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FoYo OTA update - what's going to happen?

I've spent a long time with smartphones but I've never had an OTA ROM update before and thought it might be useful if those in the know could give us an idea of what to expect.
I assume that as with wired ROM updates of yore I should expect to be in a hard reset situation post update - all content, data, apps etc will need reinstalling - is this correct?
If so will I have to set the phone up from scratch again (with my gmail account details etc) reinstall all my apps one by one from the Market, resync all my data and painstakingly set up all my home screens / scenes by hand etc?
Or is it not as bad as all that / is there a smarter way to prepare for this?

Well I'm not personally sure on how Android updates work (I personally think it probably does 'hard reset'), but I know that if you have HTCs backup feature running, it saves all your important stuff - Scenes, wifi info, bookmarks, text messages, gmail info etc.
Hope that helps.

Well if that works it helps but would rather have a belt and braces ready in case it doesn't..
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Mark One said:
Well if that works it helps but would rather have a belt and braces ready in case it doesn't..
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Fair enough lol. Well I think you can sync to the PC for your Outlook stuff, but there are also apps in the Market that do what you are looking for, but I have no idea what they're called, or which one to choose, sorry.

All, a few weeks ago an update come down that killed the Wifi on unbranded T-Mobile and Orange UK phones. The T-Mobile fix was simple enough but the Orange phones got SIM locked and needed unlocking, sometimes at a cost.
What steps should we take when this update comes? Is there a way to get my unbranded T-Mobile Desire back to it's T-Mobile ROM?

I would take the advise given by the iphone dev-team, which is to old off on the official update until the devs have looked and ensured it won't cause problems. If there is an official OTA, it will be a matter of hours before the dev get their hands on it and release a custom version, that will not cause issues with return your phone to branded/network locked. Pacience is a virtue
If you want to return to stock and don't mind being locked, there is a guide in the dev forum for returning your phone to stock.
with regards to backup I would recommend titanium backup, it's great for backing up all settings and apps.

Since my phone is rooted, what ROM should I use to get OTA update?
Or I will need to switch back to stock ROM to get it?

I dont imagine your settings to be lost, i would imagine, system update, reboot and its version 2.2 but like with most roms etc a hard reset recommended? obviously backing up your settings is advised like with all updates

benko286 said:
Since my phone is rooted, what ROM should I use to get OTA update?
Or I will need to switch back to stock ROM to get it?
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I would assume when you flash the OTA ROM it will return your phone to stock and remove root. You be better off holding off for a day or so to let the dev's do there thang.

So - seems we've established that the OTA update will reset everything on the device.
DPK suggests that the HTC backup feature will restore everything - can anyone confirm that this includes:
Apps
Scenes / Homescreen layouts
Accounts - core Google account / Gmail accounts / POP3 accounts
Network configuration - O2 / Voda settings etc
WiFi settings - access details for all the hotspots I have signed on to
Data - email / contacts / calendar etc
It's taken a couple of months for me to get the Desire exactly how I want it and all works well so I'm not convinced I'm even going to want to update - but if I do / it is thrust upon me it would be good to know how Android manages this process.
If anyone has any "from experience" answers ....

I have My Backup Pro installed but in the WM world it was never a good idea to use backed up apps - a full reinstall was best practice. Not sure if this applies to android.
Quite surprised that everyone seems happy to just suck it and see though - the move to Android does seem to require a degree of "abandon all control" that I wasn't expecting ....

Mark One said:
So - seems we've established that the OTA update will reset everything on the device.
DPK suggests that the HTC backup feature will restore everything - can anyone confirm that this includes:
Apps
Scenes / Homescreen layouts
Accounts - core Google account / Gmail accounts / POP3 accounts
Network configuration - O2 / Voda settings etc
WiFi settings - access details for all the hotspots I have signed on to
Data - email / contacts / calendar etc
It's taken a couple of months for me to get the Desire exactly how I want it and all works well so I'm not convinced I'm even going to want to update - but if I do / it is thrust upon me it would be good to know how Android manages this process.
If anyone has any "from experience" answers ....
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The HTC backup feature is pretty rubbish, it will only backup your user data, IE bookmarks, SMS, contact, network settings, wifi settings etc..
It doesn't backup you applications, sense homescreen layout (you don't even have access to your saved layout, which really defeats the object of that feature), mail accounts.
For application backup titanium is brilliant, though settings aren't always portable between different ROM due to the changes that entail in a new build.
This is the same for most phone OTA updates, I've had them in the past and it will cause problems with existing software.
Hope this advise is helpful.

doesn't astro backup your apps and other stuff?

Thanks koolaid, so as i suspected its back to square 1. Real bummer about scenes though.
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Question about Factory Wipe after installing ROM

When I do a factory wipe after installing my ROMs, what's going to happen to my program's settings?
The main one I'm concerned about is Shazam. I got it before they added the new paid service, and I don't want to lose this unlimited service I had before the change.
I've been wanting to factory wipe my phone after I installed the latest leaked OTA update (with root and deodexed), but I'm a little bit hesitant to do so because of this.
EDIT: I mean full wipe, not factory wipe.

nobody knows the answer to this?

