Develop Bugs

Is the g2's processor faster than the MT4G's processor?

I just got the G2 and I love it. I came from a vibrant which was lagging and freezing and still had 2.1. Regret buying that phone. But this phone is a beast. My friend got the mytouch thinking it was faster.
I still think the G2 is really fast, but which processor is faster.
If you can explain in detail that'd be great!
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 using XDA App

Don't they have the same processor? Except the g2 is underclocked while the MT4G isn't?
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 using XDA App

nivlac978 said:
Don't they have the same processor? Except the g2 is underclocked while the MT4G isn't?
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
that's what I thought too

Cool stated somewhere in one of his previous OC threads that they were slightly different. Ill leave it at that since explaining is beyond my scope of knowledge.
Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA App

HTC G2 uses the MSM7230 as compared to the HTC MyTouch 4G's MSM8255.
"MSM7x30, MSM8x55 and QSD8x50A - all 3 variations share the same design, differs only by the clock speeds. These 3 variations run at 800MHz, 1.0GHz and 1.3GHz respectively. Each of these features Adreno 205 GPU which runs at significantly higher performance level than Adreno 200 found in the 1st generation Snapdragon processor."
Source: http://smartphonebenchmarks.com/for...-gen-snapdragon-processors-how-fast-are-they/

joackie27 said:
HTC G2 uses the MSM7230 as compared to the HTC MyTouch 4G's MSM8255.
"MSM7x30, MSM8x55 and QSD8x50A - all 3 variations share the same design, differs only by the clock speeds. These 3 variations run at 800MHz, 1.0GHz and 1.3GHz respectively. Each of these features Adreno 205 GPU which runs at significantly higher performance level than Adreno 200 found in the 1st generation Snapdragon processor."
Source: http://smartphonebenchmarks.com/for...-gen-snapdragon-processors-how-fast-are-they/
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
More than likely this means that the silicon on each device is QC'd to a different tolerance. IE the minimum possible speed. As everyone knows each silicon chip has a range and it will meet a minimum clock speed stable. It has been shown that most G2's can be OC'd to 1.4 ish. We don't have kernel source yet for the Glacier. When we do we will see if it is better or the same.

The MT4G also has more RAM. 768MB vs G2's 512MB.

Superfrag said:
The MT4G also has more RAM. 768MB vs G2's 512MB.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
So what you're saying is... The MT4G is faster than the G2?

jjuice525 said:
So what you're saying is... The MT4G is faster than the G2?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
More RAM doesn't directly translate to more speed.

More RAM very nearly directly translates to more speed for 99% of usage time because there are less reads from flash memory. I don't know how noticable it would be though. Certainly not the marked improvement seen on PCs with normal hard drives.

yes but the sense ui takes more cpu/ram to run smoothly. atleast in theory. plus the mytouch hasnt been oc'd yet so we will see.

Anomaly said:
More RAM very nearly directly translates to more speed for 99% of usage time because there are less reads from flash memory. I don't know how noticable it would be though. Certainly not the marked improvement seen on PCs with normal hard drives.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You are wrong.
The more RAM means you can load more stuff in RAM. Example in PC, You can open more Internet Explorer window.
But the speed is the same. Example.. we kill all background apps and both G2 (1ghz) and MT4G(1Ghz) will just run quadrant alone.. they should perform the same since the speed of their RAM are equal regardless of the amount.. example 512 vs 768.
The MT4G needs more RAM because the Sense UI is composed of useless bloatwares.

Na, MT4G won't run faster, but it'll be able to run more stuff at the same time.. like people above have explained.
But I really don't think we need that much RAM, currently.

Superfrag said:
Na, MT4G won't run faster, but it'll be able to run more stuff at the same time.. like people above have explained.
But I really don't think we need that much RAM, currently.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
true. but honestly, the only moment where you might be able to notice a slight speed difference is with numerous, and i mean a hell of a lot, of apps open in the background without killing them

How fast can the desire go ???

The hd2 can go up to 1.5ghz I know so why can't the desire, you may ask 'why does it need to get faster its fast anyway ' well that's because I want to see how far it can go. ages ago our kernels were going up to 1.3ghz and surprisingly it was stable for me. Any answers
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

DHD has a different processor

What? He is not even mentioning Desire HD, only HD2, which has an identical chip.

