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Random laptop question :-)

I know this is very random and probably doesn't belong any where around these parts but since I own an evo what the hell. Well I own a windows vista machine its not the most powerful one out there but it served its purpose over the past few years. I'm Im downloading the sdk and I'm looking to get into writting apps for android and taking java/c+ dev classes to help me on my feet. I currently know a great deal about designing i.e photoshop, dreamweaver/css, html and a **** hair about flash/air. I want to make android games as my ultimate goal. So my question to you guys is, what kind of laptops are you devs or general users owning out there? My budget is is 1000 and I'm sure some mac fan boys will say apple but they are way to overpriced it seems as I never owned one so maybe I don't know what the hype is about. I do all my business from a very powerful windows 7 desktop. Like I said I'm just looking for some laptop recommendations from my fellow xda members under 1000 as I plan to kick start my app career with my evo. Thankx
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Laptops are practically disposable. I'd say get the best you can for $500 and get a new one in two years with the other $500.

Apple laptops are not overpriced at all if you compare SIMILAR specs... Now i won't comment on the mac pro...
I compared it to a similar size and speced lenovo and there prices were the same..
Programing really isn't that intense... what else do you plan to do on it?
If your desktop will be your main... no need to spend a lot of money on a laptop.

aimbdd said:
Apple laptops are not overpriced at all if you compare SIMILAR specs... Now i won't comment on the mac pro...
I compared it to a similar size and speced lenovo and there prices were the same..
Programing really isn't that intense... what else do you plan to do on it?
If your desktop will be your main... no need to spend a lot of money on a laptop.
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Well I plan to do alot of this on the go as I'm attending college for these course so I need my laptop to be pretty darn strong. As I will be using most of the ish on my desktop(entire adobe suite cs5, maybe a game or 2 but mainly for designing and programming but on the laptop. Adobe products are pretty demanding when it comes to graphics and a good processors. I looked at the MacBook pro and its pretty beast I must say but is it really worth the 1400 just for the 13"? I saw some way stronger laptops with i7 processors alot cheaper. Now my laptop will be my main computer because I wont be packing my desktop around campus lol.
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My $0.02 is that you keep an eye on Tigerdirect.com or just join their mailing list. They CONSTANTLY have great laptop deals. I highly recommend them.

hah yeah... i have the 15". There customer service is the best.( Look at the surveys ) But the biggest advantage of the mac is the weight, and battery life. (i love my 8 hours of web browsing while in class )
I use mine for photography mostly, and some gaming. If you were to buy a macbook por i would wait a month or two... they should be uping that line soon (the 13 inch should be more in line with what others offer)

aimbdd said:
hah yeah... i have the 15". There customer service is the best.( Look at the surveys ) But the biggest advantage of the mac is the weight, and battery life. (i love my 8 hours of web browsing while in class )
I use mine for photography mostly, and some gaming. If you were to buy a macbook por i would wait a month or two... they should be uping that line soon (the 13 inch should be more in line with what others offer)
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Wow that sounds great, I looked ay apple.com and 15" starts at like 1800 lol crazy. I hear alot of great things about them so I guess I could wait another month then ill have enough to pull the trigger on the 15" if I wanted too. They seem to run adobe suite and most adobe products with no prob based on reviews i read. Thanks for the info guys ill keep looking around.
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You could get a pretty powerful Asus with an i7 for that much. I would steer clear of Tiger Direct because most of their stuff is refurbs. They do have some nice deals on lappy's though. Check out Newegg too. They are very good customer service wise and if anything goes wrong during your purchase they are quick to fix it. You are going to get a much better deal online than in your big box stores like Best Buy.

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I would steer clear of Tiger Direct because most of their stuff is refurbs.
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I've purchased from TigerDirect and never gotten a refurb. they DO have a refurb section, but all the machines i bought were brand new.

Im gonna have to vote for ASUS also. They have a good range to fit performance or battery life or both. Got an Asus UL50V about 8 months ago, and it gets great battery life (which is what i was going for, about 8-12 hours). It also has a dual video card setup where i can switch on the fly between an integrated card for battery life, or a nvidia for better performance. On top of that, they gave me 1 year free accidental damage coverage.
But, if you are only going to be using it for programming then remember that it's basically word processing until you get to compiling. So unless you are developing massive projects, you won't need anything over the top.
Well, thats my opinion

elegantai said:
Im gonna have to vote for ASUS also. They have a good range to fit performance or battery life or both. Got an Asus UL50V about 8 months ago, and it gets great battery life (which is what i was going for, about 8-12 hours). It also has a dual video card setup where i can switch on the fly between an integrated card for battery life, or a nvidia for better performance. On top of that, they gave me 1 year free accidental damage coverage.
But, if you are only going to be using it for programming then remember that it's basically word processing until you get to compiling. So unless you are developing massive projects, you won't need anything over the top.
Well, thats my opinion
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I've heard great things about asus for sure, but not just programming I need one that can run adobe suite master collection I.e photoshop ,dreamweaver, after effects, etc the list goes on lol. Kind of my desktop replacement. Thanks for your recommendation.
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dirkyd3rk said:
Wow that sounds great, I looked ay apple.com and 15" starts at like 1800 lol crazy. I hear alot of great things about them so I guess I could wait another month then ill have enough to pull the trigger on the 15" if I wanted too. They seem to run adobe suite and most adobe products with no prob based on reviews i read. Thanks for the info guys ill keep looking around.
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Cough flash cough

