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WP7s on HD2 - Is it possible?

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So I'm wondering what the concensus is. Are we going to see this or not?
The official word is obviously that there will be no upgrade for the HD2, but people seem to have hope in the community here. I'm not much of a dev/hacker to know for sure, so I'm wondering what you guys think...
The issues I'm hearing are:
Hardware buttons
GPU
On-board storage
Upscalling
The hardware buttons are obviously a non-issue. And from what MS is saying, despite not being able to swap out memory cards, SD storage can be used by OEMs to supplement on-board storage. But I dont know about the GPU and upscaling. Are these built in to the HD2 already? Is the upscaling a hardware or software issue? Are these things a deal breaker??

This would be most excellent if so,I just picked up a HD2 last night and even though I am back to edge speed ( which is not a real issue for me,lots of wifi around.) I LOVE THIS PHONE !!!
Man this thing is making me giggle like a school girl.....

I don't see anyone NOT putting it on there, especially when it hits America (If it hasn't already that is)
HOWEVER, i highly doubt you will want to use it. THey are going the iphone route. NO more File explorer and open source and multi tasking. All the things that made WinMO popular are apparently disappearing.
Disappoints me really. I jumped on the Android train. My first PDA was a dell X50

Bababooey said:
This would be most excellent if so,I just picked up a HD2 last night and even though I am back to edge speed ( which is not a real issue for me,lots of wifi around.) I LOVE THIS PHONE !!!
Man this thing is making me giggle like a school girl.....
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just wondering, why didn't you wait till the 24th to get the one from T-Mobile so you'd have 3g?

pgiuoco said:
just wondering, why didn't you wait till the 24th to get the one from T-Mobile so you'd have 3g?
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that's what im doing, 4 more days! cannot wait to get my hands on this beast!

All because of $$ !!
M$ want more developer to developes more app and game for WP7S, in order to do that, u need to convince developer that they can make $$ for the app. Currently it is to easy to get craXXk app for WinMo.
M$ learnt the good idea for iPhone by locked down the system so u can only purchase from App Store. By doing these, M$ will stand good chances to complete will iPhone (Gen 4) in the future.
My only wish is : Hopefully M$ don't be hash on XDA, cos i believe XDA will make something interesting from WP7S for HD2 ... i believe.

Althought I'm glad others are showing interest, I was hoping to make this a technical discussion around the facts of whether it can or cannot happen. And maybe at this point the answer is "we dont know." But hopefully we'll get more answers in time...

I think the question is not whether or not the HD2 will receive the upgrade to 7. Officially or unofficially, I think its just a matter of time. May not be as soon as youd like, but I't will get there. Its more a question of how relevant the HD2 will be be the time win7 is made available to it. Also, will there be able to be some kind of dual boot option available. The way 7 is shaping up, I'm not too enthused about only having 7. I would use 7 for gaming, social use, and winMo 6.5 when I'm looking to get my hands dirty.

Is it a Tomtom icon we can see? is the old version or is tomtom already developpe a new one in Sylverlight?

AFAIK that image is simply a skin over the top of WM6.5 rather than WM7s, so it is a current tomtom app

chansthename said:
AFAIK that image is simply a skin over the top of WM6.5 rather than WM7s, so it is a current tomtom app
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No, that image was published on winmo.nl during the Barcelona unveiling of WP7, long before any WP7 skins were created.
Right now it looks like it was either fake (just an HD2 showing a WP7 picture on its screen) or an early development version of the OS, not destined to ever be released on the HD2.
Winmo.nl claimed the TomTom app worked fine on WP7, possibly because 'tomtom was already preparing their software for WP7'.

saints5354 said:
M$ learnt the good idea for iPhone by locked down the system so u can only purchase from App Store. By doing these, M$ will stand good chances to complete will iPhone (Gen 4) in the future.
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It'll probably be iPhone 5g before WP7 will be any threat. iPhone 4g is probably coming out in June/July, a few months before WP7 is even out.

