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I think wm is dead, let's get android! or is it just me

just returned my iphone, its like a pretty blonde; hot on the outside but nothing on the inside. i think wm is pretty much dead though; android will usher in a new era. i think we should just dismiss the last gen roms and look forward. Its obvious from apple releasing sdks for their tight ass phone that android has a little more than something up their sleeve; cant wait to see what htc devices deliver

Yep, it's just you.

I beg to differ, if you put WM in the hands of a decent development house you could come up with a very nice looking device
http://www.sonyericsson.com/x1/default.aspx?cc=gb&lc=en

tonyb15re said:
I beg to differ, if you put WM in the hands of a decent development house you could come up with a very nice looking device
http://www.sonyericsson.com/x1/default.aspx?cc=gb&lc=en
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*drools* i can't wait for this to be released

I think windows mobile is gonna be around for a while yet until something else more stable & reliable comes along. Going by the phone in link above, WM is here to stay for quite some time!!

kaalgoosy said:
just returned my iphone, its like a pretty blonde; hot on the outside but nothing on the inside. i think wm is pretty much dead though; android will usher in a new era. i think we should just dismiss the last gen roms and look forward. Its obvious from apple releasing sdks for their tight ass phone that android has a little more than something up their sleeve; cant wait to see what htc devices deliver
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You can jailbreak an iphone and install a ton of useful apps today already...
I'm waiting for the next iphone with 3G and hopefully built in GPS.

Blonde jailbait?

The xperia is the sickest device I've seen in sometime

C Brown said:
The xperia is the sickest device I've seen in sometime
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ROFL, hey Charlie, the "sickest" device?

penguin20000 said:
*drools* i can't wait for this to be released
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Looks Great, probably going to be $399 at least. The film (Commercial) is pretty stupid, doesn't show any features of the phone, just a bunch of paper airplanes.
Anyone know a release date on this baby?

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The xperia is the sickest device I've seen in sometime
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See its specification, if the price is as rumors around 700$ the Xperia X1 will be a killer of all other WM devices. I wonder why HTC doesn´t have any revolution model up coming. I prefer the high resolution display and small smart design.

Like to see this one when it comes out.
details look good.
http://www.elite-electronix.com/smartphones-213/meizu-255/meizu-m8-minione-16gb-unlocked-1379.html

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Blonde jailbait?
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sacwoo said:
Looks Great, probably going to be $399 at least. The film (Commercial) is pretty stupid, doesn't show any features of the phone, just a bunch of paper airplanes.
Anyone know a release date on this baby?
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$399----wow, that is a low estimate. if the tytn i is still going for 400 i think the the x1 will be around 800-1000 when it first comes out.

jamal1782 said:
Like to see this one when it comes out.
details look good.
http://www.elite-electronix.com/smartphones-213/meizu-255/meizu-m8-minione-16gb-unlocked-1379.html
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Hmmm an iphone with WM on it, what a bad combination!!!! Oh and worst of all no keyboard, no use whatsoever as a business device... Nice toy if you like poking your screen with a stylus or smearing it with fingerprints...

I believe the expected release date for the xperia 1 is early 2009

I phoned the Sony Shop in the UK they said mid year.

excellent, I'm due a new phone bout then!

Windows mobile will die if microsoft doesn't quit being lazy
Windows mobile will die. Have you guys ever really thought about this operating system we're running on our hand helds. back inthe day you had desktops pushing 166mhz and running full installs of windows 95 and in some cases I've even seen 98 on that processor. And those system ran applicatiosn and did so with not much problems.
in 2008 many years in the future we have our handsets pushing 400mhz processors (hermes) and yet it lags when you chcange screen orientation. It lags to answer a phone call if your in landscape orientation.
That is utter rubbish. Microsoft got windows mobile code wrong the firstst ime it was bloated. The reason why it'll never improve exponentially is because microsoft does not like to do things over they will forever build up ontop of a bloated operating system.
We see the same thing happening in the desktop counteer part of their operating system. If android can drop a proper user interface to make users comfortable with using the device Then i see no reason why it wouldn't superceed windows mobile
hardware vendors would be more than happy if this was the case as licensing for windows mobile cost an arm and a leg.
but really think about it
166mhz ran a whole computers operating system with various application 400mhz can barely run the windows mobile operating system properly.
Thats just disgusting.

