unlock phones and it was just a desktop app that talks to the store. I can easily see this app being modified to just not talk to the store but I'm betting there will need to be more done than this. So while I still wish MS would open up the dev platform more, I somewhat respect the decisions they've made and I don't think it will be hard for the rest of us to have phones we can do as we wish with.
It was stated earlier in the week by one of the members of the WP7 team that only 70-80% of the OS had been shown off up to this point. However, after going hands on with a device for a while today, I didn't find much that we haven't seen yet. The whole thing is fluid and is super intuitive. It really is a joy to use. So I'm not sure how much is left to unveil but it seems rather useable today. But none of the WP7 guys that I talked to are using it full time yet so that's kind of telling.

nice... congrats... HD2 is still better looking then any of the WP7 phones we've seen... the only one that beats it is the prototype images of HD3 made in photoshop lol... dell lightening comes close, but hw keyboard kills it as well... just get the HD2, then u'll have to option of running 6.5 or android (90% possible so far) and prolly even wp7 when it comes out since it conforms to all specs ...

Pics or it didn't happen!

Jeeze. Necro thread!
I ended up deciding to wait for a WP7 device. The HD2 they had was a european model and couldn't do 3G here. A smartphone without 3G is useless. So I wait til October like everyone else. But at least it will be free.
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nice... congrats... HD2 is still better looking then any of the WP7 phones we've seen... the only one that beats it is the prototype images of HD3 made in photoshop lol... dell lightening comes close, but hw keyboard kills it as well... just get the HD2, then u'll have to option of running 6.5 or android (90% possible so far) and prolly even wp7 when it comes out since it conforms to all specs ...
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Not all the specs, AFAIK the chipsets in the HD2 do not conform to all the hardware specs that Microsoft has made for Windows Phone 7 compatibility. Things like the hardware image scaler for example are not present in the HD2, nor is support for hardware acceleration of the VC-1 codec.

Nokia's Windows Phone 7 concept revealed!

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Look what we've found! This is the first image you'll see anywhere of the early fruit of Microsoft and Nokia's budding new partnership. We have it on good authority that the technicolor phones on show are conceptual devices produced by the two companies. You shouldn't, therefore, go jumping to conclusions about retail hardware just yet, but hearts should be warmed by the familiarity of Nokia's new design -- the shape of these handsets is somewhere between its recent N8 and C7 Symbian devices and there is, as usual for Nokia, a choice of sprightly colors. The trio of keys adorning the new concept's bottom give away its Windows Phone 7 ties, but also remind us that the N8 and E7 are highly unlikely to receive any WP7 upgrade love. The best part about this whole discovery, however, might be that it confirms Steve Ballmer's assertion that the engineers of both companies have "spent a lot of time on this already."
Source: Endgadget - http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/11/exclusive-nokias-windows-phone-7-concept-revealed/
Damn this is exciting, isnt it...m sure things r about to go into top gear for WP7 n microsoft/nokia...while apple wil probably just end up whining about everything...wat say? as for these "microkia's", they r beautiful...i kno i want one...n i want one now!!! m sure most of u do.

They look awesome!
I hope they make something like these, I can see myself with the b;ack one and the wife with one of the pretty coloured ones!!!

exactly my thoughts...the black one looks quite 'orgasmic'...

How wrong I am, wife prefers the black one!

the black one rocks.... but mostly because the damned tiles aren't showing... anyone else notice this?

Just fu***** beautiful,i want the Black version

Saw these on engadget this morning, badass looking phones

I hope they bring back the old "Fascia" things they had on the 3310s etc and have multiple back covers available for you to buy in different colours and designs.

I want the black one but with black tiles!!!

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I want the black one but with black tiles!!!
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Black background and white tiles !!

Gorgeous. Lets hope they will produce them as we see them.

The problem is how long will it take Microkia to make it to market. They will be in trouble if they cannot make it before this holiday.

Gotta say... I think I see the phones of the future...

black one looking gr8....

Now I like this quite a bit, but it kinda looks like my Focus...

That was my thought. This looks almost like a Samsung Focus. At least the front of top are very close. The rear is tapered which I do like a little more.
Hopefully, we'll be seeing even more designs from Nokia (hardware keyboard hint, hint).

