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If anyone can help me obtain a newer (or release!) WM6 rom, I'd be ever so grateful. I'd like to do some cooking on it, and release it on here.
I can help you get it off your phone if that's they only way you have it! Or, of course, an .nb is good too
PM me if you can help.
I'm sure LVSW can help you with that
The only problem - it may cost you $2.5/MB
moisha said:
I'm sure LVSW can help you with that
The only problem - it may cost you $2.5/MB
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Hee Hee Hee, that has tickled me!
LegolasTheElf said:
If anyone can help me obtain a newer (or release!) WM6 rom, I'd be ever so grateful. I'd like to do some cooking on it, and release it on here.
I can help you get it off your phone if that's they only way you have it! Or, of course, an .nb is good too
PM me if you can help.
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You are a genius...cooking a rom with some heavy bugs and WHAT A COINCIDENCE, you are the only man who can fix it...only by skype
a true entrepreneur!
An Opinion -
This is a developers site where people help each other and learn for free.
That's why this site is so amazing and successfull.
Asking for donations or money to help others for a fee should be stopped immediately. If anyone wants a donation or money for services (sick) then create your own private site and do it from there!
The argument that thier time is money and cannot help noobs, then they have no place on this site.
Also, ALL DONATION requests on this site should be for XDA-Developers and XDA-Developers Wiki sites ONLY.
This is a call to the administrators of XDA Developers: Please keep this site to the standards that it always is and has been.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Could not possibly agree more with this.
Its disgusting and unethical.
Each to their own, but do it in your forum/web/blog not here.
I am all for donations, and praising/rewarding/bribing the creators of these excellent tools/roms etc.
Its a crying shame when that gets turned into a profit making, scamming situation and preying on noobs and constantly asking to be PAID (not donated to) to hep using free information just because they can't be bothered showing the way and would rather charge to do it themselves.
donations are DONATIONS!
(not talking about legolas)
If I want to reward a developer It`s my choice! to do that, I need a link for donations.
and guys, I dont know why your bugging LegolasTheElf,
here he gives he`s support with no demand, out on skype where he give`s more attention he want`s a payback - it`s he`s choice.
I and a big portion of all of us want to reward the developers!
donations is the only way and I hope you`ll see whats so important in donations.
Don't even think of removing the concept of donations.
pello said:
You are a genius...
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i think lego has been called this enough today.. its going to his head
elivne said:
(not talking about legolas)
If I want to reward a developer It`s my choice! to do that, I need a link for donations.
and guys, I dont know why your bugging LegolasTheElf,
here he gives he`s support with no demand, out on skype where he give`s more attention he want`s a payback - it`s he`s choice.
I and a big portion of all of us want to reward the developers!
donations is the only way and I hope you`ll see whats so important in donations.
Don't even think of removing the concept of donations.
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I agree - BUT donations should not be solicited from this site.
Its getting ugly!!
Developers can link to their own sites and ask for donations from there.
Not from here. This can be controlled by the administrators.
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Don't even think of removing the concept of donations.
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Dont think anybody actually suggested that
ok guys... enough with all of that... Its fine to have links to accept donations... we always ask that the person donates to the board, but in some instances people would like to donate to the person that helped them.. we dont make posts asking for donations, we arent begging.. its there for an option to person, not mandatory.. we are here whether we get donations or not... end of discussion.. im locking this thread, its gone way off topic. sorry lego, gotta lock it..
I was just looking for an excuse to do something else instead preparing for exams, and there it was, sound finally working on Touch pro2!
To tell the truth, I've given up hope. I even started looking for a new phone, but never found anything that could compete with Rhodium's features, namely the awesome keyboard.
But I should have known better.
Now it's just down to the opengl driver and camera. Well and BT but I consider BT in any form non functional anyway
Anyway, to show my appreciation for the hard working awesome devs I'd like to donate to the project. How do I go about doing that?
https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/w...63663d3faee8d4b3d02051cb40a5393d96fec50118c72
https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webs...bn=PP-DonationsBF:btn_donate_LG.gif:NonHosted
Use the official XDAndroid donate page....
http://xdandroid.com/w/donate.php
WoZZeR999 said:
Use the official XDAndroid donate page....
http://xdandroid.com/w/donate.php
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Thanks.
