This is a bit off topic but still effects all of us.
So the ITU is attempting to form a coup in order to oust the American dominated ICANN for control over the international 'standards' of the internet. The ITU is comprised of countries such as China and Iran who want people to have registered IP's in order to gain internet access. Of course that means what anonymity you still have online will be completely lost. Other things they'd like to see happen are international mandated standards for packet delivery which could lead to easier censorship. Of course there are more things that certain countries in the ITU would like to see happen but that list is long. A lot of the major players in the ITU are also major offenders and oppressors of human rights and civil uprisings against the established government (eg. China).
This isn't to say ICANN is better, it's US led. Being American I can say for a fact that this government is far from a saint with oppression, human rights, freedom/privacy, and tyrannical tendencies (some may disagree on that one).
Of course the US is fighting this but honestly, this is exactly what the US government wants. The "fight" they're putting up is just a facade. I say this because after SOPA and all the other bills, what the ITU wants is eerily similar. This whole issue could be 6 of one 1/2 a dozen o the other though. Could the ICU be better for us than ICANN? After all, just because China or Russia wants the internet one way doesn't mean it will happen. Or does it?
It all just seems to convenient. The US admits to Stuxnet (thanks Obama) while Flame remains unclaimed. The ITU wants different standards to "combat" these issues but also lock down the internet. They use Flame as a major example why this needs to happen. The US "fights" the ITU and looks like the good guy but loses. In the end every government involved gets what they want: control over information and people.
Anybody else know about this whole situation? Any opinions or viewpoints? How about the lack of oversight that exists and will continue?
I don't see the internet ever leaving the hands of ICANN. Too much of the backbone is owned by the US Govt directly or US corporations. Not just here, but overseas as well.
Of course the international community wants a bigger say who wouldn't?
Let me leave you with an analogy. If you are my neighbor and I build a road but let you connect your property to my road I am a nice guy. If you start telling me how I should run my road I might listen or I might keep you off my road but it doesn't change who owns the road.
I do agree that the US has far too much vested in ICANN to even consider leaving. That being the case, if these other countries continue with the ITU it seems that would almost create two different internets (plural internet? what an odd idea). While I agree with America building the metaphorical road, the truth is that we don't own it. In fact nobody truly owns it. We could shut down all the servers in the US or block outside access but that won't necessarily halt the rest of the worlds internet. Though it might be a pretty big hit on the commerce end.
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We could shut down all the servers in the US or block outside access but that won't necessarily halt the rest of the worlds internet.
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Yah, it pretty much would. So much of the core backbone rests in US control, that if the US shut it off, MOST of the internet would stop functioning.
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Yah, it pretty much would. So much of the core backbone rests in US control, that if the US shut it off, MOST of the internet would stop functioning.
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Didn't know that. I truly don't have a full grasp on how much of the internet the US controls on the hardware side.
Not to seem like I'm wearing a tinfoil hat or anything, just posing a question. The wants of the ITU seem to be exactly the same as what the US government wants when you take SOPA and all the other bills into account, do they not? So wouldn't it seem only logical for the US to pretend to fight the ITU, only to lose, have what they (the government) want, but still look squeaky clean?
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Didn't know that. I truly don't have a full grasp on how much of the internet the US controls on the hardware side.
Not to seem like I'm wearing a tinfoil hat or anything, just posing a question. The wants of the ITU seem to be exactly the same as what the US government wants when you take SOPA and all the other bills into account, do they not? So wouldn't it seem only logical for the US to pretend to fight the ITU, only to lose, have what they (the government) want, but still look squeaky clean?
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Let's say you own billions of dollars worth of networking gear and fiber. Would you let an international group tell you how you MUST use it?
I see a future where packets leaving the ICANN backbone being filtered on a MAC or IP basis. Think borders and passports in the digital world. Want to visit China, digitally? Papers please, comrade.
Edit: you don't want an ITU controlled internet. How well had the UN worked out for us? Recently the Soviet bloc has been vetoing things simply on party principle. Those countries hate the internet. Why would you want to give them control of it? As bad as things are here, it doesn't hold a candle to some of the ITU countries. You don't want to compromise your online freedoms to their standards.
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Let's say you own billions of dollars worth of networking gear and fiber. Would you let an international group tell you how you MUST use it?
I see a future where packets leaving the ICANN backbone being filtered on a MAC or IP basis. Think borders and passports in the digital world. Want to visit China, digitally? Papers please, comrade.
Edit: you don't want an ITU controlled internet. How well had the UN worked out for us? Recently the Soviet bloc has been vetoing things simply on party principle. Those countries hate the internet. Why would you want to give them control of it? As bad as things are here, it doesn't hold a candle to some of the ITU countries. You don't want to compromise your online freedoms to their standards.
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Well no, I don't want to compromise my online freedoms. However, our government wouldn't have it any other way if they could. Considering the ITU's main focus from what I've read so far is to strip anonymity from the internet and also control who comes in and who goes out. Literally tracking your every click. If you have a website and they don't like you (or somebody has enough money and doesn't like you) they block you from the internet. That is exactly what the US government wants to do. I don't really think the government cares how well the internet performs for us, it's seen as a luxury for the most part, not a right for every citizen. I personally don't see them caring much about what the ITU says regarding the civilian network. If it works, good. They'd rather play internet god than worry about how our traffic is dealt with on public networks. Just my opinion on it anyway.
