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So, not to miss out on the Windows Phone 7 bashing...

I went to the AT&T store last night for two reasons: 1. To play with WP7 on a live device so I could reject it with authority; and 2. to resign myself to replacing my iPhone 3G with an iPhone 4 and a package of prayers for an unbroken back.
What I found surprised me. Now mind you, I'd played with the emulator so I knew the basics of how the OS operated, but man...in person on a real device is a whole other ballgame. I was so surprised at how fast, responsive and intuitive the device was that I began to think I might actually buy one. "But the app store sucks, I hear!" so I took a look--and discovered that all but ONE of the apps I use on my iPhone were already there (minus a couple of specific games titles like awesome solitaire, but meh, it's solitaire, who effing cares?).
So I bought the phone. Today I found via techbargains.com that AT&T is offering $75 off any smartphone, with free activation (iPhone excluded,) so I called and got them to apply that, crediting me $93. Effectively I bought a new focus for $125, which seemed pretty damn good to me.
So far, I really think the device is fantastic, and side by side with iOS...it really makes Apple's mobile OS seem rather antiquated.
So basically that's it: I've switched back to Windows Mobile, and I'm not looking back

kudos for the actually going to the store to play before making a judgment and double kudos for buying one over an iphone 4. Did you get the Focus or the Surround?

I hear that the focus is a really great phone.

Aturayd said:
kudos for the actually going to the store to play before making a judgment and double kudos for buying one over an iphone 4. Did you get the Focus or the Surround?
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Got the focus, as I wanted the larger screen. Plus, truly, I wasn't impressed with the surround's speakers enough to warrant the extra bulk . I'd read that the focus "felt cheap," but to me it seems solidly built--just not heavy. But frankly, I like that--the device is incredibly comfortable to hold and operate.
I'm sure everyone here already knew about this, but I just found out about an hour ago: Voice command. It works REALLY well. I'm a Systems Engineer by trade, and my coworkers are all geeking out at the new phone. I think it may have caused spontaneous nerdgasms in half a dozen people so far today, LOL.

What is the battery life like... is it better than say a hd2? Will it go 2 days without charge?
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What is the battery life like... is it better than say a hd2? Will it go 2 days without charge?
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Haven't had it long enough to comment intelligently on the battery life . I can tell you that with HEAVY usage today (read: 6 guys passing the thing around, loading apps, web surfing, downloading apps, trying out Xbox Live games, etc) it got down to 30% battery life as of 4:00PM; it's been off the charger since 7AM, and being played with extensively from 10AM onward. I've downloaded over 1GB worth of stuff just this afternoon.

Note, the battery life will get longer after a few charge/discharge cycles (and when its not played with as much)
I'm not sure how different the Omnia 7 is in hardware specs, but during a 'work day (8 hours)' i dropped to 3/4.
I have had it for a week, so I'm still fiddling often, but not as much.
My friend got his Omnia 7 2 days ago. yesterday he had the battery at critical over the same time period (so it does improve)

microhaxo said:
I hear that the focus is a really great phone.
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So check this out. Met with a buddy of mine for lunch, and mostly spent the hour with him playing around with my focus. He runs a small consulting firm with about 30 techs, mostly on a mix of iPhones and Blackberries. I just got a call from him:
"Hey, loved your phone today. I just got in touch with my AT&T rep, confirmed I can get the $75 off promotion. I'm moving the whole company to Windows Phone 7 effective when we take delivery of the new phones next week. Thanks for letting me get my hands on it!"
I'm shocked, but not *too* shocked. Personally I'd still wait awhile before moving over my business entirely (mostly for the first update and maybe the app store to mature a little more,) but he's a tech genius, so if it's good enough for him, I see no reason to argue

mei_liberi_fatali said:
Note, the battery life will get longer after a few charge/discharge cycles (and when its not played with as much)
I'm not sure how different the Omnia 7 is in hardware specs, but during a 'work day (8 hours)' i dropped to 3/4.
I have had it for a week, so I'm still fiddling often, but not as much.
My friend got his Omnia 7 2 days ago. yesterday he had the battery at critical over the same time period (so it does improve)
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Good to hear, thanks . I'm now on the prowl for a decent class 6 32GB MicroSD for the sucker. I've never used more than 8 (even when I had a 16GB iPhone) but I think with the Xbox Live games, I'm likely going to!