Though the HD2 is a fantastic device and loved by anyone (incl myself) who lays their hands on it, you can't help but feel somewhat bitter that a device of such magnitude is just going to be ANOTHER HTC phone almost solely kept alive by xda-developers.
You can see MS's reasoning. You can love the sheer beauty of the HD2. But Jesus - think of the potential going to waste and how it comes across to consumers who hear 'hey, your device is outdated already'. Consumers that haven't even got the device available in their country yet.
One word - Flash. THAT'S reason enough to be at least a little pissed off as an HD2 user.
A joke, it is - but in XDA I trust.

unfortunately, HD2 doen't support WM 7, WM7 only support 3 solid buttons, no more, no less....
HD2 has 5 solid buttons, so...give up to upgrade to WM 7

If the HD2 has a WP7 test build running on it somewhere at HTC and it gets leaked the HD2 should easily get an unofficial upgrade but if that doesn't happen it won't be easy.

bestfan said:
unfortunately, HD2 doen't support WM 7, WM7 only support 3 solid buttons, no more, no less....
HD2 has 5 solid buttons, so...give up to upgrade to WM 7
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You're clearly new to this part of town...

camera hardware button is also a requirement...

an interesting key i found on my T-Mobile HD2 HKCU\ControlPanel\Keybd\WM7KeybdLayout.

Very strange indeed

I'm pretty sure hardware keys would be irrellivant to getting this on the phone.
My understanding of the key requirements are based upon the chassis version been used with WP7. I think these are basically stipulated purely for the user experience Microsoft are trying to give and not software limitations.

Nokia's Windows Phone 7 concept revealed!

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Look what we've found! This is the first image you'll see anywhere of the early fruit of Microsoft and Nokia's budding new partnership. We have it on good authority that the technicolor phones on show are conceptual devices produced by the two companies. You shouldn't, therefore, go jumping to conclusions about retail hardware just yet, but hearts should be warmed by the familiarity of Nokia's new design -- the shape of these handsets is somewhere between its recent N8 and C7 Symbian devices and there is, as usual for Nokia, a choice of sprightly colors. The trio of keys adorning the new concept's bottom give away its Windows Phone 7 ties, but also remind us that the N8 and E7 are highly unlikely to receive any WP7 upgrade love. The best part about this whole discovery, however, might be that it confirms Steve Ballmer's assertion that the engineers of both companies have "spent a lot of time on this already."
Source: Endgadget - http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/11/exclusive-nokias-windows-phone-7-concept-revealed/
Damn this is exciting, isnt it...m sure things r about to go into top gear for WP7 n microsoft/nokia...while apple wil probably just end up whining about everything...wat say? as for these "microkia's", they r beautiful...i kno i want one...n i want one now!!! m sure most of u do.

They look awesome!
I hope they make something like these, I can see myself with the b;ack one and the wife with one of the pretty coloured ones!!!

exactly my thoughts...the black one looks quite 'orgasmic'...

How wrong I am, wife prefers the black one!

the black one rocks.... but mostly because the damned tiles aren't showing... anyone else notice this?

Just fu***** beautiful,i want the Black version

Saw these on engadget this morning, badass looking phones

I hope they bring back the old "Fascia" things they had on the 3310s etc and have multiple back covers available for you to buy in different colours and designs.

I want the black one but with black tiles!!!

adesonic said:
I want the black one but with black tiles!!!
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Black background and white tiles !!

Gorgeous. Lets hope they will produce them as we see them.

The problem is how long will it take Microkia to make it to market. They will be in trouble if they cannot make it before this holiday.

Gotta say... I think I see the phones of the future...

black one looking gr8....

Now I like this quite a bit, but it kinda looks like my Focus...

That was my thought. This looks almost like a Samsung Focus. At least the front of top are very close. The rear is tapered which I do like a little more.
Hopefully, we'll be seeing even more designs from Nokia (hardware keyboard hint, hint).

