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Am I the only one to think that WM7 will suck?

http://pocketnow.com/tech-news/mix10-microsoft-cuts-copy-paste-feature-from-windows-phone-7-series
http://pocketnow.com/tech-news/mix1...have-a-file-manager-nor-usb-mass-storage-mode
http://pocketnow.com/tech-news/microsoft-no-windows-mobile-compatibility-on-windows-phone-7-series
http://pocketnow.com/tech-news/mix10-windows-phone-7-series-apps-will-use-new-different-drm
Is it just me, or Windows Mobile 7 will SUCK big time? It seems to me, as far as i've been reading and searching the web that microsoft is following apples way with the iphone on the new upcoming os. Where have they lost their head? ???
I don't know about you folks, but in the near future i will be buying myself an HD2 with good old WM 6.x.x. Makes sense to me! spending so much on a phone, at least it has to let me copy and paste at my own will!

MS gone Apple
Looks like WinMo7 is MS's attempt to copy everything that make the iPhone suck. If I wanted an iPhone, I would have bought an iPhone. My next one will probably be an Android.

no as time goes on i start to think that more & more but im sure as soon as i see a new video on it im prolly gonna want it again

I'm glad to read this, that at least someone has the same thoughts as mine. I really don't think WP7 will be as successful as Android OS, BB OS or even iPhone OS.

FYI it appears copy and paste will be in the RTM or most likely added shortly after.
To be fair Microsoft is trying to cater to a less advanced audience then the typical XDA user, so in that sense it may do well. From the XDA perspective as long as it gets rooted/jailbreaked/whatever, that isn't terribly different then flashing a HSPL and a custom rom. My only dislike is the lack of storage card, hopefully they will let up on this issue. The SDK is only managed code, this makes programs in general less dangerous and quicker to develop. On the other hand you loose the nitty gritty features XDA users love. Though I imagine having the phone rooted makes both of those points moot. At least you are not one of the people yammering how they are jumping ship to xxxxxx. The OS isn't RTM yet and the gurus haven't touched let a lone disabled all the sandboxing on any WMS7 phones. I somehow doubt the current windows mobile users on here griping are using a stock rom.

Theres no way WP7S will suck! This thread is pretty much useless pointing out on things which others have pointed out in 100 of such threads!

johnlujl123 said:
I'm glad to read this, that at least someone has the same thoughts as mine. I really don't think WP7 will be as successful as Android OS, BB OS or even iPhone OS.
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well at the moment Android isn't very wide-spread! Windows Mobile still got a bigger marketshare. But Google is great in making people use their products so we'll see in two years who will be at the top: WP7 or Android.
iPhone what?

The major issue i see with WP7S is no removable storage.
When the system gets taken apart, all of the other features we are missing (task manager, file system access, multitasking etc) will get put back in by XDA.
But... no removable storage is a biggie...
The problem is... there will be no manufacturers making WP7S devices that have micro sd card slots. Why would they?

Ev0luti0n_ said:
Is it just me, or Windows Mobile 7 will SUCK big time?...
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Windows Mobile 7 did suck, that's why it got dropped for Windows Phone 7 Series
I believe eventually, Blackberry, iPhone and WP7 will be the top smartphone OS (in US) with Android going the way of WM with a small marketshare. Perhaps Android will catch WM one day now that WM was sent to pasture.
Any smartphone without a great ecosystem and super friendly OS will fail to compete with the "big boys"

I prefer not having my storage removable. I never take the card out of the phone anyway, and I hate having to decide where to put everything.
Do I put stuff on the card to preserve memory? Or in memory for speed?
If a phone ships with 8, 16 or 32GB of onboard memory, such concerns become moot, it's all one big lump of storage. This is probably why Microsoft haven't added the functionality to the Marketplace to put software onto the card - there won't BE a card in WP7S. Not only that, developers will be able to rely on the fact there'll be plenty of storage available for their games or whatever. Currently, as cards are optional, the only thing they can rely on is a couple hundred megs of RAM and that's it. So in the end I think this decision had to be made. Your average punter hates having to splash out on a memory card after spending £400-500 on a phone with virtually no storage. It is pretty silly. It would be like purchasing a laptop without a hard drive.
In any case, thus far at least, card storage capacities have not outstripped the onboard memory size of phones such as the iPhone. iPhone has 32GB on board, twice what my HD2 has.
Honestly, how many ordinary users do you think really want to faff around with memory cards? It's been nothing but a hassle for me.