I have an 15.6" Acer from Wal-Mart that is a great laptop (even has Blu-Ray) for $500.
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Acer-AS5551-4200/14575795

dirkyd3rk said:
I've heard great things about asus for sure, but not just programming I need one that can run adobe suite master collection I.e photoshop ,dreamweaver, after effects, etc the list goes on lol. Kind of my desktop replacement. Thanks for your recommendation.
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I'm not a guru with adobe products but I do have photoshop cs5 on mine and it runs good. I just use it for basic graphic creation and editing.

i would say you can get alot more computer for your money if you went pc. i own a macbook from 2007 and i have not had a single complaint about it other than the fact that it was pricey. also you can always install windows on a mac and it runs windows pretty damn good. oh and one other thing haven't had any malware or virus problems.

drtdiver83 said:
i would say you can get alot more computer for your money if you went pc. i own a macbook from 2007 and i have not had a single complaint about it other than the fact that it was pricey. also you can always install windows on a mac and it runs windows pretty damn good. oh and one other thing haven't had any malware or virus problems.
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You're probably right man, my biggest concern is a laptop with a dedicated graphics card at least 512mb preferably 1gb. Most these PC's I see have on the fly dedicated graphics so you can lower it and save battery if you don't need all the performance and switch on onboard graphics.
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[Q] Dalvik Cache

Clockwork Mod Recovery still can't, and never has been able to clear the Dalvik cache. Why are some ROM developers still telling me to do this? I came from the Evo where Amon-Ra recovery could actually do this, but Clockwork can't/doesn't. And before you comment about going into Advanced settings in Clockwork, I know the option is there...

Did you bring your proof?
Maybe wipe it in recovry then reboot recovery, pull dalvik file via adb and look inside...
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cordell12 said:
Did you bring your proof?
Maybe wipe it in recovry then reboot recovery, pull dalvik file via adb and look inside...
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Agreed, just saying that it doesnt clear dalvik without proof doesn't make it true statement friend...

In Amon-Ra with my Evo, it took 10-15 seconds to clear Dalvik. In CMR with the E4GT, it's instant, which is the same as it was with CMR on the EVO. Also I read when I was still with the EVO that CMR didn't clear Dalvik, only Amon-Ra would..

mauricehall said:
Agreed, just saying that it doesnt clear dalvik without proof doesn't make it true statement friend...
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Thanks, but I don't use Windows anymore, and I'm not about to dual boot on my Macbook. Honestly, people out there still use Microsoft?

TwinsFan said:
Thanks, but I don't use Windows anymore, and I'm not about to dual boot on my Macbook. Honestly, people out there still use Microsoft?
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If you had a iphone to match you wouldnt have to worry about a dalvik cache

Pretty sure windows is still the most used OS in the world...
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SayWhat10 said:
real funny, but obviously uneducated about how widespread microsoft is
its only on more than 85% of ALL desktop/notebook computers,so clearly people still use it
unless in your apple fanboy world you think 5% mac os > 85% windows[/QUOTE
I know that people still buy Microsoft sh*t, and then they buy the antivirus, and then the antispam, you name it. Windows 98 sucked, Vista (oh my god), Windows 7 = horrible, and windows 8 coming up = nothing compared to OSx. It's like comparing an iOS to Android. You will NEVER win...
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TwinsFan said:
SayWhat10 said:
real funny, but obviously uneducated about how widespread microsoft is
its only on more than 85% of ALL desktop/notebook computers,so clearly people still use it
unless in your apple fanboy world you think 5% mac os > 85% windows[/QUOTE
I know that people still buy Microsoft sh*t, and then they buy the antivirus, and then the antispam, you name it. Windows 98 sucked, Vista (oh my god), Windows 7 = horrible, and windows 8 coming up = nothing compared to OSx. It's like comparing an iOS to Android. You will NEVER win...
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Funny how you Microsoft fanboys know nothing about computers. I know that Windows is still the preferred OS. Yet you would dare to test my knowledge in computers? Funny sh*t. Did I mention I have a doctorate in Computer Science. Do any of you have that? I didn't think so...
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TwinsFan said:
Funny how you Microsoft fanboys know nothing about computers. I know that Windows is still the preferred OS. Yet you would dare to test my knowledge in computers? Funny sh*t. Did I mention I have a doctorate in Computer Science. Do any of you have that? I didn't think so...
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well if you knew computers, you wouldnt have said "do people still use microsoft" If you knew microsoft heavly dominates the computer OS market,why would you say that?
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TwinsFan said:
Thanks, but I don't use Windows anymore, and I'm not about to dual boot on my Macbook. Honestly, people out there still use Microsoft?
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I think what he means is that Windows days are limited and Android/iOS is or will be the dominant factor. And I agree that microsoft is cr*ap.
3 PC's all had to be restored (reinstalled windows) within 1-2 years and my 1 iMac is still running like a champ since 2009...
Phone Powered by: Android
Desktop/Laptop Powered by: Mac
Console Powered by: PS3
Productivity Powered by: Google
Microsoft is more obsolete to me, may the best tech win