Hey guys, guess what, the concepts hav just been officialy shown at MWC by nokia...they r real, n possibly coming this year itself...
Nokia hints we'll see first Windows Phone 7 device this year!!!
Nokia may still sticking to the official line that it will begin shipping Windows Phone 7 devices in "significant volume" in 2012, but it just dropped a big hint at its Mobile World Congress press conference that we could be seeing the first device even sooner -- like this year. That word came from Nokia's Jo Harlow, who said that her boss would be "much happier" if the timing of the initial launch was in 2011. As you can see above, Nokia's also kindly confirmed that leaked Windows Phone 7 concept that we just got our hands on Friday, and it's shed yet more light on the behind the scenes intrigue that led up to the switch to Windows Phone 7. According to Stephen Elop, the "final decision" to go with Windows Phone "just happened on Thursday night of last week." Elop then later then expanded -- in response to a question audience about whether he was a trojan horse -- that the "entire management team" was involved in the process, and that "of course the board of directors of Nokia are the only ones that can make this significant of a decision about Nokia," which they made on Thursday night.
Source: http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/13/nokia-hints-well-see-first-windows-phone-7-device-this-year/

I read this article in the main Windows Phone 7 section and I have to say it is exciting news.
Not only are Nokia providing their expert knowledge in hardware which will only make WP7 better to use but they will also be combining Ovi Stores with Windows Market Place. This means the famous Ovi Maps with voice guidance and the ability to download maps to SD card for offline useage will be available as well as other applications which were bought out on Symbian.
Nokia has also divided the company now into two businesses. One for mobile phone development and the other for smart phones such as WP7, Symbian and Meego. Some people are saying this is because Nokia fear a takeover from Microsoft but it certainly looks like Nokia are taking no chances.

Turn-by-Turn directions, Voice to text, Bing Audio/Vision all coming to WP7 Mango

No Sure if anyone follows wpcentral.. but still wanted to share this..
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We kept emphasizing at MIX11 that the information revealed there was geared for developers, not so much consumers and that we expected more details to come forward over time. Combined with the fact that Mango/WP7.5 is not yet finished nor finalized, it's feature-set is still in motion but becoming more solid as we get closer to it going 'Gold'.
On the Windows Phone Developer Podcast, a plethora of new features were announced that will really bring Windows Phone up to par with the competition:
Bing Audio: Think Shazam, but built into Bing and we bet of course Zune Marketplace. Country support is initially limited to the U.S., Great Britain, France, Italy, Spain and Germany.
Bing Vision: A full blown image scanner using your camera. It can detect, identify and search using barcodes, Microsoft Tags, QR Codes, CD’s, DVDs, Books, and text using OCR (see here for history)
Turn-by-turn navigation: “voice guidance during driving directions” (we heard about this awhile ago)
SMS Dictation: Using Microsoft's TellMe service, you can use voice-to-text for SMS messages by tapping a microphone near the bottom
According to Paul Thurrott, who detailed the above, there's a lot more to the podcast, so take a listen. And your thoughts in comments: does this change things?
Source:
http://www.wpcentral.com/turn-by-turn-directions-voice-text-bing-audio-vision-all-coming-wp7-mango

abhinayp said:
No Sure if anyone follows wpcentral.. but still wanted to share this..
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We kept emphasizing at MIX11 that the information revealed there was geared for developers, not so much consumers and that we expected more details to come forward over time. Combined with the fact that Mango/WP7.5 is not yet finished nor finalized, it's feature-set is still in motion but becoming more solid as we get closer to it going 'Gold'.
On the Windows Phone Developer Podcast, a plethora of new features were announced that will really bring Windows Phone up to par with the competition:
Bing Audio: Think Shazam, but built into Bing and we bet of course Zune Marketplace. Country support is initially limited to the U.S., Great Britain, France, Italy, Spain and Germany.
Bing Vision: A full blown image scanner using your camera. It can detect, identify and search using barcodes, Microsoft Tags, QR Codes, CD’s, DVDs, Books, and text using OCR (see here for history)
Turn-by-turn navigation: “voice guidance during driving directions” (we heard about this awhile ago)
SMS Dictation: Using Microsoft's TellMe service, you can use voice-to-text for SMS messages by tapping a microphone near the bottom
According to Paul Thurrott, who detailed the above, there's a lot more to the podcast, so take a listen. And your thoughts in comments: does this change things?
Source:
http://www.wpcentral.com/turn-by-turn-directions-voice-text-bing-audio-vision-all-coming-wp7-mango
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This will push WP7 over the top. It will ensure a dominant system once the tides change. The more MS can do for WP7, the better. I always preferred the Bing nav in WinMo 6.5 and if this TbT for WP7 will be Bing, outstanding.
Eventually Apple and Android will be playing catch-up to WP7. That's how good a system MS has with WP7.