Jim Coleman said:
Honestly, how many ordinary users do you think really want to faff around with memory cards? It's been nothing but a hassle for me.
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This is true... your average punter would think that removable storage is nothing but extra hassle.
However... when your phone goes tits up and you lose all of your files because you didnt have a backup, the advantage of removable storage becomes abundantly clear.
I for one would rather simply take my micro sd card out of the phone and place it directly into another device to get instantly up and running again.

Yes but it won't be an advantage with WP7 anyway as it won't have file system access and you won't be able to take programs installed on that card from one phone and simply plug it into another. So in WP7 as it is now storage cards are nothing but a hassle.

vangrieg said:
Yes but it won't be an advantage with WP7 anyway as it won't have file system access and you won't be able to take programs installed on that card from one phone and simply plug it into another. So in WP7 as it is now storage cards are nothing but a hassle.
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Ah... but you sort of missed the point of my first post....
what i am saying is.... eventually, WP7S will be taken apart and file system access would be possible. So would installing apps outside of the microsoft marketplace.
Therefore... removable storage becomes extremely useful once more,... but there would be no devices running wp7s that actually have micro sd slots.
Forget looking at wp7s as it is now (shockingly bad)... im looking towards the future somewhat...

I hope they put 32 and 64gb chips in phones and not all go with the 8gb minimum.

Kloc said:
I hope they put 32 and 64gb chips in phones and not all go with the 8gb minimum.
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At least one manufacturer will, just to stand out amidst the crowd.

Musicman247 said:
At least one manufacturer will, just to stand out amidst the crowd.
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Well let me go a little further. I hope HTC puts 32 or 64GB chips in a phone. I hope such phone has a slide out keyboard, and comes to TMO USA.

Audio Oblivion said:
what i am saying is.... eventually, WP7S will be taken apart and file system access would be possible. So would installing apps outside of the microsoft marketplace.
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No doubt about it, but you can't expect MS to cater to that, can you? Me, I will miss SD card if I do switch to WP7, but built-in flash has its benefits as well, it's faster, actually. I need to be able to copy files there though.

Kloc said:
Well let me go a little further. I hope HTC puts 32 or 64GB chips in a phone. I hope such phone has a slide out keyboard, and comes to TMO USA.
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And it needs to be super thin.
AND, it needs to come to Sprint.

vangrieg; said:
No doubt about it, but you can't expect MS to cater to that, can you? Me, I will miss SD card if I do switch to WP7, but built-in flash has its benefits as well, it's faster, actually. I need to be able to copy files there though.
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You should still be able to files to and from wp7s although it does not use any storage card. I do that with iPhone now and there's no reason to think it will be any different here.

You can do it on the iPhone after jailbreaking. Without it you can only transfer certain types via sync interfaces. And then you cannot choose which application will use those files.

No SD card access, No Swype?? Steve Balmer is sceretly working for Apple!

I mean c'mon!! some of the most elementary things that made WM great, Balmer is ripping out of our arms!
I'm starting to feel like if I'm going to get an HD7, I may as well just go get the iphone...& I HATE the iphone!

Are you an idiot? There is removable storage. Why do you need to access the SD?
As for Swype... the integrated keyboard in WP7 is brilliant, there's no need for it. We're not using Android here.

owenw said:
Are you an idiot? There is removable storage. Why do you need to access the SD?
As for Swype... the integrated keyboard in WP7 is brilliant, there's no need for it. We're not using Android here.
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Actually, you must be the idiot! If you remove/change the SD card, you void the warrantee!
As for Swype, it was included on the HD2 & if I like that is my business! If it was available on 6.5 it should be easy enough to include on WP7. Why should I have to completely change the way I have been used to typing for almost a year?
Do your research before you throw the "idiot" term around, you end up looking like a bigger one than you accused me of being!