The idea of needing papers, or rather a digital certificate, to access another countries network is insane. The internet use to be a place you could go to let loose, that last great freedom. Now you have to watch your every click and every word you type.
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I do agree that the US has far too much vested in ICANN to even consider leaving. That being the case, if these other countries continue with the ITU it seems that would almost create two different internets (plural internet? what an odd idea). While I agree with America building the metaphorical road, the truth is that we don't own it. In fact nobody truly owns it. We could shut down all the servers in the US or block outside access but that won't necessarily halt the rest of the worlds internet. Though it might be a pretty big hit on the commerce end.
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Actually there are already two internets. Public which we use and secret which the military uses, but that's beside the point.
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Just learned about the Celebrite UFED device currently available and in use by law enforcement (Link listed below). The UFED connects to mobile devices (indeed the Epic) and extracts every bit of data - to include previously deleted data potentially. This means all text messages, passwords, browser history, banking information, Google accounts, Facebook, etc. will all be rendered as part of the public record once judicial precedings commence. And even if charges are dismissed and the record is sealed, the integrity of the extracted information has been compromised and cannot be viewed as safe.
So I am asking if any dev's might be able to restore the fourth amendment constitutional protection against illegal search and seizure through the magic that ya'll do. For those who might be thinking they have nothing to hide and this would only benefit criminals, keep in mind that silently giving up civil liberties is a slippery slope. It starts off small, but (conspiracy kook sounding, I know) turns into opening up your nightstands for government types before bed. While I support the need for efforts by law enforcement in assuring the safety of our communities, I DO NOT support trickery and loopholes around the judicial process like the overtly invasive Celebrite UFED technology. I'm interested to hear any thoughts on this issue and if anyone with more knowledge in this are than I will step forward to secure our privacy and peace of mind.
cellebrite-com (forum won't allow me to post actual link)
I don't have a problem with this at all. If your stupid enough to do criminal stuff on your phone then you should go to jail. In actuality the US Supreme Court ruled recently that a cell phone is not constitutionally protected via 4th Ammendment. I think someone was arrested and they looked at his messages and found someone else who conspired to commit a felony. They charged him as well....
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Eh if you are caught doing something stupid then yes it MIGHT be necessary. But if its abuse then we have a right to defend yourself.
I'm pretty sure that there are certain criteria for it to work. It was in a thread somewhere. When I find it ill edit my post.
I think they were:
Must have a sd card inserted
Usb debug must be on
*something else I can't remember*
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Just learned about the Celebrite UFED device currently available and in use by law enforcement (Link listed below). The UFED connects to mobile devices (indeed the Epic) and extracts every bit of data - to include previously deleted data potentially. This means all text messages, passwords, browser history, banking information, Google accounts, Facebook, etc. will all be rendered as part of the public record once judicial precedings commence. And even if charges are dismissed and the record is sealed, the integrity of the extracted information has been compromised and cannot be viewed as safe.
So I am asking if any dev's might be able to restore the fourth amendment constitutional protection against illegal search and seizure through the magic that ya'll do. For those who might be thinking they have nothing to hide and this would only benefit criminals, keep in mind that silently giving up civil liberties is a slippery slope. It starts off small, but (conspiracy kook sounding, I know) turns into opening up your nightstands for government types before bed. While I support the need for efforts by law enforcement in assuring the safety of our communities, I DO NOT support trickery and loopholes around the judicial process like the overtly invasive Celebrite UFED technology. I'm interested to hear any thoughts on this issue and if anyone with more knowledge in this are than I will step forward to secure our privacy and peace of mind.
cellebrite-com (forum won't allow me to post actual link)
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Firstly, "be part of the public record" is not true. Only evidence pertaining to the case at hand may be submitted in to some form of record. So while yes, there will be a person(s) scouring all of the information, anything irrelevant (ie, not usable as evidence) would not be saved.
With this in mind, how would this constitute illegal search and seizure? You said so yourself "once judicial precedings begin"; such as a search warrant. So there is no breaking of the constitution there...and furthermore, once a search warrant is obtained, anything of yours that falls within the scope of the warrant is subject to search. So, to me, this is no different than if a cop read through every page of your diary looking for evidence. Because the unneccessary stuff will not be saved.
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I am actually a law student, and this is illegal as long as you have a reasonable expectation of privacy (ie: YOU HAVE A PASSWORD) As long as you have a lock password it is illegal. Also, I have used cellebrites and they don't usually work anyway unless the phone is unlocked, so just keep your phone locked and if an officer asks you to unlock it, tell them to get a search warrant.
Wow aren't we ignorant. If it were that simple. How many people who were on death row have they let out because years later they find evidence that clears them. How many times hagve you heard of someone spending years in jail for rape to find DNA evidence clears them?
Unfortunately people in law enforcement are human beings flawed like the rest of us. If they can read the data who is to say they can't put incrimintating data on just because they don't like you?
I think it is easy to make blanket ignorant statements like this totally ignoring reality unless you are the one who is wronged.