Probably it is a good idea to wait a bit for WP7 certified memory cards. Microsoft says it is not all about the speed class.

b_u_d said:
What is the battery life like... is it better than say a hd2? Will it go 2 days without charge?
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why do you need to go two days without charging your phone? You do have electricity don't you?

Also nice to see the WP7 app count now over 2000+.

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why do you need to go two days without charging your phone? You do have electricity don't you?
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Yea i've never understood the 2 day thing
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jasongw said:
I've switched back to Windows Mobile
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Buying a Windows Phone 7 is *not* switching to "Windows Mobile."
WP != WM
But it's all good -- glad you're liking the phone! I like my HD7 too.

jasongw said:
I went to the AT&T store last night for two reasons: 1. To play with WP7 on a live device so I could reject it with authority; and 2. to resign myself to replacing my iPhone 3G with an iPhone 4 and a package of prayers for an unbroken back.
What I found surprised me. Now mind you, I'd played with the emulator so I knew the basics of how the OS operated, but man...in person on a real device is a whole other ballgame. I was so surprised at how fast, responsive and intuitive the device was that I began to think I might actually buy one. "But the app store sucks, I hear!" so I took a look--and discovered that all but ONE of the apps I use on my iPhone were already there (minus a couple of specific games titles like awesome solitaire, but meh, it's solitaire, who effing cares?).
So I bought the phone. Today I found via techbargains.com that AT&T is offering $75 off any smartphone, with free activation (iPhone excluded,) so I called and got them to apply that, crediting me $93. Effectively I bought a new focus for $125, which seemed pretty damn good to me.
So far, I really think the device is fantastic, and side by side with iOS...it really makes Apple's mobile OS seem rather antiquated.
So basically that's it: I've switched back to Windows Mobile, and I'm not looking back
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That's my sentiments too. That's why I made a thread about WP7 (on the HD7) being like a high-end Lexus or Infiniti...very, very sophisticated and elegant.
jasongw said:
Got the focus, as I wanted the larger screen. Plus, truly, I wasn't impressed with the surround's speakers enough to warrant the extra bulk . I'd read that the focus "felt cheap," but to me it seems solidly built--just not heavy. But frankly, I like that--the device is incredibly comfortable to hold and operate.
I'm sure everyone here already knew about this, but I just found out about an hour ago: Voice command. It works REALLY well. I'm a Systems Engineer by trade, and my coworkers are all geeking out at the new phone. I think it may have caused spontaneous nerdgasms in half a dozen people so far today, LOL.
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Hahahaha...they must have been very sticky by day's end.
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Haven't had it long enough to comment intelligently on the battery life . I can tell you that with HEAVY usage today (read: 6 guys passing the thing around, loading apps, web surfing, downloading apps, trying out Xbox Live games, etc) it got down to 30% battery life as of 4:00PM; it's been off the charger since 7AM, and being played with extensively from 10AM onward. I've downloaded over 1GB worth of stuff just this afternoon.
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I turned off the GPS, like I do on my HD2 (using WM or Android) and it makes a significant difference in BL.
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Good to hear, thanks . I'm now on the prowl for a decent class 6 32GB MicroSD for the sucker. I've never used more than 8 (even when I had a 16GB iPhone) but I think with the Xbox Live games, I'm likely going to!
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I hope you are aware that changing the MicroSD card will wipe the system. You basically are doing a hard reset to upgrade to a larger card.

MartyLK said:
That's my sentiments too. That's why I made a thread about WP7 (on the HD7) being like a high-end Lexus or Infiniti...very, very sophisticated and elegant.
Hahahaha...they must have been very sticky by day's end.
I turned off the GPS, like I do on my HD2 (using WM or Android) and it makes a significant difference in BL.
I hope you are aware that changing the MicroSD card will wipe the system. You basically are doing a hard reset to upgrade to a larger card.
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And the card isnt guaranteed to work. I personally wouldnt risk it.
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buying the phone on att website is only 100.00 before tax, free overnight shipping.

This is a great thread. I agree with the original poster - the Focus is a fantastic phone. Once you start to actually use WP7, and get a feel for the UI and how it operates, it's like a whole new world, and the iOS/Android icon grid system seems archaic in comparison.
I also agree that at this early stage, I can still find a relevant app for almost everything I have previously needed on Android.
Really liking WP7 overall. I think if people give it a chance and start to use it, they will see the difference as well.