I should have dug it up myself, but I'm really busy these days. Didn't even have time to try the new builds yet
BTW, less than 30 donors on the wiki? WTF?
I see so many people whining but they can't spare at least $5?
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BTW, less than 30 donors on the wiki? WTF?
I see so many people whining but they can't spare at least $5?
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Welcome to the world of free. People still want it to work like devs are getting paid, but not pay anything.
i started with 10$ it's ridiculous i know, i pay more for my lunch each day.
but everyone here downloading hard work for free should consider doing the same. think of it, it's a good way to thank for the work already being done and encourage the guys for continuing if they still want to.
personally, i will continue to donate for each release i download
Thanks for posting this question. I've been wondering about this for a while. Donation sent. XDAndroid FTW
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https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webs...bn=PP-DonationsBF:btn_donate_LG.gif:NonHosted
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Hmmmmmmmmmmm this guy wants people to donate to [email protected] ..... i really wonder if he is a developer assisting or if he is trying to rip people off of money belonging to those who deserve it for all of their hard work.
I say if its the latter, Ban him >.>
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Hmmmmmmmmmmm this guy wants people to donate to [email protected] ..... i really wonder if he is a developer assisting or if he is trying to rip people off of money belonging to those who deserve it for all of their hard work.
I say if its the latter, Ban him >.>
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huh? It's the developer (reef). Unless you're sure about something don't make false accusations.
It would have taken you 10 seconds to see that the paypal link is the same as the one posted in the OP of http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=627997
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huh? It's the developer (reef). Unless you're sure about something don't make false accusations.
It would have taken you 10 seconds to see that the paypal link is the same as the one posted in the OP of http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=627997
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Um, Karan, just posting links to paypal is bad, as lots of people don't hang around here enough to know who the real devs are.
A legit donation page is much more trustworthy.
I know. Only did it cause the post above mine posted the wrong paypal link.
MOD EDIT: I am closing this thread. It has become pathetic the amount of trolling and arguing and complaining - you would think this was a thread with a bunch of high school kids if it wasn't for the timestamps saying otherwise.
In addition, after further review this effort falls short of the general XDA guidelines for bounty threads in that it is not for one specific developer, but instead a free-for-all for whomever gets something *done* first, and then that is a subjective nightmare.
And further, the idea of donating to an effort of this sort always leads to further the sense of entitlement which always infects XDA.
All pledges can be considered moot and you may choose to donate to whomever you want to.
put me down for $20 for full 1.0 release of ROM
Im in for $20 but what are you talking about when you say full code?
There are lots of people that would love this but you also know you posted this in the wrong forum this should be in general... the mod will move this so you will probably need to look for it there .....
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ilostmypistons said:
Im in for $20 but what are you talking about when you say full code?
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Put me down for for 25
wrong section for 1, second ICS will come to our phone as soon as its possible trust me.. your not the only one that wants ICS
put me down for 20 im excited to experience the hype over ics
ehusidic said:
put me down for 20 im excited to experience the hype over ics
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Download the sdk you can play with it a little .....
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20 from me also
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Epix4G said:
Download the sdk you can play with it a little .....
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It just isn't the same unless ive got it in my hand.
Wow! Others want ICS as bad as me!
expr said:
20 from me also
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Due to the rapid responses and at least one for even more than $20, we might get this REWARD up to 4 figures within 24 hours which would be an awesome stimulant for thosE capable of compiling a ROM for our beloved Sprint E4GT.
EVERYONE: Seems this thread has been moved to GENERAL. I don't care if they but it under LIEUTENANT or even CORPORAL as long as we get our ROM ASAP! Thanks y'all and tell your friends so we can make the total reward even more enticing and get our ICE CREAM SANDWICH even sooner!
UPDATE: We're already up to $165. GO TEAM GO !!!
I seen bounty threads in the past. The just don't work from what I saw. It's easy to pledge, but, when the day comes to paying it's just as easy to forget.
Personally I believe a bounty should be more organized. There should be a pot that people donate to. So, the money is actually there to help entice any developer to get more motivated. That would eliminate half ass promises. With this system we will be able to tell how much money one can make for fulfilling the desired request. Problem is deciding who is trustworthy enough to handle this pot.
