[Q] Can't install recovery - EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Before I get flamed for using search, I did, and all I found were 4 threads, in which I read. I did not find a good answer. I'm trying to flash smelkus ics themed and when the zip is read, I get a parsing (PC36IMG.ZIP). And it just hangs there. Any ideas??
EVT2-3 S-on
HBoot-2.18.0001
MICROP-041f
Radio-2.15.00.12.19
Thanks,
Jasen

mrjasenr said:
Before I get flamed for using search, I did, and all I found were 4 threads, in which I read. I did not find a good answer. I'm trying to flash smelkus ics themed and when the zip is read, I get a parsing (PC36IMG.ZIP). And it just hangs there. Any ideas??
EVT2-3 S-on
HBoot-2.18.0001
MICROP-041f
Radio-2.15.00.12.19
Thanks,
Jasen
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You put it on root of SD? Also check md5 on file via hash Droid or md5 sum in market
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maybe try flashing with fastboot? flash recovery recoveryname.img thats the command to flash a recovery in fastboot. google how to do it and what you need
or flash with flash image gui
its free on xda

mrjasenr said:
Before I get flamed for using search, I did, and all I found were 4 threads, in which I read. I did not find a good answer. I'm trying to flash smelkus ics themed and when the zip is read, I get a parsing (PC36IMG.ZIP). And it just hangs there. Any ideas??
EVT2-3 S-on
HBoot-2.18.0001
MICROP-041f
Radio-2.15.00.12.19
Thanks,
Jasen
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Well you did root / unlock the device correct? Additionally, make sure you don't have a bad download of the file.

Must be "s-off"
Just spent the better part of a week on this one. I also could not get past "parsing". I know how frustrating it is! I wasn't having a problem with Amon RA 2.3, I just wanted the new one!
I am using Nitrous 1.5.3 and posted to that board and got some great support as always. raafeall informed me that I needed to make sure I didn't need "s-off". I did. I had rooted using htcDEV so I was watermarked and "s-on". I followed Captian_Throwback's thread to rool back and rooted through Revolutionary to get "s-off". As soon as it was done I updated to smelkus Amon Ra 4.3!
Thread at click-dev:
http://www.click-dev.com/htc-evo-4g-qa/ra-supersonic-v4-3/msg218/?topicseen#new
Captian_Throwback's thread:
http://themikmik.com/showthread.php...-18-HBOOT-with-HTCDev-com-No-More-Watermark!-)
"New" option for achieving "s-off" after watermark (I did not use this one):
http://htcevohacks.com/htc-evo-hacks/root-for-htc-evo-4g-gingerbread-is-here/

teh roxxorz said:
Well you did root / unlock the device correct? Additionally, make sure you don't have a bad download of the file.
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I have a recovery already installed along with the fact I've flashed atleast 50
different times, from my LG Optimus, and now my Evo 4g.
I was just looking to try something new.

Do I have to unroot in order to change to a different root method. Since I used HTCDev method should I un do it to go back and do Revolution??

traceli said:
Just spent the better part of a week on this one. I also could not get past "parsing". I know how frustrating it is! I wasn't having a problem with Amon RA 2.3, I just wanted the new one!
I am using Nitrous 1.5.3 and posted to that board and got some great support as always. raafeall informed me that I needed to make sure I didn't need "s-off". I did. I had rooted using htcDEV so I was watermarked and "s-on". I followed Captian_Throwback's thread to rool back and rooted through Revolutionary to get "s-off". As soon as it was done I updated to smelkus Amon Ra 4.3!
Thread at click-dev:
http://www.click-dev.com/htc-evo-4g-qa/ra-supersonic-v4-3/msg218/?topicseen#new
Captian_Throwback's thread:
http://themikmik.com/showthread.php...-18-HBOOT-with-HTCDev-com-No-More-Watermark!-)
"New" option for achieving "s-off" after watermark (I did not use this one):
http://htcevohacks.com/htc-evo-hacks/root-for-htc-evo-4g-gingerbread-is-here/
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I believe that he explained it perfectly for you. Just read and follow the instructions. Good luck
mrjasenr said:
Do I have to unroot in order to change to a different root method. Since I used HTCDev method should I un do it to go back and do Revolution??
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Flashing ROM and Recovery not the same
mrjasenr said:
I have a recovery already installed along with the fact I've flashed atleast 50
different times, from my LG Optimus, and now my Evo 4g.
I was just looking to try something new.
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Yes, you would be able to flash ROMS, Kernels, and 'some' Recoveries with the bootloader unlocked by htc, that is why they did it. You cannot flash different Baseband, Radio, Wimax, etc. unless you are "s-off". And for some reason (I am curious why, now I get something to research!), smelkus' recovery requires that level of permissions.
mrjasenr said:
Do I have to unroot in order to change to a different root method. Since I used HTCDev method should I un do it to go back and do Revolution??
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Yes, if you use Captian_Throwback's thread. It un-roots to a "s-on", "locked", un-watermarked state. Then, you will roll back your radio and baseband, otherwise Revolutionary won't work.
Good luck. The whole process only took me a hour, hour and a half maybe, and I was tip toeing through the whole thing.
---------- Post added at 07:36 AM ---------- Previous post was at 07:30 AM ----------
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=21842484&postcount=19
Here is the Captian's method on xda.