Alex1x said:
I think what he means is that Windows days are limited and Android/iOS is or will be the dominant factor.
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now i agree with the second part as long as there is a slash, but i think he even meant that when comparing ios to android that ios wins in a landslide, which is garbage (lets not even begin to talk about how apples copies things from other os years later and THEN market it as if its a new invention/idea/technique,like the pull down notifications)
but what you mean windows days are limited? you talking about windows pc? windows is on more than 85% of computers, with apple at the bottom of the barrel, so how can that be that windows days are numbered?
if you talking about windows mobile, then yeah, although i'd choose windows 7 mobile over apple ios as well

How did this dumbass thread turn into microsoft vs apple?
If you think it doesn't clear dalvik, and then test it... The have adb for osx, otherwise you are just talking ****..
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SayWhat10 said:
but what you mean windows days are limited? you talking about windows pc? windows is on more than 85% of computers, with apple at the bottom of the barrel, so how can that be that windows days are numbered?
if you talking about windows mobile, then yeah, although i'd choose windows 7 mobile over apple ios as well
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I'm talking about microsoft windows pc/desktop/laptops:
With quadcore phones releasing next year, heavy applications making their way onto our phones, why buy a desktop? Just buy a wireless mouse/keyboard and hdmi cable, connect to your 100inch HDTV and get your work done, unplug and carry your "computer" in your pocket... By limited days I mean the future won't be stuck on a desk somewhere rather in your pocket dominated by Android and iOS... Yeah? No?

You cant compare a smartphone CPU to a desktop CPU by cores or clockspeed. ARM chips use a completely different architecture and intstruction set than Intel/AMD cpus. If you tried to benchmark a kal-el chip against a similarly clocked Intel chip you will see massive differences. We are years from smartphones being comparable in power to todays desktops.

LordFan21 said:
You cant compare a smartphone CPU to a desktop CPU by cores or clockspeed. ARM chips use a completely different architecture and intstruction set than Intel/AMD cpus. If you tried to benchmark a kal-el chip against a similarly clocked Intel chip you will see massive differences. We are years from smartphones being comparable in power to todays desktops.
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I'm not getting into a debate, only expressing my opinion. I'll tell you from personal experience of myself and friends... Since iOS and Android, our use of desktop computing has been reduced by 80%... Tech power houses are after your pocket in your pocket...
Say you do buy another pc between 1-2 years from now, what do you plan to use it for (except for producing the next Matrix movie)?

Guys, he's just trolling you. No one could possibly be as dumb as TwinsFan.. Lol
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Pheno.menon said:
Guys, he's just trolling you. No one could possibly be as dumb as TwinsFan.. Lol
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Lol agreed. I have a doctorate degree as well. Lol.
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Alex1x said:
I'm not getting into a debate, only expressing my opinion. I'll tell you from personal experience of myself and friends... Since iOS and Android, our use of desktop computing has been reduced by 80%... Tech power houses are after your pocket in your pocket...
Say you do buy another pc between 1-2 years from now, what do you plan to use it for (except for producing the next Matrix movie)?
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right now the avg smartphone is about 4inches or so,with no keyboard
thats no where near being able to replace a full sized monitor with full size keyboard nor the matching power
what you saying could happen, but its like light years away
with phones u dont really compute, u just run lil apps
desktops run real programs and use real power
people are not finding the cure for cancer and aids via an iPhone

Apollo?????

http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/apollo-update-not-coming-to-current-windows-phones
Not looking too promising eh?

I don't think so. First of all, it's too early to say something. Second, if MS will do it, they will completely lost mobile market.

I agree, They aren't doing exactly great at the moment and it would surely destroy them? Time will tell of course but it's interesting all the speculation that goes round before something like this, I hope we do get Apollo or even a lesser version of it, Look at Desktop OS, You have basic through to Ultimate editions although not entirely based on Hardware.

http://wmpoweruser.com/microsoft-ev...handsets-will-be-upgraded-to-windows-phone-8/

No one know what will happen to our handsets. I'd suggest that you read this article.

I know what's gonna happen to mine, It's heading for ebay and I will be returning to a Maxon MN1 lol.