WM is already changing due to other operators including Apple, and they need to as people expect reliable, functional operating systems.
Yes I agree, microsoft are lazy, but with the introduction of android, apple etc, I think (hope) they are actually starting to sit up and take action.
If they come back with another unreliable WM then, people will start to look elsewhere and microsoft will be in trouble. Lets just hope they take note and sort it out now

WP7S on HD2 according to WinMo.ml

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Source : http://www.winmo.nl/windows-phone-7-series-draait-op-de-htc-hd2/
According to this site:
- Multilanguage
- Ultra fast for an early build (I quote : "So fast that it looks like on WM 6.5 the Snapdragon only ran at half its power")
- TomTom is bundled with that ROM
- No SMS problem (They are referring to the SMS issues on WM 6.5 on most Leo ROMs)
- Zune part of the phone is not working on this ROM (error reports, etc.)
For the time being, no source/link to a ROM is provided, I'll keep you posted. But it doesn't seem like a fake to me.
Regards.

Translated by google
http://translate.google.com/transla...7-...op-de-htc-hd2/&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_NLNL332

Hm....
Looks fake to me somehow. Like someone made a pic fullscreen.
Edit: thanks for translation link - this made me laughing :
daan123:
16 februari 2010 14:06 om 14:06 February 16, 2010 14:06 to 14:06
WTF WAAR VIND IK DIE ROM?!?!?!?! WTF WHERE IS THAT ?!?!?!?! ROM

This is fake Nice try btw.

How is this fake? Any proof?

May be it's not fake, let's see at chinese forums

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This is fake Nice try btw.
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That's what I figured as well at first sight... But then I saw that every tiles is translated in Dutch, as well as having a Dutch operator... I guess time will tell.
I apologize beforehand if this turns out to be fake, I thought I'd share it to everyone here.

it seems real to me i guess. i believe that the rom might not b working cause the os is not even half ready right now. its just that MS had to show something so they made a simple mockup jus to fill the presentation yest. lets see how thingsgo now and how much they grow this concept of windows phone 7 series..

If this is not fake, leaked Windows Phone 7 roms will be soon over the internet

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I apologize beforehand if this turns out to be fake, I thought I'd share it to everyone here.
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No need for apology. You found a good and interesting site...

I think the good news there though, is that 'applications' still live on (TomTom) so the whole multi-tasking issue could be a non-issue as long as stuff still work in the background.
And at the end of the day it is running on top of CE6, so multitasking should be there, even if it's tried to be hidden away.

the background image ... dunno ... oddd
easy to fake and just display as an image

Some guy on a dutch site tests devices for htc. He hangs around, also on xda, as "xmoo". He stated dat htc is running WP7 on a hd2 somewhere in taiwan.
So it is definetely possible to run it on a hd2, I think soon there will be roms available with WP7 here on xda.

There's no reason to doubt that an early build has been made to run on the HD2. If there's any existing commercially available device that could be used as a test bed that that's it. Unless everyone working on WP7S gets prototype hardware to use, it makes sense to test it on the HD2.
Of course, that's a long way from assuming that the final version will be released for the HD2. (But then again, that's what this site is for. )

Call me crazy but maybe they'll announce a beta rom available for the HD2 at MIX or maybe later this year at TechEd? Similar to how Google had an unlocked G1 for devs and Apple allows devs to have beta builds of the iPhone OS?
MS knows that apps/hubs are going to be key for them so they'll be keen on getting it out to as many people as possible as early as possible. It's hard to write software, particularly 3D based software, solely in an emulator.

this is fake.
the show is in spain but the image says he is connected to T Mobile NL (dutch network).
everyone knows when u go to another country u use there networks not your home network.

It looks fake. The font on there is definitely not Segoe, which is used all over the Zune HD's and WP7's UI. Also, I don't think there's a background on the start screen, no?

Soaa- said:
It looks fake. The font on there is definitely not Segoe, which is used all over the Zune HD's and WP7's UI. Also, I don't think there's a background on the start screen, no?
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They've never shown a background before but I would be sorta surprised if it didn't support having a background.
Looks like the same font to me...

This picture definitely isn't taken on the MWC. It must have been made in the Netherlands as you can see that it is connected to a dutch network. This would either indicate that developers do indeed get early builds to start development of software, or it is fake.
Now it would seem reasonable to release the software on a currently existing device which is capable of running WP7. This would be the HD2. This way developers can start creating and running software on the platform.
Fake or not, it is only a matter of time before developers should receive a build to tinker around with. We all know how important Apps are for the platform to work. I was however expecting them to receive those in a month.