sha4000 said:
I believe that he explained it perfectly for you. Just read and follow the instructions. Good luck
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Ok, I was unsure if I had to unroot first, but I did not. I followed
Captian_Throwback method to the T and it went flawlessly. Thanks alot!!
Now to install a newer recovery!

I had trouble flashing the zip (it just hung there) and was able to load the .img via fastboot.
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mrjasenr said:
Ok, I was unsure if I had to unroot first, but I did not. I followed
Captian_Throwback method to the T and it went flawlessly. Thanks alot!!
Now to install a newer recovery!
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I'm glad that you got that sorted out. Now on to flashing.
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Related

Cyanogen wont flash error 7

So I'm trying to flash Cyanogen 6.xx and I keep getting an error 7. Does any one know why I keep getting an error when tring to go to Cyanogen? To flash I'm using amon_ra recovery not sure what is causing the issue any help would be appreciated.
Do you have S-Off?
gave up on 8pening from my supersonic on the xda app.
david279 said:
Do you have S-Off?
gave up on 8pening from my supersonic on the xda app.
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How do I know?
you probably need the engineering hboot, a quick google search will bring up a whole list of ways to fix this.
Hey I got 2.02 and can't downgrade, i tried thru boot loader and flashable zips but no luck, any idea how i can do it?
Thanks that worked the link is here in-case any one needs it in the future.
Its the HBoot in the first post the name of the .zip is: EVO_HBoot_0.76.2000.zip
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=752832
In order to flash through pc36img.zip, you need toast's mtd-eng.img flashed to your misc partition. Pm me for questions on how to do this if you have any.
David, haus, it seems to me like we are the only ones really working in this section. Hah I see our three names in every other thread. I have waaay too much free time on my hands.

[Q] Unrooted: Why still S-OFF?

I just unrooted my phone by running the RUU update for 3.29.xxx and at bootloader screen, it is still showing S-OFF. Shouldn't it be S-ON? I'd appreciate some feedback as I am heading back to the sprint store and want to be sure the phone is completely unrooted. I recall the other time I ran this same procedure, it went back to S-ON.
TIA
You need to flash the Unrevoked s-on tool. It can be found in several unrooting threads.
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TheMagicalSock said:
You need to flash the Unrevoked s-on tool. It can be found in several unrooting threads.
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Thanks. I suspect it was the tool I used to root that had the Unrevoked component (never had this problem first time around); should've read the fine print...
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so you need to re-root (maybe with unrevoked even) and then flash the s-on tool through recovery. it can be found in the unrevoked wiki. after that, then run the ruu.
dkdude36 said:
so you need to re-root (maybe with unrevoked even) and then flash the s-on tool through recovery. it can be found in the unrevoked wiki. after that, then run the ruu.
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Yup.... exactly. Thanks.....highly appreciated. I guess this explains why most prefer not to use the Unrevoked method.
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glad i could help. another reason people dont like unrevoked is it is now outdated. if you run it with the new protected hboot 2.02, you will get screwed pretty bad.
it used to save people hours of struggle, now it kills ruthlessly (haha)
Just flash this as PC36IMG.zip:
http://goo-inside.me/evo/stock/RUU_...0.09.01_NV_1.77_003_release_154209_signed.zip
drmacinyasha said:
Just flash this as PC36IMG.zip:
http://goo-inside.me/evo/stock/RUU_...0.09.01_NV_1.77_003_release_154209_signed.zip
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Does this downgrade HBOOT to .76.2000? If not, please list the exact steps + files to use. I have copies of Hboot_0.76.2000.zip and Hboot_2.02.0001-Patch but not sure of the other in which to flash them.
Thanks.
EDIT: I was able to get back S-ON, although I observed that bootloader doesn't show the updated value after flashing the unrevoked-s-on zip; not until you attempt to flash the stock PC36IMG file. The above RUU allowed me complete the unrooting process (now with hboot 2.02).
I guess the other pressing question is why do I need hboot 2.02 and not .93 or .76.2000?