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I don't have a problem with this at all. If your stupid enough to do criminal stuff on your phone then you should go to jail. In actuality the US Supreme Court ruled recently that a cell phone is not constitutionally protected via 4th Ammendment. I think someone was arrested and they looked at his messages and found someone else who conspired to commit a felony. They charged him as well....
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My concern is not for criminals to be allowed to freely conduct their activities under protection from prosecution. And while cellphones have been ruled as not protected under the fourth amendment, handsets like the Epic interconnect to provide access into far more areas for personal data than a simple cellphone. in fact the courts have ruled that email, for example, IS protected by the fourth amendment. What this device represents is a "work around" into individual privacy.
More and more we as a nation have been relinquishing our privacy rights in support of protecting our safety and security. However, it's been almost a decade of this trend and the nation has been evolving ever since toward everybody knowing your business. We might not have anything to hide, but we must also have legal protections for cases which involve potentially corrupt individuals from abusing the systems which allow them use of this invasive device.
I agree, police officers are surprisingly uninformed of Supreme court law. They usually don't care until it affects them, like when the exclusionary rule told them "Hey, wanna **** these defendants over? Well now their free, good job asshole."
Plus there are crooked cops that could use your passwords they find on your phone (even if you aren't doing anything wrong on it) and sign in to your Facebook and IM to find out more info about you. Is this okay? If so then go to a communist state where you aren't allowed to have secrets from the government.
excellent point, squshy 7. But "part of the public record" was not meant to be taken as the only reason for concern. While protocol calls for the data to be disposed of if nothing happens, we don't live in a perfect world. Evidence is lost. Incorrect limbs get amputated. People forget to do things or believe something important has already been done. And corruption among those of authority can and does happen. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. So why let it happen needlessly in the first place?
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excellent point, squshy 7. But "part of the public record" was not meant to be taken as the only reason for concern. While protocol calls for the data to be disposed of if nothing happens, we don't live in a perfect world. Evidence is lost. Incorrect limbs get amputated. People forget to do things or believe something important has already been done. And corruption among those of authority can and does happen. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. So why let it happen needlessly in the first place?
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Honestly dude, I've come to terms with the fact that mistrusting everyone in charge for fear of corruption is unfounded. Its actually much simpler than that.
Most humans are idiots.
Hence our messed up world. Not evil. Just stupidity.
Once one realizes that, it becomes alot easier. Because then you'll see that there is truly nothing you can do about it.
Lol. Im a misanthrope to the max
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Benjamin Franklin said:
Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.
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And that sums up MY opinion on this matter, but really, just look at my previous post and just keep your phone locked.
Censura_Umbra said:
I agree, police officers are surprisingly uninformed of Supreme court law. They usually don't care until it affects them, like when the exclusionary rule told them "Hey, wanna **** these defendants over? Well now their free, good job asshole."
Plus there are crooked cops that could use your passwords they find on your phone (even if you aren't doing anything wrong on it) and sign in to your Facebook and IM to find out more info about you. Is this okay? If so then go to a communist state where you aren't allowed to have secrets from the government.
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Why are you putting illegal stuff on your Facebook? What's there that can't be retrieved via birth records, driver's licenses, and marriage certificates...all of which are already in the government's records?
A crooked cop can plant any kind of evidence they want to incriminate you. It doesn't have to be on your phone. Heck it's probably not even worth their effort.
Any decent lawyer can get that stuff tossed anyway. If anything, it's harder than ever to successfully prosecute someone, not easier.
And really, as resource strapped as police departments are, they're not looking at you at all unless you ARE doing something illegal. Don't use the word "wrong" because it's not necessarily the same as "illegal."
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And that sums up MY opinion on this matter, but really, just look at my previous post and just keep your phone locked.
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You confuse freedom with anarchy. You're free to do what you want. You're also free to accept any and all consequences.
Censura_Umbra said:
I am actually a law student, and this is illegal as long as you have a reasonable expectation of privacy (ie: YOU HAVE A PASSWORD) As long as you have a lock password it is illegal. Also, I have used cellebrites and they don't usually work anyway unless the phone is unlocked, so just keep your phone locked and if an officer asks you to unlock it, tell them to get a search warrant.
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This. The cellebrites we use at Sprint at least, require the device to be unlocked(unless the Android has USB debugging on already, in which case I believe it can bypass the lock). If a blackberry has a password on it, it pops up on the machine requesting you enter the password on the machine.
So technically it can "bypass" your lock, but only if you enter the lock on the cellebrite machine.
LOL the cellbrites carriers have obviously were only meant to transfer contacts, pictures, etc. By error, Ive been to extract this information even when the phone was locked. Im sure they can program a machine to bypass all of that.
Uh and yes EVERY american must give up some freedom for security. This is nothing new. As long as you dont do some stupid ****, then you have nothing to worry about. Anyway, most of us on here have rooted phones. You know rooted phones exposes your passwords, etc right?
socos25 said:
Wow aren't we ignorant. If it were that simple. How many people who were on death row have they let out because years later they find evidence that clears them. How many times hagve you heard of someone spending years in jail for rape to find DNA evidence clears them?
