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what is the deal with that...do we have the capability or not?
Cause its not working for me, and I thought it was advertised that we will have that capability
IF you are using data on 4G or WiFi. If you are using data on 3G, then no, same limitation as all CDMA phones.
^GAHHHH this whole 4g thing was such a BS gimmick in so many places.
mastermayhm069 said:
^GAHHHH this whole 4g thing was such a BS gimmick in so many places.
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Meh, not really the phone's fault, just the network technology. I also don't have 4G, so I can't use data and talk at the same time...maybe that will be a problem someday in the future, but it doesn't seem like that big of a deal at the moment to me. All of the strengths of the phone outweigh that disadvantage in my mind.
First off, before zooming off to purchase the latest and greatest gadgets, do some research, ask some questions. Because more than likely, the gadgets won't have support for every feature yet since it's the latest. CDMA has always had the limitation of no simultaneous data/voice. 4G doesn't have that limitation, but isn't supported everywhere yet, and won't be for a while.
It is your responsibility to do research before spending money on it.
maybe i didnt make my self all that clear, but i wasnt blaming the phone [i have/had done a huge deal of research and i did know that i was not in 4g coverage and i might have even read that you can only data and talk with 4g signal] i just forgot and wanted to know, also wanted to see how people would react to this fact and if it bothered anyone else that it only works with the oh so scarce 4g service...i am quite aware that its the service provider i need to 'complain' to...and i am also aware that it is a new 'feature' and that it simply can not be implemented everywhere, all i am saying is that 4g was a 'feature' that was marketed very highly in every market...while in fact it is not even available in like 20% of it
there was no zooming, and i have my responsibilities under wraps.
It was pretty widely known before release that 4G isn't yet deployed in every market and that it is an on-going process... And it's always been known that one of the advantages of GSM is this. It's one of the few things I miss after switching over from AT&T, but truth be told most of the time that I used data while on a call it is while I'm at home (and can use WiFi + talk)... I just don't carry on long calls on the road. That's just me tho...
Verizon has a Voice over LTE system coming out in the next year(according to them). That would allow the LTE radio to not just be used for sweet delicious data, but be used for voice(minutes?) too. Is this something that the current Galaxy Nexus will be capable of in the future via firmware update? This would solve some of the battery draining problems related to using a LTE phone. It would suck burro pene having a relatively new LTE phone and not be able to use Verizon's forthcoming VoLTE platform in a few months, if there is a huge benefit from it.
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Verizon has a Voice over LTE system coming out in the next year(according to them). That would allow the LTE radio to not just be used for sweet delicious data, but be used for voice(minutes?) too. Is this something that the current Galaxy Nexus will be capable of in the future via firmware update? This would solve some of the battery draining problems related to using a LTE phone. It would suck burro pene having a relatively new LTE phone and not be able to use Verizon's forthcoming VoLTE platform in a few months, if there is a huge benefit from it.
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I don't see how using LTE for voice AND data will make battery life any better.
Chirality said:
I don't see how using LTE for voice AND data will make battery life any better.
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turn off the CDMA radio completely?
crazy talk said:
turn off the CDMA radio completely?
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The LTE radio is the one that burns the battery, not the CDMA radio. So once you start doing voice and data both over LTE its gonna rape the battery lol.
Currently you get a call it's handed off to the CDMA antenna. When on LTE both the CDMA for voice and LTE for data are on. Whereas with VoLTE while on LTE there is no hand off, therefore no secondary voice antenna needs to be on as the LTE handles it.
Pacifik said:
Currently you get a call it's handed off to the CDMA antenna. When on LTE both the CDMA for voice and LTE for data are on. Whereas with VoLTE while on LTE there is no hand off, therefore no secondary voice antenna needs to be on as the LTE handles it.
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That's not true at all. When the CDMA radio is on for voice communication it turns *off* the LTE radio. We know this because voice and data at the same time are not possible on most LTE phones.
If you used the LTE radio for voice communication, as well as data, it would *completely* destroy your battery life.
hotleadsingerguy said:
That's not true at all. When the CDMA radio is on for voice communication it turns *off* the LTE radio. We know this because voice and data at the same time are not possible on most LTE phones.
If you used the LTE radio for voice communication, as well as data, it would *completely* destroy your battery life.
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On Verizon LTE phones you can 100% definitely use 4g data while on 3g voice, most can't do 3g simultaneous voice and data. While LTE ants use more power, powering up a second antenna while already using the LTE will hurt even more. There will also be usually be an increase in call quality on an LTE call. All of this is under the assumption you actually plan on using the 4G network.