[Q] NewB needs Help installing Rom =(

Ok.. so I'm absolutely new to this rooting and flashing roms and stuff. I want to install the SkyRaider 4.0 ROM. I believe the first step I need to do before I can install this ROM is to root my phone? Do I do this through Unrevoked or through ADB??? Like in this link? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=709220 . I checked the WIKI for DInc and it doesn't mention anything about ADB.. So do I need to do that??
So lost. Thanks so much for your help guys
Use the unrevoked program, its so simple, literally one click. Once you have root you'll want to make a backup in recovery before you flash skyraider.
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k_nivesout said:
Use the unrevoked program, its so simple, literally one click. Once you have root you'll want to make a backup in recovery before you flash skyraider.
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Thanks. So what's up with ADB? Will I need it at all? Do I need to follow the guide as in the link I posted above?
First root using the unrevoked program as mentioned above. Then post back for more help on the ROM flashing.
I wouldn't worry about adb right now. Don't need to use it for rom, kernel, radio flashing.
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Honestly, I've never even had to use ADB. Definitely not required. It's nice to have sometimes. But usually something like root explorer will suffice.
*should have refreshed first.
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Gotcha. So what's the diff between Unrevoked 3 and unrevoked forever? http://unrevoked.com/#inc
Unrevoked forever gives you permanent root. That is definitely the way to go, and the best way to get your ROM successfully flashed. ( And stay that way ).
Also let's you flash unsigned files in hboot, like radios and splash screens.
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Just thought I'd add that you can also go back to stock S-ON later on if needed (warranty replacement, etc).
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k_nivesout said:
Just thought I'd add that you can also go back to stock S-ON later on if needed (warranty replacement, etc).
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And in case he doesn't know what S-ON and S-OFF means, it refers to the state of the security "flag" on your device. With S-OFF, your warranty is void, however you can turn the security back on as well if you need to take it into verizon or something.. Using unrevoked forever, it will turn S-ON to S-OFF.
Can SkyRaider work with S-ON? aka without dealing with Unrevoked Forever at the moment?
No, I don't believe it will. Is there a reason not to do unrevoked forever? It take less than 5 minutes to complete
wurzzz said:
Can SkyRaider work with S-ON? aka without dealing with Unrevoked Forever at the moment?
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You should be able to. S-OFF is the way to go through, you can still revert S-ON later.
The whole "security" title it has is meaningless against actually security of your phone, with S-OFF you're more free to tweak your phone.
wurzzz said:
Gotcha. So what's the diff between Unrevoked 3 and unrevoked forever? http://unrevoked.com/#inc
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Unrevoked for the Inc comes with Forever already, hence S-off
Hope this helps
xirftwx said:
No, I don't believe it will. Is there a reason not to do unrevoked forever? It take less than 5 minutes to complete
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S-OFF is not required to flash ROMs. Its required for radio flashing and splash screen changing though.
Sent from my Droid Incredible running CM7.
Blah12543 said:
S-OFF is not required to flash ROMs. Its required for radio flashing and splash screen changing though.
Sent from my Droid Incredible running CM7.
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I see, but I hadn't done unrevoked forever (yet I still had root) and flashed over my first ROM... didn't have much luck. It ended up reverting to stock everything automatically, which was really strange. Haven't had any problems since S-OFF though.
Well, I did both unrevoked3 and forever in the end. Got it up and running with skyraider now =) thanks for all your help guys!
xirftwx said:
I see, but I hadn't done unrevoked forever (yet I still had root) and flashed over my first ROM... didn't have much luck. It ended up reverting to stock everything automatically, which was really strange. Haven't had any problems since S-OFF though.
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Huh, thats odd. I was rooted and S-ON when I first did my starter ROM: SkyRaider 2.something lol. Didn't encounter any problems except for wonky audio with flash, but that was an easy fix. That was back when stock Incs were rockin' Eclair lol... Sorry bout my off topic reminiscing :S
I'm glad you got everything running good OP! Enjoy the wonderful world of the rooted Incredible!
Sent from my Droid Incredible running CM7.
Yeah, S-OFF isn't required for ROM's. I flashed many ROM's before S-OFF was even out for the incredible. Back in the 2.1 days

[Q] Did I get an already rooted phone from Sprint?