MadLinx said:
Actually, you must be the idiot! If you remove/change the SD card, you void the warrantee!
As for Swype, it was included on the HD2 & if I like that is my business! If it was available on 6.5 it should be easy enough to include on WP7. Why should I have to completely change the way I have been used to typing for almost a year?
Do your research before you throw the "idiot" term around, you end up looking like a bigger one than you accused me of being!
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Wrong again champ. You can remove the update the SD on Samsung devices. The warranty you are talking about is with the HD7, because you need to remove screws to get access to the SD Card. So why don't you do some researching?

walshieau said:
Wrong again champ. You can remove the update the SD on Samsung devices. The warranty you are talking about is with the HD7, because you need to remove screws to get access to the SD Card. So why don't you do some researching?
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I have Champ! thats why I was able to put you in your place about your statement!

MadLinx said:
I have Champ! thats why I was able to put you in your place about your statement!
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You obviously can't read then
They were never my statements
I was simply backing up the person who replied to you
As you are incorrect about the warranty. The USER REPLACEABLE SD Slots DON'T VOID the warranty. The HTC ones do.

MadLinx said:
I have Champ! thats why I was able to put you in your place about your statement!
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Furthermore, since MS wants to be Neo-Nazi like Apple now (you know the 3 buttons that made it "impossible" for the HD2 to use the WP7 OS) what MS should have done is make the ability to switch out SD cards a mandatory requirement as their precious 3 Buttons.
you still wanna tell me how much of a genius everybody @ MS is now??

walshieau said:
You obviously can't read then
They were never my statements
I was simply backing up the person who replied to you
As you are incorrect about the warranty. The USER REPLACEABLE SD Slots DON'T VOID the warranty. The HTC ones do.
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I probably read much better than you!
1. when I hit "quote" yours was the profile that came up.
2. that's fine if that's your opinion.
3. I am correct about the warrantee...on the HD7 which is my only WP7 device of interest. Again, it's MS's fault for not making the SD option mandatory.

owenw said:
Are you an idiot? There is removable storage. Why do you need to access the SD?
As for Swype... the integrated keyboard in WP7 is brilliant, there's no need for it. We're not using Android here.
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you better read this one:
Windows Phone 7 - The filesystem and how it is presented to the user
before call someone an idiot

Just left wondering if this couldnt be addressed in one of the 1,000,000,000 threads covering precisely the same topic?
As for swype, AFAIK it was never available on the HD2 that my carrier sold me... if it wasnt for a .CAB file of questionable legality, i would never have been able to try it. Or is this the problem? Locking the OS down removes all the "free" software we used to run?

mshagg said:
Just left wondering if this couldnt be addressed in one of the 1,000,000,000 threads covering precisely the same topic?
As for swype, AFAIK it was never available on the HD2 that my carrier sold me... if it wasnt for a .CAB file of questionable legality, i would never have been able to try it. Or is this the problem? Locking the OS down removes all the "free" software we used to run?
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It WAS included on the OS my carrier sold me. As for being addressed on previous threads, I'm all for condensing. However, when I did a search my findings were lacking in this specific subject.
Perhaps there may be a better indexing system that can be developed to avoid these problems moving forward.

MrKaon said:
you better read this one:
Windows Phone 7 - The filesystem and how it is presented to the user
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My response of idiot was in as a result of being accused of being one myself for making points that have been valid & accurate. In reading the post which you pointed me to from March of this year. Reading internal & SD memory as one isn't the problem here. Neither is having to hard reset in order to reconfigure with the new SD card. That post further supports my point about MS really missing the proverbial boat here.
Case in point, removing the HD7's SD card is possible but not without voiding the warrantee. This is not by MS mandate, but if MS is going to be so controlling of other aspects of WP7 why not make sure we the users can upgrade SD card size as WE feel necessary.
My HD2 came with a 16gb SD card, knowing that this would not be enough for ME I upgraded to a 32gb one. I currently have about 22gb of info on my card. If you don't, or don't understand why I have that much data that's fine it's not relevant.
My point simply is this, we all know that these devices are no longer phones...they are mini computers that have a phone in them. That being the case, it should be mandated by MS that we have the option to upgrade our memory on ALL devices not just some!