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I too am considering getting the new Galaxy Nexus on VZ. The battery issue I find secondary to my main concern, but it should be obvious that using only one radio (LTE) will have power saving benefits vs two radios. If just using voice, it may be a net loss of battery life. I guess we'll see how LTE stacks up to CDMA power consumption.
But here is the important question: will the SGN be upgradeable to support VoLTE (Voice over LTE) and the accompanying high-definition audio codec AMR-WB. You see, your horrible-sounding cell calls will transform to sounding better than a land line (assuming, of course, a compatible phone on the other end). It is even conceivable one could call VoIP landlines that support this codec and get good audio quality.
So you see, it is really all about the audio quality. Battery life is secondary, and may go up or down depending on your useage of voice only or voice and data.
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I too am considering getting the new Galaxy Nexus on VZ. The battery issue I find secondary to my main concern, but it should be obvious that using only one radio (LTE) will have power saving benefits vs two radios. If just using voice, it may be a net loss of battery life. I guess we'll see how LTE stacks up to CDMA power consumption.
But here is the important question: will the SGN be upgradeable to support VoLTE (Voice over LTE) and the accompanying high-definition audio codec AMR-WB. You see, your horrible-sounding cell calls will transform to sounding better than a land line (assuming, of course, a compatible phone on the other end). It is even conceivable one could call VoIP landlines that support this codec and get good audio quality.
So you see, it is really all about the audio quality. Battery life is secondary, and may go up or down depending on your useage of voice only or voice and data.
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If the wideband voice codec is implemented in hardware, then sure it can be a software upgrade. Otherwise its up to the CPU to do all the processing which isn't ideal. Still could be done though, just not in an optimal fashion.
the downsides outweigh the very small benefits. yeah, just using a lte antenna and turning off cdma will net you a small gain, but having lte on 24/7 will burn through the battery quickly and using it for voice just to gain a little clarity will still burn through the battery, just now you're using more power compared to cdma voice. nice try though.
pukemon said:
the downsides outweigh the very small benefits. yeah,
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Then get a CDMA phone and keep having your phone conversations in low-def. Each to their own.
Personally, I absolutely despise cellphone audio quality (what? What did you say?) and will gladly burn a few extra milliamps, if indeed there is much of a penalty, for the few minutes I am actually talking on the phone.
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If the wideband voice codec is implemented in hardware, then sure it can be a software upgrade. Otherwise its up to the CPU to do all the processing which isn't ideal. Still could be done though, just not in an optimal fashion.
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My understanding is that the voice codec must be in the modem firmware. Supposedly, from what I have read on the internet, the SGN uses the same SGS Thomson modem as the Samsung Galaxy II, which is capable of VoLTE. Again, reading on the internet, VZ has specifically asked Samsung (this was noted in the FCC filing) to ship it without VoLTE, presumably for better compatibility with their network today.
So, the million dollar question is: Is this just a firmware upgrade to enable when VoLTE goes live on VZ? Pretty sure modem firmware is different from Android OS. Not sure if it is upgradeable after the fact. Is this what is commonly refered to as "baseband firmware"?
Does anybody know more about the guts of these phones?
pass. i'll stick to gsm for a while longer. much longer. much better on the battery, call quality is satisfactory and i can travel with it. when lte power consumption is comparable to that of current hspa/cdma radios i might consider switching. until then i'm going to try and make my nexus last a couple years.
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Then get a CDMA phone and keep having your phone conversations in low-def. Each to their own.
Personally, I absolutely despise cellphone audio quality (what? What did you say?) and will gladly burn a few extra milliamps, if indeed there is much of a penalty, for the few minutes I am actually talking on the phone.
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Totally agreed. Going from a cell conversation to a Skype to Skype call makes you realize how undescribably bad cell voice quality is.
here's the million dollar question: With voLTE, can I simultaneously use voice and data over 4g?
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Verizon has a Voice over LTE system coming out in the next year(according to them). That would allow the LTE radio to not just be used for sweet delicious data, but be used for voice(minutes?) too. Is this something that the current Galaxy Nexus will be capable of in the future via firmware update? This would solve some of the battery draining problems related to using a LTE phone. It would suck burro pene having a relatively new LTE phone and not be able to use Verizon's forthcoming VoLTE platform in a few months, if there is a huge benefit from it.