So I finally got my replacement phone in today because my previous Evo was boot looping and the Sprint techs couldn't fix it. I was debating whether to root again or wait for a bit. I figured I would just check to see what kind of Evo I am dealing with. I was looking at the HW and it is v.003, with the 4.54 ota. I loaded in to bootloader and saw a little surprise as follows:
SUPERSONIC EVT2-3 SHIP S-OFF
HBOOT 2.16.0001
MICROP-042f
TOUCH PANEL-ATMELC03_16ac
RADIO-2.15.00.0808
Since it says S-OFF, am I already rooted? Any way I can test this?
the.emilio said:
So I finally got my replacement phone in today because my previous Evo was boot looping and the Sprint techs couldn't fix it. I was debating whether to root again or wait for a bit. I figured I would just check to see what kind of Evo I am dealing with. I was looking at the HW and it is v.003, with the 4.54 ota. I loaded in to bootloader and saw a little surprise as follows:
SUPERSONIC EVT2-3 SHIP S-OFF
HBOOT 2.16.0001
MICROP-042f
TOUCH PANEL-ATMELC03_16ac
RADIO-2.15.00.0808
Since it says S-OFF, am I already rooted? Any way I can test this?
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Your nand unlocked already so just flash a recovery then the superuser zip and binaries located at androidsu.com or just flash a recovery and just flash a rom of your choice
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evo4gnoob said:
Your nand unlocked already so just flash a recovery then the superuser zip and binaries located at androidsu.com or just flash a recovery and just flash a rom of your choice
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SWEET! Wow. I should have loaded in to bootloader in the store so I can be like yo... I didn't do it this time.
the.emilio said:
So I finally got my replacement phone in today because my previous Evo was boot looping and the Sprint techs couldn't fix it. I was debating whether to root again or wait for a bit. I figured I would just check to see what kind of Evo I am dealing with. I was looking at the HW and it is v.003, with the 4.54 ota. I loaded in to bootloader and saw a little surprise as follows:
SUPERSONIC EVT2-3 SHIP S-OFF
HBOOT 2.16.0001
MICROP-042f
TOUCH PANEL-ATMELC03_16ac
RADIO-2.15.00.0808
Since it says S-OFF, am I already rooted? Any way I can test this?
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Wow! What kind of luck is that !!?? Sprint gave you a rooted (unlocked, rather) Evo!? Awesome. I rooted my HW 002 right after launch, so I wouldn't even know how to root these days. Lol. Awesome for you! When I rooted, there was a main version and mtd you could flash thru hboot and then a few terminal commands to install recovery and...viola. lucky you
sent from AOKP heaven
Just to clarify, all I need to do is flash a custom recovery and then make a nandroid backup (just in case) and flash a custom rom? So I can save the pc36img for amon on the root of my sd, load in to boot loader, let it read and update, then load recovery from there right? Just want to make sure I am not missing anything. Typically, I have to go through the trouble of unlocking it first lol.
the.emilio said:
Just to clarify, all I need to do is flash a custom recovery and then make a nandroid backup (just in case) and flash a custom rom? So I can save the pc36img for amon on the root of my sd, load in to boot loader, let it read and update, then load recovery from there right? Just want to make sure I am not missing anything. Typically, I have to go through the trouble of unlocking it first lol.
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Correct
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Cool! Thanks again for clarifying that. Wow unlocked straight from Sprint. It is refurbished. I figured they would check that before sending them out again? Flashed Amon_RA 2.3 and got ICS p8 from drew loaded up now. I feel complete again!!!
the.emilio said:
SWEET! Wow. I should have loaded in to bootloader in the store so I can be like yo... I didn't do it this time.
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This made me laugh
~ I'm a fungi
the.emilio said:
Cool! Thanks again for clarifying that. Wow unlocked straight from Sprint. It is refurbished. I figured they would check that before sending them out again? Flashed Amon_RA 2.3 and got ICS p8 from drew loaded up now. I feel complete again!!!
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I've seen this before. Apparently, since the OG is EOL, they don't care anymore. As long as there's stock firmware on there and they fixed whatever hardware issue there was, I guess they figure if it's rooted it doesn't matter, since it's out of warranty anyway .
My brother received his refurbished EVO in November and brought it to me to root and it was already s-off. Consider it a gift I guess.
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stuck in boot loop - help!