Unfortunately people in law enforcement are human beings flawed like the rest of us. If they can read the data who is to say they can't put incrimintating data on just because they don't like you?
I think it is easy to make blanket ignorant statements like this totally ignoring reality unless you are the one who is wronged.
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Not ignorant by any shape of the imagination, as I have experience on both sides of the law. As someone said "Democracy is the worst form of government, except all the other ones that have been tried." Nothing is perfect and innocent people may be jailed or executed. Not saying that is good, but that it works most of the time...which is why I live in the USA.
If you have lived as long as I have then you would know that things go up and down (conservative & liberal) in this country. Now we are in a conservative swing and we do need some balance as we move away from the days of coddling criminals and granting more rights to them than the rest of us get.
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I'd like to say this..
1) your locks are pointless if you have clockworkmod installed...as they can just backup your rom lol..as cwm has no password protect option...
2) You can always restore data...1 wipe i never enough..I had my sd cards erased a few times...I was able to recover 100% the contents..to do a proper wipe you gotta wipe 7 times using 0's method and alternating 1's and 0's..to note..this isnt going to make the data unrecoverable..just more expensive to recover...the point in wiping data is not that its unrecoverable but wipe it enough so that it isnt worth it financially for the other side to recover it.
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Uh and yes EVERY american must give up some freedom for security. This is nothing new.
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actually, this IS new, and those that believe the above quoted 'line' deserve neither freedom or security.
For example, is it ok for a police officer who does a traffic stop for improper lane change (for example) to snatch out the cellebrite device and ask you to hand over your cell phone ? NO.. without a search warrant or probable cause (at the very least) he has no right or authority to dig around in your phone.
If you were just involved in an accident, then i could see the possibility of scanning your phone to determine if you were texting while driving, thus contributing to the accident. Officers in Michigan could be using this device for routine traffic stops according to this article
Basically, we've ventured off topic anyway.. the question that remains (regardless of the 'conspiracy theory' sounding debate) is:
is it possible for the devs to prevent this device from scanning our phones ?
QUOTE- "OPEN is a targeted, effective solution to the problem of foreign, rogue websites stealing from American artists and innovators," Issa said in a statement. "Today's Internet blackout has underscored the flawed approach taken by SOPA and PIPA to the real problem of intellectual property infringement. OPEN is a smarter way to protect taxpayers' rights while protecting the Internet."
http://www.keepthewebopen.com/
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Anyone who speaks legalese want to look this over and tell us if we need to fear this, or if this is a viable alternative to SOPA/PIPA??
Either way, we need to keep pressure on Congress to protect our 1st Amendment. Keep calling your State reps!!
Jesus Christ. Another one?
The music and movie industry has deeper pockets and more patience than we the people do. Eventually we will get tired of sending letters and signing petitions and these types of laws will get through. It's nice to know big business can buy...err, I mean help pass laws to deny us rights...err, I mean protect us from evil foreign enemies.
sopa means soup in spanish so ppl here make jokes like:
-a grandma says- "in my days sopa was a food" lol
Not agin, this is going to be annoying when they come up with another SOPA similar thing.
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Maybe we should start blacklisting/boycoting companies who urge to push these laws into reality don't you think so?
Riyal said:
Maybe we should start blacklisting/boycoting companies who urge to push these laws into reality don't you think so?
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We can start by boycotting the RIAA, MPAA, CBS, Disney, CNet, among others...this is just a tiny percentage of the companies backing SOPA/PIPA/OPEN.
I haven't had the chance to read over the OPEN Act; what about it makes it a better alternative to SOPA and PIPA?
Actually this piece of legislation was the one they were looking to get passed. There is a movement for something called 'Thick Whois'. The premise is that the owner of any new (and eventually old) website would be required to provide a form of ID to register a website. There is likely to goals behind this - one is to implement a national sales tax and the other is that they will now be able to more effectively target individuals.
If you combine the premise of 'Thick Whois' with OPEN, they could effectively choke the revenue stream of any one they target. This is a dangerous piece of legislation!
I WISH we could have SOPA sometimes just to get rid of all the stupid pics people post here (which are clearly violating copyright laws).
It should be noted that while SOPA and PIPA were steadfastly backed by the entertainment industry giants like the MPAA and RIAA, those groups vehemently oppose OPEN as not being strong enough. (See the Wikipedia article on the Online Protection and Enforcement of Digital Trade Act, which actually seems to spell OPEDT Act...)
I still don't think it's a good idea to try to police the Internet at all (since almost any moderately effective effort is going to involve censorship), but at least OPEN is less draconian than its predecessors.
OPEN leaves too many doors open to further limiting legislation
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It should be noted that while SOPA and PIPA were steadfastly backed by the entertainment industry giants like the MPAA and RIAA, those groups vehemently oppose OPEN as not being strong enough. (See the Wikipedia article on the Online Protection and Enforcement of Digital Trade Act, which actually seems to spell OPEDT Act...)
I still don't think it's a good idea to try to police the Internet at all (since almost any moderately effective effort is going to involve censorship), but at least OPEN is less draconian than its predecessors.