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It's a really good question. If I had to bet, I'd say yes. I'd bet they've got Samsung putting the codec into the modem firmware already. I'd bet their 4G device testing already includes VoLTE IMS along with one or two production test markets for VZW field testing. I think the odds are good. That said, they don't exactly advertise on the box:
"Supports VoLTE so in about 9 months your battery life won't completely suck and maybe you'll get HD audio if you're seriously lucky."
Samzebian said:
here's the million dollar question: With voLTE, can I simultaneously use voice and data over 4g?
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Yes. You should be able to do this even without VoLTE using 3G voice and 4G data. Different radios.
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here's the million dollar question: With voLTE, can I simultaneously use voice and data over 4g?
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Voice over LTE treats the call as data, it's the same thing as a voip call essentially.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2397821,00.asp
I noticed mine has really poor 4g signal and takes a while to go back and forth between 3g reliably.
Potentially good news if there is the real possibility of a fix. I've seen this before with Samsung phones though, so...
hopefully hspa version too
i have same issues on mine
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Potentially good news if there is the real possibility of a fix. I've seen this before with Samsung phones though, so...
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Yeah, like the Galaxy S GPS problem that never got fixed, at least through software. I've got a Nexus on order and if it has a signal problem, it's going back.
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http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2397821,00.asp
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that should only affect the CDMA version of the phone right?
is the GSM version affected too?
I wonder if it will just throw more battery power (at the expense of battery life- I would wager that it has been scaled back to preserve as much battery life as possible) at the radios and streamline the handshake protocols for handing off between radios and towers...
I wonder if anyone has tested this in any of the custom kernels floating around?
If so, it should boost GSM as well I would think...
anandtech claim where the true problem lies
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5254/investigating-the-galaxy-nexus-lte-signal-issue
It is possible that this cell can implement this technology?
thank you very much for responding!
HI !!!
Hi Jlaeo
same here...
Im a new member as you
The 4G technology is implemented in a labeled smartphone that includes the feature...
For example:
Moto Photon 4G
Sam Epic 4G; and
HTC Thunderbolt 4G
The new thing allows to download in a very high speed
that's the special thing of 4G
and it's signal just available in some areas that provides the service
so if YOUR area has no net. providers that provide the service, better not buy the 4G...
It's the newest technology and this cell is unable to implement the tech since it's not included in the brand new package offered by the manufacturer
even some new high-end devices don't include the thing...
i think those things above are enough to be considered a crystal clear explanation...
trackidtracker said:
Hi Jlaeo
same here...
Im a new member as you
The 4G technology is implemented in a labeled smartphone that includes the feature...
For example:
Moto Photon 4G
Sam Epic 4G; and
HTC Thunderbolt 4G
The new thing allows to download in a very high speed
that's the special thing of 4G
and it's signal just available in some areas that provides the service
so if YOUR area has no net. providers that provide the service, better not buy the 4G...
It's the newest technology and this cell is unable to implement the tech since it's not included in the brand new package offered by the manufacturer
even some new high-end devices don't include the thing...
i think those things above are enough to be considered a crystal clear explanation...
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Thank you very much for responding!
4G is in america only, if im not wrong. it is faster then normal 3G, and is a network based on LTE. search google for it if you need more info, but you need special made phones for it, special brands. HTC's are called 'provider' 'device name' '4G' etc..
voetbalremco said:
4G is in america only, if im not wrong. ...
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unfortunately, you are wrong. They're testing it even here, in Latvia. Why is it amazing you say? We have unstable financial situation here for the last couple of years, oh and not to mention that country as it is now exists for about 20 years. Not sure if that's a cheerful or a sad fact though. :/
as far as the topic goes: unless you manage to solder a 4g reciever onto your phone it's not possible.
There's 4G and 4G...
Some marketing idiots stateside decided that it was a smart idea to rebrand HSPA from 3G to 4G.
Engadget's pun for this is faux-G.
Then you've got WiMax and LTE, which are considered pre-4G technologies.
LTE-Advanced, not deployed anywhere yet, is considered 4G.
The Gio is 3G HSPA, 7 Mbps. Depending on the network HSPA can go up to 21, and dual channel HSPA 42 Mbps.
I'm in the market for a used or new phone. The reception at my house is horrible. At best I get weak 3G. How does the WiFi calling feature work on the 5X on t-mobile's network? I've heard is a hit or miss when receiving calls. To tell you the truth the phones I'm debating over are the 5X and the Galaxy S6.