Arg, the Dell Venue Pro is becoming more tempting with each day. Damn you for this thread, my better half is going to leave me if I drop another $500 on an unnecessary toy

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Also nice to see the WP7 app count now over 2000+.
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Where do you find that info? I have noticed that on each of the two days I've now had the phone, new apps have appeared. So far I'm only missing really two apps from iPhone: a turn by turn GPS and Wordpress. I'm sure both will be along before long

Kinda Dinc question, kinda tablet...

What I'm curious to know is, has anyone found a good 10" tablet that has ask the features of the Dinc minus the phone?
Google pulls up a bunch and people leave reviews but none of those I'd trust as much as I would as much as I'd trust from xda testers. Need for work cause the web app is a pain on this small screen as the keyboard takes up most of the screen. cheap would be nice but understand good cost more. Also need all sensors with camera as I also use dishpointer pro almost daily.
Yep, large Dinc without phone... Recommend something to the confused...
Thanks
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Just wait, better tables are coming within the next 2 months (Moto Xoom, LG G-Slate, Samaung Tab 2 possibly). They will all have upgraded processors, some have 3D cameras, higher resolution, and best of all, Honeycomb (Android 3.0)

Kewl, will hold off a bit.
Thanks.
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BenHolliday said:
What I'm curious to know is, has anyone found a good 10" tablet that has ask the features of the Dinc minus the phone?
Google pulls up a bunch and people leave reviews but none of those I'd trust as much as I would as much as I'd trust from xda testers. Need for work cause the web app is a pain on this small screen as the keyboard takes up most of the screen. cheap would be nice but understand good cost more. Also need all sensors with camera as I also use dishpointer pro almost daily.
Yep, large Dinc without phone... Recommend something to the confused...
Thanks
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Yeah i'm holding of on this too, there are so many tablets that are coming out soon (soon as in until summer) so it will worth the wait. Not to mention that prices will also go down, paying $600-700 for a tablet right now is not really a good value to me at least.

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Yeah i'm holding of on this too, there are so many tablets that are coming out soon (soon as in until summer) so it will worth the wait. Not to mention that prices will also go down, paying $600-700 for a tablet right now is not really a good value to me at least.
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Shoot, seeing some for under 200 on net now.

BenHolliday said:
Shoot, seeing some for under 200 on net now.
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Bear in mind "you get what you pay for." Remember that our phones cost like $600 without a contract; the tablets that will be worth the money are going to be upwards of $500. The Galaxy Tab is $500 right now subsidized by Verizon.

Jes7er said:
Bear in mind "you get what you pay for." Remember that our phones cost like $600 without a contract; the tablets that will be worth the money are going to be upwards of $500. The Galaxy Tab is $500 right now subsidized by Verizon.
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Yeah, seeing that the tablets with wireless 3g are up there in price. Wanting one without the 3g so that I don't have to extend or pay an additional fee to add it to our cell plan. Using Wireless Tether would be just fine...
If this was a 10" I'd love to have it:
http://www.amazon.com/Archos-500-In...OC/ref=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8&qid=1296695107&sr=8-15
Would be awesome... Really camera would be optional as I can use phone for Dishpointer Pro..

BenHolliday said:
Yeah, seeing that the tablets with wireless 3g are up there in price. Wanting one without the 3g so that I don't have to extend or pay an additional fee to add it to our cell plan. Using Wireless Tether would be just fine...
If this was a 10" I'd love to have it:
http://www.amazon.com/Archos-500-In...OC/ref=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8&qid=1296695107&sr=8-15
Would be awesome... Really camera would be optional as I can use phone for Dishpointer Pro..
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To be honest those Archos tablets aren't that bad at all. Quite good for what you pay for them. A guy I worked with a couple years back had one, really nice.

Dude, like you I have been waiting for an amazing tablet to along with my Incredible. I was totally sold on the XOOM (and still am) but $699 is too steep for me. I know that people will be saying that it is better than the $499 iPad because of more features and whatnot, but if Moto wants to make a name for itself in the tablet world and take the crown from Apple, it should release it for $499-$599 with the features it has. That way it will sell like hotcakes!
Anyway, since the XOOM is too expensive, I just learned about the Viewsonic gTablet last week and have fallen in love with it! 10.1" screen, Tegra 2, 512MB ram, 16GB internal memory, microSD, WiFi N, 1.3MP front camera and USB 2.0 for input!!! the price for this baby is only $379. I have been spending hours reading all the threads in the forums and people LOVE it. The actual software it comes with sucks, but there are very good stable roms out there for it, even a stock android 2.2 The hardware on the tablet are amazing! The devs on here are amazing and I am sure someone will be able to get a fully functional Gingerbread rom on that in due time.
If price for the XOOM is an issue then go for the gTablet. Very similar specs with the exception of 3G/4G data radio. Which most people do not want, including me.