this has also been featured in WMPoweruser.com
new mango features
it is also stated in the article that it is for the meantime a rumor since since ms hasnt divulged nor confirmed any of it.
hope this is sure to come in the mango update.

Now if this is true, this - in combination with all the other goodies Mango's gonna come up with - will bring WP7 at least on par with iOS. And Android, if you leave Android's openness aside. I'm looking forward to it, and I hope Mango will really be released before the end of the year.

There isn't any "if" here afaik - this is coming

FiyaFleye said:
There isn't any "if" here afaik - this is coming
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I hope so. But as long as Microsoft hasn't confirmed any of these features, I'll consider them rumours.

Will there be multi-tasking too?

brysonwong said:
Will there be multi-tasking too?
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That has already been shown on the MIX11 event. So yes, it will.

moonshines said:
this has also been featured in WMPoweruser.com
new mango features
it is also stated in the article that it is for the meantime a rumor since since ms hasnt divulged nor confirmed any of it.
hope this is sure to come in the mango update.
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Not too keen on WMPowerUser, it comes across as less professional than WP Central.

It's an enthusiast site. Professionalism doesn't really come into it. I welcome anyone who spreads WP7 news.

So when the Mango developers tools come out * rumored for end of may right?* is it just to test softwares in the emulator or can you load it onto your phone? if so will all these features plus the ones talked about on mix 11 be readily available? anyone know?

hamzie said:
So when the Mango developers tools come out * rumored for end of may right?* is it just to test softwares in the emulator or can you load it onto your phone? if so will all these features plus the ones talked about on mix 11 be readily available? anyone know?
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According to winphonesupport there is nothing official that a pre mango release will be rolled out to developer unlocked devices. So I think the tools will only be usable with the emulator.

MartyLK said:
This will push WP7 over the top. It will ensure a dominant system once the tides change. The more MS can do for WP7, the better. I always preferred the Bing nav in WinMo 6.5 and if this TbT for WP7 will be Bing, outstanding.
Eventually Apple and Android will be playing catch-up to WP7. That's how good a system MS has with WP7.
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that last bit.... mark your calendars for may 2012, when android and ios take notice.... or sometime out there.

dkp1977 said:
According to winphonesupport there is nothing official that a pre mango release will be rolled out to developer unlocked devices. So I think the tools will only be usable with the emulator.
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Ah alright. Thanks
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http://www.liveside.net/2011/05/09/...s-revealed-messenger-in-people-hub-confirmed/ talks about integration of messenger

HERE is another update regarding the new features that are rumored to be in mango...
excerpt from the wmpoweruser additonal mango features article:
part from the older revealed features, here are the new ones.
East Asian Language Keyboard, Handwriting and Dictionary Support
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More tight Skydrive Integration in Office hub. Document types will be differentiated by colors.
Messenger Support in People Hub: You will be able to chat with your contacts right within the people hub through Windows Live Messenger.
if these rumors are true, then i guess (my opinion only) WP7 is the OS to beat.

hamzie said:
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well going on what was said at mix and a few other sites have reported it that developers will get a mango image to install on their test devices..

The tiles in Office Hub for documents need to go. What the hell is wrong wiht a list with icons. This wastes too much space. But other than that it looks like it'c coming around well, too bad it's so far off still...
Microsoft needs to grow their user base now. GSII already has 3Mil+ Pre-orders...

nothing matters if the update comes in too late--if ever, for early adopters. and for the most part, the shout-out features of mango are still playing catch up with other OS's.
don't get too excited until your phone's updating.