My fault, swear it said DHD!

EddyOS said:
My fault, swear it said DHD!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
lol shouldve went to specsavers

Lol yeah , but seriously any idea
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

No cpu is the same, even if its the same model, one person may be able to oc theres to 1.5 ghz. where as another may be only able to oc theres to 1.1 ghz. someone on another forum oc'd there droid x to 2.5ghz lol
Sent from my Desire HD using Tapatalk

AndroHero said:
No cpu is the same, even if its the same model, one person may be able to oc theres to 1.5 ghz. where as another may be only able to oc theres to 1.1 ghz. someone on another forum oc'd there droid x to 2.5ghz lol
Sent from my Desire HD using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This is very true not only that there is the stresses that your ROM and apps are taking on the CPU some will be OC'd to be extremely fast but never actually use that amount of CPU speed so will always be stable however some users will take theirs to the limit and will only remain stable at much less CPU speed.
It's pretty much the same with all processors but who really wants to fry their processor just checking how fast they can make it run. If 1.3Ghz is stable for you then that's all good bump it up yourself once your cpu burns out you know it can't go that fast

warlordxxx said:
This is very true not only that there is the stresses that your ROM and apps are taking on the CPU some will be OC'd to be extremely fast but never actually use that amount of CPU speed so will always be stable however some users will take theirs to the limit and will only remain stable at much less CPU speed.
It's pretty much the same with all processors but who really wants to fry their processor just checking how fast they can make it run. If 1.3Ghz is stable for you then that's all good bump it up yourself once your cpu burns out you know it can't go that fast
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
+1 and if the op really wants to try it, why not throw a donation at a dev, get him to compile you a kernel that can be oc'd that much
Sent from my Desire HD using Tapatalk

998Mhz does me just fine on my Desire. I used to run 1.51Ghz on my DHD but all I got from it was an awesome Quadrant score and a piss poor battery life. For day to day use I really don't notice the difference from 998Mhz to 1190Mhz with a HAVS/BFS kernel on my Desire.

my amoled went up to 1300 and my wife slcd wont go over 1030(i menan it will but any stronger activity will crash it)

2.5ghz overclocked with a droid x?
how good was the battery life on that?

I think 998 MHZ is enough for my Desire. 1.5 GHZ is nothing to me.

[Q] Have Anyone Use V6 SuperCharger with One V? Feedback?

just wondering
has anyone triend v6 supercharger with our One V
is it good?

No good at 512 mb ram. That script is good only for phones that have small amount of ram, like 256 mb. The good thing is, if you are an advanced user, you can change the way that android's internal task killer handles the apps. The internal task killer has 6 slots, and you can configure those to suits your need. In slot 1 you will find the Sense, or the launcher (nova launcher, go launcher etc) and in slot 6, you will find the 'ghost' app, that doesn't do anything at that moment.
The config, is like this: set the launcher app (slot 1) to be killed if your device remains with less than let's say 1 mb memory left (unlikely) and set the 'ghost' app (slot 6) to be killed when your phone remains with less than 36 mb (most likely).
And slot 2,3,4,5 are ascending..

hmm... so it's not completely good for one v
thanks for the heads-up

spiderio said:
hmm... so it's not completely good for one v
thanks for the heads-up
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well, short: it is no good. All you need is a good rom with no sense (sense is using a lot of memory).

lol
Why is it so popular with Galaxy Nexus users or HTC One X users or SGSII users?
http://androidspin.com/2011/11/02/v6-supercharger-the-android-memory-fixer/

zeppelinrox said:
lol
Why is it so popular with Galaxy Nexus users or HTC One X users or SGSII users?
http://androidspin.com/2011/11/02/v6-supercharger-the-android-memory-fixer/
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I was using that one my Desire with sense 3.5 ROMs. The Desire has similiar hardware processor and RAM wise to the One V (older generation though, the One V compares closer to the Desire S / Incredible 2).
Should work on the One V.
Sent from my GT-P7510 using Tapatalk 2

No one said that it will not work. It works on every phone that has android on it, no matter how old or new it is.