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In attempting to read it, and my ability to translate legal bs is limited, what I have "learned" is that it doesn't appear as intensive as SOPA/PIPA, but it seems to still leave the doors open for legislation later...and those O.P.E.N doors are what scare me. I do know that it is still backed by some of the big players from SOPA/PIPA, but they are complaining that it isn't tough enough. I am guessing they will take anything they can get though.
I have a real issue with my Constitutional rights getting changed or limited or revoked, just so some rich, fat cat, s.o.b working in Hollywood can further line his/her pockets
Getting tired of all these attempts to pass this mess entertainment industry is just about as bad as the Oil companies now, a politician in every pocket
But really time could be better spent on fixing over things in the nation that are far more in need
My opinion is that the entertainment industry needs to come up with SOMETHING that makes it worth going to the movies. The way I see it now, the bands that play the shows are actually working for their money instead of sitting there. The movie theaters need to come up with something that the average consumer can't afford or is too large. That would cut down on piracy. Thery're just lazy......
i want to know why the megaupload and filesonic are closed? if those sites are closed why xda is here? i love xda but just wonderig
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i want to know why the megaupload and filesonic are closed? if those sites are closed why xda is here? i love xda but just wonderig
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xda doesn't host any illegal downloads.
This is just my point of view. Music artistes and movie producers, actors etc should not be that concerned about piracy. For example, I watch a pirated movie online. After the movie, I realized that the acting of some actor is really good. Chances are, I world appreciate that actor more and appreciate his products more. Then, the actor has now one more fan and the probability of me catching one of his movies in the cinema would be higher as I would want to support him. Just my two cents
We fight against ACTA right now in Poland. I've never seen politicians lie so blatantly (I know, I was being naive) about things that you can check in one minute. I think they got some huge "gifts" for forcing ACTA on us because they never before stood so firmly against such opposition. In my opinion piracy is a business problem - you need to make people want to buy your staff even if they can pirate it for free any time - not prosecute them.
I wanted to go to cinema for Prometheus, The Hobbit and new Batman but right now I think I'm going to boycott them, I don't want to finance acts like ACTA/SOPA etc.
I don't know much about these acts, but all they made me do is hate our ****ed up government even more! Gah
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Hi developers and friends,
Seeing as our wonderful E4GT developers were on the bleeding edge of Carrier IQ and generally seem to be really knowledgeable about our phone compared to a lot of other communities on XDA (no diss intended), I figured this would be a good place to ask. You may or may not have seen this article already:
Police Are Using Phone Tracking as a Routine Tool
(nytimes.com/2012/04/01/us/police-tracking-of-cellphones-raises-privacy-fears.html - can't hyperlink it due to post count, sorry)
I know there's no way to prevent tower-based geolocation, but the article (and the associated ACLU documents) also mentioned that some police departments have successfully subpoenaed GPS lat/long information from carriers. From what you guys know, does Android still send any sort of fine location data back to Sprint/Google now that Carrier IQ is gone? (Don't worry about WiFi location inference stuff)
Also, general question to Sprint techs willing to fathom a guess: Does Sprint store enough data to be able to triangulate (trilaterate?) location postmortem past general tower radius? My hunch is to say that call quality data would only include the tower(s) primarily responsible for a call or roamed to, but I'm not nearly savvy enough in regards to cell networks to know if that's anywhere near accurate. (I've been lead to believe that tracking in general is slightly more theoretically complex on CDMA-based networks than UMTS/GSM - not sure if that's right either)
Don't worry, I'm not a serial killer or anything - but the question perked my interest.
(Figured I would ask here since it doesn't seem to fit well into the typical Q&A fare and since this is also discussion-worthy too; feel free to move if you disagree, mods)
If I really wanted to be "off the grid" either use a prepaid phone where personal info isn't linked to you or use land lines.
I dont think google or sprint would just hand over gps locations with out some kind of warrent, but then again if you have warrent that the police or FBI are going to those lengths to find you, your already in deep doodoo.
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If I really wanted to be "off the grid" either use a prepaid phone where personal info isn't linked to you or use land lines.
I dont think google or sprint would just hand over gps locations with out some kind of warrent, but then again if you have warrent that the police or FBI are going to those lengths to find you, your already in deep doodoo.
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Unfortunately it depends on your state laws, some places have already gotten some of the carriers to hand over location info without a warrant. They had even gone so far as to plant their own GPS trackers on vehicles surreptitiously without a warrant. It has caused a pretty big stink among privacy advocates. The way this country is going with spying on its own citizens I'm tempted to buy an emf reader to sweep my house and car for bugs :-S
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Am i the only one that doesn't care if the government or sprint know about how much porn i look at or how much weed i smoke or what other random bull**** they might figure out from my phone? Lol Maybe I'm just blessed that none of my crimes are worth the effort it would take to bust me for them
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Am i the only one that doesn't care if the government or sprint know about how much porn i look at or how much weed i smoke or what other random bull**** they might figure out from my phone? Lol Maybe I'm just blessed that none of my crimes are worth the effort it would take to bust me for them
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Its not that I care they know what I do, its more the principal of them trying to take my GD constitutional rights away, if I wanted to be monitored 24/7 I'd move to effing China or N.Korea
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We all know one of the biggest gripes about Windows Phone is the lack of a few key apps. I know that I frequently contact a few companies to let them know that I am looking forward to a Windows Phone version of their existing apps and I’m sure others do as well. So companies get a smattering of requests from some users here and there.
