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Desire 2.1/2.2?

Alright. I have been looking over some of the supposed fixes and features that are to come with 2.2. The thing is though, I have noticed that these things are already available on the Desire. Increased Ram, Flash 10.1, and a few other things. I know the Desire is running 2.1... but why does it seem to have the features 2.2 is said to bring? Has anyone else noticed this or found it a bit odd?

Whiterin said:
Alright. I have been looking over some of the supposed fixes and features that are to come with 2.2. The thing is though, I have noticed that these things are already available on the Desire. Increased Ram, Flash 10.1, and a few other things. I know the Desire is running 2.1... but why does it seem to have the features 2.2 is said to bring? Has anyone else noticed this or found it a bit odd?
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the desire doesn't have very good flash implementation 10.1 is suppose to bring flawless flash which could possibly be GPU accelerated at the moment. at the moment flash on the desire and legend is flash lite and is 100% software based (ie no acceleration)
more ram i assume means more available as in 2.2 has a smaller memory imprint add that and JIT compiler and we are in for a big performance boost on all current 2.1 devices (provided an update is supplied)

the desire doesn't have flash 10.1, it has flash lite.

What I am talking about with the Ram is that supposedly when 2.2 comes out, the phones that currently have 512mb of Ram will have 576, the same as the Desire has. The Desire also has FM radio, and some other things 2.2 is meant to bring. That's why I thought maybe there were some 2.2 features on the Desire now. Since the Desire already has some of these features, what will 2.2 mean for it? Does the Desire have the extra ram because of the kernal/rom it uses, or because it physically has the extra Ram? If it physically has the extra, does that mean 2.2 will increase the Ram on the Desire as well?

noobdeagle said:
the desire doesn't have very good flash implementation 10.1 is suppose to bring flawless flash which could possibly be GPU accelerated at the moment. at the moment flash on the desire and legend is flash lite and is 100% software based (ie no acceleration)
more ram i assume means more available as in 2.2 has a smaller memory imprint add that and JIT compiler and we are in for a big performance boost on all current 2.1 devices (provided an update is supplied)
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If not supplied, we will hack it

Say a phone running 2.1 , has 512mb of ram, not all of that ram is available as say 200mb is used by android 2.1,
the 2.2 basically means instead of using the 200mb that 2.1 uses, it will use 150mb, therefore freeing up 50mb of ram.

2.2 is also ment to have JIT (just in time), apparently apps will be 3x faster and use less battery

i hope that htc release their sense quite soon after the froyo is out cause i LOVE it. i wonder why some people are trying to vanish it off their phones. i didn't find something that the stock android can do better than the sense does. anyway i just hope froyo to be ported to desire soon!!!

Phil750123 said:
Say a phone running 2.1 , has 512mb of ram, not all of that ram is available as say 200mb is used by android 2.1,
the 2.2 basically means instead of using the 200mb that 2.1 uses, it will use 150mb, therefore freeing up 50mb of ram.
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I get that much, but I find it odd that the Desire has 576 while all the other new phone have 512, and with 2.2 the other phones are supposed to have the same amount of Ram as the Desire. Don't most of the new HTC phones have basically the same hardware and Android version? What it is about the Desire that makes it have more Ram then the other phones, and when 2.2 comes out, will the Desire also get a boost in Ram, or will it stay at 576?
Also, I may sound a little out of the loop here, but what exactly is JIT meant to do?
As for Sense UI. I really like some of the HTC Widgets, but I was looking forward to the new Drawer feature in 2.1 as well as the unlock screen... I love the Desire, and I am slowly getting used to the Launch bar at the bottom... but the lock screen on the Desire is awefull. I would really have preferred the normal 2.1 unlock screen. I know you can root it and change it, but I would rather not root my phone. I also know you can download Helix or whatever it is called and have the Drawer launcher, but my HTC Widgets don't work with it and Sense is still open in the background using up Ram.