If this system is somehow adopted I will be donating to the cause.
personally i was the first one to provide my confirmed donation for the OG Evo wimax on AOSP thread, so its on the honor policy. True there could be better ways to entice, but this is a start.
@OP - usually the subject of the thread is modified with the date and pledge amount total
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I seen bounty threads in the past. The just don't work from what I saw. It's easy to pledge, but, when the day comes to paying it's just as easy to forget.
Personally I believe a bounty should be more organized. There should be a pot that people donate to. So, the money is actually there to help entice any developer to get more motivated. That would eliminate half ass promises. With this system we will be able to tell how much money one can make for fulfilling the desired request. Problem is deciding who is trustworthy enough to handle this pot.
If this system is somehow adopted I will be donating to the cause.
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exactly! stop promising to donate to whoever does it first when you know more than half of you won't donate anything and reap the benefits...
Ill drop $35.0 if its even possible without source. Which you would probably need lots of luck.
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elliwigy said:
exactly! stop promising to donate to whoever does it first when you know more than half of you won't donate anything and reap the benefits...
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Yep, I wonder how many edited posts we'll see in here. lol
subbed!
dis gon be gud
is dat sum bounty thread?
...this never ends well...
Avoiding Broken Donation Promises
elliwigy said:
exactly! stop promising to donate to whoever does it first when you know more than half of you won't donate anything and reap the benefits...
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Idea: Everyone who posts on this thread is giving us their XDA ID info. When it comes time for all of us to "pay up" I'd be happy to post a Shame Page to let everyone know whose word is worthless.
P.S. I'm also good as exposing "bad people" because criminals routinely try to purchase my software, printers & MICR cartridges or use them to commit crimes so I regularly help law enforcement catch and convict them via my Criminal Alerts page
OK people, let me know what you think or offer your own ideas!
keeping y'all honest !
Here are the people who have promised to donate so far. Maybe they can remove their posts but they can't remove mine!
$20 weltwon
$20 xlGmanlx
$20 ilostmypistons
$25 digweed4me
$20 ehusidic
$20 expr
$35 humdrum2009
$160 Current Total
It's the HONOR SYSTEM. If you want the ROM and have any honor, post your $20 message below. I will continue updating the donors and total until we get the Ice Cream Sandwich ROM for our Galaxy S2 Epic 4G Touch!
Hi guys,
Seen some colored WhatsApp but have you seen this?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1471948
Don't know if it's been mentioned before over here but i felt like
Yorzua's work needed some attention, because it's to good to be
missed.
here's a link to his own website be sure to check his site because there's
a lot of material and info about Theming/Modding in there.
https://sites.google.com/site/androidbyyorzua/home/tutorials/become-a-themer
i am on his whatsapp mailing list as well, check it out his new screenshot page
the guy rocks and his website is best proof of his talent
temes in htc and samsung and
bootanim and
tutorials and
wallpaper and icons and
roms and
temes apps and
more
xda made a first page article of his last tuto and same day he was banned ?????
+10 for he is comin back, he is helped me a lot out there and for free O-o
where are the download links? even on his site I see no download here or something o_o
yes sadly he was banned for demanding a donation for his work..
no doubt his work is great and he is talented but demanding payments before he gives you downloads is sad pathetic and a bannable offense..
But i for one would like to see a come back that dont break the rules..
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where are the download links? even on his site I see no download here or something o_o
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On the bottom of his site rests his email adress just mail Yorzua, wait........
and see, you will be surprised.
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yes sadly he was banned for demanding a donation for his work..
no doubt his work is great and he is talented but demanding payments before he gives you downloads is sad pathetic and a bannable offense..
But i for one would like to see a come back that dont break the rules..
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Everyone deserves a second chance...
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Everyone deserves a second chance...
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Thats what i figured as well, but it seems the MOD's feel different
about this.'
To bad cause i for one installed not only Darkyorzua app but an
pritty need blue 3D-Gallery also made by Yorzua not only nice color themed but also very nicely animated when looking at your pictures.
don1bong said:
yes sadly he was banned for demanding a donation for his work..
no doubt his work is great and he is talented but demanding payments before he gives you downloads is sad pathetic and a bannable offense..