This is why I chose WP7! The fall can't be any slower.

weatherx said:
nothing matters if the update comes in too late--if ever, for early adopters. and for the most part, the shout-out features of mango are still playing catch up with other OS's.
don't get too excited until your phone's updating.
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Agree. I think people tend to forget what we'll have had to use for a year before Mango even touches our phones.

Nokia to show off a “new market disrupting device” on June 21st

Saw this being discussed on another forum and thought people here might be interested in this.
http://mobilesyrup.com/2011/06/15/nokia-to-show-off-a-new-market-disrupting-device-on-june-21st/
You couple this upcoming announcement with the below tweet
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http://www.wpcentral.com/nokia-blow-our-socks-off
I sure hope we see a big Nokia WP7 reveal next Tuesday.

I ready to have my socks blown off! We need some fast, powerful, beautiful phones for WP7. I'm sick of seeing nice hardware with a crappy OS. See Android.
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Looking forward to next Tuesday. Unless they really drop the ball, Nokia will be my next Windows Phone this Christmas .

pittphan said:
\We need some fast, powerful, beautiful phones for WP7.
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I'm not too concerned about powerful - but I do want it to use the new hardware, as it will be more battery efficient.

I just hope they dont do something stupid and reveal a meego device which I think there is a chance of them doing as Stephen Elop has said they will only announce a handset when its close to launch, and June seems to be a way off from Mango's Fall release.

An N8 quality phone with WP7 Mango running on it would blow my socks off. Or the concept phone with all the different colours would too.
Anything else less would merely them down, not blow them off.

I'm skeptical because "market disrupting" is what they have always called their non-Windows Phone research efforts. I have my doubts that we will see a Windows Phone on Tuesday, but we'll see.

I hope it isn't a smartphone priced $0 on contract . . . because it's not like we haven't see enough of those.

If its the size of the hd7 but with a good screen, I'm in.

I'm sure it wont be CDMA.....because Verizon sucks.

sure haven't said:
If its the size of the hd7 but with a good screen, I'm in.
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just need a "candy bar" like HD7 with good screen , i am too... even i am having HD7 right now.

What I worry about is....
1)is it a meego handset?
2)the price of nokia wp7 handset.They have been losing market share for years,and they seldom or never adopt a Qualcomm or TI processor in their own handset....what they are using is processor from broadcom....
Therefore,do they got enough negoatiating power or bargaining power to get a lower price of processor from Qualcomm(bulk purchasing??who knows?this depends on how nokia judge the potential of wp7) and this same goes to the other parts as well...
Lets wait for next week and see the real show...

Market disruptive :
$99 no contract WP7 device
New meego device that is also cost effective.
Only things that could be market disruptive from Nokia.

what is needed big time i mean HUGEly big time with these wp7 devices is a memory card slot that users can swap around freely without cracking the damn device open.
give me a +1 someone
ps. i love the the htc hd7 so much i have 2..... just coz

vetvito said:
Market disruptive :
$99 no contract WP7 device
New meego device that is also cost effective.
Only things that could be market disruptive from Nokia.
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while a $100 phone would be neat, it wouldn't be disruptive. make it an IPHONE for $100, without a contract and yea, you'd have a hard time selling -anything- else. apple could do it, take a loss on the initial unit and make it up on all the payments from att/verizon/tmo that have to be made in order for them to get an iphone to offer.
oh wait... that almost sounds possible. hmm
an android or wp7 phone for a hundred clams would just be another phone. blah.

I hope Nokia does come through with something spec heavy, just to convince these other manufactures to get the ball rolling.
Sent from my Samsung Focus

I hope we see a metal crafted/high quality phone as their first device. They can bring out low end devices later.