Mac users?

As much as I dislike Crapple and there products I believe that I have to get a Mac for work :/
I was wondering if any of you guys had a Mac and how is it?
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best decision you can make trust me I have had to MacBooks and a mac mini. My Macbook has been nothing but great for college no slow starts, its there when you require it, will not freeze or let you down when you most need it. Theres less malware viruses ect for it so you feel a little more secure. Apple support is a plus this guys will fix any problem you have within warranty and aslong as you did not brake anything on purpose. Besides you can install virtual machine and run windows 8, xp, vista ect its like you have two computers in one.

IBTL
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dz1 said:
best decision you can make trust me I have had to MacBooks and a mac mini. My Macbook has been nothing but great for college no slow starts, its there when you require it, will not freeze or let you down when you most need it. Theres less malware viruses ect for it so you feel a little more secure. Apple support is a plus this guys will fix any problem you have within warranty and aslong as you did not brake anything on purpose. Besides you can install virtual machine and run windows 8, xp, vista ect its like you have two computers in one.
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Thanks, which one do you have?
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Or you could build a hackintosh for home. Sandybridge has made building and using one with lion a piece of cake. Under 300 bucks for a nice mac mini performance machine. It's funny how people won't admit to owning any apple products in these threads for fear of being pounced on. At least this section seems better than most.

What kind of job do you have that they would use mac? Macs suck at business stuff

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What kind of job do you have that they would use mac? Macs suck at business stuff
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Yeah, the integrated multiple desktops really are horrible :silly:

moeinyoho said:
Thanks, which one do you have?
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I have a MacBook unibody the one before the retina display have never had any problems. I recommend going to the apple store and trying them out on display.. Besides most people don't like Mac and yet they have never owned one.. So just try it out because what matters is what you want not what me or some one else likes... If you have a question just let me know Id be glad to answer

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I have a MacBook unibody the one before the retina display have never had any problems. I recommend going to the apple store and trying them out on display.. Besides most people don't like Mac and yet they have never owned one.. So just try it out because what matters is what you want not what me or some one else likes... If you have a question just let me know Id be glad to answer
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I work in IT and use them all the time. Actually fixing one right now. And from an IT stand point Macs are no good for buis. And you can run multiple OS's on any PC. That is not a Mac thing they just advertise it because they know you will need windows for something

Once you go MAC you don't go back to "PC"
been in IT since 1982.. been on MAC at my home office for 4 years now. I have 6 laptops of my own and 4 MACS also. 2 mbp, 1 macro, and 1 new while unibody for daughter at college.. I have serviced all pc's from Southern Cali to Washington DC. I have yet to fully need to break down a mac any place ... only hard drives if that. When I repair PC'S laptops at Colleges its always a windows' machine. The reason I switched over was the virus issues with PCs and the constant WTF i need to update today before I start working on my PC. Sure they both have trojans and mail ware. But PC's have viruses and MAC's do not. Meaning PC's can be made inoperable by malicious software a lot more often were as MAC will be used as pons in a greater hacking plan with implanted trojans.... but still operate. Many times without the user ever knowing. Last reason .. economics... take a look at the income scale of MAC user's .. usually a lot higher than your typical PC user. By no means am I saying PC users don't make more money than MAC users.. just are usually in my field experience in a more lucrative high paying career position than a trade "job". Granted you defiantly have infinite more options of software and best of breed hardware options building PC's. If you want to do what you want how you want .. build your own PC box. If you want to power up and get to work on the reason you power'd up every time you power up with out having to restart our machine after using it for extended periods of time opening and closing apps.. going in and out of hibernation/sleep mode for days on end..... MAC is the way to go. .................... on last note.. the pc are great .. mac's are great... the internet is bases off UNIX not DOS. MAC is based off UNIX. If dos went away.. PC would rule hands down. truly its not the hardware man.. its the software that's the issue. I for all OS's merging closely into one within the next 20 years... each upgrade of windows it becomes more MAC. its just how it goes. even Ubuntu with its unity desktop is following suite as well. out of all the computers in my home only one 2 year old Sony has Windows 7 Ultimate on it to flash my GPS and Pimped out Epizzal 4G's Touch.. LOL.. everything else Runs on OS-X and UBUNTU... .. http://forum.xda-developers.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

Did you guys know that in a few years windoze will be releasing Microsux X ... I had to contribute!