But i for one would like to see a come back that dont break the rules..
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banned for demanding donation ? where and how you know ?
he told in xda official page why he was banned 14 days... nothing to do with donations but maybe you could read more :
70% of members in xda or in other forums have a link to donate to them
95% of those members have nothing to offer except few critical feedback ...
pathetic and bannable offense ?
did you ask yorzua for a link ?
the last i got was the 7th mail with whatsapp updated 2.7.3657
even newest than the market version O-o
all for free and i never asked for that .. i even never doante ever to someone !
i am gonna send this link to rozua mail, hope you got shame to not offense him by begging his work, duuuuuudeeeeeee :/
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banned for demanding donation ? where and how you know ?
he told in xda official page why he was banned 14 days... nothing to do with donations but maybe you could read more :
70% of members in xda or in other forums have a link to donate to them
95% of those members have nothing to offer except few critical feedback ...
pathetic and bannable offense ?
did you ask yorzua for a link ?
the last i got was the 7th mail with whatsapp updated 2.7.3657
even newest than the market version O-o
all for free and i never asked for that .. i even never doante ever to someone !
i am gonna send this link to rozua mail, hope you got shame to not offense him by begging his work, duuuuuudeeeeeee :/
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I for one never seen anything about Yorzua demanding donations before you get a download.
Just a frendly email to him did the trick
Please all of you guys sending me pm's asking me for the apk,
Stop pming me, instead send an email to Yorzua about it.
I,m sure he will glady send you a copy as you ask for it TO HIM!
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Please all of you guys sending me pm's asking me for the apk,
Stop pming me, instead send an email to Yorzua about it.
I,m sure he will glady send you a copy as you ask for it TO HIM!
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+10 for Dirk, thank you bro for your words !
Same for me, tired to redirect all of your pm's asking for the apk....
this is best proof Yorzua had reason when closing threads and links...
People here are just interested on the work but not even hitting with a simple click on the T H A N K Button
... and worst, once they get the apk :
complaining about colors or complaining about donated version ( because the normal isnt yet sufficient )
TRUUULLLLYYYYYY PATETIC GUYS ... wonder why mods had banned the OP ... :/
Community Engagement on xda developers
Where has the spirit gone of developers, making something better for all.
We like to make our devices better then what "stock" brings us.
But some people seem to forget what we are doing here: Create & Share
Why do people think that the "Open Source" software we are modifying or hacking is theirs to claim or Copyright.
Why are we not sharing and making better what others create...
Has the spirit here really gone?
And do we just want FAME ! !
If I was to create an app and hack Android, HTC or Samsung software by re-writing and adding code to it.
If this took me hours to do, this is still "Open Source" and people can copy my code in to their work.
The devs here are all working in a "Grey" area, and it's really hard not to see your work else where.
Consider it as a compliment if it is that way.
It took Google, HTC & Samsung hours to create what they made, do we care, and not touch it...
I don't think so ! !
HTC encrypts the Sense software because they don't want people to modify it... Do we care?
I don't think so...
So why do people/devs here on xda think that they can claim it for themselves?
Why do other devs get banned, or threads get closed if something similar is published?
We all Kang from Google, HTC & Samsung, but if we use some code from our fellow devs on xda, are we doing something wrong?
I don't get this!
I would really like this to be an open discussion, and try to clear this up for all of us.
My intention is not to start a fight, so please reply in a civilized way.
This also not directed to anybody in person
I hope the XDA staff can put themselves in my/our position, and try to understand it from this point of view.
My thoughts 1 day later @ post 141
DutchDanny said:
After a full day on this thread, I got more response then what I expected.
Thank you all for your participation.
You took the time to read this and give your opinion.
You all made me grow in my opinion, and maybe even change it a bit
What did it bring me:
Sharing now is for me: Collectively Developing (tnx Hacre)
I have no problems in being wrong, and might not have picked the correct words in some parts.
HIS POST
Good explanation on how the staff thinks
Thanks to my friend Russ for his well spoken words
HIS POST - HIS POST
What is reasonable and what not.
Tnx Ben, my fellow team member got me thinking as well
HIS POST - HIS POST
What am I gonna do now
beside building a rom and a kernel....