Well, I decided to try E-Mailing Shazam themselves, and before they replied, I got back an E-Mail with a list of FAQs. Two of which answered my question above, and should be helpful to any of you who are wondering the same thing:
Will I retain my unlimited tagging functionality if I update my application? (Android)
If you installed and ran the application on your device prior to 13/07, you will retain your unlimited functionality after upgrading your application, uninstalling/reinstalling the app or reloading your handset OS. (Your status is tied to your device's IMEI/MEID, and your the payment status page will display 'Paid' - you will not be charged, this refers to your application's 'state'). Please note that a 'Grandfathered' unlimited/free application cannot be transferred to any subsequent new handsets.
New users will be limited to 5 free tags per month after the 7 day free trial expires - for example, if all free tags were to be used on the 20th of the month, the user would have to wait until the 20th of the following month to tag again. At no point will a user be charged per tag request made. Should a new user wish to tag without limits, they can upgrade to Shazam Encore which costs £2.99, and this is a one-off charge.
I've received a new Android handset, can I transfer my unlimited app to my new handset?
The unlimited/free app can only be retained on your existing handset (or more specifically, your previous handset's IMEI/MEID which had Shazam installed and and used prior to 13/07/2010) - it cannot be transferred to any subsequent handsets. We're also unable to directly distribute the software.

Ugh - @WinPhoneSupport: "We'd suggest restoring your backup ..."

Well, first of all hello to everyone! I am new in here but have been visiting XDA for a pretty long time now.
Now with the introduction aside, let me get to my issue.
I don't know if you have noticed some problems with non-working live tiles of apps pinned at the home screen, the inability to connect to messaging (Live Messenger, Facebook chat) or other general problems.
Well, I contacted @WinPhoneSupport (as well as many, many other people) to report two problems (the first two mentioned above) that I'm currently experiencing. I was advised by them to restart my phone and then pull my battery for at least two minutes in order to see what happens. So, I left my battery out overnight but my problems weren't fixed.
I was told then to restore my backup and reinstall Mango
After thinking about it for some hours, I thought it would be better to start over again by doing a factory reset but then I suddenly remembered that some things I care about were not saved in the Zune "backup" so now I'm stuck again with the problem.
So, I am now in a dilemma; should I just reset my phone and go my way up till Mango from RTM? If so, is there some homebrew that could save data which is not saved by Zune? I'm interested on saving some ringtones (not available anywhere else!) I downloaded from the Insider app. [ I was considereing using the Windows Phone Device Manager but it can't identified my phone (dev unlocked). ]
or
Is there any way I could possibly fix the "Can't connect to see who's online" error message in Messaging?
I appreciate any help you can provide to my problem.

A factory reset will do. I did it and it was restores to mango, not the pre mango state. Live tiles etc works well after that.
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astroXP said:
Well, first of all hello to everyone! I am new in here but have been visiting XDA for a pretty long time now.
Now with the introduction aside, let me get to my issue.
I don't know if you have noticed some problems with non-working live tiles of apps pinned at the home screen, the inability to connect to messaging (Live Messenger, Facebook chat) or other general problems.
Well, I contacted @WinPhoneSupport (as well as many, many other people) to report two problems (the first two mentioned above) that I'm currently experiencing. I was advised by them to restart my phone and then pull my battery for at least two minutes in order to see what happens. So, I left my battery out overnight but my problems weren't fixed.
I was told then to restore my backup and reinstall Mango
After thinking about it for some hours, I thought it would be better to start over again by doing a factory reset but then I suddenly remembered that some things I care about were not saved in the Zune "backup" so now I'm stuck again with the problem.
So, I am now in a dilemma; should I just reset my phone and go my way up till Mango from RTM? If so, is there some homebrew that could save data which is not saved by Zune? I'm interested on saving some ringtones (not available anywhere else!) I downloaded from the Insider app. [ I was considereing using the Windows Phone Device Manager but it can't identified my phone (dev unlocked). ]
or
Is there any way I could possibly fix the "Can't connect to see who's online" error message in Messaging?
I appreciate any help you can provide to my problem.
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I would advise you to reconsider if there is any data that you would like to keep or unwilling to drop before doing any reset...

weijoon said:
I would advise you to reconsider if there is any data that you would like to keep or unwilling to drop before doing any reset...
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Yes, there's information I would like to keep but I don't know how
For example:
I downloaded 5 ringtones from the "Insider" app, at first I thought Zune would sync them into the Music folder (PC) but that was not the case.
There are a few SMS I would like to keep, they're not that important but it'd be nice to have 'em.
I suppose there's nothing I can do to save my game scores.
I think that's it, I can't remember of anything else Zune hasn't already save on my PC.
I know I could use Windows Phone Device Manager but I can't get it to work. (Yes, my phone it's dev unlocked)

You can try to copy your sms to a word document and upload it to skydrive. But you won't be able to import them back into messaging hub. As for gamescores, only XBOX live games will be saved.