Switched in 2010 and haven't looked back since. 2010 MBP upgraded to 8Gb of RAM and a 256Gb Crucial SSD, its been plenty fast, and loaded Win7 on it, but recently pulled that off and put XP on instead.
I was so impressed with it when my PC bit the dust I replaced it with a 27" iMac.

Lol just do Hackintosh. I have one and it beats the crap out of my friend's mac. Go for SB-E and then buy an IB-E cpu.
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Pc bit the dust aswell
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Switched in 2010 and haven't looked back since. 2010 MBP upgraded to 8Gb of RAM and a 256Gb Crucial SSD, its been plenty fast, and loaded Win7 on it, but recently pulled that off and put XP on instead.
I was so impressed with it when my PC bit the dust I replaced it with a 27" iMac.
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same here... neVAAAAA going back to PC........ have the same 15 MBP did the same upgrade...also insalled Lion.. it just plain flies............
tried to bog it down by 1. dowloading 25 gigs torrent 2. burn 8.5 dvd 3. streaming music 4. streaming hd video 5 running AI to edit newspaper add 6. surfen web news sites 7. 3 machines RDP 8. backing up data to NAS 9. apple checking for updates.. ALL AT SAME TIME. AND THE MACHINE JUST KEEP SAYING "BRING IT!! BRING IT!" no lag what so ever!.
Sorry PC's.. since I'm not a big PC gamer.... My switch has been a long time coming.. I wish they would start the IM A MAC / PC commercials again too funny.. but all of them true. LMAO.:highfive:

No it's not true because you're comparing computers with intel processors that are far superior to all its predecessors. I can do the exact things you stated with my Core i7-920 machine with no hiccups as well because the jump from Core 2 duo/quad to first gen i7s was 20% increase in performance on average. 2nd generation and 3rd generation are 10-20% better than the first gen nehelams (depending on task).
It does not matter if it's a PC or a Mac. You'll be hard pressed to make any modern CPU from Intel or AMD choke in any way unless you're doing the most demanding of tasks where intel completely dominates.
An updated windows 7 machine from a QUALITY manufacturer (not the cheap hp/dell stuff in retail stores) will last as long as any MBP. There is a reason the commercials stopped. It just didn't work anymore against the improvements in Win 7.
Also i live in the state capital of CA and have family with seniority positions within the gov't and let me tell you. Even though literally everyone has an Ipad...
Out of the thousands of computers, I did not ever encounter mac's in huge quantities. Only windows or custom OS's.
Side note #1 - MBP's use SSD's which allow for insanely fast response times.
#2 - They do get viruses / malware and are usually the fastest to be hacked in any hacking competition due to extensive security vulnerabilities that they take forever to patch which is also one of the main reasons the PCvMac commercials stopped when MS got its act together.

MemoryController said:
Lol just do Hackintosh. I have one and it beats the crap out of my friend's mac. Go for SB-E and then buy an IB-E cpu.
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I'm with you, 2 hackintosh sandy bridge machines dual booting windows 7 for the oddball stuff. These things are so easy to build and trouble free:good:

Compudizzal said:
been in IT since 1982.. been on MAC at my home office for 4 years now. I have 6 laptops of my own and 4 MACS also. 2 mbp, 1 macro, and 1 new while unibody for daughter at college.. I have serviced all pc's from Southern Cali to Washington DC. I have yet to fully need to break down a mac any place ... only hard drives if that. When I repair PC'S laptops at Colleges its always a windows' machine. The reason I switched over was the virus issues with PCs and the constant WTF i need to update today before I start working on my PC. Sure they both have trojans and mail ware. But PC's have viruses and MAC's do not. Meaning PC's can be made inoperable by malicious software a lot more often were as MAC will be used as pons in a greater hacking plan with implanted trojans.... but still operate. Many times without the user ever knowing. Last reason .. economics... take a look at the income scale of MAC user's .. usually a lot higher than your typical PC user. By no means am I saying PC users don't make more money than MAC users.. just are usually in my field experience in a more lucrative high paying career position than a trade "job". Granted you defiantly have infinite more options of software and best of breed hardware options building PC's. If you want to do what you want how you want .. build your own PC box. If you want to power up and get to work on the reason you power'd up every time you power up with out having to restart our machine after using it for extended periods of time opening and closing apps.. going in and out of hibernation/sleep mode for days on end..... MAC is the way to go. .................... on last note.. the pc are great .. mac's are great... the internet is bases off UNIX not DOS. MAC is based off UNIX. If dos went away.. PC would rule hands down. truly its not the hardware man.. its the software that's the issue. I for all OS's merging closely into one within the next 20 years... each upgrade of windows it becomes more MAC. its just how it goes. even Ubuntu with its unity desktop is following suite as well. out of all the computers in my home only one 2 year old Sony has Windows 7 Ultimate on it to flash my GPS and Pimped out Epizzal 4G's Touch.. LOL.. everything else Runs on OS-X and UBUNTU... .. http://forum.xda-developers.com/images/icons/icon6.gif
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Mac desktops are PCs... You know a personal computer. Just like Dells, HPs, Sony and the like. OSX is pretty but I'm not paying an arm and leg for a name brand. It's like Air Jordan sneakers. Every year its the same hing different colour higher price. Sometimes add some need giltz and glam.
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Just bought both an MBA 13" 2012 edition and the Asus Zenbook UX31A. It's my first time using a Mac and I've been a pro-PC person all my life, but I can honestly say that the Air is better than the UX31A, which is the top Ultrabook out right now. The specs are pretty identical, but this is a lot more intuitive and they are basically the same price.
But since this thread is about Android phones, I'll say that I usually just run Parallels to Windows 7 for my Android stuff because I CBA figuring out how Heimdall works instead of Odin haha. Otherwise, I think it's basically the same. Macs are pretty good with automatically finding drivers.

genderblurr said:
Mac desktops are PCs... You know a personal computer. Just like Dells, HPs, Sony and the like. OSX is pretty but I'm not paying an arm and leg for a name brand. It's like Air Jordan sneakers. Every year its the same hing different colour higher price. Sometimes add some need giltz and glam.
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I think he was going abit more in depth. Like he stated unix is based to work with the internet DOS it's not.
Windows was never meant to be used with the internet
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On sale ebay $199 32gb with touch cover.

I couldn't resist this deal but reading the reviews now was it really a good buy?
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It was a hell of a deal, much better than most of us who have them got it for. You're asking us to tell you, after the fact, if it was wise? That's between you, your use cases, and your money. You should always know what you're buying, whather it costs $2 or $200...
With that said, if your use cases are anything close to what the tablet is good at, yeah, that's a hell of a steal.

Primarily movies and streaming media like tv shows and stuff.
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Quite good for that, though you might want to get a microSD card if you want to store movies locally. Those will use up the internal storage quickly.

Yeah, this is a good price. Probably a student or teaching staff that's flogging it though.

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Quite good for that, though you might want to get a microSD card if you want to store movies locally. Those will use up the internal storage quickly.
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Yeah but I never store movies seeing them once is enough lol. Plus you can find everything online these days so.
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Indeed a very good deal. at that price the surface is the best tablet For me, I bought it because I moved to another country and didn't had a PC at that time. So for that it's a very good deal as you have a tablet and a pc at the same time/ I wanted to be able to use my USB device but also be able to browse my network drives connect via ssh to my apple tv,...

diamantericos said:
Yeah but I never store movies seeing them once is enough lol. Plus you can find everything online these days so.
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Plus you can get USB hard drives quite cheaply now, especially with the money you have saved on the surface in the first place. Stick movies on there for long term storage.
You will probably want the microSD anyway though, 32gb on a windows machine is very little. You can use 64gb microSD's in it I think, or just use 32 or less I guess.

diamantericos said:
I couldn't resist this deal but reading the reviews now was it really a good buy?
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I too couldn't resist. Mine arrived yesterday. While it has "REFURBISHED" stickers, both the unit and keyboard look brand new. The only minor sign of prior use is with the power supply.
I've been running RT 8.1 on my Dell XPS 10, so I knew what I was in for as far as the OS is concerned. In other words, I am very happy it jumped.

diamantericos said:
I couldn't resist this deal but reading the reviews now was it really a good buy?
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Buying what?
You might want to be more detailed for those of us reading on tapatalk...