Gonna dig even more in the smali code (tnx af974)
HIS POST - HIS POST
For me this discussion is finished... Tnx ALL I'm gonna move on...
If the staff thinks the same, lock it for reference.
Cheers
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The ETHOS of XDA-Developers
Back when I was a Senior Moderator, I was asked to put into words what the mythical Ethos of XDA-Developers was. This was then debated by the moderators, Administrators and owners, it was never formally adopted but it was accepted by most as the closest anyone had come to defining what XDA is (was).
Ethos: an English word based on a Greek word and denotes the guiding beliefs or ideals that characterize a community, a nation or an ideology.
XDA-Developers was founded on the simple principal that SHARING IS GOOD and when many people SHARE what they know, EVERYONE benefits. We exist upon this Ethos, we respect each other, we SHARE with each other, we do not judge one another and we HELP all who ask. We believe that while some may have more knowledge than another, none are more important.
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It pains me greatly to see how XDA has degraded over the years to become a playground of egos and pissing contests between little boys who think they own what they stole from someone else.
I have been a strong supporter of XDA for many, many years but, I find my desire to support XDA is waning as the climate of sharing and camaraderie shift toward a climate of ownership and entitlement.
agreed so many phones left behind due to ego and epeen ppl always bailing on phones just because its not popular it takes work to get publicity ...
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it was the same issues on the galaxy s2. people kanging others and people getting annoyed and ending up releasing stuff with the exclusivity and banning others from using it.
android is an open source at the end of the day. if someone wants to kang someone as long as credits are given and links to the originator's thread what is wrong with that? at the end of the day it should be a compliment to the originator that someone wants to kang your work and share it with the masses.
now i can understand if someone passes something over as their own and did not give credits. that is wrong and the culprits should be banned. but as stated above if proper credits are given then i do not see the harm in things.
but again on the flip side though if i was to spend hours and hours on something then the person who asks me for permission they should respect that i do not want to share...it kinda goes both ways really so it is hard to judge...but there are devs and themers included who act like real divas and most of the time now they do things for fame as Danny mentioned.
at the end of the day we are xda and we are here as a community and here to make our phones better and that is why the devs on this awesome site come in...devs should be sharing ideas together..not competing against each other
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Not sure we are talking about the same thing here my friend, its a much more important subject, sharing, the main reason XDA exists (or so I thought)
btw, thanked u when i was trying to quote ya, oh well, Ill share some love
There is really no better way to say it as both Danny and Russ summarized it very well. We are all here for one reason and one reason only, to SHARE. Isnt this what the "community" is about? I just hope the admins take a moment and reevaluate some of the people with powers around.
Ah before I forget, if you are gonna patent your "ideas" I really think its time for you to get a hold of apple, you already qualified with this mentality and in MY opinion, you do NOT belong here.
OK done venting... Thank u for listening.
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Not sure we are talking about the same thing here my friend, its a much more important subject, sharing, the main reason XDA exists (or so I thought)
btw, thanked u when i was trying to quote ya, oh well, Ill share some love
There is really no better way to say it as both Danny and Russ summarized it very well. We are all here for one reason and one reason only, to SHARE. Isnt this what the "community" is about? I just hope the admins take a moment and reevaluate some of the people with powers around.
Ah before I forget, if you are gonna patent your "ideas" I really think its time for you to get a hold of apple, you already qualified with this mentality and in MY opinion, you do NOT belong here.
OK done venting... Thank u for listening.
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oh trust me it happens in other forums as well. sometimes xda favors those who they want to favor and do not pay any attention to the other party and they side with those who they want to side with..it looks like politics sometimes and whoever is the topdog here should re-valuate the way the mods run the show here.
But the other thing though is devs who do not want to share there work, the dev who asked for permission and got knocked back should respect the other dev's decision. like i said at my post above it goes both ways. we can share but we can also not share as well....it is a difficult scenario really...but kanging and not getting permission is wrong
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oh trust me it happens in other forums as well. sometimes xda favors those who they want to favor and do not pay any attention to the other party and they side with those who they want to side with..it looks like politics sometimes and whoever is the topdog here should re-valuate the way the mods run the show here.