MadLinx said:
Case in point, removing the HD7's SD card is possible but not without voiding the warrantee.
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Not true:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=807900&page=13

According to what I've read and understand, replacing the card will wipe the system, like a hard reset, because the card is being used as internal memory. They say you can upgrade the card, but you have to start all over again...erasing all accumulated data and info on the device.
What I find ironic is, Balmer has stated the reason for this type of system is because MicroSD tech is very low quality, buggy and problematic. He says the quality and reliability consistency from one card to another varies. And yet MS adopts MicroSD tech for its internal storage on WP7 devices. [scratches head and rolls eyes]

Well Microsoft could of included internal NAND in it's hardware specs but that would of increased the costs of devices and price point is a huge milestone when you're competing against the iPhone.
The most sensible way of keeping costs down while still allowing manufacturers to offer a variety of storage configurations was to use microSDHC.
The point about quality and reliability is a valid one, read Bunnie's blog post if you havn't yet. The way to control this is to not provide the user the ability to access that storage, it is preinstalled in the device.
Some people like Samsung have still chosen to give the user that choice and I think more will over time.
It really isn't that strange.

Oh my god, this is way too funny! Both of you seem pretty ill informed, the WP7 keyboard is perfect but a lot of people still want to use swype. Anyways all I can say is that only the Samsung devices have SD card support and even then it is god awful. You have to format the device to expand the memory? Lol. Anyway, the OS has 10x more freedom than iOS, mainly because it has more access to the hardware. The OS has a lot of downsides and I think its biggest is the lack of developer support, however that should change very soon. Oh, by the way, I hammered this all down on the WP7 keyboard.

JEEtoP said:
Well Microsoft could of included internal NAND in it's hardware specs but that would of increased the costs of devices and price point is a huge milestone when you're competing against the iPhone.
The most sensible way of keeping costs down while still allowing manufacturers to offer a variety of storage configurations was to use microSDHC.
The point about quality and reliability is a valid one, read Bunnie's blog post if you havn't yet. The way to control this is to not provide the user the ability to access that storage, it is preinstalled in the device.
Some people like Samsung have still chosen to give the user that choice and I think more will over time.
It really isn't that strange.
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And I could have lived with this if HTC used a 32gb card instead of a 16gb, or at least given us a choice between the two...bad decision making. So much for "HTC Quietly Brilliant" SMH

Smokexz said:
Oh my god, this is way too funny! Both of you seem pretty ill informed, the WP7 keyboard is perfect but a lot of people still want to use swype. Anyways all I can say is that only the Samsung devices have SD card support and even then it is god awful. You have to format the device to expand the memory? Lol. Anyway, the OS has 10x more freedom than iOS, mainly because it has more access to the hardware. The OS has a lot of downsides and I think its biggest is the lack of developer support, however that should change very soon. Oh, by the way, I hammered this all down on the WP7 keyboard.
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In regard to the keyboard, It's all about choice. While the WP7 keyboard is perfect to you, Swype is perfect for me. We should have both.
That's what made 6.5 so great. It's a shame that we probably won't see much more support or development for it.

MartyLK said:
According to what I've read and understand, replacing the card will wipe the system, like a hard reset, because the card is being used as internal memory. They say you can upgrade the card, but you have to start all over again...erasing all accumulated data and info on the device.
What I find ironic is, Balmer has stated the reason for this type of system is because MicroSD tech is very low quality, buggy and problematic. He says the quality and reliability consistency from one card to another varies. And yet MS adopts MicroSD tech for its internal storage on WP7 devices. [scratches head and rolls eyes]
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Exactly! I said it jokingly, but sometimes it does seem like an Apple double agent.

MadLinx said:
And I could have lived with this if HTC used a 32gb card instead of a 16gb, or at least given us a choice between the two...bad decision making. So much for "HTC Quietly Brilliant" SMH
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Yeah I agree, not just HTC but across the board there was a surprising lack of storage space with the launch handsets.
I'd guess it had something to do with cost-cutting as well as availability of Class 4 32GB cards. The only vendor manufacturing them as far as I can remember is Kingston and they don't seem to be that well stocked.
Oh well, by tomorrow morning my HD7 will be packin' 32GB and my smartphone will be set for the next 18 months

So....