I bought mine in the uk last weekend for £319 with touch cover, I knew exactly what I was buying, as I hate the ipad and have grown to detest android, even after having and hacking a dell streak, Motorola droid etc. I also used ios for years with jailbreak and in the week I have had the surface I have to say am very happy. if I had bought at $199 I would be singing from the roof tops as that's a steal. it is a tablet that divides opinion, because the world, cant see how not having to sync to the bloody terrible iTunes is a good thing. tonight I have rearranged the music on the usb stick, I use in my lexus, written a couple of lengthy emails with attachments, reviewed a couple hotels, and created half a power point presentation all from my tablet.
I can honestly say that the only thing I am missing from ios and android is bad piggies and I am pretty sure that Google and apple fanboys would say that's cause there app stores are better, they maybe but they make up or stale hardware.

rydroid said:
I can honestly say that the only thing I am missing from ios and android is bad piggies and I am pretty sure that Google and apple fanboys would say that's cause there app stores are better, they maybe but they make up or stale hardware.
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At one point Rovio mentioned that Bad Piggies would release on windows 8, and the unity game engine does support both windows 8 and RT, no idea what happened to that.

Mac & Android

So android and mac don't play well together. Apple doesn't allow mtp to work on mac and google have not updated their android file transfer app in ages and it's extremely buggy. What apps and methods you guys use to make your life easier? I have been using an app called handshaker, it's a decent app but still not as simple and solid as plugging your phone on windows.

Install windows using boot camp. Problem solved. Best of both worlds then.
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I dont want to install windows as i have a macbook air with 128 gb ssd and dont want to waste 30 gigs on windows since i dont really need windows at all.
the main problem is neither apple nor google is concerned with this matter which kind of sucks. i know there's probably a very less number of people using androids and macs together but i'd still love to see some solid solution.

Yea! I've been living with this problem too! Handshaker is nice. But transfer speeds are damn slow.

Well after 20 years of using Macintosh and about 5 of using android, the only way to get things working properly to install windows. Either using boot camp or parallel desktop emulator. Those are the only two fool proof solutions sadly, like it or not.
I agree, android transfer is completely crap for Mac. Having to disconnect and reconnect all the time in order to get one out of three times it works.
It used to work fine on Sony Z1 using 5.1 but marshmallow seems to be the issue to me.
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Well after 20 years of using Macintosh and about 5 of using android, the only way to get things working properly to install windows. Either using boot camp or parallel desktop emulator. Those are the only two fool proof solutions sadly, like it or not.
I agree, android transfer is completely crap for Mac. Having to disconnect and reconnect all the time in order to get one out of three times it works.
It used to work fine on Sony Z1 using 5.1 but marshmallow seems to be the issue to me.
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Yes and sadly none of the companies are showing us any love, i expect this from apple being stubborn and all but really i dont understand why google hasnt done something.
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bonham1988 said:
Yes and sadly none of the companies are showing us any love, i expect this from apple being stubborn and all but really i dont understand why google hasnt done something.
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This is sad. I gave up my Mac 2 years ago after trying to get a replacement screen for a 2010 Mac book pro and they told me $400. Bought a touchscreen Dell on sale for same price, windows 10 free upgrade, better processor and RAM, SSD, etc... Apple has always made a sleek looking, good product, but their lack of support without shelling or a ton of cash is why i left their desktop/laptop products. Android is why I left their phone products. They will probably never make anything to work with an Android device unless you pay them. Strictly apples to apples (pun intended).
I do hope you find a solution, cause I was thinking about replacing my wife's I Mac with a newer one, but if I can't use it ever, I'm going to find another win 10 machine.
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I just use "File Manager" from cheetah mobile, downloaded from play store. Turn on wifi transfer, type the IP it shows you into your browser or ftp client, transfer files at 10-100x the speed of mtp.
Of course, both devices need to be on the same wifi, which isnt a problem in most cases.
Im sure some other file managers out there have the same function.

noobtoob said:
This is sad. I gave up my Mac 2 years ago after trying to get a replacement screen for a 2010 Mac book pro and they told me $400. Bought a touchscreen Dell on sale for same price, windows 10 free upgrade, better processor and RAM, SSD, etc... Apple has always made a sleek looking, good product, but their lack of support without shelling or a ton of cash is why i left their desktop/laptop products. Android is why I left their phone products. They will probably never make anything to work with an Android device unless you pay them. Strictly apples to apples (pun intended).
I do hope you find a solution, cause I was thinking about replacing my wife's I Mac with a newer one, but if I can't use it ever, I'm going to find another win 10 machine.
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yes exactly i too had a 2010 macbook pro and motherboard died. apple customer service asked to pay 36k inr ($500) usd to get the motherboard replaced. he told me apple doesnt allow them to repair motherboards and they have to replace them. i ended up getting a macbook air but even i've decided when my current mac dies i'll switch over to windows.