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Thats an other part of the discussion...
Who has the best friends here at XDA will win...
And those discussions are behind close doors.. As it would be better to show the "community" how they come to a decision.
And my post did not come out off the blue, but got me thinking on thinks that happend somewhere this week...
and made me a bit mad and disappointed @ xda
And I see a lot of people pushing the "thanks" button.. but I would like them to reply even more (hint xda staff )
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Thats an other part of the discussion...
Who has the best friends here at XDA will win...
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ahh mate that is so true. but not going to get into that. things should stay private specially between devs and mods. but sometimes us normal members like me would like to know what goes on though cause at the end of the day all this pickering effects the users of the roms cause we are the ones who miss out on class roms...so sometimes acting like kids is not always the best way to go about.
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ahh mate that is so true. but not going to get into that. things should stay private specially between devs and mods. but sometimes us normal members like me would like to know what goes on though cause at the end of the day all this pickering effects the users of the roms cause we are the ones who miss out on class roms...so sometimes acting like kids is not always the best way to go about.
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I would not wanna see the whole discussion, but they could publish the outcome in the thread(s) involved. So the community knows what happend and why.
And if all devs did share, the users would have even more choice to pick from.
And if all devs did share, the hack/tweak would only get better/bigger.
Here is my view on it.... we all agree that the spirit of XDA is about sharing. So if a certain person has spent many hours on programming/creating something and refuses to share it... why post it on XDA in the first place. I just don't get it, because in my eyes that's something small children do when one has something better than the others and refuses to share.
If you want to go 'look at what I've done, isn't it good, aren't I good?' And then go 'but you can't use it, because if you do I'm going to throw a tantrum...' Don't post it on XDA... somewhere, where the main rule is about sharing what you've done.
Just my opinion
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One of the main reason why I choose android is because of the openess of it. The reason why I'm in XDA is because of some great devs/hackers who spend time creating something wonderful and share it with the community without expecting anything in return. I really hope it stays that way.
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I would not wanna see the whole discussion, but they could publish the outcome in the thread(s) involved. So the community knows what happend and why.
And if all devs did share, the users would have even more choice to pick from.
And if all devs did share, the hack/tweak would only get better/bigger.
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DutchDanny, I know what happened this week, and believe me: I feel for you (at least in the part of permissions). If you try to ask some devs for permission to use their work, you don't get any answers, if you don't, they cry murder and let xda infract you. That can't be right in the long run. I've been around some years and xda was always about using other peoples work and build upon it (be it companies' work like HTC or Google, or other devs' work). But unfortunately that has changed in the last year or so. I have no problem with the fact that devs want to know who uses their work and for what and that a dev demands being credited for the use of his work. But I have a problem with the fact that some devs/themers/modders can prohibit the use of their work for others. When they claim copyright on that work, they should be reminded that they broke the copyright of numerous other ppl by simply creating their work.
So in my humble opinion, xda MUST change it's sharing policy.
My suggestion: People that want to use the official titles of recognized developers or themers should officially put all work they release on xda into public domain from the moment they release it (under the condition of being credited for it by everybody who uses it). Being RD or RT also includes some rules for conduct, and that sharing policy should be a part of that.
just my 2ct.
jotha said:
DutchDanny, I know what happened this week, and believe me: I feel for you. If you try to ask some devs for permission to use their work, you don't get any answers, if you don't, they cry murder and let xda infract you. That can't be right in the long run. I've been around some years and xda was always about using other peoples work and build upon it (be it companies' work like HTC or Google, or other devs' work). But unfortunately that has changed in the last year or so. I have no problem with the fact that devs want to know who uses their work and for what and that a dev demands being credited for the use of his work. But I have a problem with the fact that some devs/themers/modders can prohibit the use of their work for others. When they claim copyright on that work, they should be reminded that they broke the copyright of numerous other ppl by simply creating their work.
So in my humble opinion, xda MUST change it's sharing policy.
My suggestion: People that want to use the official titles of recognized developers or themers should officially put all work they release on xda into public domain from the moment they release it (under the condition of being credited for it by everybody who uses it). Being RD or RT also includes some rules for conduct, and that sharing policy should be a part of that.
just my 2ct.