Hey guys, guess what, the concepts hav just been officialy shown at MWC by nokia...they r real, n possibly coming this year itself...
Nokia hints we'll see first Windows Phone 7 device this year!!!
Nokia may still sticking to the official line that it will begin shipping Windows Phone 7 devices in "significant volume" in 2012, but it just dropped a big hint at its Mobile World Congress press conference that we could be seeing the first device even sooner -- like this year. That word came from Nokia's Jo Harlow, who said that her boss would be "much happier" if the timing of the initial launch was in 2011. As you can see above, Nokia's also kindly confirmed that leaked Windows Phone 7 concept that we just got our hands on Friday, and it's shed yet more light on the behind the scenes intrigue that led up to the switch to Windows Phone 7. According to Stephen Elop, the "final decision" to go with Windows Phone "just happened on Thursday night of last week." Elop then later then expanded -- in response to a question audience about whether he was a trojan horse -- that the "entire management team" was involved in the process, and that "of course the board of directors of Nokia are the only ones that can make this significant of a decision about Nokia," which they made on Thursday night.
Source: http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/13/nokia-hints-well-see-first-windows-phone-7-device-this-year/

I read this article in the main Windows Phone 7 section and I have to say it is exciting news.
Not only are Nokia providing their expert knowledge in hardware which will only make WP7 better to use but they will also be combining Ovi Stores with Windows Market Place. This means the famous Ovi Maps with voice guidance and the ability to download maps to SD card for offline useage will be available as well as other applications which were bought out on Symbian.
Nokia has also divided the company now into two businesses. One for mobile phone development and the other for smart phones such as WP7, Symbian and Meego. Some people are saying this is because Nokia fear a takeover from Microsoft but it certainly looks like Nokia are taking no chances.

Nokia to show off a “new market disrupting device” on June 21st

Saw this being discussed on another forum and thought people here might be interested in this.
http://mobilesyrup.com/2011/06/15/nokia-to-show-off-a-new-market-disrupting-device-on-june-21st/
You couple this upcoming announcement with the below tweet
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http://www.wpcentral.com/nokia-blow-our-socks-off
I sure hope we see a big Nokia WP7 reveal next Tuesday.

I ready to have my socks blown off! We need some fast, powerful, beautiful phones for WP7. I'm sick of seeing nice hardware with a crappy OS. See Android.
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Looking forward to next Tuesday. Unless they really drop the ball, Nokia will be my next Windows Phone this Christmas .

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\We need some fast, powerful, beautiful phones for WP7.
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I'm not too concerned about powerful - but I do want it to use the new hardware, as it will be more battery efficient.

I just hope they dont do something stupid and reveal a meego device which I think there is a chance of them doing as Stephen Elop has said they will only announce a handset when its close to launch, and June seems to be a way off from Mango's Fall release.

An N8 quality phone with WP7 Mango running on it would blow my socks off. Or the concept phone with all the different colours would too.
Anything else less would merely them down, not blow them off.

I'm skeptical because "market disrupting" is what they have always called their non-Windows Phone research efforts. I have my doubts that we will see a Windows Phone on Tuesday, but we'll see.

I hope it isn't a smartphone priced $0 on contract . . . because it's not like we haven't see enough of those.

If its the size of the hd7 but with a good screen, I'm in.

I'm sure it wont be CDMA.....because Verizon sucks.

sure haven't said:
If its the size of the hd7 but with a good screen, I'm in.
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just need a "candy bar" like HD7 with good screen , i am too... even i am having HD7 right now.

What I worry about is....
1)is it a meego handset?
2)the price of nokia wp7 handset.They have been losing market share for years,and they seldom or never adopt a Qualcomm or TI processor in their own handset....what they are using is processor from broadcom....
Therefore,do they got enough negoatiating power or bargaining power to get a lower price of processor from Qualcomm(bulk purchasing??who knows?this depends on how nokia judge the potential of wp7) and this same goes to the other parts as well...
Lets wait for next week and see the real show...

Market disruptive :
$99 no contract WP7 device
New meego device that is also cost effective.
Only things that could be market disruptive from Nokia.

what is needed big time i mean HUGEly big time with these wp7 devices is a memory card slot that users can swap around freely without cracking the damn device open.
give me a +1 someone
ps. i love the the htc hd7 so much i have 2..... just coz

vetvito said:
Market disruptive :
$99 no contract WP7 device
New meego device that is also cost effective.
Only things that could be market disruptive from Nokia.
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while a $100 phone would be neat, it wouldn't be disruptive. make it an IPHONE for $100, without a contract and yea, you'd have a hard time selling -anything- else. apple could do it, take a loss on the initial unit and make it up on all the payments from att/verizon/tmo that have to be made in order for them to get an iphone to offer.
oh wait... that almost sounds possible. hmm
an android or wp7 phone for a hundred clams would just be another phone. blah.

I hope Nokia does come through with something spec heavy, just to convince these other manufactures to get the ball rolling.
Sent from my Samsung Focus

I hope we see a metal crafted/high quality phone as their first device. They can bring out low end devices later.

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I hope we see a metal crafted/high quality phone as their first device. They can bring out low end devices later.
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+1 on that

efjay said:
I just hope they dont do something stupid and reveal a meego device which I think there is a chance of them doing as Stephen Elop has said they will only announce a handset when its close to launch, and June seems to be a way off from Mango's Fall release.
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You may be exactly right efjay
Annoucement

nicksti said:
You may be exactly right efjay
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Great. What a stupid move, making a fuss over 1 device after saying WP7 is going to be their main smartphone OS. Why dangle this in front of people at all and distract them from their eventual WP7 devices? Guess Elop was all talk....