Just wondering if perhaps we focus on one or a few particular apps at a time with many people emailing, tweeting, comments on Facebook etc in a sustained way to let them see that there is actual interest from a large number of users in the Windows Phone community. Who knows, maybe if there is enough noise, some of them will rethink their stand.
Not sure if this is the right place for this, but seemed like good place to see what people think.
Thoughts?
Bad idea. Software business works by different way. No one cares about your tweets or fb posts or forum noise - it's just a children game.
I agree that it may not make a difference, however companies often do actually listen to what people are saying. If it sounds like there is a demand, some companies who have been on the fence, may well pull the trigger and make something happen.
I've had luck getting companies to do things when I ask publicly that they wouldn't do when I asked privately. So it seems like getting more people asking publicly may well help in some instances.
willp2 said:
I agree that it may not make a difference, however companies often do actually listen to what people are saying. If it sounds like there is a demand, some companies who have been on the fence, may well pull the trigger and make something happen.
I've had luck getting companies to do things when I ask publicly that they wouldn't do when I asked privately. So it seems like getting more people asking publicly may well help in some instances.
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Other than XDA, if you also post this on WPCentral forum, you will get much much much better and enthusiastic response for such requests. There is a list of app-requests somwhere in this forum too, if you wanted a place to pick apps-in-demand from.
I'm afraid you are mistaken. Companies are "listening" their marketing stuff, investors and personal CEO/chairman opinions. Neither facebook posts nor tweets can change company budget, marketing strategy or development roadmap. In fact, the most companies are controlled by the intelligent and informed people, so you may be sure they already knew about WP7 platform
P.S. Let me guess: you've never worked in software industry, don't you?
Thanks for the comments on WPCentral forum, good point. More regular users over there.
sensboston - You made my point exactly. Companies are listening to marketing staff, investors and personal CEO/chairman opinions. Those people, especially the marketing types pay attention to what the outside world is saying. If they see noise about a particular topic, it gets their attention.
For instance, if that company releases a new version of an app that has big problems, they'll hear about it first from all those social sources and they will generally try to react quickly to quite down the noise.
Not that it matters or even relevant to what I'm talking about here, but I've been in the software industry for over 20 years.
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For instance, if that company releases a new version of an app that has big problems, they'll hear about it first from all those social sources and they will generally try to react quickly to quite down the noise.
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It's a completely different case. Yes, I agree - huge noise/rumors about critical bug in popular app/software can push (some) companies to force fix or workaround immediately (good example is a Nokia representatives, who's - I believe - are monitoring XDA forums daily)
But porting app to the different platform (especially to WP7!) is very complicated. Most primary titles are written on C++ and uses native code/API calls. "Porting" C++ code to C#/Silverlight isn't just "porting"; it's much more close to complete rewrite. Also WP7 platform support means an additional tier of Q&A and etc. and so on (if you are really worked more than 20 years in industry you can easily extend these requirements).
100 or even 1000 facebook posts and forum requests can't show you a real app demand but statistics can. Unfortunately WP7 market share currently is too small (at the end of 2011 it was about 2%).
I thought there was a similar thread already, but if not then perhaps we can do that. I heard a company saying, they'll port it to windows phone if they enough demands.
I do get that it's not a trivial task.
Again I was really just getting at the many companies who are already considering moving to Windows Phone but are on the fence.
As we know more and more apps are being ported every week so many companies already have been thinking about, planning or are already doing it. In some cases a little public pressure may at least confirm to them that people are interested and perhaps move things along.
lamborg - sorry if someone else already brought this up in another thread, I did search around first.
willp2 said:
I do get that it's not a trivial task.
Again I was really just getting at the many companies who are already considering moving to Windows Phone but are on the fence.
As we know more and more apps are being ported every week so many companies already have been thinking about, planning or are already doing it. In some cases a little public pressure may at least confirm to them that people are interested and perhaps move things along.
lamborg - sorry if someone else already brought this up in another thread, I did search around first.
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I am not sure either but I think I have seen a similar thread, Anyway, if that cannot be found.
BTW it was I think Draw Something which said about the enough demand.
Maybe try crowd funding
Maybe this is an area where crowd funding could help.
I mean, people can make noise about want for a particular WP7 app as much as they like, but at the end of the day somebody has to pay for development, in some way, either directly or indirectly.
A successful crowd funding campaign for an app would probably prove much more that there really is demand than just so many Facebook postings.
Of course there is also the danger that such a campaign fails miserably and shows that there isn't real demand, just a very vocal but small minority wanting the app...
rbrunner7 said:
Maybe this is an area where crowd funding could help.
I mean, people can make noise about want for a particular WP7 app as much as they like, but at the end of the day somebody has to pay for development, in some way, either directly or indirectly.
A successful crowd funding campaign for an app would probably prove much more that there really is demand than just so many Facebook postings.
Of course there is also the danger that such a campaign fails miserably and shows that there isn't real demand, just a very vocal but small minority wanting the app...