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I know you and me never saw eye to eye but you could not have put it any better. Well written post.
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In part i agree but in part nope.
The real fault is by people that have no respect for other people or developers, take this little example:
User A make a rom, some smali changes, some scripts, some apps, a good room in the end.
It comes user B and say " uhm, nice rom but if i'll delete these 2 apk from it then it will be perfect"
So it do that, make thread and people enjoy his work claiming that his rom is better then user A.....
And?? Where is Development? No way, 7zip isn't a tool that can be said for development and the site name is pretty clear, it is not XDAKangers or XDA-ctrl&C/ctrl&V.
Don't get me wrong i'm all for sharing but some people think that sharing means just grab it and use it and the real problem aren't the mods but n00bs that don't know what is the respect for other developers.......that's whay so many thread are closed by mods.
Different story is when a Recognized Developer refuse to give permissions to use his work to another RD or another well know senior member, this should be changed.
I have to agree with the the majority so far, it does seem against the open source culture in which XDA tries to foster.
It does seem with the increase in "kanging" it creates a conundrum for Mods & Admins as to how to manage this, Do we enforce sharing? Do we try to create our own sort of "patent" system in which certain things must be shared under a so called "fair" use and other items such as themes for example be left under the current system we have as present?
We need to find a consensus amongst us as a community with a right way to proceed with this maybe danny could add a poll this to garner opinion on weather people would like to keep the current system or change it to get some sort of indication on weather the current system is working or not.
jotha said:
DutchDanny, I know what happened this week, and believe me: I feel for you. If you try to ask some devs for permission to use their work, you don't get any answers, if you don't, they cry murder and let xda infract you. That can't be right in the long run. I've been around some years and xda was always about using other peoples work and build upon it (be it companies' work like HTC or Google, or other devs' work). But unfortunately that has changed in the last year or so. I have no problem with the fact that devs want to know who uses their work and for what and that a dev demands being credited for the use of his work. But I have a problem with the fact that some devs/themers/modders can prohibit the use of their work for others. When they claim copyright on that work, they should be reminded that they broke the copyright of numerous other ppl by simply creating their work.
So in my humble opinion, xda MUST change it's sharing policy.
My suggestion: People that want to use the official titles of recognized developers or themers should officially put all work they release on xda into public domain from the moment they release it (under the condition of being credited for it by everybody who uses it). Being RD or RT also includes some rules for conduct, and that sharing policy should be a part of that.
just my 2ct.
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I think you have a real good point there.
All that is released on XDA is under sharing policy.
And not to be claimed.
Credits are the least we could do...
btw: noting happend to me, but to members close to me.. But thanks
af974 said:
In part i agree but in part nope.
The real fault is by people that have no respect for other people or developers, take this little example:
User A make a rom, some smali changes, some scripts, some apps, a good room in the end.
It comes user B and say " uhm, nice rom but if i'll delete these 2 apk from it then it will be perfect"
So it do that, make thread and people enjoy his work claiming that his rom is better then user A.....
And?? Where is Development? No way, 7zip isn't a tool that can be said for development and the site name is pretty clear, it is not XDAKangers or XDA-ctrl&C/ctrl&V.
Don't get me wrong i'm all for sharing but some people think that sharing means just grab it and use it and the real problem aren't the mods but n00bs that don't know what is the respect for other developers.......that's whay so many thread are closed by mods.
Different story is when a Recognized Developer refuse to give permissions to use his work to another RD or another well know senior member, this should be changed.
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Please take this in consideration, cause this is what made me mad on xda for the decission it made this week, and what made me start this open discussion.
af974 said:
In part i agree but in part nope.
The real fault is by people that have no respect for other people or developers, take this little example:
User A make a rom, some smali changes, some scripts, some apps, a good room in the end.
It comes user B and say " uhm, nice rom but if i'll delete these 2 apk from it then it will be perfect"
So it do that, make thread and people enjoy his work claiming that his rom is better then user A.....
And?? Where is Development? No way, 7zip isn't a tool that can be said for development and the site name is pretty clear, it is not XDAKangers or XDA-ctrl&C/ctrl&V.