1ceb0x said:
No one said that it will not work. It works on every phone that has android on it, no matter how old or new it is.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
My point is the desire has similiar specs (1ghz processor, 576mb RAM), so it should work well, you said it would be of no use.
Sent from my GT-P7510 using Tapatalk 2

jmitr said:
My point is the desire has similiar specs (1ghz processor, 576mb RAM), so it should work well, you said it would be of no use.
Sent from my GT-P7510 using Tapatalk 2
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
so you are saying it will work well on our one V?

jmitr said:
My point is the desire has similiar specs (1ghz processor, 576mb RAM), so it should work well, you said it would be of no use.
Sent from my GT-P7510 using Tapatalk 2
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The thing is that supercharger changes the way the system manages ram a.k.a internal task killer. It also arranges app slots.
No one said that it will not work. We have ICS, the best rom in memory management. We have constantly 100mb free. It is enough, no lag, no nothing.
I agree that Supercharger is a great script, and it works wonders on lower phones (such as my Htc Hero) but with ICS and 512 mb ram, my opinion is that, although it will work, it MAYBE not improve things...

1ceb0x said:
The thing is that supercharger changes the way the system manages ram a.k.a internal task killer. It also arranges app slots.
No one said that it will not work. We have ICS, the best rom in memory management. We have constantly 100mb free. It is enough, no lag, no nothing.
I agree that Supercharger is a great script, and it works wonders on lower phones (such as my Htc Hero) but with ICS and 512 mb ram, my opinion is that, although it will work, it MAYBE not improve things...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
thanks for the heads up this clear everything
:good::good::good::good:

spiderio said:
thanks for the heads up this clear everything
:good::good::good::good:
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
No problem dude. You can try it if you want because it is easy to do and undo the script You will maybe feel like it moves faster with it, especially on sense.

[Q] Phone stucks at 768 clock speed

I got a little problem:
I can overclock my wildfire to only 710 Mhz if i overclock it to 768 the phone stucks and i can't do anything.
At the moment I'm using Cyanogenmod 9 but i think it isn't because of the ROM 'cause in Rempuzzle ROM i had this bug too.
Should i flash another Kernel or what should i do?

As far as I know, it's a hardware limitation.
It depends on the processor, some processors have high tolerance to overclocking, some don't.
In another words, some processors can handle high speeds. The defualt speed is actually 512-ish so when you increase to 768, it just can't handle the speed so the phone freezes/reboots.
Some wildfires can handle those speeds, luckily mine does
That doesn't mean you have bad or faulty hardware. The processor just can't handle it
Correct me if I'm wrong .
Sent from my HTC Wildfire using Tapatalk 2

I think from my new experience it might be a bit of a combo between the actual chip and the kernel settings, on my s2 with 1 kernel I can only oc to 1300 with both cores on but with another (my favorite one anyway) I can hit 1500 both cores on.
I still think the actual processor has more input than the kernel though, and all the extra strain from not having a gpu can't help either.
EDIT: I'm not saying flashing a new kernel will help you reach 768 though , the lack of resources elsewhere is a huge hinderence to the wildfire.
Sent from my GT-I9100 using xda premium

overclock 1.6ghz

anyone got this overclocked

mox123 said:
anyone got this overclocked
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
And instantly overheated? :cyclops:

Yes .
Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2

Gpu overclock would be more useful than CPU.
Sent from my HTC One X using xda app-developers app

treebill said:
Gpu overclock would be more useful than CPU.
Sent from my HTC One X using xda app-developers app
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
ok gpu overclock then?

I would overclock my HOX...in a block of ice. Or...well, in real life i dont want to overclock it because it would smoke out in my hand
Overheating is a big problem even without overclocking, imagine it running on 1,6ghz...
Sent from my Renovated HTC One X using Tapatalk 2

Can't really see why you would want to overclock the One X, the phone is blazing fast anyway, 4 cores at 1.5 is enough..
But like everybody else said, the phone would probably burn up..

I wouldnt overclock my device - at least not at the stage we reached now.
Why?
a) As long as there is no way to lower the voltage this might toast your device - its a unibody, keep that in mind!
b) 100 MHZ more would have literally no effect - its a 6 GHZ device, even if you boost it up to 6,4 - you wont notice, it will just drain your battery.
6 GHZ is WAY enough...this is smartphone...I mean...seriously...its got more power than my 4 years old 1K €uro notebook...