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Guarantee this would not get noticed. Most users on the site don't even donate to the devs that post apps here that they use, let alone donate to some fund for the possibility of an app being ported.
Standard contractor rates for a software engineer are about $100 to $150 per hour. Salaried devs make less, but the cost is close to the same for companies because of benefits packages. So, 1 day of dev time for 1 developer is going to cost around $1000. My guess is a crowd fund would not even reach $100. But even if $10000 were collected, that would only cover a team of 5 for 2 days. And, 5 days for 20 business days would cost $100000. And this is is exactly why companies have been slow to bring apps over. It's expensive.
The other aspect is that although the syntax is similar in C#, Java, and C++; there are enough differences to make it less than a simple task to just switch over. Most devs with experience have been doing either C# or Java or C++. Most have not been doing all 3. This means paying money and taking time to get the existing devs trained or hire additional devs and transfering domain knowledge to them. Both have costs. (Note: iPhone is Objective C, which is different, but also has similarities. Same issues though)
Many companies just don't have the resources to spend when the return on investment is not short term. Long term as more consumers buy Windows Phones, it will be more economically viable for companies to invest in porting the applications.
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Guarantee this would not get noticed. Most users on the site don't even donate to the devs that post apps here that they use
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He-he... Most users on the site are too lazy, greedy and irresponsible not even for donation but just for vote and review published here on XDA apps And some are so ungrateful that they forget just to say "Thanks"... Don't tell me about donations: I've collected money for Cotulla, for the Samsung's first freedom ROM for WP7... From hundreds of Focus owners here only 13 or 14 people are donated.
As for your arguments: it's 100% true for an adult professionals but of course not for 12-14 years old teens who "has over 20 years of software industry experience"
Yeah, I am myself a professional developer at day time, and I know how much it costs my company to employ me
But still, I think not all hope is lost. Some people may read this thread and just maybe change their attitude against devs that offer "free" things a little to the better - good that we talked about it, then!
And as I program in my free time anyway, just for fun, even a crowdsourced 1000 dollars could nudge me in a direction that I would not take otherwise, and people get the app they like. Of course only if the right APIs and server permissions are there to build it in the first place which of course is not always the case - many apps can only be built by the companies who own the corresponding server infrastructure.
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Yeah, I am myself a professional developer at day time, and I know how much it costs my company to employ me
But still, I think not all hope is lost. Some people may read this thread and just maybe change their attitude against devs that offer "free" things a little to the better - good that we talked about it, then!
And as I program in my free time anyway, just for fun, even a crowdsourced 1000 dollars could nudge me in a direction that I would not take otherwise, and people get the app they like. Of course only if the right APIs and server permissions are there to build it in the first place which of course is not always the case - many apps can only be built by the companies who own the corresponding server infrastructure.
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Not to be discouraging, but it is pretty unlikely to get $1000 in donation from users here. It you look at the weather city editor that I wrote (link to thread in signature) for Windows Mobile, I got maybe close to $500 in donations from the time I created it through the entire time I worked on it, supported it, and enhanced it. I created it because I needed it and turned it into more than I needed so others could easily use it. The donations came from maybe 20 to 30 users. It was downloaded by well over 10000 users.
If looking for money as the reward, you are much better off paying Microsoft the $100 and putting the app on the marketplace and charging a dollar or making it be ad supported.
You'll still get respect for making cool things and posting them here, but it's not going to make you rich. It's a great place to learn and get some experience making apps though. Lots of people are willing to help if you get stuck on something.
It's a nice thought but, in reality it wont work
I thought about doing this too...
If you got everyone to attempt to do it, it might but, if you only get 50 people to do it(and that would be a lot in a fourm to request something they might not be interested in) that is a little bit compared to their marketplace with iOS or Android.
I personally really want Cut the Rope but, after posting a handfull of times on their facebook page and even emailing customer service, no luck
I cannot, for the life of me, figure out why I can't log in (via the app) on my Google Pixel 6 Pro.
My account is set up by going through my Twitter account. I've tried deleting and recreating a new account using an email, phone number, Facebook, Google, etc., but constantly run into dead ends (such as getting the message that says "Invalid Parameters"when) trying to log in on the app on my Pixel 6 Pro.
Other messages I receive when attempting to do so, read "Unable To Log In" or "Too many attempts. Try again later."
The strange thing is I'm successfully able to get into TikTok on the Chrome Browser (on my phone) as well as other devices I own that have the TikTok app itself.
works fine for me. Are you using any form of adblocker?
This is a really, really silly response, but I honestly don't know. It's possible that I activated, checked on/off, or toggled something on/off in the past. Where should I look? Any specific directions will really help me.
Nevermind! I FINALLY figured it out. I had to switch off the Private DNS option in my phone's settings. Woo-hoo!
Thanks for coming back and reporting the solution. It might help many others in future
yeah working for me and im using adaway.
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I cannot, for the life of me, figure out why I can't log in (via the app) on my Google Pixel 6 Pro.
My account is set up by going through my Twitter account. I've tried deleting and recreating a new account using an email, phone number, Facebook, Google, etc., but constantly run into dead ends (such as getting the message that says "Invalid Parameters"when) trying to log in on the app on my Pixel 6 Pro.