Ok here goes..
I've been using HTC devices since the days of the SPV E100.
Every phone I've had has been Windows mobile based.
Now I am thinking about getting WM7 phone but the hardware is just not quite right.
I managed to get a hold and play with a demo Mozart.
At the moment The mozart is fave because it fits snug in my palm and the camera is 8MP. But that is all. There are some bits I want before jumping in.
Processor ...Check
8 mp Camera ... check
Wifi N.. Check
Micro sd.....Errr if you feel like voiding your warranty
Hdmi out... Nope
FM in/out... Nope
OK now for question time.
Has anyone got a conversion chart to show how much space 1 min/ 5 min /10 mins of 720 video takes up on a Mozart?
Does WM7 switch to a removable storage mode like the old windows?

djfuego said:
Ok here goes..
I've been using HTC devices since the days of the SPV E100.
Every phone I've had has been Windows mobile based.
Now I am thinking about getting WM7 phone but the hardware is just not quite right.
I managed to get a hold and play with a demo Mozart.
At the moment The mozart is fave because it fits snug in my palm and the camera is 8MP. But that is all. There are some bits I want before jumping in.
Processor ...Check
8 mp Camera ... check
Wifi N.. Check
Micro sd.....Errr if you feel like voiding your warranty
Hdmi out... Nope
FM in/out... Nope
OK now for question time.
Has anyone got a conversion chart to show how much space 1 min/ 5 min /10 mins of 720 video takes up on a Mozart?
Does WM7 switch to a removable storage mode like the old windows?
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I can only answer the last question .
wp7 sees all the storage as one big drive (rom+sd) so lets say "512 MB rom + 16GB sd = 16.5GB of storage (we don't know where it is stored )
and remember ! , you can not swap the sd card and use the DATA on it after swapping.

fm in/out? do you mean an fm receiver? if so, it has one. but no, it cannot act as an fm transmitter.

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The Gate Keeper said:
fm in/out? do you mean an fm receiver? if so, it has one. but no, it cannot act as an fm transmitter.
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So it does have an FM radio receiver that works on the phone?
I'm looking for wm7 phone with similar features as My old Touch Diamond.

djfuego said:
So it does have an FM radio receiver that works on the phone?
I'm looking for wm7 phone with similar features as My old Touch Diamond.
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Yes it has fm radio

djfuego said:
So it does have an FM radio receiver that works on the phone?
I'm looking for wm7 phone with similar features as My old Touch Diamond.
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Yes it does but for some reason it only works with uneven frequencies. 105,1 105,3 105,5 etc. Unless I'm missing something obvious.

i got it working for frequency 103.2, so i don't think there is an issue with it.

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i got it working for frequency 103.2, so i don't think there is an issue with it.
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Yeah it was something obvious. I noticed that there was an option to change from North America to World in settings and now I can access a lot more radio channels.

ceesheim said:
I can only answer the last question .
wp7 sees all the storage as one big drive (rom+sd) so lets say "512 MB rom + 16GB sd = 16.5GB of storage (we don't know where it is stored )
and remember ! , you can not swap the sd card and use the DATA on it after swapping.
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This seems counter intuitive. Is there any legitimate reason for this?

ms simply does not allow swapping memory cards for "security reasons" and would like you to use their cloud. which provides you with 25GB(?) of additional storage. for that matter there is simply no need for more storage unless you want to beat the upcoming iPhone 5 with 64GB build in. who needs that?
the internal storag card is somehow "glued" to the device. so even if you find it its just not worth the hassle. for a big upgrade it might be worth to void the warranty, but not for a daily swapping.

nehvada said:
ms simply does not allow swapping memory cards for "security reasons" and would like you to use their cloud. which provides you with 25GB(?) of additional storage. for that matter there is simply no need for more storage unless you want to beat the upcoming iPhone 5 with 64GB build in. who needs that?
the internal storag card is somehow "glued" to the device. so even if you find it its just not worth the hassle. for a big upgrade it might be worth to void the warranty, but not for a daily swapping.
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WEll Im not a fan of the cloud, I prefer direct control over my own data. I feel the cloud is bad for data security and integrity. I do not see how a removable storage device is less secure than some random servers that could be located anywhere. And with my current phone I have the option to use "The Cloud" or my Sd cards or both. Why would anyone think it is beneficial for their options to be reduced? Why should I put my personal data into the hands of a complete stranger?

the argument behind the use of cloud over local storage is similar to the one of android vs windows phone.
basically, the reason they made the microSD cards not "hot swappable" is so that they can encrypt the whole card. this way, noone can just come around and take the card out of the phone and get all of it's contents.
in terms of cloud vs local storage and which is more secure, really, neither can be said to be completely secure if you're on the internet. that includes your phone. if your phone uses data, then it's not secure, that includes bluetooth. pretty much everything is hackable. though that is the worst case scenario. in terms of putting your information in strangers hands, you merely being on the internet is doing that. in the hands of google, microsoft, and any other service that tracks cookies, browser patterns, etc. so really, your information is everywhere.