AndyFZ1S said:
I know what's gonna happen to mine, It's heading for ebay and I will be returning to a Maxon MN1 lol.
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oh dear....
lololololol

Hmmm ? http://gizmodo.com/5902860/every-windows-phone-ever-will-get-the-windows-phone-8-upgrade

Budniu said:
Hmmm ? http://gizmodo.com/5902860/every-windows-phone-ever-will-get-the-windows-phone-8-upgrade
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What about this twist in the tale?
http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/windows-phone-8-beta-report-what-features-are-in-place

Stop caring, enjoy your phone's.
All I want is live game streaming, and thats a app.
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vetvito said:
Stop caring, enjoy your phone's.
All I want is live game streaming, and thats a app.
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True man, after the HTC HD 2 saga,,here might come the another one, unfortunately I was one of the victim in HD 2 case. Now,sold my Mozart,bought HTC one X...enjoy the phone...
and care-less about it...

Just enjoy what you have till the end of the year, I highly doubt Apollo is going to be rolling in full force before then. Even if it does, I'd bet even more that some form of Apollo'esque update will also be hitting then for our earlier handsets.

Slower than others
Windows phone updates and upgrades are a lot slower than expected. With the whole world going gaga over Ice cream sandwich and io5, windows better step up.

Pratzgh1 said:
Windows phone updates and upgrades are a lot slower than expected. With the whole world going gaga over Ice cream sandwich and io5, windows better step up.
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Going gaga over Ice what?
None of the old phones but one has got ICS after it's announcement nearly half a year ago. If that is going gaga, MSFT is leap years ahead of that.
iOS5 - give you that. Again they have 1 phone to upgrade. Not 5-6 different OEMs with 2-3 phones each!

drupad2drupad said:
Going gaga over Ice what?
None of the old phones but one has got ICS after it's announcement nearly half a year ago. If that is going gaga, MSFT is leap years ahead of that.
iOS5 - give you that. Again they have 1 phone to upgrade. Not 5-6 different OEMs with 2-3 phones each!
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I see what you did there....
please put your ios statement onto android...
Not only 5-6 OEMs and with 50+phone,tied with various carriers...

vetvito said:
Stop caring, enjoy your phone's.
All I want is live game streaming, and thats a app.
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Well said Vetvito,
No doubt we will all end up with the best bit of kit available at the time, personally it will hardly be the end of my world. Besides M$ have been playing this game for years and years, they know their roadmap and we along with the (slow news day) media dont ever have a clue.
There has always been speculation and a healthy amount of bull floating about regarding any update for any O/S or platform........but still i have a Windows phone........shocker huh.
Have a little faith, they havn't exactly shot you in the face yet and they arn't about to knowingly lose money/customer base now are they.
Kind Regards,
Creamy

Yeah it seems even theVerge is now getting on the Apollo updates might actually be happening road

Microsoft has a history of ****ing up successful lines , remember XP? They decided the time was right to migrate to Vista and cut off support to there "flagship" , that really worked out in there benefit considering more than half of all Windows users are still using XP , XP is 10 years old!!
Personaly I did migrate and am using 7-64 , but dumping the wp7 line for wp8 will alienate all of us who already got onboard , Im dev/interop unlocked , custom rom and if I cant get a custom rom with the update ,I will leave for Android and never look back , my Acer a500 is a year old now and it is better than anything being sold now because I can upgrade /downgrade do anything I want with it , the sky is the limit! In Microsofts world even the sky has limits!

Vintage144 said:
Microsoft has a history of ****ing up successful lines , remember XP?
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Mmm yeah. It's still the most widely used OS in the world. Not sure how it's F'd up. My parents use it all the time. No complaints.
Vintage144 said:
Personaly I did migrate and am using 7-64 , but dumping the wp7 line for wp8 will alienate all of us who already got onboard
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Mmm... If XP is any indication I will be using Windows 7 happily for years until I upgrade to whatever comes out after Windows 8. Windowss 8 is going to have zero impact on my computer use for years.
Vintage144 said:
if I cant get a custom rom with the update ,I will leave for Android and never look back
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MS doesn't care. They sell millions of phones to a bunch of people that will NEVER update them no matter what they offer. The problem is this place is one big geek circle jerk. MS and Nokia want to sell phones to teenage girls and business people. As long as the phone looks cool and covers the basic functions both groups are happy. They are not 20 something male software developers. They just want to text, email, talk, check the weather and play angry birds. The business people also want MS office and some kind of enterprise email calender solution.
They don't want to flash a custom ROM or root a device. If you want to see how the average consumer interacts with tech check out my post HERE.
Pratzgh1 said:
Windows phone updates and upgrades are a lot slower than expected. With the whole world going gaga over Ice cream sandwich and io5, windows better step up.
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The majority of people I know think "Ice Cream Sandwich" is a desert. This may come as a shock but the majority of smartphone owners to do not hang out on XDA. They do things like go to the park and get some sunlight and fresh air.

Vintage144 said:
Microsoft has a history of ****ing up successful lines , remember XP? They decided the time was right to migrate to Vista and cut off support to there "flagship" , that really worked out in there benefit considering more than half of all Windows users are still using XP , XP is 10 years old!!
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Just to be clear, they didn't cut support for xp until midway through 2010, and this wasn't to abandon xp for vista. It was after windows 7 was released. They didn't "force" people to use vista, they released something far superior to it, THEN forced you to use it, haha.
Edit: thanks for the next poster correcting this, Microsoft still supports XP and will for two more years.