Whiterin said:
I get that much, but I find it odd that the Desire has 576 while all the other new phone have 512, and with 2.2 the other phones are supposed to have the same amount of Ram as the Desire. Don't most of the new HTC phones have basically the same hardware and Android version? What it is about the Desire that makes it have more Ram then the other phones, and when 2.2 comes out, will the Desire also get a boost in Ram, or will it stay at 576?
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I think you're getting a little bit confused here. RAM is the physical amount of memory the device has. The desire has 576MB on a chip. The Nexus One, for example, has 512MB, also on a chip.
No software update is going to change that. The only thing the software update can do is to make the RAM usage more efficient, meaning the device will have more available RAM, as mentioned above.
But they'll still have the exact same amount of total RAM as they did before the update.

tuatha said:
I think you're getting a little bit confused here. RAM is the physical amount of memory the device has. The desire has 576MB on a chip. The Nexus One, for example, has 512MB, also on a chip.
No software update is going to change that. The only thing the software update can do is to make the RAM usage more efficient, meaning the device will have more available RAM, as mentioned above.
But they'll still have the exact same amount of total RAM as they did before the update.
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I know how Ram works. I am asking why is the amount of Ram on the Desire currently higher then other new phones. I mean the actual ram allotted and usable. Does the Desire physically have more Ram, or is there something about the Rom or Kernal version that is letting it have more usable memory? Seems like you're saying the actual physical RAM is higher. Which still leaves the question of whether or not the Desire will have more usable memory when 2.2 hits. From reading around on the internet, 2.2 is supposed to up the usable memory on some of the newer devices (Nexus One and possibly Incredible) because it is based off of a newer Kernal. So if the Desire has more physical memory then the other devices, and the new Kernal is able to free up more of it to be usable... it would be logical to assume that the Desire will get an increase of the usable memory. If there is something about the current Rom or Kernal on the Desire that allows for more usable memory, but it has the same amount of memory as say, the Nexus one... then they should be even when 2.2 hits. Which one of those will happen is what I am wondering if anyone knows.

Yes, it physically has more RAM than the Nexus One. A total of 576MB of physical RAM. So yes, it should logically follow that it will also have more available RAM after the update (provided both are running identical software versions).
But in all honesty, we don't even have a confirmed feature list for FroYo yet. It's 90% guess-work right now (albeit educated guesses).
Plus we don't know what HTC's updated Sense will be like or how much RAM it will require. It's completely impossible to answer that with any certainty.

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Yes, it physically has more RAM than the Nexus One. A total of 576MB of physical RAM. So yes, it should logically follow that it will also have more available RAM after the update (provided both are running identical software versions).
But in all honesty, we don't even have a confirmed feature list for FroYo yet. It's 90% guess-work right now (albeit educated guesses).
Plus we don't know what HTC's updated Sense will be like or how much RAM it will require. It's completely impossible to answer that with any certainty.
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Yeah, I have just seen a few places saying the Nexus One as well as other phones that currently have 512 RAM should have 576 available in 2.2. Like you said though, most of it is guess work, so hard to tell how accurate that is. Hopefully in 2.2 they will let you change the launch bar and the drawer to the 3D scrolling one. Also hope they change the lock screen. Anyways, thanks for the replies everyone.

Whiterin said:
Yeah, I have just seen a few places saying the Nexus One as well as other phones that currently have 512 RAM should have 576 available in 2.2. Like you said though, most of it is guess work, so hard to tell how accurate that is. Hopefully in 2.2 they will let you change the launch bar and the drawer to the 3D scrolling one. Also hope they change the lock screen. Anyways, thanks for the replies everyone.
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I don't see how that's possible re: upping the N1's memory. Unless it already has 576MB of physical RAM, only 512MB of which is active. Which seems incredibly unlikely.
Unless somebody knows differently, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that whoever said that was either misinformed or a liar
I'm no expert though, so I could be wrong.

Whiterin said:
Yeah, I have just seen a few places saying the Nexus One as well as other phones that currently have 512 RAM should have 576 available in 2.2. Like you said though, most of it is guess work, so hard to tell how accurate that is. Hopefully in 2.2 they will let you change the launch bar and the drawer to the 3D scrolling one. Also hope they change the lock screen. Anyways, thanks for the replies everyone.
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That's impossible. The Nexus One was released with 512MB and no update will increase that amount.

Hmm, perhaps it was a mistake from whoever wrote the article then.

is there a possibility that the nexus 1 does have a 576 chip in it? I understand on the spec sheet it says 512mb, but seeing how the desire and nexus are the same device packaged differently, it wouldn't surprise me if there is an extra 64mb of RAM not currently being used.
It would be great for some one who really knows to actually confirm that the nexus really only has 512mb inside.

Why would it not have 64mb less? It's not like the Desire has an actual extra mic. And it has an optical trackpad. There are differences, just like the RAM.
And most importantly, why wouldn't the specs say it has 64mb extra. And why not use those 64mb extra? It seems to me it would be quite stupid not to mention ánd use it when it's actually in the device.