Security is more than just whether your data is secure from hackers. It also keeps app developers' data safe from you. MS knows that they need good apps to sell the platform, and to get devs to put forth the effort they have to show that the platform won't allow the ease of piracy that Android users have become accustomed to. Yes, it is a tradeoff, and it might not be for you, but I do not see that changing anytime soon, so if you wanna go WP7, that's what you're looking at.
I have to admit that the idea really did not appeal to me in theory when I first heard it. No one likes the idea of giving up a freedom. However, after using my Focus for a while, I have found that, for me at least, it is far outweighed by the positive changes.
That being said, the last thing this forum needs is yet another thread devolving into a nonremovable storage bashing session vs. WP7 fanboy argument, so I'm just gonna suggest that you really honestly try out 7 before nailing it over a point or two. It is a much larger change from 6.5 than can be really explained by a quick bullet point list, and really deserves to be approached with a fresh mindset. If it works out, awesome. If it doesn't, then that's just where you're at.

The Gate Keeper said:
the argument behind the use of cloud over local storage is similar to the one of android vs windows phone.
basically, the reason they made the microSD cards not "hot swappable" is so that they can encrypt the whole card. this way, noone can just come around and take the card out of the phone and get all of it's contents.
in terms of cloud vs local storage and which is more secure, really, neither can be said to be completely secure if you're on the internet. that includes your phone. if your phone uses data, then it's not secure, that includes bluetooth. pretty much everything is hackable. though that is the worst case scenario. in terms of putting your information in strangers hands, you merely being on the internet is doing that. in the hands of google, microsoft, and any other service that tracks cookies, browser patterns, etc. so really, your information is everywhere.
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FL5 said:
Security is more than just whether your data is secure from hackers. It also keeps app developers' data safe from you. MS knows that they need good apps to sell the platform, and to get devs to put forth the effort they have to show that the platform won't allow the ease of piracy that Android users have become accustomed to. Yes, it is a tradeoff, and it might not be for you, but I do not see that changing anytime soon, so if you wanna go WP7, that's what you're looking at.
I have to admit that the idea really did not appeal to me in theory when I first heard it. No one likes the idea of giving up a freedom. However, after using my Focus for a while, I have found that, for me at least, it is far outweighed by the positive changes.
That being said, the last thing this forum needs is yet another thread devolving into a nonremovable storage bashing session vs. WP7 fanboy argument, so I'm just gonna suggest that you really honestly try out 7 before nailing it over a point or two. It is a much larger change from 6.5 than can be really explained by a quick bullet point list, and really deserves to be approached with a fresh mindset. If it works out, awesome. If it doesn't, then that's just where you're at.
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Sure, if it ever gets ported to HD2 ill try it out , or ill have a look at my friends mozart , but aside from that even tho I still have my concerns I agree this is not the place for argument, and even though I only partly agree with the answers, they did give me somthing to think about and thanks for answering my questions.

Please just make a nexus with great battery and sd slot

Maybe its just me but the only things I want now in a phone are a huge battery (ala razr maxxx), expandable memory (16GB with no sd slot is a joke in 2012 with so much hd video and mp3s being twice the size they used to be), and some up to date google software. I dont need a quad core phone or more than 2GB of ram or 1080p resolution on anything smaller than a tablet. My galaxy nexus is still plenty powerful enough to do what I need it to now if only it could last all day and let me throw on 20GB of music.
I would love to see a version of the S4 or something that has no touch wiz and gets updates right from google.

We gotta dreamer over here.
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Battery technology is the same as its been for almost a decade. All they do is add mah. That's why batteries universally suck.
Sd is the past. It's slower than nand and just adds a fairly useless port to the phone. Hate to break the to you but neither of your requests are happening.