WinMo.nl says that it's an early build of WP7, so that could explain the differences.
And the differences makes it even more possible to be real!
Anyway I'd love it to be real.

Engadget will have a live demo of a WP7S device on Feb 27th!

Hey guys, this is just in..
http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/the-engadget-show-returns-this-saturday-feb-27th-now-with-l/
They will be streaming the action live on stage.

Dump the ROM please

Anyone know what time in UK?
Hope they will go through more deeply in the UI, settings, configurations ...

5 pm New York would be 10 pm in the UK, I think.

thats in 2 days!
cant wait

I wouldn't hold my breath, that's going to be more of the same stuff. The OS isn't ready, has no dialer and other important parts; they won't be able to clarify whether third-party apps will be able to work in background as there are no third-party apps for WP7. If they see lags in the interface that won't mean anything. If they don't it won't mean anything either.

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I wouldn't hold my breath, that's going to be more of the same stuff. The OS isn't ready, has no dialer and other important parts; they won't be able to clarify whether third-party apps will be able to work in background as there are no third-party apps for WP7. If they see lags in the interface that won't mean anything. If they don't it won't mean anything either.
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There is a dialer. Just not done.
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And who's to say that the build shown at MWC wasn't an old build? They kept insisting that it was an "early" build. Most people probably just assumed that "early" was still "recent". But what if by "early" they meant "from a few months ago"? If nothing else it was somewhat old because that was their latest "stable" build while their devs certainly have unstable builds being worked on still. No way they risk a huge event like that with untested software. And they don't want to show their whole hand so far out. They just wanted to get the base UI and principles out there to get the hype started. We'll prolly se a more feature complete build at MIX. Maybe even a full emulator
It's not like Engadget is going to be borrowing the device with no MS person around. I wouldn't be surprised if a MS person was the only one using the device like at MWC. Don't expect Engadget to find anything out by playing with it. If there is any new info learned, it will be from a MS person telling them the info while showing off the OS. Not impossible but not likely either.

Engadget's latest teaser for the event sheds some more light...
Microsoft will also be on hand to demo Windows Phone 7 Series and the company's own Aaron Woodman will be sharing stories about the major changes Redmond has made to the Windows mobile OS.
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http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/the-engadget-show-tapes-tomorrow-snow-or-shine-plus-livestr/
so yea, doesn't sound like the engadget folks will be getting any actual hands-on time with it. For now you either have to work for Microsoft or be the 6yr old child of a Microsoft employee.

They are demonstrating an LG prototype (see: WP7 release phone) on this show live now:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/27/the-engadget-show-live-with-avner-ronen-wp7s-demo-and-more/

So, since I missed it, was there anything interesting on the show?

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So, since I missed it, was there anything interesting on the show?
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No, engadget earning a lot of money on transmitting a WP7S ad.

vangrieg said:
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No not much at all.
The guy at MS was very vague (except for the "hint" that we should attend Mix2010) and didn't reveal any new information.
The biggest thing was the first WP7 phone, the LG whatever. It had a keyboard, but they neglected to try out WP7 in landscape.
They said not to rule out Linux and Mac support for WP7. It is currently not supported, but is an "internal debate".
Also noted is that the IE is an early build, and I wouldn't be surprised if the whole OS is still an early build.
Supposedly MS has been talking with Adobe for awhile and Flash would be an important thing to have in the browser (something of that sort) and MS wants their browser to be competitive, yada yada.

WP7s on HD2 - Is it possible?

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So I'm wondering what the concensus is. Are we going to see this or not?
The official word is obviously that there will be no upgrade for the HD2, but people seem to have hope in the community here. I'm not much of a dev/hacker to know for sure, so I'm wondering what you guys think...
The issues I'm hearing are:
Hardware buttons
GPU
On-board storage
Upscalling
The hardware buttons are obviously a non-issue. And from what MS is saying, despite not being able to swap out memory cards, SD storage can be used by OEMs to supplement on-board storage. But I dont know about the GPU and upscaling. Are these built in to the HD2 already? Is the upscaling a hardware or software issue? Are these things a deal breaker??