Why I cannot go back to iPhone or Andriod

Set the mood....
I own 2 Windows laptops, a Windows desktop, all running W7, a Macbook Pro, running SL, but the wife stole it, 2 Xboxs, a PS3, 1st gen and 3rd gen iPad, iPhone 2g, 3g, 3gs, 4gs, and 2 Samsung Focuses... I also own a Wii but i think the SNES got turn on more often.. Just to note I have played with a few Android tablets/phones.
I don't know why i had to post this but after countless times I cannot help but tell people about Window Phone 7.
I don't talk about speed, I don't want to talk about 94579204385 new features... My main point is search...
I understand that I am not the perfect human and that people have different feelings but the first time I use search on WP7 there was no going back... 1 button to find whatever I want around me on a device I carry with me 99.9% of the time... How can you beat that?
Before that I was all Apple... for mobile. I hate the idea of having to open a specific app for a specific purpose... and I honestly have to thank WP7 for showing me this as it was the first to merge this into a common area search built into a phone, again for me.
However, I cannot lie... well I can but I am choosing not too. Currently WP7 is lacking. I would not say it is missing a lot but I want more from it and do not want it to stagnate like WM or BB.
I love WP, I love iOS, but thanks to local search WP7 will always beat iOS right now in what I think is a functional use of a cell phone.
This is my little rant. I posted this in general to hope to push people to look at the simplicity of this feature. If you don't like it feel free to respond why. I am not here to defend my OPINION... please pay attention to caps... I am here to just tell people what I think.
Just to reiterate, kind of sad I have to but whatever, I DO NOT care about Microsoft vs Apple or vs Google as I do not see them as competition 90% of the time well maybe Google vs MS or Apple but whatever haha. I am telling people about 1 feature that I, KEY POINT HERE, believe sets apart WP7 in the mobile field.
Note I did not mention Android after the start.... sorry I played with 2.3 and 4.0 and lacked interest after my few encounters. On the same note, notice I did not bad mouth anyone so please keep the flames to a minimum.

2GStyle said:
Set the mood....
I own 2 Windows laptops, a Windows desktop, all running W7, a Macbook Pro, running SL, but the wife stole it, 2 Xboxs, a PS3, 1st gen and 3rd gen iPad, iPhone 2g, 3g, 3gs, 4gs, and 2 Samsung Focuses... I also own a Wii but i think the SNES got turn on more often.. Just to note I have played with a few Android tablets/phones.
I don't know why i had to post this but after countless times I cannot help but tell people about Window Phone 7.
I don't talk about speed, I don't want to talk about 94579204385 new features... My main point is search...
I understand that I am not the perfect human and that people have different feelings but the first time I use search on WP7 there was no going back... 1 button to find whatever I want around me on a device I carry with me 99.9% of the time... How can you beat that?
Before that I was all Apple... for mobile. I hate the idea of having to open a specific app for a specific purpose... and I honestly have to thank WP7 for showing me this as it was the first to merge this into a common area search built into a phone, again for me.
However, I cannot lie... well I can but I am choosing not too. Currently WP7 is lacking. I would not say it is missing a lot but I want more from it and do not want it to stagnate like WM or BB.
I love WP, I love iOS, but thanks to local search WP7 will always beat iOS right now in what I think is a functional use of a cell phone.
This is my little rant. I posted this in general to hope to push people to look at the simplicity of this feature. If you don't like it feel free to respond why. I am not here to defend my OPINION... please pay attention to caps... I am here to just tell people what I think.
Just to reiterate, kind of sad I have to but whatever, I DO NOT care about Microsoft vs Apple or vs Google as I do not see them as competition 90% of the time well maybe Google vs MS or Apple but whatever haha. I am telling people about 1 feature that I, KEY POINT HERE, believe sets apart WP7 in the mobile field.
Note I did not mention Android after the start.... sorry I played with 2.3 and 4.0 and lacked interest after my few encounters. On the same note, notice I did not bad mouth anyone so please keep the flames to a minimum.
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Let me be one of the first to congratulate you for a lucid, well written opinion about a particular feature that attracts YOU to WP7. Notice that I capitalized "you". Now let me be one of the first to warn you about the avalanche of hate you are about to receive and that you'll probably be called a an idiot for not knowing how to do the same thing on another platform.

2GStyle said:
Set the mood....
I own 2 Windows laptops, a Windows desktop, all running W7, a Macbook Pro, running SL, but the wife stole it, 2 Xboxs, a PS3, 1st gen and 3rd gen iPad, iPhone 2g, 3g, 3gs, 4gs, and 2 Samsung Focuses... I also own a Wii but i think the SNES got turn on more often.. Just to note I have played with a few Android tablets/phones.
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Methinks you have too much disposable income! j/k
Good post!