Pepper67 said:
Maybe its just me but the only things I want now in a phone are a huge battery (ala razr maxxx), expandable memory (16GB with no sd slot is a joke in 2012 with so much hd video and mp3s being twice the size they used to be), and some up to date google software. I dont need a quad core phone or more than 2GB of ram or 1080p resolution on anything smaller than a tablet. My galaxy nexus is still plenty powerful enough to do what I need it to now if only it could last all day and let me throw on 20GB of music.
I would love to see a version of the S4 or something that has no touch wiz and gets updates right from google.
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Totally agree, one for me too!
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SD card slot isn't gonna happen, because Google wants you to use their online content services rather than fill an SD card with your own stuff. That's why they're selling the N4 for so cheap (in some countries...).

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SD card slot isn't gonna happen, because Google wants you to use their online content services rather than fill an SD card with your own stuff. That's why they're selling the N4 for so cheap (in some countries...).
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thats not the reason.......
they said it is because it can be confusing to the every day user....where are pictures being saved? where are documents going? and i guess i can see that. i just wish they would let us choose to be "confused" or not.
but FWIW, i am completely content with my 32GB gnex...and would actually be ok with 16gb version as well as i have about 21GB free space. as long as i have unlimited data, i am OK with 16GB on a phone. its a little different on a tablt though, as i like watching videos on them more than i do the phone.
as for the big battery, its coming. just wait. although current phones are starting to be pretty good on battery. the Gnex is pretty bad, but even the S3 almost doubles our battery life.

I've been under the impression a large part of it is the costs of paying MS licensing fees for SD tech.
I've got unlimited data so with the exception if the few times I have no signal, the cloud works just fine for me.
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I completely agree on this post. I just got two nexi and sold them both on eBay because I couldn't put my 16GB card in that has 14GB of music on it.
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turdbogls said:
thats not the reason.......
they said it is because it can be confusing to the every day user....where are pictures being saved? where are documents going? and i guess i can see that. i just wish they would let us choose to be "confused" or not.
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Sure, there are also issues with data being split between internal and external storage, but if you think the Play Store is not a factor at all you are delusional. Why do you think Google only offers the N4 with the rather pathetic storage options of 8 and 16 GB? They should have gone with at least 16/32, but they didn't, and I'm very certain that wasn't just a matter of cost.

Honestly my biggest issue isnt that I dont have storage, but my carrier is giving me less data to use. Something has to give one way or another. Either we need to store things on our phone (movies music tv) or we can stream it. We cant have none the storage and none the data from the carriers the equation simply doesnt work. Personally I would rather stream all my content except most content streaming source's quality isnt good enough. If I want to listen to music from grooveshark I dont want some half assed mp3 rip; I want flac.
Naturally battery life is going to suck, although ive been able to make it bearable with the battery upgrade, a decent rom ( i run Xenon) and franco/lean kernel. Sadly this only makes it bearable though and thats spending how much time and effort right out of the box to make it that? total BS.

Otg
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+1 SD card
I would just like an SD card so that when I'm flashing ROMs and totally bork my Nexus up, I can recover from the external SD card. The other day during a flash something went wrong and erased my backup images and backup ROM zips. I couldn't connect via ADB to push ROMs or use ODIN recovery. An SD card would've allowed me to recover in a few minutes vs a few hours. This especially makes sense, since a lot of developers use the Nexus devices. It would allow them to recover more easily or boot test ROMs from an external SD card.

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I would just like an SD card so that when I'm flashing ROMs and totally bork my Nexus up, I can recover from the external SD card. The other day during a flash something went wrong and erased my backup images and backup ROM zips. I couldn't connect via ADB to push ROMs or use ODIN recovery. An SD card would've allowed me to recover in a few minutes vs a few hours. This especially makes sense, since a lot of developers use the Nexus devices. It would allow them to recover more easily or boot test ROMs from an external SD card.
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Developers and users who know how their device was meant to be recovered dont use Odin. They use fastboot.
People have to realize, for all that the device is, it is a Google device first than it is a Sammy device.
One more thing, if you couldn't use adb while in recovery, you didn't do it right. 100% sure.
To recover a Nexus, there's no need, AT ALL, for a external sdcard.
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Battery technology is the same as its been for almost a decade. All they do is add mah. That's why batteries universally suck.
Sd is the past. It's slower than nand and just adds a fairly useless port to the phone. Hate to break the to you but neither of your requests are happening.
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Ive been wondering about batteries for a while, seems like theyre long over do for a serious update.