Ramedge said:
is there a possibility that the nexus 1 does have a 576 chip in it? I understand on the spec sheet it says 512mb, but seeing how the desire and nexus are the same device packaged differently, it wouldn't surprise me if there is an extra 64mb of RAM not currently being used.
It would be great for some one who really knows to actually confirm that the nexus really only has 512mb inside.
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No it definitley only has 512MB of ram, why wouldn't they enable the extra 64MB? They are similar devices but by no means the exact same.

Why would it not have 64mb less? It's not like the Desire has an actual extra mic. And it has an optical trackpad. There are differences, just like the RAM.
And most importantly, why wouldn't the specs say it has 64mb extra. And why not use those 64mb extra? It seems to me it would be quite stupid not to mention ánd use it when it's actually in the device.
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Well Google/HTC are stupid then aren't they. they didn't mention the nexus ones FM radio capability, HTC forgot to mention the Desires wireless N radio. from a production point of view its easier to keep the PCBs the same with the same chips, peripherals like track pads and microphones are easy to add/remove.
it honestly wouldn't surprise me, from experience. this is why I want some one to really confirm this.

V6 Supercharger

I am an Eris user, soon to be DINC2 owner at the end of this week. I've been reading through the threads here getting ready for my purchase and it has been very informative.
I searched the DINC2 forums and did not see this mentioned. Has anyone tried zepplinrox' V6 Supercharger script on the DINC2? I'm not going to regurgitate his post verbatim, but it is a memory optimizer. It was introduced to me over on the Eris forums, in the GSB ROM thread. It really makes a difference on the Eris, but I'm not sure how much difference it would make on the DINC2.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=991276
He also has another script called 3G Turbocharger. This will probably make a difference on the DINC2. According to zepplinrox, "the 3g script reconfigures the build.prob and kernel to change the speed settings to a better enhanced setting. Think of it like a TCP optimizer on windows." On my phone I have noticed an increase in speed surfing the web, downloading apps and in other 3g activities. It may be placebo, but it does seem faster. If nothing else, I do plan to add this to my DINC2 when I get it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=15948434#post15948434
There is also a Kernel Tweaks script on the above link as well. I am using it too, but not sure what performance gains I am getting.
Per zepplinrox' post, this should work on stock and rooted ROMS.
I am by no means an expert on this, so don't shoot me if this is in the wrong forum, not valid on the DINC2, or a repost. Just trying to pass along something that works well for me.

For now those scripts are useless for phone that came preloaded with GB 2.3.3.....no root no turbo.

This sounds interesting to me, I am rooted, would it work?
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This wouldn't really benefit the Inc2. The Eris was a very memory limited device designed to run Android 1.5. Upgrading beyond this was pushing the Eris to its limits, and in some cases, beyond. Running newer versions of Android would make memory management more difficult because of the higher memory requirements and the very limited memory.
The Inc2 has one of the bigger pools of memory available for Android devices. It has 768mb of total RAM when many current generation devices are getting 512mb (others are either getting 768mb or 1gb). Unless you are running a LOT of background apps, or somehow managed to find apps that require massive amounts of memory, this is plenty of room.
What does it do? It tunes memory settings and task manager. That's pretty much it. It could have an effect on the Inc2, but I wouldn't really consider it a necessity.
Edit: BTW, my previous device was an Eris.

Well, Desire HD users with 768mb of ram enjoy improvements.
It even improves performance of an Atrix with 1gb or ram...
So it probably will help.
So "It tunes memory settings and task manager" is an understatement.
It revamps the whole memory thing

ben805 said:
For now those scripts are useless for phone that came preloaded with GB 2.3.3.....no root no turbo.
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Actually, I think these will work without root. I think the only drawback without root is the scripts do not stick on boot so you have to re-run on each boot/reboot.

nimdae said:
This wouldn't really benefit the Inc2. The Eris was a very memory limited device designed to run Android 1.5. Upgrading beyond this was pushing the Eris to its limits, and in some cases, beyond. Running newer versions of Android would make memory management more difficult because of the higher memory requirements and the very limited memory.
The Inc2 has one of the bigger pools of memory available for Android devices. It has 768mb of total RAM when many current generation devices are getting 512mb (others are either getting 768mb or 1gb). Unless you are running a LOT of background apps, or somehow managed to find apps that require massive amounts of memory, this is plenty of room.
What does it do? It tunes memory settings and task manager. That's pretty much it. It could have an effect on the Inc2, but I wouldn't really consider it a necessity.
Edit: BTW, my previous device was an Eris.
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It may not, but zepplinrox posted above about the Desire HD with similar RAM and the Atrix with more that reported improvements.
Whether you use the Supercharger script or not, the 3G Turbo is definitely worth trying. Again, it may be placebo, but I think my up/download speeds are faster after the script. Here is a post with some info on speed improvements with the script.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=15959134&postcount=1139

I use the Mega memory option with the v6 script. I notice a huge difference in performance.
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Has anyone tried it on Virtuous Unity?