Don't get me wrong i'm all for sharing but some people think that sharing means just grab it and use it and the real problem aren't the mods but n00bs that don't know what is the respect for other developers.......that's whay so many thread are closed by mods.
Different story is when a Recognized Developer refuse to give permissions to use his work to another RD or another well know senior member, this should be changed.
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Very well said, but to stay in your example, couldn't it be that the rom WITHOUT the two apk's is really "better" (in the sense of "more popular") than the original? And as long as the creator of that second version stats in his OP the he took the complete work of dev 1 and streamlined it, shouldn't that be enough?
You are absolutely right. The problem really is that some (more and more) guys lack that deserved respect for developers and just don't credit the source, thus pi... off the creator and making him "close" the source, thus restraining true development (if only by removing two apk ). The way to ensure a "fair use" should be discussed and finally fixed. Staying with the situation we have now, that ppl can keep others from using their bits more or less deliberately, maybe just because they don't like their "nose", can't be right. If there are good reasons (history of kanging or whatever), thats something else again.
I'm very sorry, cause I'm not a real dev or themer or contributor, just a young Andoid user and member who's integrated one team after pass sometime to found or help others xda members.
Why I came here on xda site. I'm french, my english is average, but some french forums bored me, that's why I came here, for all that @danny, @russ try to explain in this thread.
And since a couple of time, all of this spirit is gone. For what ?
Money, glory, respect...maybe? But I think not for the last term.
I am here because I want to share and help other members.
But also and because the eco-system Android allows this exchange and to move forward development for the pleasure of all.
Then stop, stop theses local wars and let yours feets on earth.
If you want to make some money, don't diffuse your codes, I think it's not necessary to stay here. Open your site and nobody will be able to take your codes.
Thanks for your listening
Here are my feelings on it.
What has angered me with certain attitudes towards sharing in xda recently, is that it seems to have been initially offered, then retracted. We are given a taste, then told "no more, go make your own". Was the plan to hook us like junkies, then we'd all only have one place to run to for our "fix"? Then when we are all hooked, the price goes up? No more freedom. Only one choice. Is that how you should gain followers on xda? I think we've been treated like guinea pigs then discarded. Permission is withdrawn, refused, then terms like "respect" get banded about. Don't treat us like this.
So we break free. Start from fresh. We are off the hook. Clean. But someone doesn't like us off the hook, pushing our own "product" and, worried about some false notion of competition or turf invasion, goes to lengths to make sure there is only one messiah.
Except this isn't a competition. We are not rivals in different factions or tribes or gangs depending on what Rom we choose to get involved with. We should not be in it for glory, or to be the "Big Dog" whose Rom is forbidden fruit to be envied by those who choose to wear the wrong colors. We are not looking to amass the biggest army as a mark of our success.
Why has this gotten this far? Without getting bogged down in the legalities of open source and gpl, I just think some people in high places need to take a step back. Stop and think. Where do you draw the line between keeping healthy community, encouraging development, and simply looking after your "homies"?
I feel this line is currently drawn in the wrong place. And it didn't use to be.
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There does need to be a clear consensus and line drawn, so we can all ensure that the rules are clear and followed.
That being said; I, like many agree but also disagree.
Sharing here is much like in a store; you as a consumer have a choice. Now albeit here we do not pay for your 'goods' we do still take certain risks(warranty's etc). Now, XDA is also about offering choice so if the sharing policy extends to the point that we can take everything then what choice will be left. Much like you see everywhere on XDA choice is being eliminated everywhere as more builds are essentially the same but for a few wallpapers and tweaks in the build.prop which quite frankly ruins the whole point of having choice and there being more than one available.
Fair enough if someone has spent hours/days/weeks making something and shares it here but that shouldn't automatically then mean that every other 'dev' can bang it in theirs. All they have to do it ctrl+c, ctrl+v the thing after all your hard spent effort on it. The developer should be allowed to be proud of their work and it not to be diluted with it being everywhere. Yes I think we should help, share and combine efforts but if you have improved something and don't wish to share it then fair enough there is no law to state you have to and should someone effectively plagiarise your work then there should be punishments.
If I ask someone for something I would like and they say no, then I go get it myself or do without. I don't just take it anyway, that's what babies do when they don't understand the laws of society which even apply when you are online.
That's my input.