I don't understand why people feel the need to carry 20gb of music with them everywhere they go. You obviously won't even listen to anywhere near that amount of music in a day unless you keep it on the whole day, highly doubting that. Not trying to be rude but can someone who keeps that much music on their phone try to show me their point of view?
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I don't understand why people feel the need to carry 20gb of music with them everywhere they go. You obviously won't even listen to anywhere near that amount of music in a day unless you keep it on the whole day, highly doubting that. Not trying to be rude but can someone who keeps that much music on their phone try to show me their point of view?
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People are hoarders when it comes to data. That's the short answer.

msavic6 said:
I don't understand why people feel the need to carry 20gb of music with them everywhere they go. You obviously won't even listen to anywhere near that amount of music in a day unless you keep it on the whole day, highly doubting that. Not trying to be rude but can someone who keeps that much music on their phone try to show me their point of view?
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Thank you.
Same with movies.
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Never going to happen
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SD cards... old technology man. Get up to date. Is cloud storage now. And huge data with prepaid how this phone is to be used since it is unlocked. The best carrier with the best deal. Use the cloud top steam your stuff. Only thing that needs to be fixed is Google drive to stream movies. At that, if you root and install flash you can use desktop site and stream your movies.

I would love to have an SD card. The cloud sucks. When u don't have fast internet in the area ur in, when trying to access pictures or videos from the cloud. Forget about it. SD cards are way better then the cloud imo. I can't store all my games data in the cloud. I have like 10 games I bought but I can't install them because they are about 2gbs a piece. Plus I still have some music, HD movies and photos. So if Google isn't going to give us an SD card. Which I know they won't. At least give us an option for a 64gb, 32gb version of the gsm galaxy nexus. I can live with 32 or 64gbs of internal memory. Then I won't need an SD card slot.
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[Q][Off topic] Regarding clone phones

Hi..my post might be off topic because i dont think it has anything to do with galaxy nexus. I just wanna know if can people edit the phones to show a certain amount of RAM and storage capacity. You know, like when we edit the build.prop and change the build number,etc.
Here i include some screenshot of photos the dealer sent me. The RAM shows 2GB, but the amount off RAM left is fishy. I means,it looks like a 512mb RAM phones. Plus, the internal storage is said to be 12GB capacity, but you can see that it shows remaining to be 300++mb left. I cant really go and check the phones myself because the dealer is kinda far from my place. It might be a little hard to see. Im sorry for the poor image, it might have gotten compressed a little bit.
I really need some opinions on whether can we edit the RAM and internal storage capacity. Any help will be appreciated. And sorry once again for being off topic. I figured since most awesome devs are in the nexus family line, so i'll post here.
P/S I'm doing this so i can warn some people that what they are seeing might be some stuff that can be editted, and not the real specs. Thats where all you guys opinions come in..
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That's a pretty useless modification. There is absolutely no value in modifying your device to show that it has more ram and plenty of downsides.

That is right, if you are using that device. However, if you are selling these devices, stuff like this will be great to attract customers
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063_XOBX said:
That's a pretty useless modification. There is absolutely no value in modifying your device to show that it has more ram and plenty of downsides.
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I don't think that's the root of the question. He's not interested in modifying the value for gags, rather to diminish the possibility of a potential scam.
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That is right, if you are using that device. However, if you are selling these devices, stuff like this will be great to attract customers
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A dishonest way. Ever heard of bait and switch? People have been using that scummy tactic with fake external drives for years.

If the question is just "Can they?", I think yes they can. We can change any other thing about our phones, why not that number?.
Also keep in mind that for RAM, some will not be accounted for because it will be used by the OS.
Same for available space on the hdd or sdcard.

So for now, we have know that it is POSSIBLE to edit the ram and internal capacity showing. Can anyone explain how is that can be done? Where and how to edit the stuff..?
It will make it easier to convince people that they are being scammed if see it with their own eyes. I might make a video of it and share it among my facebook friends for awareness.
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