PsychoAssasin said:
I just use "File Manager" from cheetah mobile, downloaded from play store. Turn on wifi transfer, type the IP it shows you into your browser or ftp client, transfer files at 10-100x the speed of mtp.
Of course, both devices need to be on the same wifi, which isnt a problem in most cases.
Im sure some other file managers out there have the same function.
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i tried a few apps like this but in the end nothing is going to be as solid as plugging you phone to your pc and start transferring.

bonham1988 said:
yes exactly i too had a 2010 macbook pro and motherboard died. apple customer service asked to pay 36k inr ($500) usd to get the motherboard replaced. he told me apple doesnt allow them to repair motherboards and they have to replace them. i ended up getting a macbook air but even i've decided when my current mac dies i'll switch over to windows.
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That is outrageous! And the unibody design was so easy to work on, seriously, 9 screws and you could do anything your self. The price I was quoted was for just the screen, the installation I was going to do myself. Unfortunately, at the time I was looking, there really weren't better prices floating around. I was finally lucky enough to find a decent priced screen just this year, resurrected my MBP and daughter is using for school.
One day people are finally going to realize everything they (apple) make is from China, costs them nothing to manufacture, then they markup like 400%. People complaining about the EPI-pen lady, but she just took a look at a business model and decided to copy it... I'm personally very happy to give my money to a company like one plus where they obviously markup the price, but just don't rip you off straight out the gate, and then make you pay out the nose if something goes wrong.
Haven't had a single issue with my old OnePlus one, which is also under the control of my daughter, and my three is phenomenal as well. Samsung is also another company I'll never give money to in the phone department. My brand new note 3 bezel broke after I put it in one of the "authorized" cases they had. Asked them to fix, and they tried to charge me a ton of money. But the Samsung TVs, wow, no one can compare, so they've got me hooked there.
After writing all this I guess I'm just becoming some sort of hippie or something. Just tired of the greedy companies taking advantage...
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I use eltima Commander one pro.
This is a File Manager. With mtp Support.

noobtoob said:
That is outrageous! And the unibody design was so easy to work on, seriously, 9 screws and you could do anything your self. The price I was quoted was for just the screen, the installation I was going to do myself. Unfortunately, at the time I was looking, there really weren't better prices floating around. I was finally lucky enough to find a decent priced screen just this year, resurrected my MBP and daughter is using for school.
One day people are finally going to realize everything they (apple) make is from China, costs them nothing to manufacture, then they markup like 400%. People complaining about the EPI-pen lady, but she just took a look at a business model and decided to copy it... I'm personally very happy to give my money to a company like one plus where they obviously markup the price, but just don't rip you off straight out the gate, and then make you pay out the nose if something goes wrong.
Haven't had a single issue with my old OnePlus one, which is also under the control of my daughter, and my three is phenomenal as well. Samsung is also another company I'll never give money to in the phone department. My brand new note 3 bezel broke after I put it in one of the "authorized" cases they had. Asked them to fix, and they tried to charge me a ton of money. But the Samsung TVs, wow, no one can compare, so they've got me hooked there.
After writing all this I guess I'm just becoming some sort of hippie or something. Just tired of the greedy companies taking advantage...
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I agree with you. Companies like oneplus and xiaomi have proved that good products can be made and sold at resonable prices. Samsung is same as apple, they launched note 7 at 60k inr which is equal to 900 usd.
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dasacom said:
I use eltima Commander one pro.
This is a File Manager. With mtp Support.
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Thanks a lot man. You are a life saver. Commander one is brilliant, its working great, transfer speed is great and its extremely customizable. Again thanks a lot man.
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Good to hear you found a solution although you had to pay for it

bonham1988 said:
i tried a few apps like this but in the end nothing is going to be as solid as plugging you phone to your pc and start transferring.
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To each their own. Ive never had a single problem transferring files this way. On the other hand Ive had problems with plugging it in an using mtp, either with drivers or just how ridiculously slow it is.
The wifi method, theres no drivers involved, is about as fast as you can get regarding transfer speed, and I dont even have to get off my chair to find a cable.

SysAdmNj said:
Good to hear you found a solution although you had to pay for it
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I dont mind paying if the solution is rock solid.

Airdroid will do same job.

ghostofcain said:
Airdroid will do same job.
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I've used airdroid but i didnt really liked the apps interface, i tried a few others (dont remeber the name) apps like it. I'm really loving commander one, its simple and clean and since it supports mtp mode its as easy as it is in windows to tranfer your data.
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