2GStyle said:
Set the mood....
I own 2 Windows laptops, a Windows desktop, all running W7, a Macbook Pro, running SL, but the wife stole it, 2 Xboxs, a PS3, 1st gen and 3rd gen iPad, iPhone 2g, 3g, 3gs, 4gs, and 2 Samsung Focuses... I also own a Wii but i think the SNES got turn on more often.. Just to note I have played with a few Android tablets/phones.
I don't know why i had to post this but after countless times I cannot help but tell people about Window Phone 7.
I don't talk about speed, I don't want to talk about 94579204385 new features... My main point is search...
I understand that I am not the perfect human and that people have different feelings but the first time I use search on WP7 there was no going back... 1 button to find whatever I want around me on a device I carry with me 99.9% of the time... How can you beat that?
Before that I was all Apple... for mobile. I hate the idea of having to open a specific app for a specific purpose... and I honestly have to thank WP7 for showing me this as it was the first to merge this into a common area search built into a phone, again for me.
However, I cannot lie... well I can but I am choosing not too. Currently WP7 is lacking. I would not say it is missing a lot but I want more from it and do not want it to stagnate like WM or BB.
I love WP, I love iOS, but thanks to local search WP7 will always beat iOS right now in what I think is a functional use of a cell phone.
This is my little rant. I posted this in general to hope to push people to look at the simplicity of this feature. If you don't like it feel free to respond why. I am not here to defend my OPINION... please pay attention to caps... I am here to just tell people what I think.
Just to reiterate, kind of sad I have to but whatever, I DO NOT care about Microsoft vs Apple or vs Google as I do not see them as competition 90% of the time well maybe Google vs MS or Apple but whatever haha. I am telling people about 1 feature that I, KEY POINT HERE, believe sets apart WP7 in the mobile field.
Note I did not mention Android after the start.... sorry I played with 2.3 and 4.0 and lacked interest after my few encounters. On the same note, notice I did not bad mouth anyone so please keep the flames to a minimum.
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Posts like this make me think WP should do just fine out there on the market (which it WILL)...but anyway yea, I agree...good post my friend!

I don't know where u live. But you're lucky search features really works
Bing map/local servies are crap in my country

ok so i'll start ranting about the problem with WP7, yes major problem.
First one, your WiFi will get disconnected whenever your phone is in sleep/locked mode( pressing the on/off button once. You might be thinking this is a trivial problem, well, I say no. The reason being that this is annoying to those using WhatsApp or any internet apps that needs to be on all the time. You might say you could switch the lock screen time-out to 0, well I'll say it's a waste of battery.
For the second problem, the phone really has a slight problem with wifi. 3 out of 10 times when I'm trying to connect WiFi, I couldn't get it to work, and yes i mean public WiFi like Mac Donalds and etc. My friend who is using IPhone or Android, even if there is a low signal in the connection, they can connect to the internet easily. Having said that, I might have been too fussy about this.
In conclusion, I would say they should solve the first problem I mentioned and I'm a bit disappointed at Microsoft. How long has it been since wp7 first come out. If they could solve this problem in the WP8 Apollo update and provided that older WP 7 phone will be getting this update, my opinion of WP OS will change.
End of rant.

@ DJ Krush: For the second problem, the phone really has a slight problem with wifi. 3 out of 10 times when I'm trying to connect WiFi, I couldn't get it to work, and yes i mean public WiFi like Mac Donalds and etc. My friend who is using IPhone or Android, even if there is a low signal in the connection, they can connect to the internet easily. Having said that, I might have been too fussy about this.
This is obviously a problem with your handset/wi-fi signal and NOT the OS, I understand your rant but please don't assume every Windows Phone has this problem, I have never had any problems with any of my WP7 handsets in connecting to wi-fi.
If you want Wi-Fi to stay connected and are at home then plug in the mains charger and it will stay on, Admit it can be an inconvenience for some but in a world of unlimited data plans not everyone suffers as you do.

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@ DJ Krush: For the second problem, the phone really has a slight problem with wifi. 3 out of 10 times when I'm trying to connect WiFi, I couldn't get it to work, and yes i mean public WiFi like Mac Donalds and etc. My friend who is using IPhone or Android, even if there is a low signal in the connection, they can connect to the internet easily. Having said that, I might have been too fussy about this.
This is obviously a problem with your handset/wi-fi signal and NOT the OS, I understand your rant but please don't assume every Windows Phone has this problem, I have never had any problems with any of my WP7 handsets in connecting to wi-fi.
If you want Wi-Fi to stay connected and are at home then plug in the mains charger and it will stay on, Admit it can be an inconvenience for some but in a world of unlimited data plans not everyone suffers as you do.
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As I had stated earlier, I might be fussy and all I'm stating is just my opinion or problems I encountered with/or the phone.
Mind if i ask what phone you're using? I'm currently using Nokia Lumia 710.

@ DJ Krush, Fair play as we all enjoy a rant, Am using a Nokia Lumia 900 and HTC Titan2, One is for work, On the Lumia 900 my wifi stays on whilst screen is locked, I have the 8773 Tango ROM which came pre-installed, Am not 100% sure if this is meant to happen but I only noticed it couple of days ago, Lets hope it is a function of the new update for all.