Stam2000 said:
Has anyone tried it on Virtuous Unity?
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I second this... I am intrigued...
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3g turbocharger didnt increase anything to my 3g speeds.

MJL99 said:
3g turbocharger didnt increase anything to my 3g speeds.
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same here. i've actually tried the v6 superchgarer and saw no improvements. actually, the only thing that happened was my battery life took a hit.

lol, well that's no good.

1GB of ram?

Hi guys
Quick question, i see that specs show the nexus has 1gb of ram.
But my ,"system apps," so it only has 632mb can any one explain?
Thanks

I think that some of the ram is reserved for the gpu. That's why you see less ram.

Just wanted to make sure
Still thou 400mb on gpu?

Tiggerbits said:
Just wanted to make sure
Still thou 400mb on gpu?
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I was in looking at the Rezound and did a hard boot and checked available memory. It only had 250Mb of the 1 G available. The rest must have been taken by Android, Sense and whatever bloat Verizon is loading.

Have a quick look at my screen shot - ( if they work)
I beleive that is should be 1GB of Ram, i understand if some is used for system processes. but 400mb.... far to high i would think.
Any one care to explain?

Some is reserved for the OS to function at all times. Some of it is reserved for the GPU, and radio to use. It is done this way to ensure you have the maximum needed for these to run.
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Some is reserved for the OS to function at all times. Some of it is reserved for the GPU, and radio to use. It is done this way to ensure you have the maximum needed for these to run.
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That makes sense.

Nothing is reserved for the O/S, that uses whatever is available. It's probably for the GPU, same as the Nexus S has 512MB, but only 384MB available due to the GPU being allocated 128MB.

Why can't our phone run HTC sense 3.5 smoothly?

I just can't figure out why our desire z cannot run sense 3.5 smoothly.
Htc sensation XL: 1.5 Ghz, Adreno 205, 768mb RAM
My Desire Z: overclocked 1.5 Ghz, Adreno 205, 512mb RAM and 256mb swap
I'm thinking GPU issue here, the sensation xl can scroll rosie smoothly without needing ultra smooth patch.
Any way to improve gpu performance?
And even after activating swap, the phone doesn't really uses it to its full potential, it only uses up around 10% of the swap partition.
Any ideas to encourage the phone to maximize the use of the swap partition?

There is a lot more to CPU performance than clock frequency. The CPU on the Sensation XL is dual core, and probably a completely different architecture. I fully expect a 1.5 GHz dual core CPU to run circles around the G2/DZ's CPU, regardless of how much you OC it.

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There is a lot more to CPU performance than clock frequency. The CPU on the Sensation XL is dual core, and probably a completely different architecture. I fully expect a 1.5 GHz dual core CPU to run circles around the G2/DZ's CPU, regardless of how much you OC it.
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sensation XL is single core, same as DESIRE HD but higher clock

xT4Z1N4TRx said:
sensation XL is single core, same as DESIRE HD but higher clock
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Still, the G2/DZ is MSM7230, and the XL is MSM8255. Even if single core, its a newer generation and not the same chip. And even so, a overclocked CPU is never going to perform as well as one that is factory clocked to the same GHz.

It is the same generation of processors, the one on the desire z just have a lower clock speed. Even with overclocked 2ghz, I can't get as smooth as sensation xl

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Still, the G2/DZ is MSM7230, and the XL is MSM8255. Even if single core, its a newer generation and not the same chip. And even so, a overclocked CPU is never going to perform as well as one that is factory clocked to the same GHz.
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Actually, if the only difference between two CPUs is the frequency, the overclocked one should out perform the stock one since overclocking boosts data buses as well.

So, in theory, my desire z should be better at running sense 3.5 then htc sensation xl?

sebastianlow said:
So, in theory, my desire z should be better at running sense 3.5 then htc sensation xl?
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No because the Sensation XL has 768MB of RAM....Desire Z has 384MB (Advertised as 512MB but not all is seen by OS)
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Actually, if the only difference between two CPUs is the frequency, the overclocked one should out perform the stock one since overclocking boosts data buses as well.
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Wouldn't that be assuming the CPU on the Sensation XL can't be overclocked at all? Seems like a poor comparison. I'd still bank on the 1.5 GHz factory clocked CPU over an 800 MHz one.