They really need to alter the way Zune does backups. I have some live tiles that wont function but i'll be damned if i have to reset and they install all of my apps and tile locations again.

@morpheuszg That's a good idea, simple but that'll do it
And yes! MSFT gotta do something with Zune when it comes to backing up
Does anyone know whether Windows Phone Device Manager can access the ringtone folder in WP7 and if it's Mango ready?

None of your games progress will be saved, including Xbox Live games. What you wont lose are the achievements you've already unlocked, but you will have to play those games again from the beginning if you havent finished them already.
Best thing you could do is finish whatever games you want, forward your sms's to another phone where you can send them back again (or copy to word as suggested). I have pinged Joe Belfiore & Brandon Watson several times on twitter about the lack of proper backup, add your voice as well because it really is a disgrace that there is no way to backup data we care about, on the phone that is supposed to be all about the people and things we care about.

[Q] Activation Code on Lumia 900 - Not Requested?

I just got a new Lumia 900 (I love it!). To my surprise, While setting it up, I was not asked for the activation code (on another phone, it was always asked, and the one associated with my live account was always accepted). Is this normal? the fact is that I can get to the market place, download apps, but whenever I try to get to my account settings on the windowsphone web site, an error ("ooops, cannot go to this page presently, try later...") comes up, so I cannot reinstall the apps I had purchased previously (through the web page or the Reinstaller app).
Again, is this normal? if not, What can I do to have access to my old apps? thank you

J Fortes said:
I just got a new Lumia 900 (I love it!). To my surprise, While setting it up, I was not asked for the activation code (on another phone, it was always asked, and the one associated with my live account was always accepted). Is this normal? the fact is that I can get to the market place, download apps, but whenever I try to get to my account settings on the windowsphone web site, an error ("ooops, cannot go to this page presently, try later...") comes up, so I cannot reinstall the apps I had purchased previously (through the web page or the Reinstaller app).
Again, is this normal? if not, What can I do to have access to my old apps? thank you
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i am using Lumia 900 and i moved from HD7 to this, just used my Windows Live ID, did not ask me any activation code???? i am in singapore...
And i LOVE this phone as well, best phone ever..

WP7 phones typically do not ask for activation code unless something goes wrong with your live ID. I have never been asked any activation code for all four of my WP7 phones.

nice
nice live....

I don't think they allow re-download paid apps onto another phone (which literally means you paid once for two users).

yaiba60 said:
I don't think they allow re-download paid apps onto another phone (which literally means you paid once for two users).
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They do. IIRC, it is up to 5 phones at the same time. They all have to sign in to the same Live ID which means you have to share live contacts, calendar and email among those phones. Android is the similar (not sure about iOS but it probably is the same).

Correct. For the OP, hard reset your phone and try again. Login with the same Windows ID you used to download/purchase the apps the first tine and they will all be available.
Btw, for paid apps, there will be an option to purchase. Don't be afraid to click it. If you previously purchased the app, it will ask if you want to redownload. If you didn't purchase previously, if will ask you to confirm.
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Any way to backup SMS without unlock?

Hey all,
I just picked up an 8X last night and have donated my Focus S to my mother (I had to get her off that damn LG flip-phone!). That's great, I have her SIM activated and the handset is ready to be wiped... Except for a "few" important things.
I have approximately 9000 messages with one person, that if I would do anything in the world to keep.. The only problem is my phone is tango'd with the Samsung LE2 update... So I can't interop/root anymore.
Is there any way at all to...?
a) backup SMS
b) extract SMS from a Zune backup
Going through and copying these messages one by one is impractical, and I don't think I'll be doing it.
Any help here would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Mitchell

64GUNSHIP said:
Hey all,
I just picked up an 8X last night and have donated my Focus S to my mother (I had to get her off that damn LG flip-phone!). That's great, I have her SIM activated and the handset is ready to be wiped... Except for a "few" important things.
I have approximately 9000 messages with one person, that if I would do anything in the world to keep.. The only problem is my phone is tango'd with the Samsung LE2 update... So I can't interop/root anymore.
Is there any way at all to...?
a) backup SMS
b) extract SMS from a Zune backup
Going through and copying these messages one by one is impractical, and I don't think I'll be doing it.
Any help here would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Mitchell
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in short, no, there isn't
when you say you cant interop unlock it anymore to you mean you had it interop unlocked and you mistakenly updated it or was it always locked?
im asking because if you did have it working then the provxml data is already installed unless you hardreset it as well, I don't know for sure but if its still there, try interop unlocking again by using the Diagnosis app dial: *#9908#

I had it interop unlocked but eventually there was just so many conflicts after installing the update that I factory reset. Before resetting I tried to apply the provxml method, but it would never actually work...
I'm in the process of taking some few thousand pictures of the important messages and then I'll be on my merry way with WP8