DJ Krush said:
First one, your WiFi will get disconnected whenever your phone is in sleep/locked mode( pressing the on/off button once. You might be thinking this is a trivial problem, well, I say no. The reason being that this is annoying to those using WhatsApp or any internet apps that needs to be on all the time.
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Yes for the millionth time we are aware. Every thread the wifi disconnect when sleep mafia sends a representative. This is a niche concern and Windows Phone is a young OS. It took iOS several iterations before it had a WiFi constantly on feature. Make a request to MSFT and they may include it soon.
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For the second problem, the phone really has a slight problem with wifi. 3 out of 10 times when I'm trying to connect WiFi, I couldn't get it to work, and yes i mean public WiFi like Mac Donalds and etc.
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My wifi connects flawlessly every time on public AND secure networks. Sounds like a handset problem my friend. Windows Phone does wifi just fine for the rest of us.
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If you want Wi-Fi to stay connected and are at home then plug in the mains charger and it will stay on, Admit it can be an inconvenience for some but in a world of unlimited data plans not everyone suffers as you do.
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Yeah I don't think MSFT is trying to make inroads into the cheapskate market. I think they are leaving that for the low end Andriod phones.

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Yeah I don't think MSFT is trying to make inroads into the cheapskate market. I think they are leaving that for the low end Andriod phones.
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Yeah, i think that microsoft isnt trying to get into any market, high end is reserved for iPhone, SGS3, HOX, and its already well known that MS is charity organisation that gives away their products. Just look at Nokia they are living of entry level symbian smartphones (because WP isnt selling enough to replace once market dominant symbian) and cheap S40 dumbphones.
LOL, biggest WP manufacturer is very interested in low end
http://www.wpcentral.com/elop-nokia-making-cheaper-windows-phones-compete-android-agressively

Mac & Android

So android and mac don't play well together. Apple doesn't allow mtp to work on mac and google have not updated their android file transfer app in ages and it's extremely buggy. What apps and methods you guys use to make your life easier? I have been using an app called handshaker, it's a decent app but still not as simple and solid as plugging your phone on windows.

Install windows using boot camp. Problem solved. Best of both worlds then.
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I dont want to install windows as i have a macbook air with 128 gb ssd and dont want to waste 30 gigs on windows since i dont really need windows at all.
the main problem is neither apple nor google is concerned with this matter which kind of sucks. i know there's probably a very less number of people using androids and macs together but i'd still love to see some solid solution.

Yea! I've been living with this problem too! Handshaker is nice. But transfer speeds are damn slow.

Well after 20 years of using Macintosh and about 5 of using android, the only way to get things working properly to install windows. Either using boot camp or parallel desktop emulator. Those are the only two fool proof solutions sadly, like it or not.
I agree, android transfer is completely crap for Mac. Having to disconnect and reconnect all the time in order to get one out of three times it works.
It used to work fine on Sony Z1 using 5.1 but marshmallow seems to be the issue to me.
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Well after 20 years of using Macintosh and about 5 of using android, the only way to get things working properly to install windows. Either using boot camp or parallel desktop emulator. Those are the only two fool proof solutions sadly, like it or not.
I agree, android transfer is completely crap for Mac. Having to disconnect and reconnect all the time in order to get one out of three times it works.
It used to work fine on Sony Z1 using 5.1 but marshmallow seems to be the issue to me.
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Yes and sadly none of the companies are showing us any love, i expect this from apple being stubborn and all but really i dont understand why google hasnt done something.
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Yes and sadly none of the companies are showing us any love, i expect this from apple being stubborn and all but really i dont understand why google hasnt done something.
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This is sad. I gave up my Mac 2 years ago after trying to get a replacement screen for a 2010 Mac book pro and they told me $400. Bought a touchscreen Dell on sale for same price, windows 10 free upgrade, better processor and RAM, SSD, etc... Apple has always made a sleek looking, good product, but their lack of support without shelling or a ton of cash is why i left their desktop/laptop products. Android is why I left their phone products. They will probably never make anything to work with an Android device unless you pay them. Strictly apples to apples (pun intended).
I do hope you find a solution, cause I was thinking about replacing my wife's I Mac with a newer one, but if I can't use it ever, I'm going to find another win 10 machine.
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I just use "File Manager" from cheetah mobile, downloaded from play store. Turn on wifi transfer, type the IP it shows you into your browser or ftp client, transfer files at 10-100x the speed of mtp.
Of course, both devices need to be on the same wifi, which isnt a problem in most cases.
Im sure some other file managers out there have the same function.

noobtoob said:
This is sad. I gave up my Mac 2 years ago after trying to get a replacement screen for a 2010 Mac book pro and they told me $400. Bought a touchscreen Dell on sale for same price, windows 10 free upgrade, better processor and RAM, SSD, etc... Apple has always made a sleek looking, good product, but their lack of support without shelling or a ton of cash is why i left their desktop/laptop products. Android is why I left their phone products. They will probably never make anything to work with an Android device unless you pay them. Strictly apples to apples (pun intended).
I do hope you find a solution, cause I was thinking about replacing my wife's I Mac with a newer one, but if I can't use it ever, I'm going to find another win 10 machine.
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yes exactly i too had a 2010 macbook pro and motherboard died. apple customer service asked to pay 36k inr ($500) usd to get the motherboard replaced. he told me apple doesnt allow them to repair motherboards and they have to replace them. i ended up getting a macbook air but even i've decided when my current mac dies i'll switch over to windows.