This would be most excellent if so,I just picked up a HD2 last night and even though I am back to edge speed ( which is not a real issue for me,lots of wifi around.) I LOVE THIS PHONE !!!
Man this thing is making me giggle like a school girl.....

I don't see anyone NOT putting it on there, especially when it hits America (If it hasn't already that is)
HOWEVER, i highly doubt you will want to use it. THey are going the iphone route. NO more File explorer and open source and multi tasking. All the things that made WinMO popular are apparently disappearing.
Disappoints me really. I jumped on the Android train. My first PDA was a dell X50

Bababooey said:
This would be most excellent if so,I just picked up a HD2 last night and even though I am back to edge speed ( which is not a real issue for me,lots of wifi around.) I LOVE THIS PHONE !!!
Man this thing is making me giggle like a school girl.....
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just wondering, why didn't you wait till the 24th to get the one from T-Mobile so you'd have 3g?

pgiuoco said:
just wondering, why didn't you wait till the 24th to get the one from T-Mobile so you'd have 3g?
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that's what im doing, 4 more days! cannot wait to get my hands on this beast!

All because of $$ !!
M$ want more developer to developes more app and game for WP7S, in order to do that, u need to convince developer that they can make $$ for the app. Currently it is to easy to get craXXk app for WinMo.
M$ learnt the good idea for iPhone by locked down the system so u can only purchase from App Store. By doing these, M$ will stand good chances to complete will iPhone (Gen 4) in the future.
My only wish is : Hopefully M$ don't be hash on XDA, cos i believe XDA will make something interesting from WP7S for HD2 ... i believe.

Althought I'm glad others are showing interest, I was hoping to make this a technical discussion around the facts of whether it can or cannot happen. And maybe at this point the answer is "we dont know." But hopefully we'll get more answers in time...

I think the question is not whether or not the HD2 will receive the upgrade to 7. Officially or unofficially, I think its just a matter of time. May not be as soon as youd like, but I't will get there. Its more a question of how relevant the HD2 will be be the time win7 is made available to it. Also, will there be able to be some kind of dual boot option available. The way 7 is shaping up, I'm not too enthused about only having 7. I would use 7 for gaming, social use, and winMo 6.5 when I'm looking to get my hands dirty.

Is it a Tomtom icon we can see? is the old version or is tomtom already developpe a new one in Sylverlight?

AFAIK that image is simply a skin over the top of WM6.5 rather than WM7s, so it is a current tomtom app

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AFAIK that image is simply a skin over the top of WM6.5 rather than WM7s, so it is a current tomtom app
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No, that image was published on winmo.nl during the Barcelona unveiling of WP7, long before any WP7 skins were created.
Right now it looks like it was either fake (just an HD2 showing a WP7 picture on its screen) or an early development version of the OS, not destined to ever be released on the HD2.
Winmo.nl claimed the TomTom app worked fine on WP7, possibly because 'tomtom was already preparing their software for WP7'.

saints5354 said:
M$ learnt the good idea for iPhone by locked down the system so u can only purchase from App Store. By doing these, M$ will stand good chances to complete will iPhone (Gen 4) in the future.
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It'll probably be iPhone 5g before WP7 will be any threat. iPhone 4g is probably coming out in June/July, a few months before WP7 is even out.

Though the HD2 is a fantastic device and loved by anyone (incl myself) who lays their hands on it, you can't help but feel somewhat bitter that a device of such magnitude is just going to be ANOTHER HTC phone almost solely kept alive by xda-developers.
You can see MS's reasoning. You can love the sheer beauty of the HD2. But Jesus - think of the potential going to waste and how it comes across to consumers who hear 'hey, your device is outdated already'. Consumers that haven't even got the device available in their country yet.
One word - Flash. THAT'S reason enough to be at least a little pissed off as an HD2 user.
A joke, it is - but in XDA I trust.

unfortunately, HD2 doen't support WM 7, WM7 only support 3 solid buttons, no more, no less....
HD2 has 5 solid buttons, so...give up to upgrade to WM 7

If the HD2 has a WP7 test build running on it somewhere at HTC and it gets leaked the HD2 should easily get an unofficial upgrade but if that doesn't happen it won't be easy.

bestfan said:
unfortunately, HD2 doen't support WM 7, WM7 only support 3 solid buttons, no more, no less....
HD2 has 5 solid buttons, so...give up to upgrade to WM 7
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You're clearly new to this part of town...

camera hardware button is also a requirement...

an interesting key i found on my T-Mobile HD2 HKCU\ControlPanel\Keybd\WM7KeybdLayout.