I bought this phone off ebay for my wife.
It's stuck in boot loop. I tried RUU and I tried installing cwm recovery.img without any luck. I looked at some similar posts here on xda and googled some results, but no success. I need some help. Thanks.
HTC EVO 4G
S-OFF
HBOOT-6.16.1002
Your phone was rooted using Revolutionary. CWM recovery was installed by default. Do a search for Smelmus recovery, and follow the directions to get it on the phone. Smelkus is Amon Ra based, whereas CWM isn't. CWM is known for causing issues on the OG EVO, particularly due to not wiping properly. Once you get Smelkus installed you can run the superwipe in the wipe menu from recovery and also do a factory reset. Then you should be good to go.
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FinZ28 said:
Your phone was rooted using Revolutionary. CWM recovery was installed by default. Do a search for Smelmus recovery, and follow the directions to get it on the phone. Smelkus is Amon Ra based, whereas CWM isn't. CWM is known for causing issues on the OG EVO, particularly due to not wiping properly. Once you get Smelkus installed you can run the superwipe in the wipe menu from recovery and also do a factory reset. Then you should be good to go.
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ok - searched and found 5 different files for PM36IMG - I tried using the one for AOKP. I tried installing via fastboot - still get bootloop when booting to recovery. I also installed successfully from bootloader - but it still boot loops. Any ideas?
Any ideas - I'm stuck
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mook_ said:
Any ideas - I'm stuck
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I would suggest using AmonRa v2.3 Recovery.
TEAM MiK
MikROMs Since 3/13/11
prboy1969 said:
I would suggest using AmonRa v2.3 Recovery.
TEAM MiK
MikROMs Since 3/13/11
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Just tried it - same thing boot loop. I tried it in these steps:
- RUU 2.3
- install pc36img v2.3.zip (amonra) by bootloader
All it does is keeps rebooting itself.
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Anyone - it just loops loops loops. More info:
Supersonic evt3 s-off
Hboot-6.16.1002
Microp-041f
Touchpanel-atmel224_16ab
Radio-2.15.00.11.19
Mar 8 2011, 17:02:15
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Any other ideas? Please.
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Could be hardware failure.
death-by-soap said:
Could be hardware failure.
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I would think more along the lines that the partitions got messed up - but OK. Any other ideas
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mook_ said:
Just tried it - same thing boot loop. I tried it in these steps:
- RUU 2.3
- install pc36img v2.3.zip (amonra) by bootloader
All it does is keeps rebooting itself.
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Ok so I might be missing something. You said you RUU'd , but you say it's still "S-Off" . Did the RUU not take ? Or are you re-rooting the device afterward ?
Sounds like the bootloop of death that has befallen a few evos over the years. Captain throwback may be of some assistance with this, he's the only person I know who successfully recovered one that I know of.
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prboy1969 said:
Ok so I might be missing something. You said you RUU'd , but you say it's still "S-Off" . Did the RUU not take ? Or are you re-rooting the device afterward ?
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The RUU must have not taken because it's still S-OFF and it is in infinite boot loop whether i flash a recovery or just power it on.
im having a similar problem. except im stuck in s-on not bootoing past bootloader or cwm recovery. ive tried loading roms but noting works stock or otherwise. basically im left with cwm recovery screens or boot screen thats is any ideas?????
mook_ said:
The RUU must have not taken because it's still S-OFF and it is in infinite boot loop whether i flash a recovery or just power it on.
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If you were originaly Rooted with Revolutionary check out THIS thread. It should help you get back to Stock so you can get out of Boot-loop.
sledgod said:
im having a similar problem. except im stuck in s-on not bootoing past bootloader or cwm recovery. ive tried loading roms but noting works stock or otherwise. basically im left with cwm recovery screens or boot screen thats is any ideas?????
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Were you rooted prior to this ? Did you try to run an RUU ?
prboy1969 said:
If you were originaly Rooted with Revolutionary check out THIS thread. It should help you get back to Stock so you can get out of Boot-loop.
Were you rooted prior to this ? Did you try to run an RUU ?
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I bought this phone like this off ebay - I believe it was rooted by revolutionary before I purchased it. It's in a boot loop now. Yes I tried RUUing it a few times. Haven't had a chance to look at it for a few days...but I will over Thanksgiving, thanks all for your advice. I'll try again and report back.
Ok keep us posted.
TEAM MiK
MikROMs Since 3/13/11
prboy1969 said:
If you were originaly Rooted with Revolutionary check out THIS thread. It should help you get back to Stock so you can get out of Boot-loop.
Were you rooted prior to this ? Did you try to run an RUU ?
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the hex-pc36img did not turn s-on nor remove revolutionary
the second step in the link you provided i renamed to pc36img and updated/rebooted still looped
mook_ said:
the hex-pc36img did not turn s-on nor remove revolutionary
the second step in the link you provided i renamed to pc36img and updated/rebooted still looped
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Check out the post HERE by Captain_Throwback.
prboy1969 said:
Check out the post HERE by Captain_Throwback.
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prboy - thanks! I'll give it a try this weekend.

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