PsychoAssasin said:
I just use "File Manager" from cheetah mobile, downloaded from play store. Turn on wifi transfer, type the IP it shows you into your browser or ftp client, transfer files at 10-100x the speed of mtp.
Of course, both devices need to be on the same wifi, which isnt a problem in most cases.
Im sure some other file managers out there have the same function.
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i tried a few apps like this but in the end nothing is going to be as solid as plugging you phone to your pc and start transferring.

bonham1988 said:
yes exactly i too had a 2010 macbook pro and motherboard died. apple customer service asked to pay 36k inr ($500) usd to get the motherboard replaced. he told me apple doesnt allow them to repair motherboards and they have to replace them. i ended up getting a macbook air but even i've decided when my current mac dies i'll switch over to windows.
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That is outrageous! And the unibody design was so easy to work on, seriously, 9 screws and you could do anything your self. The price I was quoted was for just the screen, the installation I was going to do myself. Unfortunately, at the time I was looking, there really weren't better prices floating around. I was finally lucky enough to find a decent priced screen just this year, resurrected my MBP and daughter is using for school.
One day people are finally going to realize everything they (apple) make is from China, costs them nothing to manufacture, then they markup like 400%. People complaining about the EPI-pen lady, but she just took a look at a business model and decided to copy it... I'm personally very happy to give my money to a company like one plus where they obviously markup the price, but just don't rip you off straight out the gate, and then make you pay out the nose if something goes wrong.
Haven't had a single issue with my old OnePlus one, which is also under the control of my daughter, and my three is phenomenal as well. Samsung is also another company I'll never give money to in the phone department. My brand new note 3 bezel broke after I put it in one of the "authorized" cases they had. Asked them to fix, and they tried to charge me a ton of money. But the Samsung TVs, wow, no one can compare, so they've got me hooked there.
After writing all this I guess I'm just becoming some sort of hippie or something. Just tired of the greedy companies taking advantage...
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I use eltima Commander one pro.
This is a File Manager. With mtp Support.

noobtoob said:
That is outrageous! And the unibody design was so easy to work on, seriously, 9 screws and you could do anything your self. The price I was quoted was for just the screen, the installation I was going to do myself. Unfortunately, at the time I was looking, there really weren't better prices floating around. I was finally lucky enough to find a decent priced screen just this year, resurrected my MBP and daughter is using for school.
One day people are finally going to realize everything they (apple) make is from China, costs them nothing to manufacture, then they markup like 400%. People complaining about the EPI-pen lady, but she just took a look at a business model and decided to copy it... I'm personally very happy to give my money to a company like one plus where they obviously markup the price, but just don't rip you off straight out the gate, and then make you pay out the nose if something goes wrong.
Haven't had a single issue with my old OnePlus one, which is also under the control of my daughter, and my three is phenomenal as well. Samsung is also another company I'll never give money to in the phone department. My brand new note 3 bezel broke after I put it in one of the "authorized" cases they had. Asked them to fix, and they tried to charge me a ton of money. But the Samsung TVs, wow, no one can compare, so they've got me hooked there.
After writing all this I guess I'm just becoming some sort of hippie or something. Just tired of the greedy companies taking advantage...
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I agree with you. Companies like oneplus and xiaomi have proved that good products can be made and sold at resonable prices. Samsung is same as apple, they launched note 7 at 60k inr which is equal to 900 usd.
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dasacom said:
I use eltima Commander one pro.
This is a File Manager. With mtp Support.
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Thanks a lot man. You are a life saver. Commander one is brilliant, its working great, transfer speed is great and its extremely customizable. Again thanks a lot man.
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Good to hear you found a solution although you had to pay for it

bonham1988 said:
i tried a few apps like this but in the end nothing is going to be as solid as plugging you phone to your pc and start transferring.
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To each their own. Ive never had a single problem transferring files this way. On the other hand Ive had problems with plugging it in an using mtp, either with drivers or just how ridiculously slow it is.
The wifi method, theres no drivers involved, is about as fast as you can get regarding transfer speed, and I dont even have to get off my chair to find a cable.

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Good to hear you found a solution although you had to pay for it
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I dont mind paying if the solution is rock solid.

Airdroid will do same job.

ghostofcain said:
Airdroid will do same job.
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I've used airdroid but i didnt really liked the apps interface, i tried a few others (dont remeber the name) apps like it. I'm really loving commander one, its simple and clean and since it supports mtp mode its as easy as it is in windows to tranfer your data.
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