Other messages I receive when attempting to do so, read "Unable To Log In" or "Too many attempts. Try again later."
The strange thing is I'm successfully able to get into TikTok on the Chrome Browser (on my phone) as well as other devices I own that have the TikTok app itself.
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I recommend not using TikTok for any reason. Using it turns you into livestock. It's a disturbing app which, even since it was Musical.ly, has existed for the main purpose of monetizing underage girls.
Even if that's not what you follow, that's the base of the platform. The platform is mainly used by minors, and all of the trends are created by minors. The app serves to sexualize young girls, it rewards them for promiscuity. It devalues their beauty because they show it all for their anonymous, likely adult followers. It's basically a big anonymous grooming movement.
If you ignore this truth of the platform, it's still just taking your EXTREMELY valuable attention, and wasting it, to give time to collect and sell your valuable user data. It's highly likely that data is being illegally accessed.
Shorts are bad for your mind. They are bad for your attention. They teach you to have ADHD. We should only absorb media in long format. TikTok is making ignorant experts in every arena. It is not good for anyone. The fact that the app is psychological terrorism combined with the fact that they are collecting unprecedented amounts of user data should be more than enough to convince any adult to avoid the platform like the plague. Or you can wonder why you can't stare at nothing for hours on end. Whatever you want to look at on TikTok, read about it. If it's girls, give up on that. Lose that which distracts you.
Edit, Call me a conspiracy theorist: musical.ly was dying before Chinese corporations connected to the CCP pumped billions into it. I'm 90% sure that TikTok is a psyop (psychological operation) to spread "tics". It's pretty blatant, all of this. It serves to weaken our men, divide our people, and enable the eventual invasion of the US mainland. For this reason, I will never give into the general weakness I sense within society. I will continue the tradition of manhood at all cost. I'm 24 btw, I was 12 when Instagram was created. I'm not just an old doubter. Social media is detrimental to everything if it's designed to cause addiction.
Edit 2: I understand this in absolutely no way answers what you asked, and I completely pontificated my opinions. For this I apologize. I feel that this information is essential to save our society before it collapses. Some evil dictators want power at all cost, they will sacrifice billions of humans. I will preserve the natural order at all cost, no weak dictator shall dictate over us. Abundance is our right, nature provides infinite abundance. Scarcity is artificial. Do not be controlled by anything but your own mind and heart.
id recommend you burn your phone and go live in a forest dude
Doesnt work for me, but thats because I dont use it because I am not a teenage girl.
Mine randomly turns to big ui, like the res changes to 1080p and I have issues closing the app.
Tried everything, not sure if it's kernel related.
kevp75 said:
Doesnt work for me, but thats because I dont use it because I am not a teenage girl.
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Cleary from that comment you haven't a clue
Josh.haveman1 said:
I recommend not using TikTok for any reason. Using it turns you into livestock. It's a disturbing app which, even since it was Musical.ly, has existed for the main purpose of monetizing underage girls.
Even if that's not what you follow, that's the base of the platform. The platform is mainly used by minors, and all of the trends are created by minors. The app serves to sexualize young girls, it rewards them for promiscuity. It devalues their beauty because they show it all for their anonymous, likely adult followers. It's basically a big anonymous grooming movement.
If you ignore this truth of the platform, it's still just taking your EXTREMELY valuable attention, and wasting it, to give time to collect and sell your valuable user data. It's highly likely that data is being illegally accessed.
Shorts are bad for your mind. They are bad for your attention. They teach you to have ADHD. We should only absorb media in long format. TikTok is making ignorant experts in every arena. It is not good for anyone. The fact that the app is psychological terrorism combined with the fact that they are collecting unprecedented amounts of user data should be more than enough to convince any adult to avoid the platform like the plague. Or you can wonder why you can't stare at nothing for hours on end. Whatever you want to look at on TikTok, read about it. If it's girls, give up on that. Lose that which distracts you.
Edit, Call me a conspiracy theorist: musical.ly was dying before Chinese corporations connected to the CCP pumped billions into it. I'm 90% sure that TikTok is a psyop (psychological operation) to spread "tics". It's pretty blatant, all of this. It serves to weaken our men, divide our people, and enable the eventual invasion of the US mainland. For this reason, I will never give into the general weakness I sense within society. I will continue the tradition of manhood at all cost. I'm 24 btw, I was 12 when Instagram was created. I'm not just an old doubter. Social media is detrimental to everything if it's designed to cause addiction.
Edit 2: I understand this in absolutely no way answers what you asked, and I completely pontificated my opinions. For this I apologize. I feel that this information is essential to save our society before it collapses. Some evil dictators want power at all cost, they will sacrifice billions of humans. I will preserve the natural order at all cost, no weak dictator shall dictate over us. Abundance is our right, nature provides infinite abundance. Scarcity is artificial. Do not be controlled by anything but your own mind and heart.
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this mf really gave us a paragraph about tiktok LMAO (no pun intended, love the effort my amn)
AntoTheMenLover1337 said:
this mf really gave us a paragraph about tiktok LMAO (no pun intended, love the effort my amn)
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Amn? That's out near Baldur's Gate right?
skimminstones said:
Cleary from that comment you haven't a clue
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Clearly...