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I hope we see a metal crafted/high quality phone as their first device. They can bring out low end devices later.
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+1 on that

efjay said:
I just hope they dont do something stupid and reveal a meego device which I think there is a chance of them doing as Stephen Elop has said they will only announce a handset when its close to launch, and June seems to be a way off from Mango's Fall release.
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You may be exactly right efjay
Annoucement

nicksti said:
You may be exactly right efjay
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Great. What a stupid move, making a fuss over 1 device after saying WP7 is going to be their main smartphone OS. Why dangle this in front of people at all and distract them from their eventual WP7 devices? Guess Elop was all talk....

An update on Windows Phone 7.8

Hi all,
for your information, today Microsoft brought some news for the Windows Phone 7.8 Update:
Posted on: Nov 28, 2012 by Terry Myerson
It’s been an exciting month since we officially launched Windows Phone 8. Devices are in stores, reviews are out, and ads are appearing on TV. Feedback so far has been great, and we’re really enjoying seeing how much our customers love the new Start screen. It’s especially fun to see people posting screenshots of their Start screens all over Facebook, Twitter, and sites like http://mytil.es and http://whatsonyourstartscreen.com. As you’ll quickly notice, each is as unique as its owner; the new Start screen is one of the easiest ways to make the phone reflect your style, your passions, and your personality.
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Reviewers agree:
“It’s not a stretch to say that Windows Phone 8 has the best home screen — the perfect combination of flexibility, design, and simplicity — of any major platform right now.” –The Verge
“Someone who glanced over my shoulder and looked at the user interface of Windows Phone 8 said, ‘That's a really pretty phone.’ He was right.” –Wall Street Journal
“The live tiles and the distinctive user interface remain Microsoft's biggest selling points for Windows Phone.” –Associated Press
But it’s not just Windows Phone 8 users that get to enjoy the new Start screen. As previously announced, with Windows Phone 7.8 we’re also bringing the feature to existing Windows Phone 7.5 devices. During the development process, I used builds of 7.8 on my Lumia 900 and it felt like a completely new phone: resizable Live Tiles totally change the way I do things, providing faster access to more of my favorite people, photos, and apps.
Windows Phone 7.8 also includes some other cool stuff. It doubles the number of theme and accent colors—to 20—so you can make your phone even more personal. There are also new lock screen features: the option to automatically display the Bing Picture of the Day plus the ‘A1B2C3’ PIN/password challenge to prevent accidental device wipes on phones connected to Exchange accounts.
And there are new apps coming for Windows Phone 7.5 and 7.8 customers. The hugely popular Words with Friends and Draw Something are already available, while Angry Birds Space and Angry Birds Star Wars are on the way.
New models running Windows Phone 7.8 are beginning to launch in many countries around the world, strengthening the ecosystem by bringing more Windows Phones to more people. These devices will typically be sold at a range of lower price points, meaning there will now be Windows Phones for everyone’s budget and need. This is incredibly important for broadening the reach of Windows Phone across the globe and ensuring we have the right product for every market.
Speaking of broader reach, Windows Phone 7.8 also expands the number of markets where customers can buy apps and use the Xbox service. Testing of this rollout is ongoing, but we’ve already managed to increase our global service coverage by over 30%, to 95 countries—a number that should continue to rise.
We know you’re eager to get the Windows Phone 7.8 update, and we want you to know that we’re working closely with our hardware and carrier partners to get it tested, approved, and rolled out to as many devices as possible in early 2013. As we work to quickly get this in the hands of our loyal users, we’re also striving to deliver a high-quality release and ensure a smooth transition for our widely expanded services.
Thank you for your support of Windows Phone.
-Terry
Corporate Vice President, Windows Phone
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http://blogs.windows.com/windows_ph...012/11/28/an-update-on-windows-phone-7-8.aspx

So, now they aren't sure that every current WP 7.x phone will get an update? I'm not upset that it's comming in early 2013. Now I think my Omnia 7 won't get it at all.
I'm going to flash a custom rom.

I think it depends on OEM and carrier for those who did not get international versions.
Anyway, this is great news. More features is exactly what I hoped for.

you can always push the update manually using wpupdate, it's very simple to do it also.