Illux said:
I wouldnt overclock my device - at least not at the stage we reached now.
Why?
a) As long as there is no way to lower the voltage this might toast your device - its a unibody, keep that in mind!
b) 100 MHZ more would have literally no effect - its a 6 GHZ device, even if you boost it up to 6,4 - you wont notice, it will just drain your battery.
6 GHZ is WAY enough...this is smartphone...I mean...seriously...its got more power than my 4 years old 1K €uro notebook...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
well first of all you can't just multiply the frequency by the number of cores. I'd much prefer an actual 6Ghz single core processor over 4x1.5Ghz because it won't have any compatibility and efficiency issues. Assuming they are of the same architecture and power usage of course.
Also the ARM low power SOCs probably don't have comparable number of commands per clock cycle as an x86 high performance CPU, even if it's 4 years old.

jacobgong said:
well first of all you can't just multiply the frequency by the number of cores. I'd much prefer an actual 6Ghz single core processor over 4x1.5Ghz because it won't have any compatibility and efficiency issues. Assuming they are of the same architecture and power usage of course.
Also the ARM low power SOCs probably don't have comparable number of commands per clock cycle as an x86 high performance CPU, even if it's 4 years old.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
i agree.. when the multi-core CPUs first came out intel said doubling the core number would give as 47% boost in total performance (not x2 like apple says as they do not know it) lets assume that to be %50 to make the math a little bit easier..
so basically we can make the math here as; 4 cores at 1.2Ghz (when the all 4 active the clock is 1.2Ghz) gives us 1.2 x 3/2 x 3/2= 2.7 Ghz single core performance.. this value for SGS3 is; 1.4 x 3/2 x 3/2= 3.15Ghz
and here we can say dual core at (X) Ghz gives us (X) x 3/2=2.7 thus the (X) = 1.8 Ghz.. so, if you overclock any arm9 based Dual CPU to 1.8 Ghz you get the same performance "on paper".. if you want to catch up with SGS3 we need to OC it to 2.1 Ghz which is impossible at the moment i guess..
what makes the difference here is the lower loads or multiple loads on the CPU.. corecontrol users probably would have noticed; sometimes when the all 4 core are active the clock is only 480 or 640 Mhz (even 320 sometimes if i remember correctly) .. the same amount of load could be taken care of by a dual core at about 720 or 960Mhz.. but here the quad core system stays cooler with a little less energy consumed (or wasted) (as long as all the cores are in one uni-body structure, putting 2 or 4 single cores phsically together is not the case for our smartphones) this is how apple made sure about the smoothness of the ipad 2, new ipad and the iphone 4s.. they used lower clocked 2 power vr 543 GPUs.. when the load is little they can clock down to very low speeds and share the load..
and also you can always find an emtpy core waiting for new task when the others are busy..
so, long story for short; if we were dealing with a little amount but hard processes, having a single core at 2.7Ghz would be good since the quad core design would not cut one task into 4 pieces... as long as we were not thinking about the battery life and the heat.. but since we are dealing with lots of tasks which all could be handled by 1.2Ghz power having 4 cores is better for battery saving and having an empty core for a new task to run parallel with the other running tasks in the background..

It is OC out of the box I think Nvidia OC them for us and it's already pushing itself at the very edge of what is possible for it to do based on temperature, I seem to remember Hamdir saying something along those lines once upon a time...
Why bother to OC it's fast enough as it is.
---EDIT---
hamdir said:
only faux kernel betas allow OC
big warning OC is bad for the HOX given the thermal envelope
you are risking both you battery and processor if you OC
i know you are used to OC from other devices but those had headroom, it is not the case this time, T3 is operating at its max thermal capabilities on the HOX
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
hamdir said:
the snapdragon 2 on the Arc had a lot of headroom
the chipset is rated @ 1.5ghz stable!
not the case with T3 its milking the very maximum of the 40nm process
in other words Nvidia is OCing its T3 out of box because their chips are designed to survive massive amount of heat (sadly it doesnt mean the battery or other components would survive)
it is already Overclocked lol
sometimes you have to listen to the "science" of it and surrender
Click to expand...
Click to collapse