Very strange indeed

I'm pretty sure hardware keys would be irrellivant to getting this on the phone.
My understanding of the key requirements are based upon the chassis version been used with WP7. I think these are basically stipulated purely for the user experience Microsoft are trying to give and not software limitations.

Nokia to show off a “new market disrupting device” on June 21st

Saw this being discussed on another forum and thought people here might be interested in this.
http://mobilesyrup.com/2011/06/15/nokia-to-show-off-a-new-market-disrupting-device-on-june-21st/
You couple this upcoming announcement with the below tweet
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http://www.wpcentral.com/nokia-blow-our-socks-off
I sure hope we see a big Nokia WP7 reveal next Tuesday.

I ready to have my socks blown off! We need some fast, powerful, beautiful phones for WP7. I'm sick of seeing nice hardware with a crappy OS. See Android.
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Looking forward to next Tuesday. Unless they really drop the ball, Nokia will be my next Windows Phone this Christmas .

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\We need some fast, powerful, beautiful phones for WP7.
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I'm not too concerned about powerful - but I do want it to use the new hardware, as it will be more battery efficient.

I just hope they dont do something stupid and reveal a meego device which I think there is a chance of them doing as Stephen Elop has said they will only announce a handset when its close to launch, and June seems to be a way off from Mango's Fall release.

An N8 quality phone with WP7 Mango running on it would blow my socks off. Or the concept phone with all the different colours would too.
Anything else less would merely them down, not blow them off.

I'm skeptical because "market disrupting" is what they have always called their non-Windows Phone research efforts. I have my doubts that we will see a Windows Phone on Tuesday, but we'll see.

I hope it isn't a smartphone priced $0 on contract . . . because it's not like we haven't see enough of those.

If its the size of the hd7 but with a good screen, I'm in.

I'm sure it wont be CDMA.....because Verizon sucks.

sure haven't said:
If its the size of the hd7 but with a good screen, I'm in.
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just need a "candy bar" like HD7 with good screen , i am too... even i am having HD7 right now.

What I worry about is....
1)is it a meego handset?
2)the price of nokia wp7 handset.They have been losing market share for years,and they seldom or never adopt a Qualcomm or TI processor in their own handset....what they are using is processor from broadcom....
Therefore,do they got enough negoatiating power or bargaining power to get a lower price of processor from Qualcomm(bulk purchasing??who knows?this depends on how nokia judge the potential of wp7) and this same goes to the other parts as well...
Lets wait for next week and see the real show...

Market disruptive :
$99 no contract WP7 device
New meego device that is also cost effective.
Only things that could be market disruptive from Nokia.

what is needed big time i mean HUGEly big time with these wp7 devices is a memory card slot that users can swap around freely without cracking the damn device open.
give me a +1 someone
ps. i love the the htc hd7 so much i have 2..... just coz

vetvito said:
Market disruptive :
$99 no contract WP7 device
New meego device that is also cost effective.
Only things that could be market disruptive from Nokia.
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while a $100 phone would be neat, it wouldn't be disruptive. make it an IPHONE for $100, without a contract and yea, you'd have a hard time selling -anything- else. apple could do it, take a loss on the initial unit and make it up on all the payments from att/verizon/tmo that have to be made in order for them to get an iphone to offer.
oh wait... that almost sounds possible. hmm
an android or wp7 phone for a hundred clams would just be another phone. blah.

I hope Nokia does come through with something spec heavy, just to convince these other manufactures to get the ball rolling.
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I hope we see a metal crafted/high quality phone as their first device. They can bring out low end devices later.

tiny17 said:
I hope we see a metal crafted/high quality phone as their first device. They can bring out low end devices later.
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+1 on that

efjay said:
I just hope they dont do something stupid and reveal a meego device which I think there is a chance of them doing as Stephen Elop has said they will only announce a handset when its close to launch, and June seems to be a way off from Mango's Fall release.
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You may be exactly right efjay
Annoucement

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You may be exactly right efjay
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Great. What a stupid move, making a fuss over 1 device after saying WP7 is going to be their main smartphone OS. Why dangle this in front of people at all and distract them from their eventual WP7 devices? Guess Elop was all talk....