Sense 3.5 does run smooth for me. The only bad thing really is loading apps, and that's cuz of ram
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Wouldn't that be assuming the CPU on the Sensation XL can't be overclocked at all? Seems like a poor comparison. I'd still bank on the 1.5 GHz factory clocked CPU over an 800 MHz one.
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I wasn't talking about the sensetion XL vs Desire Z. Their CPUs have architectural differences beyond the stock frequencies. Even if you overclock the desire Z to 1.5 GHZ, there are other factors like double channel for RAM etc.
Sensetion XL has a more powerful core with more advanced features. This is why clocking our phones to 1.5 is not giving the performance of Sensetion XL.

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Wouldn't that be assuming the CPU on the Sensation XL can't be overclocked at all? Seems like a poor comparison. I'd still bank on the 1.5 GHz factory clocked CPU over an 800 MHz one.
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What u mean not all is seen by OS? I thought the 384mb is usable ram and the others were system resources?
My older desire has 576mb of ram, but shows 404 usable.
And also, doesn't swap give more ram?

Does vm heapsize help with making Rosie smoother? Mine is 48m for now..
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sebastianlow said:
What u mean not all is seen by OS? I thought the 384mb is usable ram and the others were system resources?
My older desire has 576mb of ram, but shows 404 usable.
And also, doesn't swap give more ram?
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Swap do give more ram,but a slow one..since its not from the hardware ram its just virtual ram..I said it slow because Android only use it when the real ram is running out..correct me if I'm wrong, srry for my English XD hope I do help =)
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Steven How said:
Swap do give more ram,but a slow one..since its not from the hardware ram its just virtual ram..I said it slow because Android only use it when the real ram is running out.correct me if I'm wrong, srry for my English XD hope I do help =)
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I use sense 3.5 on the virtuous afinity rom 1.48.1 and ist verry smoothly!
I use also the romcleaner bevor and moved by titanium some other app from my DZ.
Its for me the best combination without a ext3 part on the SD.
Greetings ivi
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Smooth sense 3.5
I run Chef's RCmix 4.0 Energized blue edition as of today with supercharger script set to option 8. Very smooth, much better than stock. Remove some unnecessary apps, play with the Energy setting and you're good to go. No swap needed (at least for now).

+1 for virtuous affinity. Runs smooth from stock but with a few very simple tweaks it is very slick. Start with installing 4ext and partition/format everything as ext4. Then install the rom and enable the swap partition. With a mild OC of 1Ghz I find everything beautifully smooth without needing to use the 'smooth rosie' features in the settings.

Im now running Mik runny
I have All 7 pages full of widgets
120+ apps
supercharger option 7
supercharger 13
lagnullifier
swap
oc 1.5 ondemand
class 4 sd card
LAGGY
(Virtuous affinity is the most laggy for me)
(I can NEVER get a smooth unlock animation, NEVER)

sebastianlow said:
LAGGY
(Virtuous affinity is the most laggy for me)
(I can NEVER get a smooth unlock animation, NEVER)
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I never liked the unlock animation... Got that disabled since I feel like it's a waste of resource and time... The lock animation is ok for me though....

[Q] HTC Desire RAM Question

How come GSM Arena tells that the Desire has 576 mb ram, but, on any rom, it shows only 404 mb?
Is there any way to fix this?
I have seen some post with the hypothesis that a large piece of ram is allocated to the Android system, but I don't think that's true, because I can only achieve max 300 mb free ram, and the rest has to be busy with something...

don't know why it shows reduced either, but it doesnt really need 'fixing'.
assume that software developers generally know more than most of us here...
this might be an interesting read.
my recommendation is not to worry...check how your rom actually feels in day to day use. not how much free or total RAM you have or think you need, or what a benchmark score says...

eddiehk6 said:
don't know why it shows reduced either, but it doesnt really need 'fixing'.
assume that software developers generally know more than most of us here...
this might be an interesting read.
my recommendation is not to worry...check how your rom actually feels in day to day use. not how much free or total RAM you have or think you need, or what a benchmark score says...
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My rom works like a charm (Mildwild Oxygen), buy I was just asking out of curiosity. I know all the ram theory, and how i shouldn't care, but did HTC sell us lies?

DigginGraves said:
My rom works like a charm (Mildwild Oxygen), buy I was just asking out of curiosity. I know all the ram theory, and how i shouldn't care, but did HTC sell us lies?
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They didn't lie.
Actual ram size is less when in use. A bit like how a micro SD is less when formatted.
Plus part is dedicated to the GPU (graphics)
So yeah probably about right
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Graphics make sense... thanks!